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Dave Riker's
Speed Seduction®
Language and
Conversation Course
Workbook
Speed Seduction is a registered trademark of Ross Jeffries, used with permission.
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Dave Riker's Speed Seduction Language and Conversation Course
Table of Contents
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Title Page i
Legal Notices ii
Table of Contents iii
Product Content vi
Product Protection and User Consent vi
Formatting and Conventions vii
Acknowledgements ix
Forward x
Registration xii
Important Note About Exercises and Assignments xii
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4.5.3 The Model With More Advanced Strategy and Tactics In Place.... 94 D8-T52
4.6 Conversational Fractionation 96 D9-T1
4.6.1 The 1-Shot Beeline Fallacy 96 D9-T2
4.6.2 How Fractionation Works 97 D9-T3
4.6.3 Using Conversational Fractionation 97 D9-T5
4.6.4 Dead Ends Come Back To Life! 98 D9-T6
4.7 Conversational Overview and Review 99 D9-T7
4.7.1 Conversational Management Approach 99 D9-T8
4.7.2 What If The Outcome Is Not What You Expected? 99 D9-T9
4.7.3 Summary 99 D9-T10
APPENDICES
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A majority of the workbook is presented in an "outline" form. Although there are paragraphs of explanatory text,
these are in most cases presented as a way to augment the content of the audio presentation. The written text is
NOT a transcript. The audio is NOT an exact duplicate of the text shown in the workbook. The relationship
between these two can be best described by considering the workbook text to be (for the most part) an "outline" of
what is presented in the audio.
The graphics in the latter sections are significant in that they are an essential part of the understanding and
leaning, and their use is key to many students' understanding of the concepts presented.
There are certain conventions used in the formatting of the workbook. However these conventions are guidelines;
there may be instances when the conventions are not used for the sake of emphasis, or clarity.
Typefaces - A majority of the workbook content is shown in this typeface (Times New Roman, a "serif
typeface). This shows information that could be considered part of an overall "outline" of what the audio
presentation contains.
Text within graphics, graphic titles, graphic captions, and the Formulas, Exercises, and Assignments are all
shown using this typeface (Arial, a "sans-serif typeface).
Boldface Text - Boldface Text is used to emphasize certain text or passages. It is also used for subject headings
so that these stand out and apart from the normal text.
Italicized Text - Italicized Text is used for emphasis in many cases where boldface text may by nearby, and the
italics are simply used as a way to show a different manner of emphasis. Italics are also used to point the reader
towards specific content of the audio CDs, i.e. Listen to the audio where an example is presented.
Not every track number is listed. Since the work book is an "outline" and not a transcript, there is not an exact
place in the book that correlates to the start of each and every track on the audio CDs. Therefore most of the
track references are shown at the start of major sections, or major points in the workbook.
Graphics are used in the workbook as well. Usually the graphic is shown on the page immediately following
where that graphic is first mentioned in the text. If the graphic cannot fit there (due to page breaks) then the
graphic is placed on the next available page.
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Each graphic has a number and a title of some type. The number is in the format of "XYZ-A" where "XYZ" denotes
the number of the section where the graphic is placed, and the "A" indicates the number of the graphic within a
section itself (i.e. - 1 , -2, -3) to account for multiple graphics in one section of text. This is shown below.
Candidate
Topics
Text Boxes - Text boxes are used for very specific purposes in the workbook.
Formula, Exercises, and Assignments are shown inside boxes such as this.
A Formula is a way to present a concise explanation of some item, fact, or technique. Each Formula is presented
in its own "text box" as shown here.
Exercises are a series of instructions that call upon the reader to do or perform certain actions. Most exercises
can be done alone.
Assignments also call for action on the part of the reader. Assignments usually requier the reader to go out and
interact with other person(s) in order to perform them correctly.
Although the difference between Exercises and Assignments is maintained through most of the workbook, there
are instances where the definitions may be clouded to some degree. For example, an Exercise may require
interaction with other people, or maybe and Assignment can be done alone by the student.
Page Breaks - The workbook is laid out to minimize the amount of blank space where reasonably possible. This
may require that a graphic be placed on the next page after where it is first mentioned (instead of being directly
below where the graphic is first mentioned in the text). This also may result in some page breaks being in places
which are not optimal, but that is a necessity due to the complexity of the book. Similarly, there are cases where
text boxes may actually "break" across two pages. Although this is not optimal, it is required in order for the "flow"
of the book content to remain consistent.
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Acknowledgements
The first and foremost acknowledgement goes out to Ross Jeffries himself, the creator of Speed Seduction .
Ross's developments have lead not only to helping many men with this part of their lives, but have also shown
many the way to a new way of living, opening the door for many into the world of self improvement.
To Dr. Yates Canipe, who was the business genius that brought Speed Seduction® to the masses through
seminars and products, and who has also contributed greatly to helping men change their minds about
themselves, and what is possible in their lives.
To the many experts out there who have augmented the SS teachings by showing me other aspects of the mind,
and have opened the door for me to find many ways of self-improvement and understanding, most notably
Hypnotica, EVS, SP, MC, and MD.
To those in the original SD Lair group, who helped me by allowing me to help them, and for the assistance they
provided with this product.
To my coaching clients, who have placed their trust in me and allowed me the experience of showing them new
and wonderful possibilities for what their lives may have to offer. Working with these clients was especially
instrumental in formulating and perfecting the concepts and teaching methods used in this product.
Special thanks to my friends, colleagues, confidants, associates, mentors, teachers, and students (we are each
all of these and more) in the TAGR Group, JL, DM, SM.
/ must apologize to some degree for the time it has taken to finish this product. The main reason is that I do not
wish to release any product until I believe that I am able to provide the level of quality,insight and teaching that I
think is possible. I may miss a few sales because of such a delay, and this wait may have annoyed a few people,
but I sincerely hope that the results will prove to have made the wait worthwhile.
... and to all of the Students out there who I have met at Speed Seduction® seminars, those who have read what
I have written, and those who have entrusted me to teach you and to guide you, and to help you in finding the
Women or Woman of Your Dreams.
To all of you,
Thank you,
Dave Riker
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Forward
One of the most wonderful things about life is the idea of connecting with others, spending time with them, and
sharing experiences with them. Whether that be as friends or acquaintances, whether this time has any sort of
romantic or seductive component or not, some of the most wonderful moments of life are brought about by
people, having and sharing experiences with, other people.
One of the biggest tragedies of life is that there are things, teachings, information, (and more importantly a LACK
of information in some cases) that can prevent such connections and moments from happening.
Sadly this is most apparent when it comes to men. Many men through no fault of their own have grown up to be
adults and have had little instruction or assistance in a very important area of their lives; the idea of simply
communicating with and sharing experiences with the other half of the human population; women.
This is so sad, and in many cases the efforts of men to solve this problem on their own have been met by small-
minded criticism and slander. As if the interesting, good-natured and well-intentioned man, who was simply
deprived of an means to "learn about" how to meet and talk with women, should somehow not improve himself,
and set forth upon a path to improve this area of his life.
I think that many men, the best men, are the ones that really DO look at this area of their lives, and decide to
move forward, take action, learn, and grow, so that they really may share wonderful experiences of ALL types
with women, or with that special woman of which they have always dreamed.
I know of many women who are always distraught that they seem to not be able to meet good men. Good,
interesting, intelligent, charming men, for some reason seem to be in short supply. And it's a shame for these
women to be wanting for their company.
Such men, in fact, are NOT in short supply. There are many such men out there.
They are the ones that really don't know how to introduce themselves, or don't know how to present themselves
in the best way. They don't know how to keep a woman's interest. They just have not been taught such things.
So, there are a lot of great men out there who would like to meet interesting women.
And, there are a lot of wonderful women out there who would love to meet interesting men.
It's for these men, and for those women, that I create products such as this.
Whether a man decides to use this information as way to embark upon a period of his life which involves casual
romantic interludes, or whether a man uses this information as a means to improve his chances of finding one
special woman, is up to him. At least then he will be in a position of choice. He will be able to decide for himself
which he feels is the best option for him.
The women of the world will be better off in their own way, as well. A woman should never "settle", or
"compromise"; she should decide to be with whom she wants to be with by having opportunities, and options, to
make an informed choice. Having many interesting men available, and introducing themselves, and showing
themselves in the best and most honest light, helps to provide these women with an even better choice. From that
position, most women will be far better off and have much better chances with the kind of men, or the kind of man,
that they will want to spend time with as well.
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So, even though this product is intended to be read, understood, and applied by men, the benefits are meant to
be for both men and women alike.
So in my own way, my goal and my hope is that this product will make men, and women, somewhat happier and
able to enjoy their lives even more than before.
So guys ... read. Learn. Study. Apply, Have fun. Get out there. And good luck in finding The Women, or Woman,
of your dreams.
Dave Riker
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Welcome to Dave Riker's Speed Seduction® Language and Conversation Course. This workbook is meant to
studied along with a series of audio lectures that are recorded on CDs. The purpose of this workbook is to:
This program is based upon experience with countless students, seeing what is needed, and what works in the
field.
Language Skills
What works? What makes the successful guys able to use these technologies? Partly it's the ability to actually
"talk" in this manner, to use these language skills naturally as just a part of the way they speak. If you follow
along and do the exercises, you can change the way you speak as well. We will be teaching you the detailed
language skills that will really help you.
Conversational Skills
The ability to manage conversations is needed as well. We will teach you ways to easily manage conversations so
that they go in interesting directions.
This course works on many levels, consciously and subconsciously. So even this "intro" section is starting to
work for you, and on you as well. Listen to it, pay attention, and get the full benefit of everything this course has
to offer.
Some guys don't need this, some people do this naturally. If you are her "type" you don't need this, but this will
help you if you are not.
You are not going to sound like this or talk like this all of the time! Just in the way that you shift and change how
you speak now in different situations, you will do so in the future and use these techniques as well. You will have
this way of speaking as a PART of who you are and what you can do!
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You have to be PROGRAMMED to do this so you can have a conversation, listen, and be a part of it. In a way,
some of the ways that you speak now will be reprogrammed so that speaking in a new way will be natural. Other
parts of the language tools you may have to "think" about... for a while at least.
Guys need to be able to just "do this" and "talk this way" in REAL-TIME.
This is a term that will be used throughout this course, so let's define and explain it for you. Real Time -
"Occurring immediately ... respond to input immediately ... must react to a steady flow of new information
without interruption."
It's only "wrong" if you are TRYING to do or be something you are not. You need to integrate skills to the degree
that they ARE a part of who you ARE, not a "trick", but it's really YOU talking!
Guys are too focused on "how can I use this" when in a conversation.
Sure, that is important, but if you are "thinking" too much, then you are not actually IN the conversation! You
need to be engaged in a conversation, talking, listening, interacting, responding. Not inside your head "thinking"
about "how can I use this?"!
Major Topics
• Speaking Pointers
• Language Tools and Details
• Conversational Management
• Conversational Fractionation
• Topics - Enthusiasm and Passion
• Topics - Seduction Oriented Topics
• Patterns and Riffing
• Examples
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Any real change requires you to make an investment in yourself using energy, effort, and engagement, a concept
that was brought up earlier. By embarking upon this course, and this journey, you are doing just that.
The best way to listen to this course is while also reviewing the workbook (especially in the conversational
management sections). However, listening multiple times in any setting also has a lot of benefit. So, do whatever
you need to do to listen to this course a LOT. If you need to make your own copies for use in multiple locations,
do it! But please, keep those copies to yourself.
Be wary of those people who may want to "borrow" a copy, and who may "try" to listen to the course. If they just
"try" it, they aren't really putting themselves INTO it. In addition, many of these people will be those negative
types of people that will then dispute the benefits of this program! Why? Because THEY have not invested
anything into it! Not just in terms of dollars, but in terms of THEM really being willing and ready to change, and
being open to what benefits this program can bring.
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People must be engaged in the process to get its benefits. Those who are not, will not benefit. Don't let their lack
of willingness to improve themselves, hold you back.
Is this really possible? This sounds difficult. Can we literally change the way you speak?
• That's good in a way, because it addresses that analytical part of your mind.
• But it's tough to do that. Imagine having to "think about" how to talk, at every moment!
• This might be good as a learning TOOL, but to then USE it in conversation is difficult.
• You keep trying to "remember" things.
• Plus it's not YOU talking, its a memorized "thing".
• It's less effective.
• Not as congruent.
• It makes guys nervous, trying to "remember" what to say. Then it's about a "performance."
• So, consequently, there is a "right" and "wrong" way to do it!
• But if you are just TALKING, just being YOU, then its easier, there is no "right" way or "wrong" way, its
YOU being YOU! You cannot fail at being YOU!
• Sure in middle school, kids are taught about language, about grammar, sentences, paragraphs, etc.
• But that's not how you learned to talk!
• You learned to talk when you were a child - by hearing others around you speak!
• You were IMMERSED in language, you heard it, you heard it a lot, you heard it in context, and you
started to form the ability to speak and communicate based upon that!
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This Course Uses Many Techniques To Train You To Have Workable, Real-World Skills.
Examples
• Implicit examples, where I am just DOING these things all during the program.
• We use a lot of repetitive training methods so that these techniques have a better chance of becoming
"automatic".
• We will have you become familiar with the range of ways of speaking and sounding, so that you will
have more ability and more flexibility to do what is appropriate
Many guys have been uncomfortable with using many of these skills, based upon feelings that when using them,
"it's not me" or "I am just using a trick or technique".
This causes some real, deep ethics issues and blocks many guy's success.
With THIS approach HERE, it's not about throwing something AT her, we will change the way you talk so that it
will be easier, more natural, more a part of YOU, how you communicate, and who and what YOU are!
Using these skills will be less of an "act", and be more of WHO YOU ARE.
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Guys want to sound "cool", calm, reserved, etc. This is good as long as it's not BORING. That "cool" feeling
comes from being calm and speaking in a relaxed fashion, but giving the impression that there IS more, that there
is a "fire" beneath the surface. That's the "allure". That's what women like, and what people like in general.
Too many guys "try" to be cool but actually come off as COLD or even worse, BORING. "Cool" comes from
being calm and sure of yourself. Cool does NOT mean to be boring and to put people to sleep while talking! The
coolest people are the ones that are FUN to talk to and fun to be with!
Listen to some examples of different tones of voice, how they sound, how they make you feel.
Your tone of voice really conveys a lot about who you are, how calm you are, how interesting you are, and says a
lot about you. If this is a challenge for you, there are great products and examples of this elsewhere. We will work
on this here in this course, but if you really want to work on this even more, there ARE products that focus JUST
on this area and you may want to invest in those.
The audio section demonstrates these options quite well, and even goes a bit over-the-top to really help you to
understand what is being discussed.
Examples: One way to think of this is to consider "where" your voice is generated from in your body. Listen as
the examples demonstrate:
• Speaking through the nose
• Speaking through the mouth
• Speaking from the chest
Grab some reading material of some type, something you are interested in, even some of the materials from
other products.
1) Take some of that reading material, and read it aloud, focusing on generating your voice from your nose.
Read several paragraphs, do this for several minutes.
2) Read some more of that material out loud, and this time focus on speaking by generating the sound from
within your mouth (or, focusing on the back of your throat might make this easier to do).
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3) Now read some of the material, but this time really focus upon generating the sound from deep within your
chest. Relax. SOUND relaxed. See how relaxed it actually makes you feel and how you really need to BE
relaxed to do this!
4) Take a moment, and recall some time in the recent past when you were kind of nervous or fearful. Can you
recall how you spoke? Did the way you sound in that situation sound like any of the examples you just did?
See the similarity?
These are your first real assignments in the course. Assignments are where you are given a real task to go
out and do - in the real world! To get the most benefit from this course, it's important that you do what you
can to REALLY make a point of doing these assignments. Real-world experience will really help you to not
just "know" the skills, but to actually HAVE the skills, and make them a part of who you are.
1) Over the next few days when speaking to anyone, make a note to yourself as to how you are speaking, and
where you are speaking from (your nose, mouth, or chest). Also, make note of how you felt (nervous,
comfortable, relaxed-confident). Make notes below for some of the conversations and see if you can see a
correlation between these items.
2) In the next few conversations you have with people, really make a note to speak lower. Focus on dropping
your voice down from your nose/mouth, and really focus on having that voice generated from your chest.
Make notes below as to when it happened, with whom, where you were, and whether or not you DID it!
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Use your best tone of voice (speaking from your chest) to convey a relaxed, powerful, and charismatic presence.
Listen to the examples where some various pacing is demonstrated, first very very fast, and then far far too slow.
Grab some reading material of some type. Something you are interested in, even some of the materials from
other products.
1) Take some of that reading material and read it aloud. Focus on reading in a very hurried fashion as if you are
very nervous. Read several paragraphs and do this for several minutes.
2) Read some more of that material out loud, and this time focus on reading in a quick and hurried fashion, but
go ahead and convey excitement in your voice!
3) Now read some of the material, but this time read it slowly, in a manner that makes you sound as if you are
very confused, or don't quite understand the content.
4) Now read some of the material, but this time read it in a slow, deliberate, relaxed, comfortable manner.
(Maybe even be aware of where your voice is coming from, as we discussed in the past section.)
1) Over the next few days when speaking to anyone, make a note to yourself as to how you are speaking in
terms of your pacing and pausing. Too fast? Too slow? Hurried-nervous? Hurried-excited? Slow-confused?
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Slow-relaxed? You don't have to change it yet, just make a note of this after-the-fact and write that down
below.
2) For the next few days, start to focus on changing your pacing and pausing, to convey a more relaxed and
deliberate manner. Make note of when, who, where, and if you DID it!
Use variations in pace, and well-placed pauses, to convey a sense of drama and intrigue in what you are saying
in a way that "captivates" people and makes them want to listen to you.
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The audio section demonstrates more details about sounding boring/bored and also sounding as if you have
energy and enthusiasm.
Grab some reading material of some type, something you are interested in, even some of the materials from
.. other products.
1) Watch and listen to some speakers talk about a boring, dry topic. Watch on either TV, taped lectures,
technical presentations, etc. Really pay attention to how they speak, their tone, their pace, and how much (or
little) energy is conveyed.
2) Watch and listen to some speakers who use a lot of energy and enthusiasm when they are talking! Really pay
attention to how they speak, their tone, their pace, and how much (or little) energy is conveyed. Note how
even if the material is something you do NOT care about, that a good speaker can really grab your attention
with their energy and enthusiasm.
3) Get some written material that you have NO interest in, which bores you. Read it OUT LOUD in a boring,
monotone, bland voice with no energy or enthusiasm. Do this for a good 10-15 minutes.
4) Get some written material that really DOES interest you, and that are excited about, maybe sports, your
work, your car, women, whatever it is, make sure it is something that YOU are passionate about.
Read it OUT LOUD in an exciting, animated, energetic voice. Think as if YOU are convincing a group of
people how great this is! Maybe your Dream Job of a lifetime is dependant upon YOU speaking well and
showing how passionate YOU are about this! Do that for a good 10-15 minutes.
5) Take that written material that really does interest you, and read that aloud in a boring, bland, monotone
voice. Again, do that for 10-15 minutes.
6) Take that earlier written material about the subject that you are NOT interested in and that really bores you,
and read THAT aloud in a way that DOES show energy and enthusiasm! Make that sound as convincing as
#4 above. Again, do that for 10-15 minutes.
1) Over the next few days, whenever someone is talking about something boring,... go ahead, and BE BORING.
When you respond or talk back, BE BORING and show no enthusiasm at all.
2) For the next few conversations you have with people where you ARE interested in the subject, go ahead and
SHOW your enthusiasm! Be energetic in how you speak, how you listen, and how your respond.
Using energy and enthusiasm when speaking so that people can become energized and enthusiastic about
listening to and being with you.
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Most guys are too dry in their speech. They sound cold, boring, and uninteresting, or they are too factual and left-
brained. Most men could be helped by having more descriptive speech, and more ways of talking about processes,
feelings, and sensations. Remember, we are working to appeal to the emotions, not the logical side of a person.
Most Adjectives and Adverbs are qualitative, they are not things that can be measured or specified.
Adjectives will describe THINGS (nouns), while Adverbs will describe ACTIONS (verbs).
Examples
• Car reviews
• Movie Reviews
• This course!
1) Find some written material that deals with something where people are speaking passionately about some
subject. It's good if YOU are also interested in it; Cars, sports, movies, whatever...
2) Read it, and make note of the adjectives and adverbs in it. (Maybe highlight them in some manner.)
3) Read that text OUT LOUD, and stress the adjectives and adverbs in it. Maybe say those adjectives or
adverbs and put more energy into those words and emphasize them in some manner.
4) Think of three recent conversations you had when you talked to someone about something that you REALLY
liked. Note whom you were talking to, and the subject you were talking about.
5) Now, out loud, talk about each thing or subject again, but this time, add more descriptive terms to it, use more
Adjectives and Adverbs.
Do this for each of the conversations listed above. Re-live it, talk about it in a descriptive way. If you really like
this subject, you should be able to do this for at least 3-5 minutes each.
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1) Make note of the next 3 times you are having a conversation which deals with something that YOU are really
into, that you really enjoy, that you are passionate about. Write down what the subject was, and with whom
you spoke.
2) Write down a few adjectives and adverbs that you could have used in each discussion (refer to a, b, and c
above).
3) Practice out loud how you would have said those things in each of the three conversations. Act like you are
really having the conversation again.
4) The next several times any of those subjects come up in conversation, make sure to use some of those
adjectives and adverbs in your descriptions. Start with just a few of them, and then maybe add some more as
time goes on. Be descriptive, "paint a picture" with your words.
Use more adjectives and adverbs in your speech to appeal to and excite the emotional side of the listener, so that
their feelings, emotions, and processes awaken.
Trance words are words that "call upon" the subconscious mind in order for them to be processed and understood.
They are not "analyzed" in a conscious, factual, or objective manner. Trance words help to "open the person up"
so that their subconscious, their emotional side, is listening and more engaged in the conversation.
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• Imagine
• Mysterious (-ly)
• Wonder (-ous) (-ously)
Think of any subject, even something concrete like your job, work, or school. Look at the Trance Word List
above. Think for a moment about using those trance words to describe that subject. Doesn't that make it sound
kind of "mysterious"? Maybe more exciting? Maybe you can take some normal, almost boring or mundane thing,
and make it more interesting? Well, that's the point!
1) Make a full list of Trance Words. Write them down below. You can copy the ones you saw listed earlier, but
also see if you can add some to the list. Maybe refer to some of your other SS products and see how many
more you can find.
2) Watch or listen to some material where people are speaking passionately about something, like
advertisements, sportscasters, political speakers, or religious speakers. With that list of Trance Words
(above) in hand, see and hear if you can pick out when the speaker is using Trance Words. See how many
you can notice.
3) Get out your written SS materials and look for Trance Words (maybe even use THIS course here). Highlight
or circle the Trance Words in a few sections. See how many you can find and notice how they are used in
context.
4) Get your SS audio materials and listen for Trance Words (maybe even THIS course here). Maybe play one
tape or CD, and see if you can pick these out.
5) Take the written text from an SS product (maybe from #3 above) and read it out loud, placing an emphasis on
the Trance Words when you see them.
6) Pick two subjects in which you are interested. Looking at the list of Trance Words above, talk OUT LOUD
about that subject and see how many times you can use those Trance Words!
Subject a.
Subject b.
7) Pick a subject that bores you, something that you think is dull. Now speak OUT LOUD about that subject, talk
about it, and see how many of those Trance Words you can use.
Boring Subject
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Even though that may seem a bit strange, doesn't that make it-sound more "exciting", more interesting, and
more fascinating?
1) Pick two subjects in which you are interested. Practice working with those subjects out loud some more and
see if you can get even more comfortable using Trance Words when talking about those subjects. The next
time you are speaking with anyone about those subjects (in the real world guys!), make a point to use at least
one of the Trance Words in the conversation.
Subject a.
Subject b.
2) Integrate a few more of these words into your every-day description of those subjects. Use them when talking
to different people. Just do whatever you can to start using some of them at first, and using more and more as
time goes on.
Using Trance Words will help to get the subconscious mind of the listener to be more of a part of your
conversation.
How do you talk about something without REALLY talking about it? How do you bring something up that may
be a bit different, maybe even a bit odd? Maybe even a different topic or change of subject? Or maybe something
that you were worried about bringing up, because it may be a bit too forward? Well, that's what Weasel Phrases
are for!
Weasel Phrase List (see if you can add to the list by listening to the audio).
These also work as transitional phrases, to get from one subject to another.
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1) Get some of your written SS materials and look for some Weasel Phrases in the text.
2) Get your SS audio materials and listen for some Weasel Phrases. Maybe play one tape or CD. See if you can
pick these out.
3) Take the written SS materials you had earlier, and read some of this material out loud. While doing it, make
note of the weasel phrases. Take a moment and try to emphasize them in a way. Maybe pausing for a
moment before one, after another, saying one slowly or quickly. Just read the SS material out loud, and do so
with an awareness on some level that you are saying and using weasel phrases when they are in the text.
4) Pick a subject in which you are interested. In a moment, we want you to talk about how it FEELS, the
experience of it, doing it, sensing it, getting into it, etc. This is necessary to have the kind of words and
subjects that lend themselves to Weasel Phrases. (Weasel Phrases tend to provide ways to connect
sentences and paragraphs that talk about how something is felt and experienced.)
Pick 4-5 different aspects of this "experience" that you will talk about. For example, the subject might be
"going to a ball game" (pick your own, don't use that one!)
Now talk about one of these 4-5 aspects for 1-2 sentences, and then use one of the Weasel Phrases and the
bring up another "aspect". Talk about THAT one for a few sentences, then use another Weasel Phrase, etc.
Do this until you use all 4-5 of the attributes that you listed.
5) Did that sound weird? Strange? Ok ... It will get easier. Try it again. Use different Phrases, and see if you can
string things together so that they sound better, that it makes more sense, but selecting different Phrases to
link the aspects together.
1) Look at the list of Weasel Phrases that you wrote earlier. Pick 3 of them that seem the most natural to you,
that seem as if they fit best into your way of speaking about subjects that you may like.
2) Note the subject that you used earlier for doing some exercises with Weasel Phrases (exercise 4 above). The
next several times that you talk about that subject with anyone, see if you can use some or all of your favorite
weasel phrases when talking about it.
Subject
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3) Select another subject that really interests you, and incorporate Weasel Phrases into the next several
discussions you have about that subject as well.
Subject
Use Weasel Phrases to keep the conversation going, and to "soften" the way in which something is said, allowing
you to say more (and maybe more provocative things) about a subject.
These are small snippets of words and phrases which, when separated from the context, issue a "command" or
statement that instructs someone do something, or feel a certain way.
Two key aspects of the use of Embedded Commands are often overlooked...
• Context - It's very important that the command be brought up in the context of a conversation that is
interesting, and where the person's emotions or feelings are somehow active (This "context" issue is
discussed later in the product in great detail in Conversational Management sections.).
• Repetition - It's not just about using one, once, its about multiple usage (bombardment)!
1) Get our your written SS materials (written) and look for embedded commands in a few pages of the text.
2) Get your SS audio materials and listen for these. Maybe play one tape or CD. See if you can pick out
embedded commands while listening.
3) Take the written SS materials, and read some of this material out loud. While doing it, make note of the
embedded commands. Take a moment and try to emphasize them in some way, maybe pausing for a
moment before one, after another, saying one slowly, or more quickly. Make a point to "lean on it" a bit. Just
say this stuff out loud, and do so with an awareness, on some level, that you are saying and using embedded
commands at the time.
4) Pick a topic that YOU are very interested in. Pick something that excites you! Maybe the subject is sports,
your job, your car, a place you have traveled, etc.
Write down a list of embedded commands, things you would like a listener to think about, feel, or experience
while they are thinking about that subject. These are not to be sexual or suggestive, but just general things
(feelings or states). Write down things that would make someone interested, intrigued, excited by something.
Like "feel excited", "get excited", "get into it", "see how fascinated" - just general things that would cause a
person to be interested in something.
To make it easy, think of it like this, lets say you were selling something to someone, maybe a car. Think of
general statements, feelings, etc, that you want them to experience. Again not "you like that color", instead
"you like this" (car), or "you want this" (car), "this is what you have imagined having for yourself.
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5) Start talking about that topic out loud, and with that list that YOU wrote in hand, see just how many of the
embedded commands in that list that YOU can say! First, work on just saying them and finding a way to bring
them up, and make it sound natural.
6) Do the same thing again, but now focus more on "leaning" on the embedded commands a bit. Maybe slowing
down slightly, pausing, changing your voice, just enough to put the emphasis on the command.
1) Look at the list of Commands that you wrote and practiced that deal with a subject in which you are interested
(exercise 4 above). The next several times that you talk about that subject with anyone, start using a few of
these commands when speaking.
2) Select another subject that is a part of your life. Maybe it's not a passion or real interest, but something where
being influential may help. Maybe you work in sales, or maybe it has to deal with your job, or school. Write
down a list of at least 5 commands that work well in that subject, that would assist you in being more
influential.
Subject
Embedded Commands
3) Practice the use of those commands, out loud, in the context of talking about that subject. See how natural
you can make them sound. Start to place some emphasis on the command itself.
4) The next several times that subject comes up in your life, make some effort to use some of these commands
in the context of a real discussion.
Use embedded commands repeatedly and in the proper context, to create a compelling will on the part of the
listener follow you and listen to you.
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Linking is a way to take the feelings, emotions, and experiences that are being discussed and associate or "link"
them to you. In some ways, it's easier than you think!
Just talking about a subject and getting her to be a part of the discussion, and getting her to experience, recall, and
feel emotions, will "link" them to you. If she is experiencing these feelings in your presence, while looking at
you, and talking to you, then on some level that is creating this "link". However, the linking tools and techniques
will add to this, and make this "link" even more effective.
The most common linking phrase/tool that guys think about is the phrase "now with me". You can also make
reference to "in me", "in myself, also "this" and "these" as in "this feeling" of "these feelings", "this interest",
etc.
Linking Phrases - While listening to the audio, see if you can add more phrases to the list below.
• Now with me
• In me
• In myself
• with this
• these
• this belief
• these feelings
1) Get our your written SS materials (written) and look for examples of Linking in the text.
2) Get your SS audio materials and listen for these. Maybe play one tape or CD. See if you can pick out Linking
Phrases while listening.
3) Take the written SS materials, and read some of this material aloud. While doing so, make note of where
linking is taking place. Take a moment and try to emphasize the linking in some way, using some of the
techniques that have been discussed in this course (pausing, change in voice tone, etc.)
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4) Take the list of embedded commands that you created in an earlier exercise (Exercise #4 in section 2.2.4),
and see if you can "add" text to each to link them to you in some way. (Again, the linking is ambiguous and
doesn't reference you directly.)
For example, where you listed "feel excited", you could say "feel excited by this" or "feel excited now" (you can
also link things by putting in a reference to NOW).
Another example would be to take the phrase "Get excited" and turn that into "get excited by THESE things".
You can even add the ever-popular "now, with me" after one of more of the commands in your list. A quick
way of doing this is to simply add "this feeling", "these feelings", "this person or thing", etc. Write down the list
of commands and an associated linkage phrase for each below.
5) Pick a topic that YOU are interested in as we did before (it can be the same one you used in Exercise #4 in
section 2.2.4). Start talking about that topic out loud, and using the list above, see just how many of the
Embedded Commands and Linkage Phrases that you can use in your dialog. First, work on just saying them
and finding a way to bring them up. In some manner.
6) Now do the same thing again, but now focus more on "leaning" a bit on the Linkage Phrases. Maybe slow
down slightly, pause, or change your voice, just enough to put emphasis on the Linkage Phrase.
This may seem strange and sound a bit "off". That's ok. Doing linking in an exercise like this is difficult and
hard to make it sound "natural". This will sound easier for you as we go on. As you hear more and more
examples of this throughout the course, this will come to you much more easily.
No separate assignment for this, it's much better if picked up along-the-way. Plus the next section will make this
much easier!
After getting someone to experience good feelings and emotions, link them to you so that YOU become
something and someone that they feel good about.
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This is a new and very effective way to do linking that is easy to learn and master, and it can be done a LOT, for
that multiple-instance bombardment that we spoke of before!
The idea of linking wild, exciting, seductive feelings to you may be great but, in general, a GREAT strategy is to
link anything and everything positive to you (and link negative things away from yourself.
These are forms of pronouns, they reference a "thing", but do so in a general manner, so you are not using a name
or specific reference. This means they are ambiguous!
Consider this and that. This and that tend to refer to singular items, one "thing".
• This person, that person
• This direction, that direction
• This feeling, that feeling
• This sensation, that sensation
They differ though in that "this" seems possessive, and "that" is not. For example, "this person" tends to sound
like the person that is there, with you, and included. Whereas "that person" refers to someone "away" some
"other" person who is not in the immediate area, or not there at the time.
Consider these and those. In this case, these refer to plural items, with "these" being the possessive form.
For example,
• These people, those people
• These directions, those directions
• These feelings, those feelings
• These sensations, those sensations
So, who cares? Well these are almost interchangeable! You can switch this/that in sentences as you wish. (In
some cases, there are times when they cannot be switched, but that will be quite obvious when you try to do that).
Given that one type is possessive, and one is not, use the possessive form when saying or talking about
ANYTHING POSITIVE and use the non-possessive form when saying anything negative!
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You can learn to do this (to choose which of these words to use) in real-time through training!
1) Say the lines below, out loud, for a good ten minutes.
This is good.
That is not.
These are good.
Those are not.
2) Say the lines below, out loud, for a good ten minutes.
3) Earlier in the workbook, you have discussed a subject (and written a lot of text about it) that is important to
you. Write down (below) ten attributes, or "things about" that subject. For each of these attributes or things,
write a small sentence for each, using the correct versions of That, That, These, and those depending on
whether the item is positive or negative, or singular/plural.
Subject:
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4) Talk out loud about that subject for a good 5-10 minutes, and use as many of the sentences (above) as you
can while talking.
5) Pick another subject, and once again, list ten attributes or things about that subject, and then write a small
sentence for each, using the appropriate form of This, That, These, and Those.
Subject:
6) Talk out loud about the subject mentioned above for a good 5-10 minutes, and use as many of the sentences
(above) as you can while talking.
Now we are getting into a different area, beyond the small bits and pieces of language. Great speakers use
movement to their advantage, and their movement becomes a part of their communication. These sections help to
train you in these types of techniques.
Anchoring D4-T13
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Many different types of anchoring can be done and we are only going to cover some very basic tools. However
we will focus on things that can create a LOT of effectiveness, and that are very very easy to do, and to do
multiple times.
We will break down many of the component parts of this into skills that we will teach you bit by bit, so that the
use of these becomes automatic.
Good speakers use their hands, and some gestures, to help make their point. Most guys are too boring and too
reserved when talking, so these techniques discussed here will help.
How to do this:
• Get your hands out of your pockets, and way from your sides.
• Don't flail about wildly.
• Move!
We will start by generating SOME movement, and then we can work on deliberate movement such as
• Pointing towards and away from things
• Towards yourself and away from yourself
1) Find a good speaker on TV, maybe a motivational speaker, political speaker, or even a preacher. Watch how
they move. They may be a bit over-the-top (speaking to an audience is different than speaking one-on-one)
but just watch them for a while.
2) Get one of the text lists from an earlier exercise (weasel phrases, embedded commands, etc). Read some of
that text (from an earlier exercise) out loud, talking about a subject that YOU are interested in, and that you
are passionate about.
Use your hands to accentuate certain points, point up, down, towards, and away from yourself, etc. Get your
hands OUT of your pockets and AWAY from your body! Act excited, BE excited! Use your hands and arms for
emphasis.
1) For the next few days, make note of where your hands are when speaking. How often are they in your
pockets? How often do they just lie by your side and never move?
Make note of this after-the-fact, after the conversation has ended. Then later on see if you can start to
become aware of what your hands are doing WHILE you are in the conversation.
2) List 3 subjects that you really enjoy, and that you end up talking about with people quite often. Pick something
YOU are interested in, and hopefully the conversations are interesting, passionate, have energy, etc.
Subjects
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4) Talk out loud about that subject for a good 5-10 minutes, and use as many of the sentences (above) as you
can while talking.
5) Pick another subject, and once again, list ten attributes or things about that subject, and then write a small
sentence for each, using the appropriate form of This, That, These, and Those.
Subject:
6) Talk out loud about the subject mentioned above for a good 5-10 minutes, and use as many of the sentences
(above) as you can while talking.
Now we are getting into a different area, beyond the small bits and pieces of language. Great speakers use
movement to their advantage, and their movement becomes a part of their communication. These sections help to
train you in these types of techniques.
Anchoring D4-T13
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For each of these subjects, recall a recent time when you had such a discussion. Do your best to re-enact
that discussion (say what you said, etc,), but this time use your hands, arms, and MOVE! Do this out loud,
and MOVE.
3) With these three subjects in mind, make a note to go ahead and move, gesture, and animate to some extent
the next time you talk about them. Do something, ANYTHING, just start to MOVE.
As you get more comfortable with this, make a point to get your hands OUT of your pockets, and AWAY from
your sides and MOVE when talking about these subjects, and others.
Move, motion, gesture, and accentuate what you are saying in order to be more compelling as a speaker and to
get even more attention from your listener or audience.
This is a fast and easy way to link positive states to you, and to send negative things "away" from yourself. This
technique allows you to do this many many times, very easily.
Bring Positive things toward yourself, and send Negative things away
• You can point towards or away from yourself, or
• You can place your hand on your chest or abdomen in a subtle manner (to link things to you) ...
• Or hold your hand away from yourself (to send things "away")
How to use it
• Good to do in the context of being a person that already MOVES when talking!
• Make this subtle, no need to WILDLY gesture!
• You can do this many many times, and the repetition works for you!
• Can do in various contexts; many people move when talking
This technique is most powerful when used at a time when emotions and/or imagination are engaged in the
conversation.
1) Stand up, or at least be able to move. Say the following out loud while gesturing in the correct direction:
Good, Bad, Good, Bad (gesture towards, away, towards, away, etc.)
2) Grab some of your written SS materials. Read that out loud, and every time something positive is being talked
about, point towards yourself, and when anything negative is mentioned, point away.
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3) Remember the text we used in an earlier example here in the workbook? Read that out loud, and every time
something positive is being talked about, point towards yourself and when anything negative is mentioned,
point away.
1) List 3 subjects that you really enjoy, and that you end up talking about with people quite often, (yes, these can
be the same as the last set of assignments). Pick something that YOU are interested in, and hopefully the
conversations are interesting, passionate, have energy, etc.
For each of these subjects, recall a recent time when you had such a discussion.
Subjects
Do your best to re-enact that discussion, say what you said, etc, but this time when you are speaking of
anything good or positive, gesture towards yourself or place your hand(s) on yourself. Conversely, when
anything negative is mentioned, motion away or place your hands/arms away. Do this out loud, and MOVE.
2) With these three subjects in mind, make a note to go ahead and use these Linking Gestures to some extent
the next time you talk about them. Start subtle, start with a few, it will become easier and easier.
2.3.3 Easy Linking Expanded (Pointing With This, That, These, Those ...) D4-T30
When you say This or These, points towards yourself. When you say These or Those, point away. This is very-
easy to do over and over for that repetitive effect, but you don't have to do it every time! That will seem strange!
1) Stand up, or at least sit where you can move. Do the following out loud:
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2) Remember the text we used in an earlier example? Speak that text out loud, trying to add in more instances
of This, That, These, and Those if you can.
Use the correct versions of This, That, These, and Those, while pointing towards or away from yourself in the
correct manner.
Practice it enough and in connection with earlier exercises, it will become automatic.
Combine the use of Linking Gestures (towards yourself when positive, and away when negative...) with Easy
Linking (using This, That, These, Those in the correct ways) to associate even more positive feelings, states, and
emotions to yourself.
Let's look at anchoring in light of the 80/20 rule (where 80% of the results come from 20% of the effort). Can we
apply this to anchoring? Yes! •
We need a way to do some basic anchoring that is very simple, and able to be done many many times.
It may be good to anchor feelings, specific states, and thoughts to you but in a general sense, it's very useful to -
Anchor anything and everything positive to you!
In some ways, we are doing that already by pointing "towards" on positive things and "away" on negative things
using Linking. But to get even more effectiveness when anything positive happens, or when the person you are
talking to goes into a Positive state, touch them!
This is best done in a "moment" with some emotion, a laugh, a realization, an expression, etc. The more that
"emotions" are being accessed, the more effective it tends to be.
Do this in a way that maybe makes it seem like you are doing it for emphasis, but actually, you are anchoring
them in a subtle way.
This is more easily done if you are standing at the side or at an angle. If you are head-on directly in front of a
person, it's more difficult. Also, it's good to be close enough (within arms-length) so that the "touch" is easy to
do.
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You probably do this already in certain situations, without really thinking about it, such as...
• Think about when you greet a friend, maybe pat on the back.
• Think about when you meet and are introduced to someone, but yet have some degree of rapport already
(maybe this is a friend-of-a-friend, maybe someone who you have heard about). What do you do? You
shake their hand, but in many cases, you grab their upper arm as well.
• When joking with someone, you just touch his or her upper arm or upper back.
This is the same type of thing, but a bit more "deliberate".
When the person you are talking with displays a positive feeling of some type, a smile, laugh, interest, intrigue,
etc., touch them to help anchor it to you.
1) Think about the last 5 times where you touched someone in this type of way. (Not romantically, just a touch.)
Maybe a handshake
Maybe a pat on the back
Maybe a funny gesture
Make a note of the person, and the situation or topic being discussed. Write those down.
2) Recall those 5 times, vividly. See if you can recall how it was, and note to yourself the correlation between
how long the touch lasted and the level of rapport. Also note the degree of eye contact.
1) The next several times you shake someone's hand, make a point to hold it just slightly longer than usual, also
make a point to make and maintain eye contact as well.
2) Spend some time looking for moments (positive ones) where a touch would be appropriate.
A laugh
A moment of recognition or realization
When someone starts talking quietly, directly to you.
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At first, maybe you don't touch them, but as you notice these moments, think "I could have touched them
THEN". You are noticing this after-the-fact.
3) Now that you have started to notice these "moments" where a touch would be appropriate, we want you to
actually DO IT! So, see if you can have at least 5 instances of knowing, in-the-moment, that a touch is
appropriate. Then, when you have the chance, DO IT!
In general, anchoring and associating yourself to positive and intriguing feelings in other people helps to make
them feel positive towards and intrigued by you.
We are well on our way, and you have already learned a LOT of the detailed speaking, language, and movement
skills that will be used later in the course.
• SPEAKING POINTERS
o The "Cool" Factor
• You don't have to be cold, to be cool
o Voice Tone And Tonality
• Nose, Mouth, Chest
o Pacing And Pausing
• Slow, Fast
• Pause
o Energy And Enthusiasm
• Passionate or Boring?
• LANGUAGE TOOLS AND DETAILS
o Adjectives And Adverbs
• Be descriptive
o Trance Words
• Instantaneously, Suddenly, Find Yourself
o Weasel Phrases
• If I were to ..
o Embedded Commands
• Can you do this now...
o Linking
" with me...
o Easy-Linking
• This, That, These, Those
• MORE TOOLS
o Pointing And Gestures
• Move! Point!
o Linking Gestures
• Towards And Away
o Easy Linking Expanded
• Pointing With This, That, These, Those
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o Easy Anchoring
• Point Or Touch On Positive And Negative
With these parts behind you, we will move onwards to work on Language Structures, and later to Conversational
Management techniques.
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These techniques give you ways to use and arrive at languaging in a manner that will make you more persuasive,
and more influential in general.
To make a change in direction in some manner, it's best to meet or join someone in some way, show
understanding (does not have to be agreement necessarily) and then ... move them ... towards where you want
things to go.
Fast and abrupt changes ... Are they useful and possible?
• Trying to knock or jar someone into a different direction or way of thinking can be risky. You MAY be
able to do that, but you can break rapport in the process.
• Changing Topics and Subjects - Can you just abruptly jerk a conversation towards where you want it to
go? Maybe, however you can break rapport.
• Changing the Viewpoint or Frame if Mind - Can you just knock someone into agreeing with you? Can
you be that bold? Yes, but you need a lot of power to do it and you risk breaking rapport.
Pace and Lead allows us to "join" someone, move with them conversationally for a while, and then take them in
some direction.
Challenges
• Can't you just bluntly offer a different view? Yes, but you must do so powerfully and do NOT look for
"acceptance". The minute you do anything like that to get someone else's "approval", or to try to
"impress" them, you are lost.
• Agree or not agree? - Some people misunderstand and think that to "Pace" means to "agree". It can
mean this, but agreeing is just a special case. To "Pace" means to just BE a part of the conversation. You
might disagree, you might bring up a new way of looking at it, you might make comments (some that
agree and some that may not) but the key is that you are "Taking part in" the conversation and topics at
hand.
• Don't argue! - Some people try to display higher knowledge or value by "arguing", telling someone they
are wrong, incorrect, etc. You almost NEVER impress people that way! To pace/lead well, acknowledge
what the other person is saying, then and give them another way of looking at it.
For example, say things such as...
o That's one way to see it
o I understand your point
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o That's interesting
o I see what you are saying, I also think you can see ....
Many smart guys study these techniques and technologies, and some of then want to go out and "impress" people
with their newfound knowledge. That hardly ever works.
To TRY to IMPRESS is bad, the implication is that you NEED someone's approval. Instead - BE IMPRESSIVE!
People really don't like to be proven dumb or wrong! Most people are offended or "put off by such attempts. In
addition, if you attempt to do that, it makes YOU look bad, as if you "need" their approval.
Pacing and Leading allows you "be" in the conversation for a while and gain rapport and information, allowing you
to move things more in your favor later on.
Here are some examples of ways to do these steps with example wording for each. The point here is not to
memorize these "lines", but to really get a sense of being IN the conversation, showing that you are a part of it,
and then moving things forward in some manner.
Let them know you are listening and understand (using wording such as shown below...)
• Yes, I see
• That's interesting
• I get it
• Hmmmmm ...
• Ok ...
• Alright...
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The Formula for Pacing and Leading is ... acknowledge and then start to shift things ...
Maybe you want to shift things more and/or bring up another issue or viewpoint entirely (or maybe you actually
disagree)
• That's one way of looking at it, however I think ...
• Yes, I understand, I have also heard ...
• Ok, that makes sense, another way of thinking about it is ..
• Alright, but on the other hand...
Some general methods you can use to introduce the "leading" aspect, you can talk about...
• What you know, believe, understand
• What a friend or colleague has said
• What you heard
• What you read
• etc.
Lets say you find some people talking about a topic. Do you walk up, interrupt, and start an entirely new topic?
No. (Well, you can, but that takes a lot of power and has a lot of risk.)
A better way is to enter the conversation, talk about it (Pace), and then move the conversation into areas that you
want it to go (Lead).
Examples:
• You are in a conversation and the topic is cars. People are talking about prices, loans, etc. You
acknowledge what is being said, contribute to that conversation (pace), and then start to bring in the idea
of how a car handles, how it feels, and how exciting it is to drive certain cars (lead).
• People are discussing clothes, various brands, types, etc. You talk about that with them (pace) for a while,
and then start to bring up the idea of how clothes make you feel, how you feel differently when wearing
different things ... etc (lead)
1) Think about some recent conversations you have had with people about different topics, hopefully these
conversations and/or this topic is something that occurs a lot for you (based on interests you have, people
you know, etc).
Recall a specific "moment" in each conversation. Note what was being discussed, and what point was being
talked about. Make a note of each of them. Also note, where did that actual conversation go next?
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Out loud, practice as if you were talking in each of the discussions above, and paced the conversation and
topic, and then lead it in some direction.
In this exercise, simply show agreement, understanding, and/or interest, and then lead in the same general
direction. Maybe bring up a new example, new point, new issue, but just sort of "take over" the conversation.
Next, for each of those instances, provide an example where you show agreement, understanding, and/or
interest, but now start to "move" things in a new direction.
Maybe the conversation that you had started at this one "point" and went in a specific direction ... Now, for this
exercise, practice taking it in a new and different direction. Maybe introduce a different aspect of the topic or
subject, something not mentioned before, or not normally talked about.
The key is to first show agreement, understanding, and/or interest and THEN do this "shift", and you LEAD
things in a different way.
1) Make note of three conversations that you tend to have with people on a regular basis.
2) The next times these conversations happen, make a point to "Show agreement, understanding, and/or
interest" (Pace). Then "Then start to move things" (Lead) in your own way,
Don't make this shift or change really abrupt or different, just make a point to sort of "direct" where things
move, even if that direction is close to where it was going anyway. Just make sure YOU are the one that
moves it. Note the text and examples given earlier as a way to do that.
3) Once you can do the above, now make a point to have your "Lead" incorporate a real change of some type.
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Normally, even without your input, the conversation tends to go in a certain way. The earlier exercise had you
just keep thing moving in that same direction. Now you are to "take" the conversation somewhere else
towards a different or related topic. Just introduce a new aspect of the topic, a different thing, a different
direction, so that you are really "leading" where things go.
Remember the language that you were shown earlier. Use languaging like...
You know what ELSE is interesting
You know what * l * have found (seen, felt)
Another way of doing this would be ..
You know what ELSE can happen ... is ...
You can change the way people look at things, their mindset, and their "frame of mind".
For example, imagine you are having a discussion and people are talking in a certain "frame of mind" (not
directly, it's just their way of seeing things). The point here is to acknowledge that frame, and then introduce
another way of seeing things, another "frame", or another "mindset".
Looking at the formula for Pace and Lead, you apply that by first acknowledging the current Frame, and then start
to lead by bringing up another way of thinking about it and/or looking at it. You bring a new "frame" into the
discussion. (This is a way of shifting that way people LOOK at things, the significance that it has, or their mindset
regarding certain topics or behaviours).
In the earlier example of Pacing and Leading of Topics and Subjects, we were talking just about a thing, a topic,
or subject. Now we are talking about a feeling, or the way things are "seen" or what they "mean".
There is a "frame" (of mind) behind each of these discussions and with proper technique, that frame and mindset
may be changed. Look back at the "Methods" section earlier for some details and examples of how to introduce
this pacing and leading (there are some lists of languaging examples provided).
Examples:
• You enter a conversation where people are talking about risks, Risks at work, risks in finances, risks in
life. You Pace by discussing this for a while. The frame or mindset here is that risks are bad, dangerous,
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have consequences, etc. Then you start to lead by bringing up the idea that some risks are fun and
interesting.... some risks have good rewards, some risks make you feel alive, etc. (Risk was framed as
dangerous, now its being framed as exciting).
• Another conversation has a woman talking about what she looks for in men; she talks about what their
professions are, and what "kind" of man she likes (height, weight, etc). The frame here is that she has her
"standards" and that this is good for her. You agree on some level (pace) and chat about that, then start to
move into talking about how men do this as well; some men will just "write off a woman that is a certain
size, who is like 5 lbs overweight, or may be perfect but with the wrong hair color (lead). The frame you
are bring up is how superficial it is to judge based on numbers and details, and how anyone of quality ...
looks for more. (You are shifting her frame so that she may start to look at different things in men, and
you are working to change the way she screens out guys.)
Show agreement, understanding, acknowledgement, and/or interest in the mindset or frame of mind ...
Then start to move or shift the frame by introducing another way of looking at things... Towards a way that
you want.
1) Think about some recent conversations you have had with people about different topics, where the point of
the discussion in that moment was:
The way they "see" something.
What it "means" to them.
The way they "feel" about it.
Recall a specific "moment" in the conversation. Note what was being discussed, what point was being talked
about. Make a note of each of them. What was the "frame", the viewpoint, the assumption? What is the frame
of mind behind the viewpoints that they had?
Write down the topic, the people, and the "frame" that was in use.
Practice as if you were talking in that discussion, and paced it, and then lead it in some direction.
In this exercise simply Show agreement, understanding, and/or interest in the Mindset or Frame of mind, then
lead in the same general direction. Maybe bring up a similar way of looking at it, a new meaning, or provide a
relevant example. Just sort of "take over" the conversation. Again, the frame of mind or mindset is the focus
here.
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Next, for each of those instances, provide an example where you Show agreement, understanding, and/or
interest in the Mindset or Frame of Mind but now start to "move" things in a new direction.
Maybe bring up a different viewpoint or way of looking at it, what it "means" that is not really in agreement with
what was said. Maybe acknowledge and then bring up an opposing view. Maybe bring up a way of looking at
things that is totally different. Maybe find a way, some way, to find a positive way of looking at the situation.
The key is to first Show agreement, understanding, and/or interest, and THEN do this "shift", and you LEAD
things in a different way.
1) Make note of three conversations that you tend to have with people on a regular basis.
These should be of a type where THE "frame" or mindset is something of which you are aware. Think about
discussions where YOU can see that these people involved are working on a certain set of assumptions, a
frame of reference, maybe even limiting beliefs or beliefs that really hold them back.
Examples:
someone complains a lot, but really his mindset is the problem
someone talks about wanting something different, and they are the one not taking risks
someone is prejudiced or judges other people, and HE is the one with the limitation
someone complains about work and the managers, and says they are cheap, etc
someone looks at a political issue, and makes assumptions (has a certain frame) about people or groups,
and their motivations
etc.
Write down these subjects, and the frame associated with each.
The next times these conversations happen, make a point to "Show agreement, understanding, and/or
interest" (Pace). Then "start to move things" (Lead) in your own way. Do this by introducing a "way of looking
at it" that is similar to the one that is already being used.
Don't make this really abrupt or different, but just make a point to sort of "direct" where things move, even if
that direction is close to where it was going anyway.
Basically, you are just acknowledging the Mindset or Frame in this example. A good way to do it is to show
agreement and understanding, and maybe point out a similar example from your own life, or something
someone said, or something you heard or read.
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Once you can do the above, now make a point to have your "Lead" incorporate a real change of some type.
Meaning, even without your input, there was a certain "frame" being discussed, or assumed by the people
involved. The earlier exercise had you just sort of "run" with that, and allow the conversation to continue with
the same frame of mind in place. Now you are to "take" the conversation somewhere else and bring up a new
mindset or frame of mind. Just introduce a new frame, and new way of looking at things, a new mindset, a
new aspect of "what it means".
A "safe" way to do this would be to find a positive way to look at the situation. This may be different from the
way the subject or belief WAS framed or thought of, but just find a positive way to look at what is being
discussed.
Again, focus on the Mindset or Frame, point towards a specific Mindset or Frame that is of YOUR choosing.
If you look at the languaging used in things like hypnosis, or used by very powerful speakers, these techniques are
used a LOT.
What is done here is that you Pace based on something that is obvious (obvious in their "current reality"), and
then use that to lead someone somewhere. This is a small-chunk detail and technique, but it can work well and
adds to the power of the languaging.
• Start by pacing something that is obvious about their current reality ... (for example, using words such as)
o As you are ...
o As you feel...
o As you see ....
o As you realize ...
o While you are ...
o While you see ...
o While you think ..
o While you are ...
o After you have ...
o etc.
• Continue to Pace by maybe stating an obvious point about their current reality
o seeing XYZ
o feeling XYZ
o thinking about XYZ
o etc.
• and/or express what is on their mind, "Pace" their mindset....
o You are probably wondering
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Examples:
• As you are listening to this program ...
• You are talking to someone at work ... "as you are watching this presentation ... then you are probably
wondering ..."
• Physical demos use this a lot. "As you feel this, you will begin to notice this ....", and "As that feeling
builds...."
• You will hear a LOT of this in this course (which is part of your re-programming!)
1) Listen to this section again. Rewind or go back a few tracks. Really pay attention and see how many times I
have done pacing and leading in this manner. Make note of how many times I have paced your current reality,
what you are thinking, what you are hearing, what you are reading. The more you hear this, the more it will
"sink in".
Warning - Pacing Reality too much can seem arrogant. If you spend too much time saying things similar to "I
know what you are thinking", it starts to become annoying to the listener.
Studies have been done with persuasive language that show that giving a reason will make people more apt to do
things for you and agree with you.
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Don't worry about "losing your power" or being too "nice", you don't need to be concerned about these things.
You are not being apologetic or anything, just providing a reason.
Examples:
• You walk up to a copier at work and there are three people in line. If you just say, "Is it ok if I make
copies next", then it may be difficult to get people to agree. However, if you say "Is it ok if I make copies
next, because I am really in a hurry" then, remarkably, the addition of this small "reason" will make
people much more agreeable and apt to let you do what you would like.
• You are talking to someone and you would like to pull her aside and make the conversation more private.
If you say, "hey, lets move over there", they may go with you. However, if you say "Let's move over
there because it's more quiet" you will be amazed at how much more agreeable the person may be.
This technique does not provide a 100% guarantee; it just helps to make people more agreeable (and there are
statistics to support that as well).
1) Make note of the last five times you asked someone for something, or asked someone to do something. The
examples will be better if these are people you do not know, or at least people that are not close friends of
yours. Write these down.
2) Practice out loud how you might "ask" for that favor or make that request again, but put in a reason of some
type.
3) Go through the same list again, and out loud, come up with another reason.
1) Make note of five routine situations that you have in your life where you are asking for something. It could be
asking for coffee, requesting something, asking "can I pay by credit card", anything. Write these down.
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2) Practice out loud some "reasons" that you could give in these situations.
3) The next times these situations come up in your day-to-day life, go ahead and mention the "reason". See if
you can make it automatic, and flow easily.
This technique has been developed based on observing how many good and influential people speak:
• Successful sales people
• Charismatic speakers
• Good debaters
• Component of hypnotic languaging « Very important.
General Listing is a way to quickly provide several reasons, which support your point.
When making a point, statement, or giving an example, "List" several things or examples which support your
point, in order to provide more power to what you are saying.
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In many ways, listing is like pacing and leading. Maybe your first two items in a list are obvious, true, and the
types of things to which no one would object. Then, the third item may tend to "lead" someone in some way.
Listing can be short, as in saying three items - each of which lasts just a few seconds. Each of the items in a list
can also be much longer, where each lasts several minutes.
1) Lets say you are talking to someone about "Meeting people", and/or what it's like to meet people. Now, briefly,
what are three ways that can go? Good? Bad? Indifferent? Exciting? Boring? Pick three and write these down
What are three "ways" that the experience of "meeting people" can go?
2) Now practice out loud by saying something like "Isn't it interesting how you can meet people and it happens in
different ways? I mean sometimes ...X and then other times ... Y, and still, sometimes ... Z (selecting your
items listed above). Do that out loud.
Now try again by expounding on each of the items, so that you don't just say "X, Y, Z", but instead you talk
' about each for a few moments. Mention the first item, talk about it for a sentence or two, then the second, etc.
3) Pick an example of an activity that you do often. Something you are interested in, maybe watching sports,
doing some type of work, playing a game, partying, etc.
Select a particular aspect of that activity. Pick three ways that can go ... make them brief. Write them down.
4) Now describe "What its like to do your activity ..." and mention those three different ways, as a list.
5) Think of three recent conversations you have had with people where you were making a point, maybe trying
to convince someone of something (NOT an argument-just that you were making a point and would like to
be more persuasive).
For each conversation, write down who it was with, what point you were trying to make, and maybe 3 different
things that support your "point".
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6) Recall a specific moment in each conversation. Now practice, out loud, how you could bring up these three
points in a list-like manner. Do that for each of the three examples above.
If several items are mentioned in a list (for example a car, a table, and an elephant) what tends to "stick" in your
mind? (The Elephant!) The last item!
By hanging an item at the end of a list, it sticks in the listener's head more, and tends to make THAT point the
most important one.
In the earlier Listing examples, we were talking about three points in a list that all were similar. You weren't
trying to emphasize one point vs. the other; you were just listing several things in a list. However, at times you
want to use listing as a way to highlight or focus upon one item. Placing that particular item at the end of a list can
have that effect.
Maybe you want your list to contain many options, or different types of alternatives (to a thought, activity,
suggestion, etc) By doing that, it makes it seem as if you are being fair, and just providing a series of options.
However, by placing YOUR preferred item at the end, you put more emphasis on it.
Here is a way to think about it. Maybe you want to list several options or examples. Normally, the one that
comes to mind the easiest is the one that YOU want someone to agree with. Therefore, it's easy to think of that
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one. Say that one LAST and bring up two other options, examples, or instances FIRST, and then finish with
YOUR preferred item.
Again, this is one of those subtle but very powerful things that many persuasive speakers do a LOT.
Examples
• Fun activity. In general, lets say you are talking about doing some activity.
o It could suck, it could be boring, or it could really be fun.
• Now those are different ways of seeing it. They are not all the same, but by placing "it could be fun" last,
you put more emphasis on it and it tends to make that one "stick" more.
• This course,
o May be frustrating to you, maybe it's boring, or maybe you are really seeing the power of all of
this!
• I think you can tell which option I was going for!
• Job interview
o Have you talked to many candidates? Yes, I know, I have had to do that myself at times. It's
interesting though, how they can almost become a blur, one after another. When I have
interviewed a lot of people, they sort of fell into several groups
o There are some people that, right away, you know that those people are NOT qualified (1)
o Others you maybe have thought were ok at first, but you spend some time with that person (2)
and the more that person talks, the more convinced you are that that person is NOT the one!
o Hopefully though, you eventually find this person that on some level, you just know - that is
the one (3). It may be because you like the resume (a), or this person presents himself really well
(b), or they just have the right answers (c). It's just a matter of getting to this person...
• See? Not only did I have a list of three (1,2, 3), and the third one "eventually find this person" was the
one I wanted to really "stick", but even when describing that person, I put another list within THAT
description (a, b, c)!
Listing at The End is a way to provide several options (which may differ) but to emphasize the option that YOU
want.
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When making a point, statement, or giving an example, "List" several things briefly in order, but mention the one
which YOU want to put the most emphasis on, LAST.
1) Lets say you are going to spend a day or evening with some friends, and you are all figuring out how you are
going to spend your time. List three possible things that you could do and write these down.
2) Practice, out loud, mentioning all of these in a list. However, make sure that the one that YOU want to do, is
the item you mention LAST.
3) Do that again, but place some more emphasis on that last item. Maybe pause when saying it. Maybe add an
embedded command of some type. Maybe add a small "list" within that last item (because it's inexpensive,
close, and we always have fun ... etc.).
4) What is an example from your life (recently), where you are trying to convince people to do something, go
somewhere, buy some thing, agree to some point, etc.?
Write down what the "issue" is, and what the result is that YOU want.
5) Now, out loud, talk about the issue, and bring up at least two other "options" BEFORE you mention the one
option that you want.
When using a List, placing something at the end can add to its power and make it stand out. At times however, it
can be TOO obvious, and seem too direct.
Maybe you want to suggest something very direct or quite controversial and you do NOT want to give it too much
prominence, and therefore you do NOT want it to stick out too much. In that case, it makes sense to "bury" that
item in the middle of a list.
Here is a way to think about it. You want to mention or suggest something that is quite strong, maybe
controversial. You may want to "test" to see how the person will react to it. Go ahead and suggest that item, but
bury it inside a list.
Examples:
• Sales - Let say you arc trying to get someone to buy something, and they are haggling or objecting a bit.
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"Well, its your choice, maybe you aren't ready to buy this now, or possibly you still want to
negotiate... or maybe you want it so much, that you will just seize this chance and get it while
you can!
• That sounds almost TOO forceful. The idea of " seize this chance and get it while you can" is something
rather challenging to say (as the seller) that directly, and when you say it at the end like that, it seems too
obvious.
• But if you switch the order, it seems a bit easier for you to say it...
o "well, it's your choice, maybe you aren't ready to buy this now, maybe you seize this chance and
get it while you can ... or possibly you just still want to negotiate ..."
• Doesn't that sound better?
• Meeting at a Party - Lets say you have met a women at a party, and you are talking about you two
getting together sometime, and maybe there is a possibility of you even spending that night together. So
maybe you say something like
o "Well, we can talk in a few days, we can leave together right now, or maybe I'll call you
tomorrow".
• See? Putting that one, more powerful and direct statement in the middle, seems to "lighten" it up
somehow. It also allows you a chance to watch the persons reaction to it. If she gasps and has a look of
shock and horror when you make that suggestion, maybe it IS too direct. But of she smiles and seems
interested, that may be a GOOD sign.
Instead of thinking about it in terms of a list, lets say that you want to say something or suggest something that is
very direct. Very direct. Sometimes you have that "direct" item in mind and you surround it with other, more
"appropriate" items to lighten it up.
This is also a good way of testing someone's response. Lets say your idea is so controversial and over-the-top,
that you are almost "worried" about how the listener may react.
For example, lets say you are working on a project and things are behind schedule. There are several options but,
honestly, one of them is to just slip the deadline. However, just suggesting, "let's slip the deadline" might be a
problem in some circles! So when people are talking about options to help the project, you don't just say "we can
slip the deadline". Instead, bury it inside a list.
Listing - Burying Items is a way to mention an outrageous or very direct option for "testing" purposes, or to maybe
see if you can get someone to agree to it!
When giving examples or options to someone, you can get away with an outrageous or very direct option by
burying that option in the middle of a List.
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1) Go back to the previous exercises where you said some "lists" out loud. Look at the items that were listed and
see if one of them maybe seemed very "strong" or "direct". If there is not one, go ahead and create a new
item that is very outrageous or direct.
Go ahead and change the order of the list that you used earlier. Bury the strongest item, or the most direct
item, in the middle and see if it is a bit easier to imagine saying that list. Try it out loud.
2) Practice out loud how you would say that list in the situation you used in the previous exercise. Try saying it
with the strongest item at the end, and then trying saying that item in the middle, see if it seems easier to say.
3) Think of some recent situations where you would have liked to mention a quite outrageous or direct
suggestion. For three different situations that have come up in your life recently, write down an outrageous or
very direct suggestion that you would have liked to make (for each).
4) For each of those examples (above) go ahead and practice out loud, suggesting a List of options but burying
that outrageous option in a list. See if you can make it sound natural, you may even want to say it in a joking
way, but see if you CAN say it.
1) As you go out and live your life, you will probably encounter some situations where you might want to suggest
something quite outrageous or direct. After these situations occur, make a point (afterward) to think about that
outrageous option, and go ahead and practice how you COULD have said it, by burying it in a list.
2) In the near future, as any opportunities come up where you would like to make an outrageous or quite direct
suggestion, go ahead and do so, but do it by burying it in a list.
Listing can be powerful, but as with any technique, if you do it TOO much or too blatantly, it can stand out too
much and be annoying.
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You may be worried about coming up with three things in a list - How do you think of them quickly? How do you
make them sound natural?
Pauses make things sound more natural and gives you time to come up with options! We talked about the use of
pauses as a way to convey some drama and to make things interesting, to "pull" the listener in, so this all works in
your favor! Just be interesting enough to keep their attention, and they WILL stay through the pauses!
As you are saying various items in a list, remember to use emphasis and change your voice tone with the items.
Maybe you want to stress one item more or less. Maybe one or more of the items actually has an embedded
command in it. Using pauses, emphasis, changing tone, etc. can help to alter how the options (and you) are
perceived.
If you want to get your point across, and provide many examples to support it, then mention several of your points
or examples that support what YOU want, in a List.
If you must suggest several different examples or options, but have ONE that YOU really want to emphasize or
get people to agree to, place that item at the END of the List for more power. Or, if it's a VERY outrageous
option, then present it buried within a List of options.
You have heard language like "The more X, then the more Y, and the more Y, the more Z". I gave an example (in
the audio) of several things I wanted someone to do, think, or experience, and I just strung those together .
Lets use this as a chance to really step back for a moment and look at this structure, and see how, really, this is
just a way of bringing together many of the things we have learned.
So, thinking about languaging such as "The more X, then the more Y, etc", consider this:
• We talked about listing ...
o See how we are listing several items?
• We discuss Pace and Lead ...
o See how that is being used here?
• We have discuss language details ....
o See how they are incorporated, as in ... "the more YOU FEEL this ..."
"More and More" is just a way to use these and bring them together. In a way, we are pacing and leading, and
using lists, while incorporating the language tools we have already discussed.
• The more X
o where X is something that is hopefully quite obvious and true to the listener
• ... then, the more Y
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o Where Y is something that is a logical extension of what the listener knows and they see this as
something that makes sense
• ... and as Y happens
o or as you sense Y, or realize Y, or as Y is happening
• ... then, the more Z.
That's a general version of it. The small words and verb tenses (past, present, future) can be altered to make it fit
well. You can even start by "pacing" a bit more, with "as X is happening", or "as you notice X", which is more of
an example of using Pace and Lead of their current reality.
Instead of seeing this as a new type of language, or a new "pattern", see it as just a way of using many of the
things we have already covered!
More and More tends to be best thought of as a "List". If you have something that you want to lead someone
through, like a series of successive steps (things you do, step 1, 2, 3,) or thoughts (things you experience or think
about, as you feel this, you notice this, etc), then just list them but use "more" as a way to go from one to the next.
As an alternative, you can use "as you" or "while you" as a way to bridge between sections as well.
The best way to do this is to start off with the first item as quite general, agreeable, and something obvious.
THEN make the next item (more...) specific, towards what YOU want, and even more so with the next (more...)
item. You are "leading" someone, more and more, from a general item towards something that YOU want.
If you want to lead someone through a series of steps (actions, experiences, or thoughts) use "More and More" as
a way to string them together (and increase your chances of that happening.
Examples
• Convincing friends to go do something that you want to do.
o You can start off with something obvious as a statement to kind of pace them, and then use More
and More to lead them forward ...
• Sell TV sets...
o walk someone through though process ...
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1) Consider the idea of convincing some friends of going to a movie. Think about a series of steps, that start off
in general, but more and more get closer to what YOU want.
See how that is a series of steps? Of thoughts? Like leading someone down a path?
Now out loud, practice and see if you can talk about these one by one, and string them together using "more",
or as alternatives; "as you" or "while you". Do that several times. Don't just say "more", work around it and
make it sound natural.
2) Think of the last time you were trying to convince a friend to do something, maybe an activity, a plan, a trip, a
movie, something.
Think of three "steps", a series of thoughts or actions that, if the person followed them, they would end up
doing what you wanted. The first should be obvious, something simple. The next is another step in the series,
more in your direction, etc. Think of three "steps". Write these down.
3) Now out loud, practice saying those in series, using "More". You may start with "As you" or "while you" for the
first one. Do the series several times, as if in a conversation.
4) Think of another series from your life; something you convince people to do (or wish you could), or something
you want to lead people to do somehow, or have them experience; something with which you are familiar.
(Agree where to go to dinner, what to do, what to buy, what project to work on, who should do what, etc.)
Write down three steps, or series of thoughts or actions, that would "walk" the other people through the
process of agreeing with you. The first should be obvious, the second, more leading, etc ....
5) Out loud, practice saying those three steps, and bridging between them as we discussed earlier (More, as
you, while you, etc.)
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1) In the exercises, we had you think of something from your life, where you could have a series of "states" lead
someone through the process of doing what you want... becoming more and more convinced.
Practice that series more! Get very familiar with it. Maybe add or change some of the reasoning. Just make
sure that with that subject, you are able to easily go through such a "sequence", and even change the
specifics of that sequence.
2) With that "More and More" sequence practiced, look for opportunities to use that in your life. Maybe just try 2
of the 3 steps once or twice. But get to the point where you can flow easily through the 3 in a series, and
piece them together and have it sound natural.
You will see that the more you get these bits and pieces, the more you will understand how they fit together. The
more that happens, the more things like "knowing what to say" and "what pattern to use" will become easier and
easier for you!
Notice how we are not doing these examples necessarily with women? Wonder why?
• Take a subject and either mention another aspect of that subject, or else have the person you are speaking
with mention it.
• So, you have two (or more) aspects of a topic, and you discuss these two aspects using Compare and
Contrast.
There are various means of doing this, you can talk about...
• How two things are similar
• How two things are different
• Good - Bad
• One option - another option
• Black - White
• Right - Left
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As you are talking, you can use all of the other tools we have discussed.
• Notice what is liked and not liked
• Notice any reactions, good or bad.
• Link anything good to you.
• Anything bad, link away.
• • Use opportunities to use commands and trance words to create thoughts, feelings, states, that are good for
you.
As you are talking, you can take note of how the person is responding, what they like, what they do not, etc. This
all provides a good way to allow the discussion to continue for a while, and to let the person think about,
experience, and feel those states and emotions for a while as well.
Use this technique to keep the conversation going, keep the discussion focused on a topic that serves your
purposes, and incorporate the language tools.
Take any subject, idea, or point in a discussion. Select another subject, idea, or point in a discussion ... then
discuss these by comparing and contrasting.
How do these differ
How are they the same
Which is good-bad, better-worse, easy-difficult, etc.
Use the other language tools during the discussion.
Examples
• One brand of car vs. another brand, you can talk about one car, and discuss whether the handling
makes it better, or its power. Then discuss the other car, and talk about its attributes as well.
• Maybe what is more important to a sports team, the offense or the defense, or individual sports vs.
team sports. You discuss this, compare, and contrast these things.
• Decisions about a career or job, deciding to focus on making a good living now, vs. taking a position
with a more promising future.
• You may talk to a woman, and you start to talk about something she likes and enjoys doing.
o Maybe you start to ask her about it (have a discussion with her - about her) and she mentions
various things about that subject.
o You select two items, two facets of that subject, and start to compare and contrast the two. What
is different about each? How are they the same? How are they experienced? What is good? What
is bad? etc.
o While talking about what she does like, you can anchor and link positive things to you!
o While talking about things she does not like, you can anchor those away from yourself; associate
them with things other than you, her, this meeting, and this situation that you are sharing.
• You talk to someone for a while and she say she likes scuba diving.
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o Maybe you ask about it, she mentions various things about it. She says she likes the aspect of it
being very quiet and serene under water. Also, she finds the experience of seeing new and
different things to be interesting as well.
o So we talk about the feeling of quiet, peace, and serenity on one hand
o and compare and contrast that to the feeling of something new and different on the other.
• Familiarity vs. Something New
• Control vs. Letting Go
• Safety and Excitement
• Liking someone mentally and/or physically
1) Pick some possession that you have that you REALLY like (car, computer, bike, clothes, etc). Now think of
what is opposite to that - same type of thing (another car, different computer, different style of clothing, etc).
Now talk out loud about each, and compare/contrast the two.
This example uses a very obvious "Like vs. Not-Like" set of things to compare and contrast.
2) Now take that same topic, and talk about it again, but this time put some effort into being very aware of the
positive and negative things that are being said, and anchor/link/point appropriately.
Be aware of your language! Throw in adjectives and adverbs. Be descriptive! Use pauses; change your tone
of voice, your pacing, etc. Maybe some of the language that you are using that may lend itself to be
embedded commands, etc.
Be vary aware that even when you are discussing the thing you "Like", that within that may be attributes that
are good, and those that are not good. Be mindful of that and anchor/link appropriately. In addition, the same
holds true even when discussing what you do NOT like.
3) Recall a recent conversation with someone you know, where they were really describing or talking about
something they like, and various things about that subject or topic that they like.
Re-enact that conversation again, and this time, offer the compare-contrast ways of discussing it. As in "so let
me make sure I understand this .." or ..."Oh, so if you like THAT, then I KNOW that you would NOT like THIS
...(because)...", etc. Use compare and contrast to talk about each of the attributes that your friend would say
they like about that subject.
Do the re-enactment again, and this time, be very aware of the positive and negative things that are being
said, and put effort into correct linking/anchoring/pointing to associate positive things to you, and negative
things ... somewhere else.
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Now do your best to speak out loud and "talk" about these for a while using a Compare and Contrast
structure.
There IS a very powerful aspect of this technique that is important to mention. There ARE many things that
people tend to THINK of in an "either-or" way. For example, Safety vs. Excitement. People tend to think you
have one OR the other.
However there ARE ways to have BOTH. By comparing and contrasting them, you can show someone how that
can be possible. Think about the possibilities, of having all of the positive aspects of Safety, and the positive
aspects of excitement, BOTH linked and anchored to YOU. YOU are then showing someone how BOTH of these
things can be experienced, together.
Two types of parts we can work with ... Parts of a subject, and parts of a person
This is a variation on the contrast principle, this just helps to keep things moving in a conversation. Too many
guys just blow things to quickly, and say (for example) "what do you like most about scuba diving" or "what is
the most fascinating thing about..." and that's ALL they talk about!
Yes, it is GOOD to focus on the positive aspects of what she likes, but when you go STRAIGHT for the BEST
thing that she likes the MOST, and that's ALL you discuss, it's too weak, and you lose out on spending a LOT of
time having them discuss something that she REALLY likes!
This is just a way to have a discussion. If you are talking about an interesting subject, theme, topic, etc. that is
fun, exciting, etc. then talk about all of the various aspects and parts of it.
Now this may seem tough - Who wants to talk about something that you are NOT interested in? However, this
provides a good way to train you to be able to talk and ask questions of people, and get them to talk about what
THEY are interested in. Who knows, you may end up liking the subject and find a new activity for yourself!
Don't worry that you will "give the wrong impression" by inquiring and discussing these "parts". Meaning, if you
are asking many questions about something that is NOT of interest to you, this doesn't necessarily show that you
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are interested in it (the subject). You are just asking, just curious. If someone asks you about this, just say "I like
learning about people, new things, what people do, etc."
This technique makes it easier to have conversations with people because THEY are giving you information and
ideas for new things to ask about.
Discussing many of the parts of a subject keeps the conversation going, allowing you time to gather information
and link yourself to good thoughts, feelings and emotions.
Examples
• Scuba Diving - Don't just "talk about" Scuba Diving! Or, don't just ask "What is the most exciting thing
about Scuba Diving?" That IS a good question, but if you start there, it's hard to talk about that subject
for a while. If she LIKES scuba diving, that an opportunity to talk for a WHILE about something she
likes, and enjoys, and she may have a lot of positive emotions and feeling associated with that - many of
which can be linked to you.
o Where have they dived?
o How did they get into it?
o What's their favorite place?
o Do they have their own equipment?
o Do they use different types of equipment for different locations?
o How long have they dived?
o Have they ever been in danger?
o Have they taken photos?
o Have they met interesting people?
o Has this exposed them to any other cool sports or activities?
o etc.
This isn't just a way for you to ask ask ask HER about things. Subjects come up, topics come up,... be
comfortable talking about all of the parts of that subject.
1) Pick a subject that you like, maybe a hobby, activity, sport, area of interest, artistic endeavor, etc. Now, list
various "things" about that subject, that you know, know about, like, don't like, etc.
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For example, if your subject was football, and you were going to have someone (who knows very little about
the subject) interview you and learn all about football, what parts about football would you want them to ask
about?
For your chosen subject, make a list of these parts. You should easily be able to come up with 10-20 items.
Subject:
2) Think of one of your friends or family members and some activity or topic that THEY are really into. This
should be someone you know well, and you have heard him or her talk about this, but hopefully this "subject"
is something you are not really into.
Now, if you were going to talk to them for like 30 minutes about that subject and were really going to ask them
about it, what would you ask about? What are all of the various things and aspects of it that YOU could
inquire about or that could come up in a discussion? These are the "parts" of that subject.
Write these down. You should be able to come up with at least 10 items.
Person:
Subject:
3) Now think of someone who you are NOT close to (that you do not know that well). Someone that you recently
met, or maybe someone in your life that you don't know very well, like a co-worker, maybe a cousin you
hardly see or talk to, someone you met at a party, etc.
Now think of something that THAT person is interested in or they are involved with. Maybe their hobby,
passion, a job they like, etc. If you have trouble, maybe pick a different "person" as your subject.
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The key here is that this is someone you don't see often, don't know really well, who is interested in
something that you are NOT familiar with.
If you were going to talk to them for like 30 minutes about that subject, and were really going to ask them
about it, what would you ask about? What are all of the various things and aspects of it that YOU could
inquire about? What are the PARTS you could ask about?
Write these down. Again, you should be able to list at least 10 items.
Person: "
Subject:
4) Think of another person and subject, like the exercise above. You know the person but you are not real close
to them. The subject they are interested in is something with which you are NOT familiar.
Now, out loud, off the "top of your head", mention like 10-15 different things you could ask or inquire about
that subject.
Person:
Subject:
1) Sometime soon, when you are speaking with a friend or family member that you know well, make a point to
have a good 10-15 minute conversation about a subject that THEY are really interested in, but with which you
are NOT familiar. Make a point to ask about many different parts of that subject.
2) Sometime in the future, when you are speaking with a person you do not know hardly at all (yet you feel you
will be able to talk to them for 10-15 minutes), make a point to have a good 10-15 minute conversation about
a subject that THEY are really interested in, but with which you are NOT familiar. Make a point to ask about
many different parts of that subject.
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In this context, "parts" are meant as in a personality trait, a way of thinking, or part of a person. This can be
VERY powerful.
A key concept to think about is to ALWAYS assume that there is a part of someone that does agree with you, or
has the same wishes that you do.
• If a person is shy, there is a more adventurous part to themselves
• If a person is outspoken, there is a more quiet side
• If a person is well-thought-out (thinks things through and takes time), there is a more decisive, more
spontaneous side to them.
Let's break this down. In a discussion, if a personality trait, a "side" to the person, a way of acting or being is
being discussed (and one that does not necessarily work in your favor) ...
• Acknowledge the first part that is being discussed, directly or indirectly
o For example, if the person is shy
o "I understand how some people are shy, they hold back, they are quiet.. etc."
• Bring up and acknowledge the fact that there is "another" part, or side, or view, or way of looking at
it, experiencing it...
o Either in general like "there may be another side"
o or more directly... "you may have the other side"
o or by example "I know someone like that, and I have found she has this other side, etc."
o "Many people like that also have another side to themselves, another part hidden away, that is
more ... adventurous ...."
o "You may have (or do have) another part (or side, etc)"
o "I know someone similar who as this other part to themselves, etc"
• Discuss this new or other "part"
o "With many people, that adventurous side is just waiting to come out, just looking for the right
time. In fact a friend of mine is very shy and one time, what she did ... etc."
• If this new or other "side" works more in your favor, lean more on the language and linking tools to
bring it out, make it be experienced, link it to you.
o "When you start to listen to this adventurous side .... etc."
• There will be a lot of this shown in examples here in this section and at the end of the program.
Because you are discussing several things, or parts, in a way you are also using Compare and Contrast as well. In
many ways, we are also reframing! We are changing the way they look at things, their reactions, their way of
walking through and looking at the world.
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• Many times you don't want to say "because there is another part" because that seems too direct, too
confrontational, it may sound like you are arguing or challenging the person, so be careful.
• Remember, you are NOT discussing this as to say, "you are wrong" or to show how smart you are! You
are just talking, having a conversation, etc.
• You can work around this issue (of possible confrontation) by saying things like
o "I think another way of looking at that trait is ...
o "Well, I understand you have that side to you. People have many sides to themselves. This one
side .... etc etc etc. There are also other sides to people ...
o "A friend of mine does that as well, and what I noticed about her is that she also has this other
side to her...
o "I have a friend who was "X" (where X is the trait being discussed), and she realized that she,
deep down, was also "Y".
o "I was reading somewhere about things like that and what it was saying was. ..."
Use Parts of a Person as a way to find, discuss, and evoke favorable states, feelings, and beliefs, even when the
other person claims or demonstrates that such parts are NOT there.
For every part of a person that will work against you, assume there is a part that will work WITH you.
Find a personality trait, way of thinking, or part of the person (mostly something which has a negative
connotation)
Acknowledge that personality trait, way of thinking, or part of the person by discussing or addressing it
Think about a personality trait, way of thinking, or part of the person that is somehow related (which works in
your favor) or somewhat opposite, that can work in your favor.
Introduce and discuss that "other part" in a way that works to your advantage.
Examples:
• Lets say that a person says they are not into taking challenges; they like to play things safe. Well, that
may be true but also there is another part of them ...
• Maybe someone says they can be jealous...
• Maybe someone is secretive...
• Maybe someone lies ... (not good in a person, but it can be handled ...)
What personality traits (or what other parts or ways of thinking) are similar? Which are somewhat opposite?
Write down 3 that are similar, and 3 that are opposite.
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Of those that you listed, which could you maybe "use" in a good way?
2) Think about how you would discuss the boring part, and then bring up this other "part" that you selected. Look
at the formula earlier, and some of the variations mentioned for language examples. Imagine a conversation
and how you might do this. Practice this out loud.
What personality traits (or what other parts or ways of thinking) are similar? Which are somewhat opposite?
Write down 3 that are similar, and 3 that are opposite.
Of those that you listed, which could you maybe "use" in a good way?
4) Think about how you would discuss that shy part, and then bring up this other "part" that you selected. Look at
the formula earlier, and some of the variations mentioned for language examples. Imagine a conversation and
how you might do this. Practice this out loud.
5) From the list you just made (and selected from), pick another part or trait. Now do a similar exercise again out
loud, but this time, be aware of opportunities to maybe mark off an embedded command or two (or more),
maybe do some linking an anchoring, use this/that/these/those ... etc.
6) Lets say someone says "I am not into meeting any new people right now" ... What personality traits (or what
other parts, or ways of thinking) are similar? Which are somewhat opposite? Think about 1-2 that you could
use.
Practice out loud how you might first discuss "I am not into meeting any new people right now" and then
transition into the other parts or traits that you selected.
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7) Do the above example again, but ROW see how many of the speaking and language tools you can use.
8) Lets say someone says they have trouble meeting new people, being open, trusting their own judgment...?
What other part, trait, etc could you discuss? Try that out loud.
What other part, trait, etc could you discuss? Try that out loud.
1) For the next week or two, make note of when you are having a personal conversation with anyone. See if
what they are saying describes or is pointing out any personality traits (or a "part" of themselves, or mentions
a "way of thinking").
After the conversation, make a note of these traits or parts. See if you can arrive at a similar part or trait that
you can discuss that could be used in your favor. Or, see if you could maybe think of an opposite one that
could be discussed.
2) After you have become more comfortable noticing such traits after-the-fact, see if you can notice them WHILE
talking to someone. You don't have to discuss them (yet) just make a point to note these traits, or parts,
WHILE talking to someone.
3) Now that you can recognize these traits when talking to someone, start to bring them up IN the conversation.
Use the formula and the variations mentioned earlier. Just notice the trait or part being mentioned,
acknowledge it, and then point out some other trait or part that might work in your favor somehow.
An easy way to do this is when a friend or acquaintance is being self-deprecating in some manner, or putting
him or herself down for some reason. See if you can note that "part" of who they are, and then find a way to
discuss another part that is more favorable or positive.
Listen to an example where I structure opportunities, and offer challenges to you on the audio.
You have probably heard the phrase "structure opportunities, and offer challenges" many times when studying
these materials. This area has caused some confusion, and has been a bit difficult for many to really understand
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and utilize. In this section, these concepts are broken down and offered to you in a way that will truly help you to
be able to use these powerful techniques.
If you know what people want to have, or want to be perceived as having, then by using their existing desires, you
are using processes that they ALREADY have in their minds.
For example if someone is intelligent, and wants to be seen as intelligent, then they already have mechanisms for
that in their mind. You then find some way to set things up so that choosing to listen to you, or be with you, is a
way for them to show their intelligence.
It's good to somehow work with structures and things that are already in someone's mind. If you can somehow
frame or map yourself as being a way for a person to fulfill things that someone already wants, this can be very
effective.
You are in, effect, using motivations that a person already has.
"Universal Wants" = Good. Work with universal things that people would like to have, or like to be perceived as
having.
• Use these general things and assume they are there.
• It's easy, but may not be the most effective strategy.
• These are also good and convenient for practicing and examples.
Universal Wants
• Confidence
• Maturity
• Security
• Self-Directed
• Intelligence
• Control
• Excitement
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• Notice particular things that this individual would like to have or be perceived as having
o She mentions wanting respect
o She defends her position, and discusses what is important to her
o She mentions something she likes or dislikes about a past boyfriend, etc
There are certain things you can assume that most people may want to have, or want to be perceived as having.
You can imply a "test" for these things by issuing a mini-challenge. You are challenging an ASSUMED desire (a
"Universal Want"), and challenging them in a way that says, "you can show me that you have the thing you
desire, by listening to me or agreeing with me".
• Mini-Challenges
o You might get this ...
o You seem smart enough ...
o You seem cool enough ...
o You seem like you may have good taste
o etc.
We assume here that with a mini-challenge, we are using one of these sort of "universal" wants, but if you can
find or work with specific wants or desires, that's even better.
Warning - This technique can be overused, and it can really annoy people if you do!
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1) Try piecing together items from the Universal Wants List, and Mini-Challenge Cheat Sheet, and see how
many combinations you can come up with.
Find something "X" that the person wants to have, or been seen as having
You can assume based on normal things that people want (Universal Want) or
Get information from talking (Particular Want)
Create an opportunity for them to get or demonstrate "X", by doing "Y"
Make "Y" something that works in your favor.
Challenge the person to do "Y".
Consider the wants and needs that a person may have ... (and again, here we have to "assume" things for the sake
of teaching) ...
• Confidence
• Maturity
• Security
• Self-Directed
• Intelligence
• Control
• Excitement
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You need to create an "opportunity" for each of these, where this opportunity benefits you (and hopefully
pertains to the situation).
Examples...
• Confidence - How can you create an opportunity for someone to appear confident (that works in your
favor)?
o Discuss people that YOU know, and how the confident ones are able to take chances and have
fun.
o Talk about how confident people can make their own choices, on their own, even if their friends
don't approve.
o Mention how confident people can meet someone new, and feel very comfortable with that.
o Let the person demonstrate how confident they are, by meeting this "challenge".
• Maturity - Think about maturity ... what does a mature person do? How are they seen? How do they
react?
o They make their own decisions
o They trust their own judgment
o They can decide to do something NOW.
o They can go against the grain.
o They can do exciting things.
o ... Talk about those things, talk about DOING them, and/or HAVING them.
Provide a way to demonstrate that they DO have what they want, or want to be seen as having Structure this so
that it is something that YOU would like them to do.
Provide an example of someone, or some way for this person to capture the opportunity
• Provide an example of something she can say or do...
• Provide an example from your own life.
• Maybe point out something a friend did ...
• Mention something that you have read.
How can you make that sound like a way for them to "show" something? How to create an opportunity?
• Here is a way for you to show me that you really have or was able to get X.
• Here is a way a friend of mine showed that they have or was able to get X.
• Here is how I read/heard that someone else had or was able to get X.
Create the opportunity for them to show or demonstrate that they have or are perceived as having, something they
want.
Challenges
Challenge them to get what they want, or show what they have.
Examples:
• Does she really want X and see how Y can get that?
• Does she really have X, and see how doing Y would demonstrate it?>
• Does she have what it takes to get X, by doing Y?
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• Does she want you to THINK she has X, then ... she may have to do Y to prove that..
• Can she see an opportunity to have "X", and do Y to get it?
• Can she do Y and make it happen?
• Can she see that Y will get her what she wants?
• Can she trust herself enough to do Y?
• etc.
Examples:
• Security
o Say she wants to feel secure. You talk about a friend who has always wanted to feel secure, and
she found that by taking chances and risks, she actually felt more secure about being able to take
care of herself. Is she ready to take chances? Take risks? Do something different? Maybe not ...
• Success
o Maybe "success" is important to her. You discuss success for a while, and mention that you read
somewhere that successful people tend to be able to trust their own judgment, their own intuition.
Later, you mention "We should get together sometime,.. I mean, as long as you trust yourself
enough to feel that is OK ..."
• Adventurous
o Maybe she wants to feel adventurous. You talk about that for a while, what this means to her,
how she may be adventurous. Then at some point you talk about you and her getting together, and
say something like "well, I don't know if you are adventurous enough for this, but...".
I know this is tricky. It's different from the way most guys think. It's NOT about creating an argument!
Again,
• Find out what someone wants.
• Find a way to map what YOU want, to be a way for them to get what they want.
• Challenge them to do that.
1) Make a list of some assumed things that many people may want to have, or be perceived as having. These
are your "Assumed Wants".
Assumed Wants
2) Write a Mini Challenge for each if the above items. Some examples are shown below, there are others shown
earlier.
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Mini Challenges
3) Practice the list of Mini Challenges you just created, out loud
4) Make a note of some of the ones you practiced that seem closest to something you could easily say or do
with people in your life. Practice these more, and go out and actually USE them for a while.
Note some of your favorites ones below, and focus on using these.
5) Think about some people that you know quite well like family, friends, co-workers, etc.
For each person, write down something that each wants to have, or wants to be perceived as having.
Hopefully these are specific to them, quite unique, and NOT just things from the "assumed" list. Write down
these "Wants".
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6) Consider the "want" that you identified from each of those persons above. Is there a way to create an
"opportunity" for them to get or achieve that? Can you somehow create an opportunity that can be "mapped"
in some way towards yourself, or that in some way could be interpreted, even subconsciously, as making
them look at you more positively, want to do what you wish, etc?
Give that some thought, and write them down. What is the opportunity, and how can you "map" it to yourself?
Write down these "Opportunities".
7) For each "want", and "opportunity", see if you can create a "challenge". Some way that questions ... are they
ready? Can they take action? Can they DO this?
Person Challenge
8) Practice each of those "Challenges" out loud. See if you can make it sound natural.
Example - A friend wants to be really good at a sport, and they spend a LOT of time practicing. (You want that
friend to lighten up and be able to spend more time going out and having fun.) So you challenge their
dedication to their sport by saying "I was reading about really good athletes and one thing that was pointed
out was that a lot of them really can get burned out. The good athletes find a way to relax and have fun, and
that allows them to be better at their sport." The "opportunity" is for them to be a better athlete. You are
"mapping" it to you because by doing what you discuss, they will be doing something that YOU want.
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9) As you become more familiar with these practiced challenges and opportunities, see if you can bring them up
in conversations over the next few weeks.
10) While you are talking to people for the next 1-2 weeks, really focus on what each person desires. What do
they "want". Try to guess, but also ask some questions and get into a discussion about it if possible.
11) For the next 1-2 weeks, do the same in terms of observing desires, but now also start to look for
"opportunities and challenges" in a way that directs their desires towards you, to do things that you would
want. Do what you can to bring these up while in the conversation if you can.
If you have studied this material for a while, you no doubt have heard many examples of "ambiguities". These are
those words or phrases that can mean more than one thing. They may have one meaning in one context, but in
another context, they mean something different.
This is one area that many guys actually ARE able to pick up and use easily if they have listened to the materials
enough. Listen, listen, listen, listen, so that you have heard them SO MANY TIMES, that these become familiar.
Although there could be a section in this course that deals with these areas, given that this IS an area that many
guys are able to do (with enough listening) and given the many OTHER areas that really DO need the assistance
of a program like this, we will not be doing any specific work on Ambiguities.
• SPEAKING POINTERS
o The "Cool" Factor
o Voice Tone And Tonality
o Pacing And Pausing
o Energy And Enthusiasm
• LANGUAGE TOOLS AND DETAILS
o Adjectives And Adverbs
o Trance Words
o Weasel Phrases
o Embedded Commands
o Linking
o Easy-Linking (This, That, These, Those)
• MORE TOOLS
o Pointing And Gestures
o Linking Gestures (Towards And Away)
o Easy Linking Expanded (Pointing With This, That...)
o Easy Anchoring - Point Or Touch On Positive And Negative
• LANGUAGE STRUCTURE AND TECHNIQUES
o Pace And Lead
" Topics and Subjects
* Mindset of Frame
• Current Reality
o Give Them A Reason
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o Listing
• General
• At the End
• Burying Items
o More And More
o Compare And Contrast
o Parts
• Parts of a Subject
• Parts of a Person
o Opportunities And Challenges
• Mini Challenges
• Opportunities And Challenges
o Ambiguities
These are the building blocks for good Language skills. These are the sorts of skills that are most workable when
they are truly "wired in" to someone, so that they are able to be used automatically.
To try to "remember" to do such things can be very difficult. That approach would make having a conversation
far too difficult and too much work!
The best way is to work with these techniques SO much that these truly are just a part of "how you talk". With
enough practice, and hearing these enough, you CAN have these become a part of how. YOU talk!
So listen, practice, do the exercises, do the assignments, and do that all again, until these really do become a part
of you, and a part of how you speak.
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The language tools you studied earlier are best used in the proper context, and in this section, we will learn how to
get the conversation into areas that will create that context.
When you use these tools, or even use "patterns", it's not enough to just "say it", there has to be the correct
CONTEXT for what is said! It's a process that she needs to go on and through with you. It's not enough to just
find a conversational excuse to "throw" a pattern (or language tool) AT her!
This section is about finding ways to just get into an interesting conversation and then towards and onto good
topics. We want this to seem natural, and with some understanding, practice, and a few key strategies and tactics
it will BE natural and automatic!
4.1 CHALLENGES
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4.1.1 Detailed And Specific Plans Are Just Not Workable. D8-T3
It's good to theorize to "say this", and then "say that", and then to use "this pattern", and "that pattern".
However, the problem is that a lot of time the proper context is not presented well enough.
The examples you may have seen in other products are just that, examples. The problem is that too many guys
have taken them literally! Guys try to do "X, Y, Z," exactly, in order, with no sense of calibration, or being able to
work and re-direct things in real time. Therefore, detailed tactical plans are not realistic.
Say you are in Chicago, and want to go to Los Angeles. You could have a detailed map of every turn and road,
exact route numbers and lengths, etc. The problem is... what do you do if there is a detour? What if the road is
changed, what if the map is wrong? You are lost!
What if, instead, we teach you how to drive the car, and give you a general set of directions like "keep driving
west, until you see the ocean, then turn left (south)". That way, you can handle just about any turns, roads, or
detours that you may encounter!
Conversations are different from roads too, because people are all unique, situations, times, surroundings etc. are
unique and change from moment to moment. Therefore, if you want to get a conversation to go a certain way,
then detailed plans made ahead of time are hard to work with. There are too many variables!
We need a workable set of strategies and tactics that allows you, in real-time, to direct things the way that you
want them to go. They need to be easy to follow, and easy to use, and something that you don't need to "think
about", but can just DO easily.
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So we need a general set of guidelines, some overall strategies and tactics, so that you can have this good,
intuitive sense of how to "steer" things, and get conversations to where you want them to go. As long as you are
engaging a woman's emotions, capturing & leading her imagination, then you are moving in the right direction.
Then, in that situation and in that context, linking all the positive & powerful things to you becomes more
workable.
Instead of a map, we are giving you a "compass". We need a strategy for managing conversations that can to
do this gradually, in a way that seems natural! If it's too abrupt or makes the conversation strained, it will sound
weird.
The strategy must LEAD the conversation towards good topics and subjects in a way that seems natural, and is
not TOO abrupt.
When we control conversions, we need to find a way to take it gradually in a new direction. Many guys try to do
the hard and fast switch, and they crash in the process! We will learn to move things in a way that makes it seem
natural, but it will be deliberate.
It's important to get conversations into the right area and have HER go along with you. Not just "bring it up" (a
topic or pattern), but it must be natural and she must "go along" with it and be a PART of it. She must be actually
THINKING about what you are discussing!
It has to happen naturally. No weird jumps. It's not enough to just talk; she must BE a part of the conversation!
So, don't just "jump" to a topic. Don't find an "excuse" to bring it up. Take the conversation there, take her
WITH you, and have her be a part of it!
What really helps is to have a genuine interest (or at least curiosity) in her and the conversation, not just
thinking to yourself; "How can I use this?"
How does this really occur? We will break this down so that we have a way to really affect this process.
How do conversations happen? Most of them occur somewhat randomly as the conversation flows from topic to
topic over time, and can end up almost anywhere after a while. By the time YOU move from one topic to the next,
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you may end up in a very different place from where you began. However, there is a series of steps as things
move forward, as shown in Figure 4.2.1-1.
Each of these steps between topics tends to be related. Topic 1 relates to Topic 2. Topic 2 relates to Topic 3, etc.
For example, you can start to talk about Cars, and then move to one aspect of that topic, Car Seats. Then it's easy
to move to some aspect of that topic, which maybe something that seats are made of, like Leather. Then maybe
you talk about Leather Furniture, etc. (See Figure 4.2.1-2.)
After a series of such steps, you can be at a quite different topic (like an apartment that you used to live in) even
though you started at a quite different topic (Cars).
In most cases, it's very difficult to predict where a conversation will go after many of these steps. As you go
through a few topic shifts (as shown in the diagrams), although each individual shift relates to the topic before and
after that shift, after a series of shifts you can end up talking about almost anything!
Therefore, even if you start the conversation at a great topic, you can get off-track and into topics that will not
work in your favor.
Conversely, what is needed is a way to start at almost any topic at all, and by steering that process (of moving
from Topic 1, to Topic 2, Topic 3, etc) take the conversation into better and better topic areas that will serve your
purposes.
If you start at a topic, how do you go to another one? This process happens all of the time very easily. The key is
that the movement from one topic to the next takes places easily because there are so many options involved.
From any topic (Topic 1) it is easy to flow to any of 6-8 other, related topics (Topic 2 Candidates). People usually
just "talk" and naturally the conversation moves from the first topic to the next one. Since the "next" topic is
related, this process seems natural and is easy to do. In fact, you do this all the time without really knowing about
it. (We are creating a model to describe a process that happens naturally, so that we can teach you a way to have
an affect on that process).
Figure 4.2.2-1 shows how from one topic, the conversation can flow easily to many related topics.
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Once the conversation moves to one of these eight topics, it's easy to move to one of eight more. For example if
in Figure 4.2.2-1, the conversation flows from "Cars" to "Where you bought it" (as in, where you bought the car),
then now we have a situation like that shown in Figure 4.2.2-2.
Now from the topic of "Where you bought it" (a car), there are easily eight places that you can go from there,
shown as the "Topic 3 candidates". This process continues throughout a conversation.
This process happens regardless of the specific topics being discussed. Conversations flow from topic to topic, as
shown in a general manner in Figure 4.2.2-3.
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In many ways, the Figures that have been shown so far only show a small portion of the total topics towards
which a conversation can flow. In general, since it's so easy to go from any topic to 6-8 others, you can have up to
eight different ways to go at EACH step, and at each step after that. When this happens in succession, you can end
up with the conversation going almost anywhere!
Figure 4.2.2-4 shows what happens when all the topics are considered. If Topic 1 can lead to eight different
candidates for Topic 2, then EACH of the eight different candidates for Topic 2 can then lead to their own eight,
an so on. This results in easily over 500 topics that could be selected by the time we arrive at Topic 4! In only
three shifts of the topic ("topic shifts" as shown in the figure) we end up with many many possibilities of where
the conversation might end up.
Do you see why the pre-planned approaches can be difficult?! Even if you ARE able to have the conversation
start from a specific place (Topic 1), there is no way to know exactly where it will end up by the time you have
moved forward a few steps! Imagine trying to predict ahead-of-time exactly where you may arrive (among those
512 options), when talking to some random person.
With some skill and technique, you can affect this process (and we will teach that to you). However, the plans that
many guys try to use to "Talk about X, then talk about Y, then talk about Z" are very difficult to really work with,
because there are SO many ways that things can go!
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We can create a general Conversation Model that shows this process (Figure 4.2.2-5). As seen in the diagram, a
conversation may start from one topic or subject (Topic 1). It then can flow easily to maybe 6-8 others (the
diagram shows fewer for the sake of clarity). Once Topic 2 has been discussed, it can flow from there, and so on.
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There are SO many ways it can flow, that they become far too many to shown in the diagram. The diagram only
shows a small fraction of them (so that the diagram is not even more cluttered than it already is!). In fact, if you
assume that from any topic you could go to any of 8 other topics, then for that diagram to be really accurate it
would have to show over 30,000 different subjects or topics that could be discussed by the time you are at "Level
6" in the conversation!!
The KEY concept the needs to be understood to gain the ability to manage conversations, is an awareness of this
phenomenon that is called the "Topic Turning Point".
If you are discussing one specific topic, it is quite easy to move from that onto 6-8 related topics. This process of
moving from the first topic to one of 6-8 relevant topics is the process of moving through a "Topic Turning Point"
as shown in Figure 4.2.3-1.
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Candidate
Topics
For example, after one topic has been discussed for a short while, the conversation can then move to another
topic; the conversation "shifts" slightly. Someone might make a comment, introduce an idea, ask a question, make
a statement, etc. However, as long as the new topic is "related" to the first (this is shown in the diagram by the
"candidates") then this change is easy to do.
The key thing to realize is that this process of Topic Turning Point (TTP) selection occurs over and over, and
throughout a conversation. Therefore, the overall flow of a conversation comes about due to many of these TTP
choices being made. A general way of looking at this process is shown in Figure 4.2.3-2
Topic
Turning
Points
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Normally, no one is "deciding" the TTPs. This selection just "happens". However, with some awareness of this
process, and some training (which ... is coming soon...) then you CAN direct how a conversation flows, and do
so in a way that sounds VERY natural.
IMPORTANT:
The overall direction of a conversation comes about due to a successive selection of TTPs. By manipulating
TTPs from moment to moment, you can direct where the overall conversation goes.
Look in the diagrams, and imagine if you had a general way to manipulate these TTPs. Can you see how you may
be able to affect where a conversation goes? You might not be able to predict EXACTLY where it ends up, but
you will have some control over the overall direction. That ability alone is enough for our purposes.
As you have probably guessed by now, we are going to later teach you a way to be able to make these TTP
selections, moment-to-moment, to "route" conversations so that they end up being the kinds of conversations that
YOU want to have, and that work in YOUR favor.
So how can you actually affect the flow of a conversation, easily and naturally? That IS the point, isn't it?
In general, conversations tend to go in one of several ways. The flow of the conversation starts, choices are made
moment to moment, and the conversation tend to into one of four general areas.
So to start our process of learning how to manage conversations, we want to first start to steer things in the best
general manner; we want the conversation to be positive, fun, and interesting. The overall strategy at the
beginning is then to "talk about positive, fun, interesting things". (See Figure 4.3.1-1.)
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General Conversational
Management
Conversations tend to flow in one of four
major ways, so from the earliest
stages, steer towards
Fun, Positive, and
Interesting
topics and
subjects.
To steer the conversation in a good direction, bring up positive, fun, interesting things.
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Look at the overall flow of a conversation and break it down to its smallest point that we can affect, the TTP.
Moment-to-moment, you make note of where you are in the conversation. You then think of several ways you can
go (the related topics, TTP options, the topic "candidates" that were shown earlier), and then steer things in the
correct direction. You think of the "candidates" (the related topics or subjects that you can discuss) that serve you
at the time, and then you move things in that direction!
Remember - The overall direction of a conversation comes about due to a successive selection of TTPs. By
manipulating TTPs from moment to moment, you can direct where the overall conversation goes.
For any subject, as we discussed earlier, you can always think of 6-8 other related topics or subjects. So you just
think to yourself "Where can I go that is fan, positive, and interesting" and just move things in that direction.
Which Of
these are
Fun,
Positive,
and
Interesting?
That is the
direction to
go!
Candidate
Topics
Figure 4.3.2-1: Topic Turning Point Navigation for General Conversational Management
No matter what subject you start talking about, move things towards the related topics that are
"Fun, Positive, and Interesting".
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Later in the conversation, you can work more towards certain topic areas, but in the early part of the conversation,
the most important thing to do is to focus on moving thing in a direction that is ... "fun, positive, and interesting".
As you make TTP choice after TTP choice (See Figure 4.3.3-1.), you get to an overall "area" that will work. You
are steering things towards the direction that you want the conversation to go. (See Figure 4.3.3-2.)
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General
Conversational Mgt
Model
No matter where you start,
or where you are, always
move towards topics and
subjects that are
Fun, Positive,
and Interesting!/
1) Think of some conversations that you have been in recently, and write down the topic for each. At some
particular moment early in the conversation, what was the main topic?
Topics
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2) Based on each of those topics, consider it a topic that leads to a TTP (copy each item above into the "Topic"
area below). For each of those Topics, list 6-8 different ways you could go, things you could comment on, ask
about, directions you could "take" the conversation (these are the TTP Options, or Candidate Topics). Write
each of those down.
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3) Of the 6-8 different TTP Options you have written above for each Topic, which are the best? Which of these
would move the conversation in a way that is best for you (think of "Fun, Positive, and Interesting")? Select
two "candidates" and circle or highlight those two.
4) For each Topic, what would it have been like to have moved the conversation in the direction of the first item
you circled? Practice that out loud for each Topic above, maybe by making a comment, asking a question,
making a statement, etc., whatever it might take to move things in that direction.
5) Practice again on each by moving things in the direction of the second item that was circled.
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1) For the next week or so, really be aware of the TTP opportunities in your day-to-day life.
When talking to anyone, even at the start of a conversation, look for moments where things can be "steered"
in a certain way. Make it so that it becomes easy for you to come up with a list of "options" very quickly. At
any moment you should be able to think "Where can I go with this?".
At first, you may have to think of 6-8 options, but the REAL key is to at least get to the point where you can
very quickly think of at least 1 or 2 ways to go that are Fun, Positive, Interesting.
If this is a challenge for you, don't worry, It WILL get easier. Maybe start out by looking at conversation after
the fact, thinking "what COULD I have done, where COULD I have taken things". Do this for a while until the
process of finding 1 or 2 good "Ways to go" in a conversation (good TTP options) can happen very rapidly for
you.
2) Now that you are able to quickly find 1 or 2 good TTP options, start to take the conversation there! Ask a
question, make a comment, inquire about something, maybe offer an opinion; whatever it takes. Just do what
you can so that the TTP shifts in a direction that is fun, positive, interesting."
• The overall direction of a conversation comes about due to a successive selection of TTPs (which
normally occur at random, or without an overall strategy in mind).
• By manipulating TTPs from moment to moment, you can direct where the overall conversation goes.
By moving things in this way, the conversation becomes more enjoyable for everyone.
You may start to find however, that no matter WHAT you do with some people, they will not go down a path of
having a fun, interesting, and positive conversation. You then have to wonder - Is that the sort of person you want
to talk to and spend time with? Maybe not.
In general, we are turning you into someone that people LIKE to talk to! You know the type of person that people
enjoy talking to, having conversations with, and spending time with? The type of guy that people seek out to
spend time with? The more you do these types of exercises, the more YOU can and will become that guy!
We want the conversation to be more than just positive; we want it to be really interesting, engaging, fascinating,
etc. After a while, we want to work with topics that get the emotions involved, the imagination moving, and
people REALLY interested. We want to focus the aim of our conversational management skills even more.
Building on what we learned in the last section, we can start to direct the conversation into an even BETTER area.
Instead of the more general area of fun, positive and interesting topics, we want things to get even more
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interesting. We move forward and want to get a more emotional tone, more excitement, and more involvement of
the imagination. (See Figure 4.4.1-1.)
We use our strategy of working with the TTPs, to "steer" things even more towards what we want. To move the
conversation into more interesting areas, you move it in ways that engage the emotions and imagination in a
positive way.
To direct the conversation into even BETTER areas, steer the conversation towards directions that
engage the emotions and imagination in a positive way.
With that as a general strategy, how do we work that in what we are doing moment-to-moment? How can we do
things that will make that happen?
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4.4.2 Steering Conversations Moment To Moment using Advanced Conversational Management D8-T35
Again, we look at the concept of the TTP, and with that strategy in mind, we need to use the TTP as a way to move
things in the right direction. (See Figure 4.4.2-1.)
TTP Mantra
" Where can I go that will engage her emotions and imagination in a positive manner?
Keep thinking - Where can I go that will engage her emotions and imagination in a positive manner?
Move the conversation in that direction.
Repeat.
Which of these
"Engage the
TTP Emotions and
imagination in a
Fun, Positive, Positive Way"?
Interesting
Topics
That is the
direction to go!
Candidate
Topics
Figure 4.4.2-1: Topic Turning Point Navigation for Advanced Conversational Management
After using General Conversational Management for a while, we can assume that we are talking
about subjects which fit into the "Fun, Positive, and Interesting" area. With that established, we
shift the focus of how we navigate TTPs, but now think "where can I go that will engage the
emotions and imagination in a positive way".
4.4.3 The Model With Advanced Strategy And Tactics In Place D8-T38
(Before we move on to looking at the model, we need to change the way the model is shown, and explain a bit
more as to its meaning and interpretation. See Figure 4.4.3-1 for an explanation.)
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We started at one topic, and could be at any of thousands of topics after 6, 8, 10 topic shifts. For a while, we
focused the conversation towards moving things in a direction that is "Fun Positive and Interesting. After that has
been established, we now focus more on moving in a direction that will "Engage the Emotions and Imagination in
a Positive Way". If you refer to Figure 4.4.3-2, you can see how General Conversational Management, and then
Advanced Conversational Management, are used together to move forward in a conversation.
If you follow these two simple strategies together (and the tactical approach of simply watching the TTPs and
moving things in the right way), the conversation will get better and better. As time goes on, the conversation will
get more and more of an "emotional" tone to it. The subjects will get more and more fascinating. And of course
while doing that, if you use the language tools which we learned about earlier in the course, you end up linking
and associating many fascinating, exciting, emotional topics, subjects, feelings, and states, to yourself!
Advanced Conversational
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1) Think of some conversations that you have been in recently, and write down the topic for each. These should
be conversations where it is already obvious that it is a fun, positive, and interesting conversation. At some
particular moment in that conversation, what was the main topic?
Topics
2) Based on each of those topics, consider it a topic that leads to a TTP (copy each above into the "Topic" areas
below). For each of those Topics, list 6-8 different ways you could go, things you could comment on, ask
about, directions you could "take" the conversation (these are the TTP Options, or Candidate Topics). Write
each of those down.
a.
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3) Of the 6-8 different TTP Options you have written above for each Topic, which 1 or 2 would tend to "Engage
the emotions and imagination in a positive way"? Which ones move things in a way that is best for you?
Select two "candidates" and circle or highlight these two.
4) For each Topic, what would it have been like to have moved the conversation in the direction of the first item
you circled? Practice that out loud for each Topic above, maybe by making a comment, asking a question,
making a statement, etc., whatever it might take to move things in that direction.
5) Practice again on each by moving things in the direction of the second item that was circled.
1) For the next week or so, really be aware of the TTP opportunities in your day-to-day life, but be especially
aware of wanting to move things to "Engage the emotions and imagination in a positive way". This is best
when applied to a conversation that is ALREADY fun, positive, and interesting.
At first, you may have to think of 6-8 options, but the REAL key is to at least get to the point where you can
very quickly think of at least 1 or 2 ways to go that "Engage the emotions and imagination in a positive way".
If this is a challenge for you, don't worry, It WILL get easier. Maybe start out by looking at conversation after
the fact, thinking "what COULD I have done, where COULD I have taken things".
Do this for a while, until the process of finding 1 or 2 ways to go that "Engage the emotions and imagination in
a positive way" in a conversation can happen very rapidly for you.
2) Now that you are able to quickly find 1 or 2 good TTP options for yourself that "Engage the emotions and
imagination in a positive way", start to take the conversation there!
Ask a question, make a comment, inquire about something, maybe offer an opinion... whatever it takes. Just
do what you can so that the TTP shifts in a direction that can "Engage the emotions and imagination in a
positive way".
4.5.1 More About Getting The Conversation To Go Where You Really Want. D8-T47
As you can see, we are "steering" things more and more in a direction that we wish to go. So, what next?
At some point in the conversation, we want to steer things more towards romantic, fascinating, seductive things,
even things with some degree of sensual connotation to them.
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To further direct the conversation into even BETTER areas, steer the conversation towards romantic, fascinating,
and seductive things.
Keep thinking - "Where can I go that will get me closer towards romantic, fascinating, seductive things?"
Move the conversation in that direction.
Repeat.
This may seem odd or hard to do. However, if you have been in a conversation for a while, and followed the other
strategies and tactics shown earlier, you will have taken things in the right direction and this will be much easier.
Moving towards romantic, fascinating, seductive things is much easier after you have first move towards fun,
positive and interesting thing, and then topics that engage the emotions and imagination.
4.5.3 The Model With More Advanced Strategy And Tactics In Place D8-T52
We are just closing in, and focusing more and more towards areas and topics that work. This gets her mind into
thinking more and more about these things, and associating YOU with them! (See Figure 4.5.3-1.)
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More Advanced
Conversational
Management Model
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Using these Conversational Management skills in the real world may be quite different in practice from the way
most guys "think" it will happen. Moreover, the way it really DOES happen, will work in your favor.
Guys assume that they will travel from a general topic, to a positive one, and then an emotional one, then a
sensual one, and then - MAGIC! However that is NOT the way it works in the real world.
Too many guys are too caught up in this one-shot dream of traveling once across the model and getting an
amazing result. (See Figure 4.6.1-1.)
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The real world has stops, starts, restarts, etc. The conversation starts, goes for some distance through the model
(maybe all the way through), and then at some point.... You back up to a more general topic. This actually
works better!
We are actually using Fractionation. This is where a process is done repeatedly over and over. So, you take a
conversation from the early stages through the process. Then you "back up" to some extent (even all the way back
to a very general topic area) and then move forward across the model again. And again. Maybe several times.
This actually ADDS to the power and effectiveness of what you are doing. Because no matter where you start
from, the conversation ends up being very interesting and fascinating!
Start at some normal topic and move through the model towards the right. Then at some point, you back off. You
might do that on your own, or maybe the conversation shifts back to that place due to something she says. No
problem. You just start the process again.
Maybe you start from a very general topic and get all the way through the model towards a very very fascinating
topic or subject. Great! Talk about that for a while. Have fun, Use the language tools,... and then ... you go back
towards something more "normal".
When we say "go back", you may jump back just several steps in our Conversational Management Process.
Maybe you move all the way back to a very "normal" topic (which would be all the way on the left side of the
model). No problem. Just start the process again.
a) Start at any topic (you are on the far left side of the Model)
b) Move forward towards the right, using the Conversational Management techniques
c) Get as far through the model as you can.
d) If you get to a very good place, stay there and talk about it for a while.
Of if you can't seem to get to a good place, move on to the next step.
e) Then move back (towards the left side of the model) This may happen because:
• The person you are talking to does that (she asks a question)
• Or maybe you do it (just to lighten things up)
f) Then start again, moving through the model towards the right.
g) Do the whole process over and over.
In this way, no matter where you start, no matter how the conversation jumps around, you are always moving
towards positive topics, emotional and imaginative topics, and fascinating and seductive topics. (See Figure 4.6.3-
1.)
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Conversational
Fractionation at Work
You become one of those fascinating guys, that no matter WHAT you talk about, it ends up being fun, interesting,
and fascinating!
With this new strategy of using Conversational Fractionation, there is no such thing as a conversational "Dead
End"!
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If you happen to take a "wrong turn" somehow and get into an area of discussion that is boring, uninteresting, or
maybe negative, etc.; No problem. Just back up, and use the Strategy and Tactics of the Conversational
Management techniques!
Look at "Dead Ends" as being just like a bad turn on a road, you just back up, and go down another path!
• Where can I go that will engage her emotions and imagination in a positive manner?
• Move things in that direction. Do that for a while and then think ...
• Where can I go that will get me closer towards romantic, fascinating, seductive things?
• Move things in that direction. —*
Keep moving the conversation into these interesting fascinating areas ... and the person becomes interested and
fascinated, with you!
Well, you might have just found out that they are NOT someone you want to spend time with! That's not a total
loss because you STILL learned more, talked more, have more material to use in conversations in the future!
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5.0 TOPICS
D9-T11
What do you talk about? As the conversation gets more interesting, fun, fascinating, to get the
best effect you will have to be a PART of that conversation and familiar with the topics that
may come up. You want to be able to discuss these topics easily, especially as they get more
interesting, fascinating, and closer towards the subjects that will really serve your intent.
Talking about these topics may be a challenge for many men. Most men may not be very familiar with many of
the topics that we REALLY want to get into. However, this is something we can and will work on with you.
There is no substitute for experience. The more experience you get, the more familiar you will be with these
topics, and then the more "material" you will have. You will be able to say things like "I was talking to someone
about this the other day, and THEY said...", and that statement (regarding having actually talked to someone
about the topics) will be TRUE! So, the more you talk to people about such things, the easier it will get.
In the meantime, what can we do here in this course to help you? We have talked about the way to talk and use
language; we have talked about managing conversations. Now we want you to become familiar with topics that
will really work well for you!
We are going to work with some of these topics, so that YOU have some material, some practice, and some
familiarity with this type of thing.
• Themes are a way through a discussion or through the "tree of subjects" that we showed earlier.
• A topic is a particular area of discussion that is taking place in a moment.
Few things are more compelling in a person than for them to be passionate about something (hopefully many
things) in life. Can you talk passionately about something? Anything? Hopefully, yes!
How well can you talk about topics that YOU are passionate about while using many of the language tools we
talked about in the earlier parts of the course? If you can do that very well - great! It's easier to use the language
tools if you are discussing topics with which you are familiar, and it's even better if you are passionate about
those topics.
However, if using those language tools is problem for you, then you may want to go back in those earlier sections,
and while talking about subjects and topics that YOU are really passionate about, go ahead and practice! (Or
maybe do that the next time you go through the course.)
Before you can use the language tools with new subjects that you are learning about, you should be able to use
them with subjects in which you are already interested!
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So, judge for yourself. How good are you at the earlier sections that dealt with the language tools? It may be a
good idea to go back over those sections, and emphasize discussing topics in which YOU are interested and
passionate about.
In the context of this course (and your intent in talking with ... someone) some topics are easier to work with than
others. You may talk about cars, or sports, or the office, or cleaning the toilet, but how effective are those as
subjects given the "purpose" of the discussion?
You want to discuss topics and things which deal with seduction, or, at least... Topics that access emotions,
feelings, excitement, etc. in some ways.
You want to be able to discuss topics that deal on some level with Seduction, or topics that are very close to that
concept. These are called "Seduction Oriented Topics".
Seduction Oriented Topics (SOTs) - Topics that bring up images and thoughts that are romantic, sensual,
and seductive.
SOTs are the "end goals" when it comes to managing or directing a conversation. Your point is to get to, or near,
a topic that is an SOT. The conversational management sections will help you to move the conversation in a way
that will get you near these topics areas.
Examples of SOTs
• Connections
• Going for it
• Making good decisions
• Surrendering to feelings
• Getting excited
• Feeling excited
• Trusting your judgment
• Taking chances
• Indulgence
• Maturity
• Good decisions
• ...just TALKING about these can create a good effect, but doing so while using the language tools, can
create an AMAZING effect!
When you do get a conversation into an area near an SOT, stay there as long as you can! Talk about it, work it,
and link it to you!
You want to be familiar with these topics (SOTs) and able to discuss them easily: maybe not ALL of them, but a
good number of them. (Every guy has his favorites and ones that work best for him.)
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These topics may seem foreign to you, but the more you think about them, the more you practice, the more you
work with the materials, and the more you talk to and with people about them, the easier it will get!
SOTs are topics that, by there very nature, bring up images and thoughts that may work for you. Get the
conversation there, keep it there, and while there, use as many of the language tools as you can.
1) Build your own list of SOTs. You can use some of those that were listed earlier if you wish, and hopefully add
some of your own. Think about other topics you have heard mentioned in this program, and also topics that
you have heard in other materials and products that you have. Write down your list of SOTs.
2) You must become familiar with these! You must be able to talk about them, ask about them, have stories
about them, or joke about them.
Don't worry about talking to women, or seduction per se, or anything like that. Think of SOME way to discuss
these, hopefully some way that involves you and your own life. Or, talk about something you heard, read, or
even watched in a movie! (Or heard in a course that you took .... Or are taking!)
- Are you able to somehow relate to these in your own life? Maybe something you read or heard? Maybe
questions you can ask? ANYTHING?!?!? You do not need to "know" a lot about these topics or be an expert,
you JUST need to be able to talk, or ask questions, or comment on them!
3) Practice talking about each aloud, using as many of the language tools as you can.
Eventually, the more you practice using the tools, and discuss these subjects, the easier it will be to "riff" on
these using the language tools. Meaning, you will be able to just "talk" about the subject while using the tools
that are available, easily, and without "thinking" about the language tools.
1) Pay attention to conversations in your life (even things you hear on the radio, or on TV, or in movies, or
overhear from others) and listen for when any of these SOTs come up in conversation.
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Listen to what is being said. The more you hear, the more you listen, then the more material YOU will have to
talk about. (As in, "the other day I heard someone talking about....").
Make special note of topics that are CLOSE or similar to these SOTs in some way.
2) Now - Talk about these subjects and topics! Make a point to enter into a discussion when one of your SOTs is
mentioned, or even when anything CLOSE to one of your SOTs is discussed. Maybe ask some questions
about things that deal with your SOTs, ask an opinion, ask what something means, make a comment,
anything at all!
Talk, ask, discuss, quote, show interest. Use as many of the language tools as you can.
SOT Summary
I KNOW that these topics may seem foreign to you. That is understandable, and frankly, this is one of the key
challenges that many guys face. However, after having worked with hundreds of guys, I can tell you that it DOES
get easier and easier to be able to talk about these things. Really!
Learning to discuss such things may start out slowly, but we are walking you through (at least the first steps of)
the process to make this easier:
See? We are working on a process to get you to become more comfortable and familiar with these things.
However, this process must start somewhere. It may start a bit slowly and awkwardly, but as long as you start it,
and move through these exercises and assignments, it WILL get easier.
Many guys who can now talk about these things VERY easily and comfortably started from a place of
having NO idea of what to say! They changed. They did it. They started and became more and more familiar
with these topics. So can you.
What if you had not just 10 ways of discussing "Seduction Oriented" subjects, but had even more? Maybe 50?
What if that was easy and familiar for you?
Think back to how we looked at topics earlier. We learned how you can move from any topic, and easily come up
with 6-8 related topics. That's what we want to do here, but this time with SOTs. These are called Expanded
SOTs (SOTXs).
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"Connections" is an SOT. That is one subject, but can you think of 6-8 different aspects of this? (Remember what
we did in the earlier sections, how we discussed a Topic Turning Point?)
If Connections is a particular subject, can you think of different aspects of that? Parts of Connections? Questions
about Connections? Ways of experiencing Connections? People or things with which you can experience
Connections?
By asking those types of questions (to yourself), you can take any SOT, and build a whole list of very similar
things to talk about -which are SOTXs! For example, see Figure 5.3-1.
...with family
...with friends
...with coworkers
...with pets
...with a girlfriend
...with music
If "Connections" is an SOT, the SOTX list consists of all of these items shown in the diagram and listed below.
(You do not really need to list "connections with" for each. That just makes it easier for our example below).
SOT SOTX
Connections Connections with family
Connections with friends
Connections with coworkers
Connections with pets
Connections with a girlfriend
Connections with someone you just met
Connections with someone while on vacation
Connections with music
Connections with your teammates
Many guys worry about talking about something like "Connections". They think of only one way of talking about
that subject, or only one aspect of that to discuss (connections in a romantic or sensual context). However as we
see here, there are many different types or examples of connecting to people, places, and things that can be
discussed.
Instead of worrying about getting to that one topic (SOT) in a certain way, you now have 6-8 ways to discuss it.
Look at the list above; if friends, family, coworkers, pets, etc. comes up in a conversation, you can talk about that
for while. Then, how easy would it be to talk about how you CONNECT with those? And if you talk about
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THAT (how you connect in that manner) for a while, then you can shift towards ANOTHER type of "connection"
very easily! (See Figure 5.3-2.)
Family
Friends
Coworkers
Pets
Connections
A girlfriend
Someone you just met
Someone met on vacation
Music
Teammates
For example, if someone is talking about pets, then you can shift to talking about "how you can connect with a
pet" fairly easily. Just make a comment, ask a question, point out an example regarding pets, and how you (or
someone else) can connect with a pet. If you talk about that for a while, it's very easy to then shift...to ... how to
connect with people, or a special person, or maybe even someone... that you just met!
When you expand SOTs in this way, all of a sudden there are many MORE ways to get to these really GREAT
topics!
1) Take the SOT list you had earlier (copy those down into the first column below, a, b, c, etc.) and for each
SOT, you are to list 5 (at least) related topics, or different aspects of that topic, or how that topic can be
experienced. This is your SOTX list.
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2) Now for each SOTX, practice talking about it out loud. Talk about that SOTX for a moment or two, and see if
you can then focus what you are saying towards the SOT itself. (Like the earlier example, you talk about pets,
then about connecting with pets, then about connecting in general.)
3) Do the same thing again, but now do so while using the language tools.
Step back and look at what you have done! You have 10 SOTs with which YOU are familiar. You have 50
SOTXs that you are now familiar with as well. That gives you a LOT of flexibility in conversations!
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1) Look at all of your SOTXs! That's a LOT of subjects! Pay attention in your life to see how often any of those
items come up in conversation (or maybe you just hear them somewhere). Maybe you will even start to notice
SOTXs that were not even ON your list. You may think, "I didn't list that SOTX, but it IS related to an SOT that
I have worked with".
The more familiar you are with these subjects, spotting these opportunities get easier and easier. It ALL gets
easier!
2) Start to "direct" the conversations you encounter where your SOTXs are mentioned. See if you can move the
conversation a bit towards the SOT itself. In addition, use the language tools if and whenever you can.
Summary
You now have MORE material to work with than you ever thought possible! This is not about memorizing; it's
about getting YOU comfortable and familiar with these topics.
The more you work with this, the easier it will be to notice SOTXs, and move the conversation towards SOTs.
You will start to notice this, concept of "topics related to a topic" in many many places. Good speakers, especially
politicians and activists, use such techniques a LOT. The techniques that you have learned are the sort of things
that many people do naturally. We have broken these down, modeled the process arid the steps involved, broke it
into bits and pieces that you can learn and do as exercises, and then built upon that step by step.
We discussed how to develop an SOTX list from an SOT. However, that process can work both ways. The real
usefulness of this is when you reverse the order as shown in Figure 5.4-1.
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So whenever you are having a conversation, and anything like an SOTX comes up in the discussion, you now see
how easy it can be to move over to an SOT! In fact, you have practiced with so many of these SOTXs, that this
process will now be easier than you may have imagined.
The point here (again) is not to memorize the SOTs, or the SOTXs. It's to have you practice and become familiar
with them., and for you to just start to "recognize" these things on your own - without "thinking" about them. If
you have followed the program, and done the exercises and assignments, this will start to happen for you. After
all, you have already worked with 10 SOTs and 50 SOTXs as shown in Figure 5.4-2.
SOTXs SOTs
Since SOTXs and SOTs are the "goals" in terms of managing a conversation, we can then show them as part of
our Conversational Model. As the topics get better and better, you will get closer and closer to SOTXs, and then
towards SOTs. Figure 5.4-3 shows this in the model itself.
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Management Model
The end goal is to get to, or as close as you
can towards SOTs. SOTXs are a pathway to
make that easier.
Yes, you can start from just about ANY topic and get to GREAT topics! It's easy; just follow the steps listed
earlier in the Conversational Management sections., then start to pay attention for SOTXs, or anything that is
"related" to an SOT. Then move the conversation towards an SOT!
This works. Period. You can start from almost ANYWHERE, and ANY TOPIC, and using this type of approach
you will have fascinating conversations with people that lead to where YOU want to go! (See Figure 5.5-1.)
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Assignment!
1) Try it!
Start directing conversations using the conversational management model, and see how easy it is to get to
some good topic that is an SOT, or SOTX, or very close!
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6.0 PATTERNS
6.1 PATTERN OVERVIEW D10-T1
What is a pattern?
• A plan, diagram, or model to be followed in making things; A representative sample.
• An example of what you can say, or could say. "A plan" or "model", that's the key.
Don't think of "how can I get to the pattern", or "how can I bring this pattern up". It's best to just think of patterns
as examples, and as "a way of speaking". Its just a "type" of talking that you can (and will be able to) use when
you feel it is appropriate.
Examples/Analogies:
• Sports - You don't play the entire game ahead of time. You practice bits and pieces of the sport, certain
actions, or series of actions. Once you actually play the game though, you make decisions on-the-spot as
to what to do and how to proceed.
With this new approach to learning and using these tools, we work in that manner. We practice specific
parts of areas of the skills we wish to use later on. Patterns are just examples of the use of these tools.
• Driving - Many of the details of driving a car are things you just "do". You don't have to think about
moving the wheel, handling the gas pedal, the clutch, etc. These smaller skills become automatic and you
focus instead of driving, or navigation.
In the same manner, we have practiced the small details (language skills) so that these are automatic. The
navigation is handled through our use of Conversational Management techniques.
While talking to a woman, get her to "experience" good feelings and states.
Amplify these feelings and states by talking, asking, clarifying.
Link and associate these feelings to you.
Present a Call to action.
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There are two main ways of doing patterns, "Canned" patterns, and real-time "Riffing".
These are the pre-rehearsed, pre-written patterns that you have seen and heard. The problem is if you are SO
focused on just "getting to the pattern" that you know (or even one of many that you know) then it's difficult to
have a good conversation.
The good ways to use these are as teaching and learning tools.
In the real world, these canned patterns DO have some usefulness. Their best use is when you use the
Conversational Management techniques and then find that the conversation just happens to get to or near a pattern
that you DO happen to know already. In THAT case - these pre-written or canned patterns can work very well.
However, if you just "drop" a pattern into the conversation, and the proper context is not created, they can, and
do, sound quite strange.
Pre-written, pre-rehearsed, canned patterns are good, but they assume that you are in a conversation where they
will work and be somewhat "appropriate" to what is being discussed, and that the woman will react to what the
patterns is about. Some times that does happen, many times it does not. Therefore it is best to maybe have some
of these memorized, and have them there for your use if and when the correct situation comes up. But, don't focus
TOO much on them, because doing so may work against you.
This is the ability to just create pattern language on-the-fly, and to use what is needed in the moment.
So, when you are talking to a woman, what you need to do is to look at...
• The interesting topic that she and you are discussing
o what is happening
o what you know
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See the pattern here? We are in general, looking and listening for positive feelings, states, emotions, and actions
in the conversation. Then we use those as a basis for discussion.
Then you have a conversation and, using the tools, get her to,
• Talk about these things or listen to you talk about these things
• get her to think about these things
• get her to feel these things
• get her to link them to you.
• Use some "act now" languaging.
• Get her to talk and think about positive, interesting, exciting, and sensual things.
• Use the language tools so that YOU become associated with those things.
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The course has followed a "bottom-up" approach to training; focusing first on small details, and then building up
to bigger and bigger pieces. Now we can look from the "top-down", and view an overall strategy.
This may be similar to information you have heard in the past, but the method of approaching it is very different.
We really are focused upon changing you, and how you speak.
Listen to the full explanations, and really take the time to do the exercises. Whether its your first, fifth, of
fourteenth time through, you will benefit.
7.4 BE WILLING AND PREPARED TO PUT ENERGY INTO THIS COURSE. D10-T28
The more energy and effort you put into this, and the more engaged you are in the process, the greater your results
will be. It really is up to you.
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APPENDIX 1
Course "Cheat Sheet"
• SPEAKING POINTERS
• LANGUAGE TOOLS A N T D E T A I L S
o Trance Words
Help to get the subconscious mind of the listener to be more of apart of your conversation.
• Instantaneously
" Suddenly
• Find Yourself
• Convince Yourself
• Suppose
• Imagine
" Mysterious (-ly)
• Wonder (-ous) (-ously)
o Weasel Phrases
Use Weasel Phrases to keep the conversation going, and to "soften " the way in which something
is said, allowing you to say more (and maybe more provocative things) about a subject.
• Have you ever ...
• What's it like when ...
• If I were to ...
• If you were to ...
" As you...
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o Embedded Commands
Use embedded commands repeatedly and in the proper context, to create a compelling will on the
part of the listener follow you and listen to you.
• Can you do this now...
o Linking
After getting someone to experience good feelings and emotions, link them to you so that YOU
become something and someone that they feel good about
• Now with me
• In me
• In myself
• with this
• these
• this belief
• these feelings
o Easy-Linking
• Use "This" and "These" when referring to anything positive.
• Use "That" and "Those" when referring to anything negative.
• MORE TOOLS
o Linking Gestures
Towards And Away
• Whenever you say something negative, point or gesture away.
• Whenever you say something positive, point or gesture towards yourself.
o Easy Anchoring
When the person you are talking with displays a positive feeling of some type, a smile, laugh,
interest, intrigue, etc., touch them to help anchor it to you.
• Point Or Touch On Positive
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o Listing
• General Listing
General Listing is a way to quickly provide several reason, which support your point
• A, B, and C
When making a point, statement, or giving an example, "List" several things or
examples which support your point, in order to provide more power to what you
are saying
• At The End
Listing at The End is a way to provide several options (which may differ) but to
emphasize the option that YOU want.
• a, b, and C
When making a point, statement, or giving an example, "List" several things
briefly in order, but mention the one which YOU want to put the most emphasis
on. LAST
• Burying Items
Listing - Burying Items is a way to mention an outrageous or very direct option for
"testing" purposes, or to maybe see if you can get someone to agree to it!
• a, B, and c
When giving examples or options to someone, you can get away with an
outrageous or very direct option by burying that option in the middle of a List.
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o Parts
• Parts Of A Subject
Discussing many of the parts of a subject keeps the conversation going, allowing you
time to gather information and link yourself to good thoughts, feelings and emotions.
• Take any subject, idea, or point in a discussion.
• Break it down into its component parts and discuss them.
• Link good thoughts, feelings and emotions to yourself.
• Use the language tools in the discussion.
• Parts Of A Person
Use Parts of a Person as a way to find, discuss, and evoke favorable states, feelings, and
beliefs, even when the other person claims or demonstrates that such parts are NOT there
• For every part of a person that will work against you, assume there is a part that
will work WITH you.
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o Ambiguities
• CONVERSATIONAL MANAGEMENT —
o General ...
• Navigation
Don't think of an exact plan, think of general navigation
• She Must Be Engaged In The Conversation!
You need her to talk, listen and be IN the conversation!
• Conversational Dynamics
Topics flow from one to the next.
• Topic Turning Point
The process of moving from one topic to one of 6-8 relevant topics
• In general...
•• Show interest when someone discusses positive, fun, interesting things.
• Don't engage in conversations when it's NOT about positive, fun, interesting
things.
• Introduce topics that are fun, positive and interesting.
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• Keep thinking - Where can I go that will engage her emotions and imagination in a
positive manner?
• Move the conversation in that direction.
• Repeat.
o Conversational Fractionation
• Using Conversational Fractionation
• Start
• Move
• Back Up
• Repeat
• Dead Ends Come Back To Life!
• Just back up and start over!
• TOPICS
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• Surrendering to feelings
• Getting excited
• Feeling excited
• Trusting your judgment
• Taking chances
• Indulgence
• Maturity
• Good decisions
• PATTERNS
o Pattern Formula
• While talking to a woman, get her to "experience" good feelings and states.
• Amplify these feelings and states by talking, asking, clarifying.
• Link and associate these feelings to you.
• Present a Call to action.
o Canned Patterns
- Great as EXAMPLES
• Learn and know some of them they may be useful.
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APPENDIX II
Speaking and Language Tools "Cheat Sheet"
• SPEAKING POINTERS
o Voice Tone And Tonality
o Pacing And Pausing
o Energy And Enthusiasm
• LANGUAGE TOOLS AND DETAILS
o Adjectives And Adverbs
o Trance Words
o Weasel Phrases
o Embedded Commands
o Linking
o Easy-Linking (This, That, These, Those)
• MORE TOOLS
o Pointing And Gestures
o Linking Gestures (Towards And Away)
o Easy Linking Expanded (Pointing With This, That...)
o Easy Anchoring - Point Or Touch On Positive And Negative
• LANGUAGE STRUCTURE AND TECHNIQUES
o Pace And Lead
• Topics and Subjects
• Mindset of Frame
• Current Reality
o Give Them A Reason
o Listing
" General
- At the End
• Burying Items
o More And More
o Compare And Contrast
o Parts
" Parts of a Subject
• Parts of a Person
o Opportunities And Challenges
• Mini Challenges
" Opportunities And Challenges
o Ambiguities
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APPENDIX III
The Complete Conversational Management Model
The Complete
Conversational
Management
Model
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