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Prohibition against the practice of law by persons with no license at all or lawyers
licensed in other states.
Lawyers cannot form partnerships with non-lawyers if involves practice of law (5.4)
Legal work by a lawyer in more than one jurisdiction, including a jurisdiction where
not admitted to practice law
Why do you care?
Modern times…
State regulation of practice of law arises out of concept that states have interest in
protecting its residents and justice system and establish requirements that its lawyers
have requisite competence and fitness to practice law
In late nineties, traditional lawyer regulation practices came under particular scrutiny
in part based on two cases:
Birbrower , 949 P. 2 (1998) (Ca case) (Lawyer not licensed in Ca. but in NY,
violated Ca’s misdemeanor UPL provision when assisted Ca. corporation in
arbitration under Ca. law and were barred from recovering fees under fee
agreement for legal services for work done while physically or virtually present
in Ca.
Parsons, 179 F. 3d 956 (1999)(Selling of software forms for legal documents by Ca.
corp in Tex was UPL because aided nonlawyers in practice law even though there
were disclaimers.)
5.5(e) For purposes of paragraph (d), the foreign lawyer must be a member in good
standing of a recognized legal profession in a foreign jurisdiction, the members of
which are admitted to practice as lawyers or counselors at law or the equivalent, and
are subject to effective regulation and discipline by a duly constituted professional
body or public authority
MR 5.5(b) -No systematic or continuous presence
MR 5.5 (b)
A lawyer who is not admitted to practice in this jurisdiction shall not
(1) except as authorized by these Rules or other law, establish a systematic and
continuous presence in this jurisdiction for the practice of law; or
(2) hold out to the public or otherwise represent that the lawyer is admitted to
practice in this jurisdiction
Examples
Lawyer A in-house counsel. Advices N.Y. corporation on credit issues for their
nationwide operation. Ca, Nev, Il, Mich., Tex. If she travels to those states to give
legal advice, is it unauthorized practice of law?No, because of client.
Lawyer B licensed in Fla. Works for DEF corp. Responsible for developing European
and Asian properties as resorts. He engages in overseas negotiations of land
acquisitions, building construction, joint ventures with local entities that manage
resort properties and none of his work involves interpretation of US law. Lawyer
moves from Fla to NY. Should he have to take bar exam? Inhouse rule only if only
doing DEF corp but if systematic, get bar.
Lawyer C. Licensed in NY. In-house counsel. Travels to Michigan to attend meeting
at office of one of its corporations divisions and advises managers in compliance with
Michigan state law and federal environmental regulations. UPL? No. Are you
competent to advise manager in compliance in Michigan state law??!!
Lawyer licensed to practice in New York and he comes every winter to Florida.
Systematic and continuous presence in a state. Florida for the purposes of New York
Law.
8.5(a)Disciplinary Authority
Subject to disciplinary authority of jurisdiction where you are licensed.
Subject to disciplinary authority of jurisdiction if provide legal services in this
jurisdiction.
May be subject to disciplinary authority of more than one jurisdiction for the same
conduct
8.5(b)Choice of law
Generally speaking if matter before tribunal-subject to rules that jurisdiction
unless rules of tribunal provide otherwise
For other conduct-jurisdiction in which conduct occurred unless predominant
effect of conduct in another jurisdiction
Ethical Issues and Supervision
Lawyer knows of conduct when could be stopped or mitigated and fails to take
reasonable remedial measures.
Rule 5.2 -Subordinates
Following orders is no excuse
Rule 5.3 Nonlawyer Assistants
Each partner or supervisor shall ensure that the firm ahs in effect measures assuring
the nonlawyer’s conduct conforms to the lawyer’s professional obligations.
Lawyer knows of conduct when could be stopped or mitigated and fails to take
reasonable remedial measures.
Failure to Report
Under Rule can result in lawyer being subject to discipline
In reality, relatively few cases where lawyer subject to discipline for not reporting
o Legal ethics
RPC 7.1
Communications Concerning Lawyer’s Services
Can’t be false
Can’t be misleading
Can’t contain material misrepresentation
Truthful statements can also be misleading if omit facts necessary to make statement as a
whole not misleading
RPC 7.2 Advertising
Subject to 7.1 and 7.3 may advertise through written, recorded or electronic
communication, including public media
Advertising through electronic media is also governed by the Rules. See Rule 7.2
Comment 3
Can’t give anything of value to person for recommending lawyers’ services
Advertisements must have name of at least one lawyer responsible for content
Advertising in Other Countries
Common Themes
“Dignity”
Not defamatory
No client identification
Factually correct
Your thoughts?
Hypothetical 1
Tweetum, Login and Blog (TLB) is an Illinois law firm that decided to use some new
marketing techniques. TLB wanted to develop their estate practice. They used Groupon
to offer a will and power of attorney for $99. Groupon gets paid a percentage of the
amount earned by the advertiser.
Concerns?
Groupon
Indiana State Bar, Legal Ethics Com Opinion 1, 2012
New York State, Committee Professional Ethics No. 897, 12/ 13/11
Use of third party company that brokers discounted services to online customers
Rule 5.4 concerns
False or misleading?
Forming attorney-client relationship before lawyer has checked for conflicts or
determined he or she is competent?
Your thoughts?
Hypothetical 2
TLB has a website. The website reads as follows:
TLB has over 100 years of experience specializing in divorce, and estate planning. Five
of the fifteen lawyers at our firm are superlawyers. Our initial consultations are free.
Our fees for divorces are $1,000 and our clients include:
Derrin Derose
Liz Tailor
Warren Wuffet
o Concerns?
Concerns?
Hypothetical 4
You have a former client who was very happy with your exceptional legal services. You
ask the former client to go on Linked In and endorse your services, like your Facebook
page and tell all his friends about you.
The former client agrees and offers to send you new business if you will give the former
client $25 for each new client he brings to you.
Concerns?
Hypothetical 5
What if the former client is a business consultant and you practice business law. Can you
form a partnership with the former client to offer “comprehensive services” to clients?
Professional Obligations
M.R. 6.1 and 6.2
Voluntary Pro Bono and Accepting Appointments
Rules more aspirational than for disciplinary purposes
Vary state to state
6.1 says every lawyer has professional responsibility to provide legal services to those
unable to pay (50 hours)
6.2 shall not seek to avoid court appointments except if representation likely to violate
Rules, cause unreasonable financial harm or cause is repugnant to lawyer so lawyer
can’t adequately represent client
ELLM: Cross Border Practices, Model
Rule 5.5, Associations of Lawyers
Prohibition against the practice of law by persons with no license at all or lawyers
licensed in other states.
Legal work by a lawyer in more than one jurisdiction, including a jurisdiction where
not admitted to practice law
Modern times…
State regulation of practice of law arises out of concept that states have interest in
protecting its residents and justice system and establish requirements that its lawyers
have requisite competence and fitness to practice law
In late nineties, traditional lawyer regulation practices came under particular scrutiny
in part based on two cases:
Birbrower , 949 P. 2 (1998) (Ca case) (Lawyer not licensed in Ca. but in NY,
violated Ca’s misdemeanor UPL provision when assisted Ca. corporation in
arbitration under Ca. law and were barred from recovering fees under fee
agreement for legal services for work done while physically or virtually present
in Ca.
Parsons, 179 F. 3d 956 (1999)(Selling of software forms for legal documents by Ca.
corp in Tex was UPL because aided nonlawyers in practice law even though there
were disclaimers.)
5.5(e) For purposes of paragraph (d), the foreign lawyer must be a member in good
standing of a recognized legal profession in a foreign jurisdiction, the members of
which are admitted to practice as lawyers or counselors at law or the equivalent, and
are subject to effective regulation and discipline by a duly constituted professional
body or public authority
MR 5.5(b) -No systematic or continuous presence
MR 5.5 (b)
A lawyer who is not admitted to practice in this jurisdiction shall not
(1) except as authorized by these Rules or other law, establish a systematic and
continuous presence in this jurisdiction for the practice of law; or
(2) hold out to the public or otherwise represent that the lawyer is admitted to
practice in this jurisdiction
Examples
Lawyer A in-house counsel. Advices N.Y. corporation on credit issues for their
nationwide operation. Ca, Nev, Il, Mich., Tex. If she travels to those states to give
legal advice, is it unauthorized practice of law?No, because of client.
Lawyer B licensed in Fla. Works for DEF corp. Responsible for developing European
and Asian properties as resorts. He engages in overseas negotiations of land
acquisitions, building construction, joint ventures with local entities that manage
resort properties and none of his work involves interpretation of US law. Lawyer
moves from Fla to NY. Should he have to take bar exam? Inhouse rule only if only
doing DEF corp but if systematic, get bar.
Lawyer C. Licensed in NY. In-house counsel. Travels to Michigan to attend meeting
at office of one of its corporations divisions and advises managers in compliance with
Michigan state law and federal environmental regulations. UPL? No. Are you
competent to advise manager in compliance in Michigan state law??!!
Lawyer licensed to practice in New York and he comes every winter to Florida.
Systematic and continuous presence in a state. Florida for the purposes of New York
Law.
8.5(a)Disciplinary Authority
Subject to disciplinary authority of jurisdiction where you are licensed.
Subject to disciplinary authority of jurisdiction if provide legal services in this
jurisdiction.
May be subject to disciplinary authority of more than one jurisdiction for the same
conduct
8.5(b)Choice of law
Generally speaking if matter before tribunal-subject to rules that jurisdiction
unless rules of tribunal provide otherwise
For other conduct-jurisdiction in which conduct occurred unless predominant
effect of conduct in another jurisdiction
Ethical Issues and Supervision
Lawyer knows of conduct when could be stopped or mitigated and fails to take
reasonable remedial measures.
Rule 5.2 -Subordinates
Following orders is no excuse
Rule 5.3 Nonlawyer Assistants
Each partner or supervisor shall ensure that the firm ahs in effect measures assuring
the nonlawyer’s conduct conforms to the lawyer’s professional obligations.
Lawyer knows of conduct when could be stopped or mitigated and fails to take
reasonable remedial measures.
Failure to Report
Under Rule can result in lawyer being subject to discipline
In reality, relatively few cases where lawyer subject to discipline for not reporting
o Legal ethics
RPC 7.1
Communications Concerning Lawyer’s Services
Can’t be false
Can’t be misleading
Can’t contain material misrepresentation
Truthful statements can also be misleading if omit facts necessary to make statement as a
whole not misleading
RPC 7.2 Advertising
Subject to 7.1 and 7.3 may advertise through written, recorded or electronic
communication, including public media
Advertising through electronic media is also governed by the Rules. See Rule 7.2
Comment 3
Can’t give anything of value to person for recommending lawyers’ services
Advertisements must have name of at least one lawyer responsible for content
Advertising in Other Countries
Common Themes
“Dignity”
Not defamatory
No client identification
Factually correct
Your thoughts?
Hypothetical 1
Tweetum, Login and Blog (TLB) is an Illinois law firm that decided to use some new
marketing techniques. TLB wanted to develop their estate practice. They used Groupon
to offer a will and power of attorney for $99. Groupon gets paid a percentage of the
amount earned by the advertiser.
Concerns?
Groupon
Indiana State Bar, Legal Ethics Com Opinion 1, 2012
New York State, Committee Professional Ethics No. 897, 12/ 13/11
Use of third party company that brokers discounted services to online customers
Rule 5.4 concerns
False or misleading?
Forming attorney-client relationship before lawyer has checked for conflicts or
determined he or she is competent?
Your thoughts?
Hypothetical 2
TLB has a website. The website reads as follows:
TLB has over 100 years of experience specializing in divorce, and estate planning. Five
of the fifteen lawyers at our firm are superlawyers. Our initial consultations are free.
Our fees for divorces are $1,000 and our clients include:
Derrin Derose
Liz Tailor
Warren Wuffet
o Concerns?
Concerns?
Hypothetical 4
You have a former client who was very happy with your exceptional legal services. You
ask the former client to go on Linked In and endorse your services, like your Facebook
page and tell all his friends about you.
The former client agrees and offers to send you new business if you will give the former
client $25 for each new client he brings to you.
Concerns?
Hypothetical 5
What if the former client is a business consultant and you practice business law. Can you
form a partnership with the former client to offer “comprehensive services” to clients?
Professional Obligations
M.R. 6.1 and 6.2
Voluntary Pro Bono and Accepting Appointments
Rules more aspirational than for disciplinary purposes
Vary state to state
6.1 says every lawyer has professional responsibility to provide legal services to those
unable to pay (50 hours)
6.2 shall not seek to avoid court appointments except if representation likely to violate
Rules, cause unreasonable financial harm or cause is repugnant to lawyer so lawyer
can’t adequately represent client