Sinn’s Inner Circle: Second Edition

Phone Game 2.0 – Transcript

Hey! What’s up guys? Sinn here—and today we have the second introductory version of
Sinn’s Inner Circle CD of the Month. We’re going to be looking at another interview I
did back in the day and up grading some of that to reflect the kind of new discoveries
and stuff that I’ve made over the last couple of years since the last Phone Game CD
was made. So this is: Phone Game 2.0.

One of the things that you really have to realize first about Phone Game is that Phone
Game is very different from real game, like in person. First of all you want to make the
switch from being some guy she met at the club, being some guy she met during the
day, being some guy she met online, whatever, to being a part of her day to day life.
You want to make the switch from being someone she met who is trying to get her out,
to just being someone she talks to a lot, like it becomes normal, that’s a big, big part of
phone game. So when you’re doing that, the first key is that you don’t act overly formal,
that’s something that a lot of people make the mistake of, I’m sure every guy out there
has had this conversation where you call up and you’re like “Hey! What’s up, it’s Dave
from the Coffee Shop yesterday, remember I was wearing a blue shirt, we met, it was
so nice to meet you know, what are you up to today?” That’s what you want to avoid,
because what you’re doing is you’re reminding her that you’re kind of a stranger she
doesn’t have much of a history with you, you’re kind of a new person in her life. Instead
you want to assume rapport, and we will talk about that a little bit later on.

So that’s the overall frame on the phone. Now the phone can get you laid, it can get you
dates, you can do a lot of different things on the phone, you can also mess up really bad
on the phone. A lot of guys have a problem where they’re really, really, really nervous
when they call girls on the phone, so what I recommend is you set a certain time when
you’re going to call, so maybe you set a time of like Tuesday at 7:00 pm you’re going to
call the girl, so what you want to do before that is you want to warm up, you want to call
your friends, call people you’re used to talking to, people where you have that good
flowing state where you can talk a whole lot and you’re comfortable and you’re in that
kind of a talkative mood. Because you don’t want to just like save your one phone
number and call it right away because you’re making the chances that you’re going to
be nervous and mess things up much, much higher.

So you always want to warm up when you’re doing Phone Game. Ideally you want to
have a lot of girls you’re seeing, or you’re in the process of setting up dates with, or in
the process of getting them comfortable enough with you that they will meet up for a
date, so you should have a lot of girls to talk to as you go out, you should get more

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phone numbers. Your phone bill should go up, actually you should be making more
calls. You should be spending more time on the phone to work on your Phone Game
because Phone Game is one of those things where you actually can work on it. You can
get a bunch of phone numbers, even ones that aren’t necessarily what we call ‘solid’
phone numbers but call all your numbers. You don’t want to throw away pussy, that’s a
really big thing. Call all your numbers, text, follow-up, be persistent. Like persistence is
one of the things on the phone that really can help you a lot.

You want to be persistent in a way that’s not needy and not pushy. So you never want
to use two forms of communication if the girl hasn’t responded. What that means is let’s
say you text message a girl and she doesn’t text you back, you don’t’ call her later, you
don’t text her later, you leave it for the day, and the next day you can call back, or you
can wait a day if you want to, or you do phone freeze, we will talk a little bit more about
when we get to Phone Maintenance later on in this CD.

So again, be persistent, but don’t be needy, don’t be pushy don’t tell her you miss her,
don’t call fifty times a day, never make more than one attempt to contact without
reciprocation. Now on the other hand of that, this is where guys get messed up because
on the other hand, if a girl is reciprocating, then the more contact you have the better
you’re doing. I will oftentimes have fifty text messages a day back and forth with a girl
who I’m really getting along with. Why? Because she’s responding, as long as she’s
responding and she’s having fun and is flirty, you’re good, and the more communication
you have the better, because you’re building positive points in the bank. Every time she
has a positive reaction to some communication from you you’re banking good points, so
that’s really, really important.

Now let’s get into actual phone stuff. The first part of the Phone Game structure that I’m
going to teach you guys today is setting up the phone call the right way. So I have a
couple of different ideas about setting up phone calls the right way so that you have the
best possible chance that:
(a) she’s going to pick up the call
(b) she’s going to be excited, and
(c) she’s actually going to want to meet up.
So my first thing with that is before you get a phone number you want to get past a large
qualification hoop, and a large qualification hoop is something that’s blatantly qualifying,
something like: Why are you special? Or, what’s your best quality? Or what do you have
going for you more than your looks? Something that really obviously shows that she
likes you and that she wants you to like her; that’s generally what we call a weigh point
into comfort, phone numbers are going to be a lot more solid once you’re in the
technical comfort stage of an interaction, generally in my experience and the recording
of approaches that I’ve done in my own life, solid phone numbers tend to come between
the 18 – 25 minute mark; so in my kind of experiments and stuff with 100 or 120
recorded approaches the solid phone numbers where I saw the girl again and actually
met up with them came between 18 and 25-minute mark.

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So you want to make sure that you have gotten her to blatantly call by herself, and that
you’re somewhere around the 18 – 25 minute mark. Now in daytime approaches with
girls with legitimate time constraints, you may have to get a phone number a little bit
sooner than that, just know that if you do you’re probably going to have more comfort
building to be doing on the phone because she just doesn’t have a long enough time
period to evaluate you in order to see whether or not she wants to hang out with you. In
fact that was a big turnaround in my Phone Game discoveries whereas when I was
talking to this girl Margaret, and we had just slept together and I was debriefing her, and
I said, “When did you know that we were going to sleep together?” and she said, “Well
the first time you talked to me on the phone.” We talked like for two hours. We talked
about everything, we had a really, really good conversation. She said that she knew she
was comfortable enough on the phone with me that it wasn’t going to be weird if we
hung out, and then she knew that if we hung out we would eventually hook up.

So that was enough for me to look at what I was doing on the phone and put a really big
focus on making sure that the girl is comfortable with you to hang out. That it’s not
weird, it’s not awkward, there are no long pauses, that no one’s trying too hard, there’s
not an uneven conversational ratio, all sorts of things like that. You want to make sure
that it’s fun and flirty and that it seems that you guys could talk for forever. But you want
to follow some basic rules too, and we’ll get to some of those basic rules a little later on.

So first thing is, a large qualifier. The second thing is – or move -- if you move the girl
the phone number will generally be solid as well. So if you isolate a girl – now again, 18
– 25 minutes in, but if you isolate a girl, or during the daytime you go on an instant date,
whose phone numbers tend to be markedly, markedly more solid because movement is
a big indicator of trust. I know that it’s outside of most guy’s realities and most of us
would never ever think of it, but there are guys out there who would hurt, rape and kill
women, so a girl who moves around somewhere and puts herself on a one and one
situation with you is showing a decent amount of trust, and that means that she’s
probably going to pick up the phone as well, and that will make a phone number a little
more solid.

The next I want to talk about is the idea of setting up a date, what Mystery calls Time
Bridging. The idea of setting up a date is really, really important because you want to
have a time and place where you’re going to see her again, this cuts down on your
flaking. A lot of girls will give you their phone numbers to simply get rid of you. Every girl
has caller-ID nowadays, we’re living in 2009, so she can give you a phone number that
she never picks up and that will get rid of you, it’s in default and during interaction you
walk off all excited and she forgets who you are and never picks up the phone number
because she doesn’t answer phone numbers that she doesn’t know.

By asking a girl to commit to a specific time and place you are now weeding out the girls
who’re probably going to flake on you. because if a girl goes, “Oh, I don’t know, I can’t”
or doesn’t suggest a backup plan, or doesn’t make some sort of obvious effort to want
to hang out another time of do the same activity or a different activity, then you know
that that was going to be a flake anyway. So what I do is I always set up the same date;
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I have three or four of them, one of them is actually the dinner thing that I got from
Future, where I will tell them that once a week me and some friends of mine go to a part
of town we’ve never been to, and eat at a restaurant we’ve never eaten at, which is
something I like to do, and she seems like she’d be a cool addition to the group. Now
later on there isn’t a group, and you don’t actually have to do what you say you’re going
to do on the date that you set up.

The idea is really just to get locked down compliance and see if she’s actually willing to
meet up with you or not. So I always do something like that or I’ll talk about a concert or
a comedy show I want to go to, any general activity, I usually use one of those three
and then I’ll set a time and a date, I’ll be like, “Yes, next Wednesday, like at 9:00 what
are you doing? And if she’s like, “Oh, well I have plans”, I’m like, “Cool, no big deal”.
Then I’d wait to see if she’s going to say, what about another time, or what about
another place, this that or the other. So setting up a date will really, really help your
flaking and really, really help you to get solid phone numbers.

Next one is Nicknames. Nicknames are really good things because they separate you
from every other guy out there. Contrary to popular belief and what would make our
make egos feel good, girls give out their phone numbers a lot. If a girl is in a club and
you get her phone number, she’s probably giving it out to two or three other guys
especially if she’s hot. So instead, we want to have a nickname, I like things like
Princess, Dork, Kitten, or descriptions of how they are, like if a girl is really, really feisty
and like she’s in law school, I call her Miss Lawyer. Miss and Missy in front of any
description are good nicknames because they just set you apart and they’re real easy.
Again, there’s nothing amazing about giving girls nicknames but again, it separates you
from the other guys who are calling her, so that at least she has an idea of who you are
when you call later. As opposed to having to do the—who are you, or this that or the
other, that a lot of guys, when they’re new will get sometimes especially if the girl was
drinking, or something like that.

Next thing, is Callback Humor, so callback humor is a really big thing for getting things
set up. Generally I’ll do a lot of the same kind of callback humor. One of the ones I like
to do is love-hate which is basically where you and the girl have a really combative
interaction and again, sometimes you have to provoke this out of girls, but you want to
get to the point where you saying that you hate her is like you saying I like you; and you
actually wouldn’t say it with the exact same tonality. I’ll always do things like, “You suck
for being this cool”, or “I hate you”. Or I call girls when I get this thing going, and I go,
“Well I was really feeling like my self-esteem was way dangerously high so I figured I’d
talk to someone who actually doesn’t like me”, and you run an inside joke as if neither of
you like each other, but you keep talking and you keep touching, and you keep making
out, and dating, etc. and that’s something you can even have for a whole relationship
and it’s something that I really like to have with my interactions.

Another thing is Answering Questions: like this will be something random, I’ll say
something like, “Who was in that 80s movie Breakfast Club? Like “Who was the actress
in that, it wasn’t Molly Ringwal, the other girl, the gothic girl because she kind of reminds
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me of you?” Or something like that, and then when you call back later you can give the
answer. You can be like, “Oh, so I looked it up on IMDB and it turns out…“ Sometimes
you don’t even start off with that when I call them back, I’d be like, “Hey Miss Lawyer, so
I was on IMDB today and it turns out the girl who was in Breakfast Club was I think was
Ally Sheedy (I’m not sure if that’s actually right or not). I’ve seen Breakfast Club a lot of
times but I’m bad with actor and actress names, but I think it was Ally Sheedy, but
anyway, you can use any of those questions, it’s not really call the callback humor, but
it’s something that again points out the fact that you guys had a connection you had a
conversation and you remember the details of the conversation, she should remember
the details of the conversation if you did a good job, so it should all be good.

Another thing I’ll do is role plays, like I’ll say things like she’s my sexy secretary, or like, I
guess what they do for a living, the girl, and I’d be like you’re a naughty nurse, and then
I’ll call her up and I’d be like, “Nurse, so we need to talk about your outfit, because right
now it’s a little tame, I’m not going to lie, like I’ve seen enough 80s porn movies to know
what I should be getting with a naughty nurse, and really you may have lied to me”; and
any role play can be, again, a good way to differentiate yourself from the 90,000 other
guys who are probably calling her. So that’s a little bit of what to do before you actually
call or text.

Now the first part of the structure that I want to get into now is establishing contact
through text, that’s a really big thing because that’s what is called a ping. What you want
to do with a ping is you just want to see is this the phone number that this girl is going to
answer and actually pick up and respond to, so your pings don’t need to be anything
crazy, they just need to be something with a little bit of intrigue that if the girl is
interested and it’s a phone number she picks up and she’s going to text back to. Most of
the times I’d do this within 2 – 4 hours of meeting the girl regardless of the situation; I
meet at a strip club, 2 – 4 hours later I text her a text ping. If I meet a girl during the
daytime 2 – 4 hours later; you meet a girl late at night at the club, 2 – 4 hours later. You
always want to ping because you want to make sure that you’re dealing with real phone
numbers and that you’re dealing with phone numbers that she’s going to pick up and
that she’s going to want to answer.

So I’ll give you guys a few text pings, the first one comes credit to my friend Debonair
Dave out in New York and it is: “Hey Nickname, Princess, Kitten, Muffin, whatever, do
you speak text, smiley-face, your name” and your name being your actual name (person
who is listening to this CD). That’s probably my favorite one, it’s cute, it’s funny, it’s
interesting, it gets a response. The girl can extrapolate more on it, like some girls will be
like, “I’m fluent in text, and I find that it’s a great medium to share my feelings”; and then
you can get into a whole kind of back and forth there, but you don’t need to get into a
back and forth, if she responds, yes, you’ve got a good phone number, no need to do
anything else.

Another one I like is the make or break question, so based on something we were
talking about earlier, I’ll ask a follow-up-related question. So for example, I was talking
to a girl yesterday about Gabriel Garcia Marquez who wrote One Hundred Years of
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Solitude, and we were talking about novels and writers and stuff, and so I texted her like
2 – 4 hours later with, “Okay, make or break question, favorite American novel”, and she
texted back that it was The Great Gatsby, which is weird because that’s not that cool a
book, but anyway, she’s taught so, and it’s all good and she’s in laws school. I’m
meeting a lot of lawyers right now, and a lot of wannabe law school people. So that’s
another one, make or break question. It could be anything though, make or break
question like, Smores or Cheezits? I think that’s something Ross Jeffries was doing for
a while. Make or break question like, “Beach or snow?” Anything that is kind of funny,
quirky question, preferably related to the conversation you guys were having, or at least
an offshoot tangent of that, and something that she can text back.

And the last one is, “Hi Matt, random place and something reminded me of you”. I mean
again, it’s an obvious open loop, like sometimes girls will call you out for doing stuff like
that but they will respond because psychologically, open loops are extremely powerful
and despite the fact that we don’t want to fall into them, we do anyway. So I’d say
something like, “Hey! I’m at the mall and I totally just saw something that reminded me
of you”, and girls will go like, “Okay, I buy it, what is it?” And then you just make
something. Up. Sometimes you don’t even have to answer. That’s another good thing.

So next thing is, you establish contact through text within the first 2 – 4 hours, then call
the next day. There’s a lot of debate out there, when cold approach call the next day.
With social circle you can wait a little bit longer, with online you can wait a little bit
longer, with various other ways of meeting girls you can wait a little bit longer. With cold
approach where she doesn’t know you from anything, and you met her at a club or a bar
or on the street, or wherever, call as soon as possible because you want to make sure
that you strike while the iron is hot. Like that’s a really, really important thing to do, you
know she meets a lot of guys especially if she’s an attractive girl, and you don’t want to
let that connection that you have with the girl kind of dissipate because the more it does
the worst off you’re going to do with getting her out and stuff like that. So call the next
day.

Structure of the call, we talked a little about this stuff earlier. So I’m going to call and
say, “Hey Nickname—Hey Princess, Kitten” What I got recently that I really liked, it was
from this book The Shallow Man and it was a character called the Cat-Suit Feminist, so
a lot of the times I’ll explain to girls that are really kind of strong and outspoken and
independent which are the type of girls that I happen to like, that they’re like Cat-Suit
Feminist because while they’re like really attractive, they also really stand up for
themselves and are strong, independent women; and that’s really an attractive
combination, plus I get to imagine them in a cat suit, and that’s how I say it to girls in
real life, and so that’s one I’ve been using for a little while now. That’s another good
thing that you text or call, you can go, “I have the perfect description of you—I think
people don’t think of, like how to describe things well enough, and you’re a cat-suit
feminist because you’re…” Then you can give the description that I just gave because
it’s brilliant.

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Then Callback Humor like after nickname, I’ll throw some callback humor in there, a
role play, some love-hate, some unanswered questions, then I’d go into a story that
happened to me that day, that may or may not have actually happened to me that day, it
may have happened to me a couple weeks ago, but you want to have something to go
into right away, preferably that’s funny, you can use other people’s material. For a while
I was using the story that actually did happen to me, it’s called The Jim Fart Story. Then
Matador started teaching it, and I was like fuck that, I don’t want to be associated with
anything that guy teaches, so the Jim Fart story which actually did happen to me in San
Diego years, and years ago at the San Diego State gym: I was working out and there
was this girl that I just kind of said “Hi” to every now and then. Like we didn’t know each
other’s names or anything, but we just would smile and say “Hi” to each other, so we’d
work in occasionally, and we were working in; and I did a set, she did a set, and on her
second set she let out the loudest fart ever and I couldn’t help but laugh at her. So the
way I use that is I’ll call girls and I go, “Oh, my God, the funniest thing happened today,
call me back”. Or after I used the nickname and a role play I’d say, “Oh my God the
funniest thing happened today”, and I’d go into that story, or a story that happened to
me more recently, but again it doesn’t have to be great. I think funny, awkward, anything
that’s like relationship-wise. Right now I’m telling a story about how my female friend,
just read the rules and is convinced that if she makes guys wait for 30 days that they’re
actually going to marry her because it’s part of her getting married in 2009 plan, which is
a little ridiculous. So I’ve been talking to girls a lot about that.

But again, if you’re living an interesting life, interesting, funny things happen to you. If
one interesting funny thing has ever happened to you, you can say it happened today,
because again for the first part of the interaction before things go sexual it is a little bit of
a game, and there are some creative liberties that you can take. So don’t be afraid to do
that.

The next thing I want to talk about is Assuming Rapport: Assuming rapport is really
important, you don’t want to talk like you’re a stranger, so instead you want to talk to her
like you talk to your best friend. So when you call your best friend, you don’t generally
be like, ask a bunch of background information, you don’t generally ask what they’re
doing that day, you just talk like, at a comfortable level because you don’t need to do
that stuff anymore. You’re past that point, you guys know that you’re on the same page
that you’re friends etc. so you can kind of bypass the formalities; and that’s what you
want to do, you want to bypass all the formalities and not act stiff. In psychology they
call it the ‘act as if’ principle; so you want to act as if this is a conversation with someone
you’re really comfortable talking to, that you enjoy talking to, that you’re excited and
you’re looking forward to, and then just assume that the two of you are friends.

Like everything that you do, act like you’d be doing that with a friend. If something
comes into your mind that you wouldn’t do with a friend, that would be like trying to
impress a girl, like trying to tell some DHV story or something like that, then don’t do it
because you want to treat her like a friend that you’re attracted to, and that’s basically
the overall idea of assuming rapport.

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The next thing you want to do – and when you assume rapport you tease, you shoot the
shit, you have multiple conversational threads, you don’t get stuck on one
conversational thread, you’re not afraid to change the subject, you’re not afraid to talk
about things that are interesting to you. You’re not worried about what the other person
is thinking. Those are some elements of assuming rapport as well.

After you do the nickname callback humor and possibly a story, some assumed rapport
stuff, you want to start talking about Plans, because now it’s time to start initiating the
talks of when are you guys going to meet up, and like I said before you can do a lot of
stuff on the phone. You can build comfort you can go sexual, you can escalate, you can
even have phone sex, and text sex a lot of the times fairly quickly with the girls you
meet in clubs, even bars, even daytime stuff, but at the same time the goal is to get her
out. The overall goal in addition to making her comfortable and showing her that you
guys can hang out and have fun and that it won’t be awkward. is to get her to meet up
so you can actually initiate a sexual relationship, and ultimately a relationship.

So you want to start talking about things that you’re doing, people you’re hanging out
with, again, this doesn’t have to be cool stuff, you don’t just sit there and go, “Oh, we’ve
got bottle service this night or that night”. Or, “Oh, you know I’m hanging out with this
celebrity or that celebrity, I’m friends with Jamie Fox”, you don’t have any of that stuff,
but instead you want to just talk about the things that you’re doing. Now the problem
here is that a lot of guys out there listening to this are not living exciting lives so they
don’t have things to talk about, stop doing that, get online and find interesting things that
you would be excited to go to and that you would want to go to with a girl and start
talking about those plans and actually going through with them.

If you like live music start going to shows, if you like comedy shows, start going to
comedy shows, if you like art, go the art gallery openings and exhibits, if you like food,
start going to different various types of restaurants and stuff, if you like anything—if you
like yoga, start going to yoga classes; if you like outdoors and stuff start going to that,
but don’t be afraid to start talking about the things you’re going to be doing and the
people you’re hanging out with. One of the questions that girls always ask themselves
when they’re meeting someone or when they’re talking to someone, and when they’re
quote-unquote talking to someone, which is what girls say when you’re in the kind of
phone game phase as us pickup artists call it, but the idea is, they’re thinking: What
would my life be like if I was this guy’s girlfriend? I don’t care if the girl is not looking for
a boyfriend, I don’t care what she says, she’s thought that in every single time when
she’s been talking with someone, and so we want to paint that picture and show her that
she’d be living a fun, exciting life and that hanging out with us is really cool, and we will
always be doing something different and awesome and with good people.

So you want to talk about your friends, again, this is where you want to build your
friends up, you don’t want to insult your friends, your friends are awesome, they’re the
coolest people you know, they never do anything lame or stupid, even if they have bad
characteristics you still love them and you can explain why they’re cool to people, what
you like about people; again the skill of being able to describe what you like is
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immensely important with women, so talk about your plans, just go: Oh my God, I’m so
excited because this week I’m going to this comedy show, I’m going to this art exhibit, or
I’m going to go down to the beach with some friends, and I’m hanging out with this
person, or that person, because I like to call this the phone showdown because in my
mind on every first phone call, it’s like: doodledoodledo, who’s going to ask what the
other person is doing first? Because women do tend to have better social skills than
men and they do get socialized more and they’re used to being on the phone more,
they’re not that much better, and what that means, that at some point one of the two of
you is going to ask the other one what they’re going to be doing that night. Now we
don’t want to be the first ones that ask that.

That’s why we talk about plans for later on in the week so that the girl can be like, “Oh,
what are you doing tonight?” And then you can actually start to go for a date, but you
want to challenge her. You don’t want to just be super-easy when it comes to going for
a date, I used to do that, I used to say things like, “Well, hanging out with you of
course”, and that can work, if it’s really on and the girl really likes you and there’s a
really good vibe on the phone, then that can definitely work, but for the most part, I’m
going to challenge her. I’m going to go, “Well I was thinking about doing this thing but
actually, you know, it might be something that you’d be into, I’m not quite sure though.
Are you like really adventurous?” Or like, “How do you handle your alcohol?” Or, “Would
you consider yourself open-minded?” Or, “Do you like new experiences”, I’ll ask hard,
challenging, qualifying questions. I’ll also do things like Brad P’s Swedish Assistant
routine. I’ll say things like, “Well I don’t know, you do seem really cool, but I’ll still need
to have my Swedish Assistant check you out”. Or, “Yeah, I mean any girl who I’m going
to date, there is a lot of candidates out there and so I have to have my Swedish
Assistant kind of give you the 1 through 10 checklist”, and I want to set that frame early
when I’m going for meet ups with girls because I want to set the frame that I am
screening them, they’re not screening me, that’s really important.

So I’ll do that a lot, I’ll also do a lot of callback humor, there’s a girl I’m now dating now
who is from Canada, so I made jokes about her being like an illegal alien, and I’d be
like, “Yes, you know, I kind of like you and all, but I really think we should get together to
discuss your immigration status because I don’t now if I’m comfortable with someone
who’s here in the country illegally, so we should discuss this ad nauseum, or I’ll say
something like, “You know, I’m not really like 100% sure about how much I dislike you,
so I think we need to get together and talk about some of these issues, I’ll add it to the
agenda”; and I’ll use that challenge or I’ll call back the Bard Ps Assistant Routine, where
I go, “Yeah, well I think you definitely need to meet Hans because we need to see if
you’re like a for real candidate, of if, you know, you’re just one of the many people who
are undatable in society today, it’s very sad”; and you reward with the date, you word it
around the challenge. So like I said, meet up to discuss immigration status, meet up to
discuss all the various ways that I don’t like you, meet up so that you get evaluated, and
then they’re going to say like, “What are we going to do”, and you go, “Well it’s a
surprise; I’ve had this idea for a really long time, but I actually wasn’t sure that I needed,
like it’s kind of a quirky thing, so I needed to find a girl who is like really cool enough to
go through with this, and I think you might be, I’m not sure yet, but I’m pretty sure that it
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would be kind of fun with you, and if it isn’t I can always fake a cellphone call”. Again
that’s just a release because you’re giving a big compliment.

The next thing is Set Up Logistics: You set up logistics, you go, “Meet me at the corner
of the two streets you live on”, and then I also like to at that point give additional things
for her to do that are kind of distracting like, make sure that you wear a blue skirt and
cute shoes, or bring a six-pack of Coke and some laundry detergent. Or, “Hey, can you
stop by and pick up like a bunch of rubber bands?” Anything weird that seems like it’s
going to be related to the date, they don’t actually need to be related to the date but
they’re things to be ambiguous and to keep her wondering about what the hell you guys
are going to do. So again, meet up at the corner of my place and another street, bring
this, that or the other.

Next thing, Voicemail: so a lot of the times I actually prefer to get a voicemail because it
let’s me know how much she likes me. If a girl calls back really quickly like within the
next few hours, then you know that it’s really on, she’s really, really interested because
girls do not call back within 2 hours to guys they just met if they’re not interested. I often
will say girls with boyfriends don’t call back within two hours, Like some girls will say
they have boyfriends and then they call you back in like 10 minutes, and you go, yeah,
he’s probably not really a boyfriend if you’re calling me back in 10 minutes. So if you get
a voicemail I will leave 1 of 3 or 4 different voicemails in the beginning.

The first one is a hook message, this is something that everyone’s heard in the annals
of time, it’s just “Hey Princess, like the funniest thing happened to me today, call me
back”, and I’ll actually leave my number and my name the first time because you never
know. Another one that a guy named Hollywood came up with, this is generally my
default if I’m playing phone tag a lot with the girl, I’ll just say, “Hey it’s me, I’m in and out
all day, you can try to catch me if not I’ll call you later”. I like that one because it takes
the power back like you are the one who is going to be calling you’re not waiting around
for her to call you back. I will only tell girls to call me back once, and then never again,
because you don’t want to be like guys who are like, “Call me back – call me back – call
me back” it just reminds her that she’s not calling you back, so don’t’ do that.

The last one I’ll leave, I’ll just go “Hey Princess, phone tag, you’re it”, and that just
cutesy and funny, it’s a nice little one to leave when you don’t know what to say, so
that’s basically the first call, setting up logistics so the structure goes: Start with a
nickname, use callback humor, a role play, love-hate, answer a question that was
unanswered in your initial interaction, tell a story about your day, assume rapport, talk
about exciting plans, challenge her and then reward her passing of the challenge with a
date and keep it a surprise, you know, keep her off balance, make it ambiguous so
she’s not sure what she’s coming to. Set up logistics so she knows how to get to your
place or where you’re meeting, if you live out in the Boonies, which you guys should all
move, it really makes your game much, much easier to be close to your dating spot, and
that’s basically it, so that’s my phone structure. It goes from nickname to setting up
logistics.

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Now that we’ve talked about Voicemails, now I want to talk about what to do if they’re
not calling or texting back. So the first thing to do is ignore it and wait a day. So you text
a girl and she doesn’t text you back, you then want to wait till the next day and move up
the intimacy scale. In my opinion the intimacy scale goes like this: In-person is obviously
the most intimate, followed by actual telephone voice to voice contact, followed by text
messages, followed by emails, followed by Instant Messenger and then MySpace, Face
Book, those kinds of social networking sites. You want to be aware of when girls are
responding to higher levels of intimacy with lower levels of intimacy because that is a
bad sign, for example if you call a girl and she texts you back, that’s not a good thing, if
you text a girl and she calls you that is a good thing, we always want to be striving to go
up the intimacy scale to get in person as much as possible, because that’s where you
can actually physically escalate and start a sexual relationship, so be aware of that.

So if they don’t text back, I will move up the intimacy scale the next day. I’ll wait a day
and then call. Now if they don’t call back, I’ll go into my kind of phone freeze-out stuff.
Now the phone is one place where I will advocate using freeze-outs because it really
does send a message when you like a girl a lot and you’re sending her good
communication and she’s not responding, or she’s not responding fast enough, and
then she gets nothing from you the next day, she gets radio silence. It really does
change the patterns of communication, because she realizes that she needs to
communicate with you more if she wants to actually have some sort of relationship.

So the first thing, I’ll do is I’ll teasingly call them out on it, with text messages. So if a girl
is taking a really long time, or if she doesn’t respond to text messages, I’ll send a
message like, “You’ve failed the text message reflex test”, Or, “You’re the worst texter-
back ever, I’m putting you on text probation”.; just something to teasingly call her out on
it so she knows that I’m noticing, and it is annoying to me and I want to have her text
back more. Then I’d go to phone freeze-out. So phone freeze-out pretty simple, the first
thing is, let’s say I call a girl today, it’s a Monday, and she doesn’t call me back. I will not
call her Tuesday, I’ll call Wednesday. Let’s she doesn’t call me back again, then I won’t
call her Thursday, I won’t call Friday, I will call her Saturday, and you add another day,
until it’s a week between calls and at that point you’re basically in damage control
anyway. But that’s a really good way if she’s interested, she’ll get the message and
you’re not going to be needy, you’re not going to come off like you’re overly pursing her,
or she’s the only female phone number in your phone that you can call, or anything like
that. So that’s a big part of the overall idea of Phone Game, is knowing when to call,
and that’s a good basic structure.

Now the last thing I want to talk about the idea of Phone Maintenance. Once you’ve
already got her on the date, once you have her in your kind of dating circle, you guys
have hung out a couple times, maybe you have had sex, maybe you haven’t, what do
you do to maintain the good communication on the phone. The first thing is how often
do you call her? Remember that girls will respond to the roles that you put them in, if
you call a girl everyday and you treat her like she’s your girlfriend, then you’re going to
end up with a girlfriend, and get the ‘where is this going talk’ really quickly. Whereas if
you call her once every 2 – 3 days then she’s going to get the idea that it’s not that
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serious. Don’t act like it’s serious if it’s not, because you’re only going to be creating
drama and problems for yourself, and I don’t know about you guys, but I’m a drama-free
zone, I don’t deal. So one of the things for maintaining phone maintenance and keeping
things fun is that you use a lot of intrigue—so these are just things you can do once
maybe a week, or once maybe in every two weeks, just to keep things spicy and fun, I’ll
give you guys some text messages you can send that are just intriguing and fun for
girls.

The first one is, “I met your twin last night”, that’s the Savoy one, that one is great. It
always gets a response, if a girl stops text me or calling back, that’s a really good one to
use to get a response. Another one that I got from Scott the Don, it is: “Stop talking
about me—my ears are burning”, that’s a really good one. Another one I like, “Hi, you
just popped into my head and I wanted to say hi—and stay out of my head”, those are
all really good ones. Another one is, “I’m spending way too much time thinking about
you—you suck, what kind of Ninja magic are you using on me”. All of those are good. “I
had a really weird dream about you” is another good one, you can say that one on the
phone or text it. Another good thing to do is what I call coquetting is all about injecting
sexuality but being completely in control of it, like you’re teasing her sexually, so the
image I always think of is like a stripper pulling a guy in by his tie and pushing him out
with her heels. You know you get really, really close and then you don’t quite get it. So
with coquetting, I’ll call girls and talk about dressing them up in some weird outfit, you
know. Or, if they’re going to the beach, you go “Hold on, I’m just enjoying the mental
image of you in a bikini, give me a second here”. Or, “I’m just enjoying the mental image
of you dressed up as a sexy secretary, hold on—alright now I’m back”.

That’s really just some fun little things where you inject some sexuality, show you’re
interested in her and a non-creepy way. Another thing I’ll do is I’ll use the word
‘inappropriate’ a lot. Like anything that she does I’ll misinterpret sexually, and I’d just be
like, “You just gave me a really inappropriate thought, but I don’t know you well enough
to say that”. Open loops like ‘that’s inappropriate’, or ‘wow that was a dirty thought’, or ‘I
can’t tell you what I just thought’, all that kind of stuff is really, really, good. Another one,
I’ll say things like, “What am I going to do with you?” I’ll be like, “I have ideas but they’re
really not okay yet” or, “We’re not quite there yet”. So all those things are ways that you
can inject sexuality in without being creepy, without being needy or weird, or doing
anything that’s going to freak her out, but keeps you in control. Shows that you’re willing
to go sexual, you know, all of that sort of stuff.

Another thing I like to do is, I like to do Good Morning and Good Night text. Not
everyday because it sends the wrong message if you do that everyday, but if you do it
like a couple of times a week, like maybe 2 or 3 times a week, it really is like of a nice
sweet thing that you can do to keep in contact with the girls that you’re dating.

Another thing that I want to talk about is compliments, so I’m actually going to read
some of my real life compliments off of my phone to give you guys a feel for how my
Text Game goes. So these are all early texts with girls that I actually ended up sleeping
with, so as soon as my I-Phone turns on we will have some text for you guys. So here
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we go, this one is with a girl who we do a lot of love-hate stuff, so it’s pretty good but I’m
looking for the actual compliments that I was giving her earlier in the kind of thing. This
one is a girl who I slept with who is a tall German girl, and she’s really kind of pretty
cute, here’s one, it went; “Good Morning, I have really great news”, which is something
that I do a lot, a little open loop.
And she’s like, “Good Morning, jump in the air, what is the great news”.
Because earlier I had told her, this is something I do a lot too, is I’ll frame how they have
to respond, when I call or text, I’ll go, “When I call or text you, you’ve have to be really,
really excited like jump up in the air like you just won the lottery”.
So I go, “Good job on the air jump! The good news is that you guys got a text from me
(smiley face)”
Then she’s like: “Ha, ha, ha, ha”, she’s like, “Congratulations”.
So we started talking about my sisters and my brothers, and none of that stuff that’s
interesting, and then I’m like yeah, I like two of the three of them, one of this is older
than my dad though, kind of weird”.
Such a nice day, I’m off to the beach, jealous?”
And she’s like, “Of course I’m jealous—I’ve got a full schedule today, no fun”.
“Sad day for you, you can entertain yourself by sending me sweet and/or sexy text
messages”.

That’s another big thing I’ll do, I’ll give the girl tasks, like when they’re meeting up for the
date, I’ll tell them to bring this, that or the other, I’ll tell them to wear this, that or the
other, I’ll also tell them they can entertain themselves by sending me text messages, or
I’ll tell them I expect a really sweet text message, or I expect a joke, or I expect
something interesting.
She goes, “That will be nice entertainment but I’m not in the mood yet for sexy text
(smiley face)—I also have to concentrate on my studies, so let’s meet up on Saturday or
so”.
And I actually was out of town, and I go, “Would love to but I’m in Las Vegas, how about
Monday?” She’s like, “Ah, nice enjoy—Monday I can’t, Tuesday or Friday”.
“Tuesday works perfect I actually have a surprise we can go on Tuesday”. Like I talked
about we always have a surprise.
She goes, “Okay perfect, what is it—you can’t do that, I’m too curious but at the same
time I love surprises”
I go, “I’ll never tell. You can keep guessing all weekend though and I’ll kill you if you’re
warm”.
She goes, “Ha, ha, is it something in [ ] area?”
And I’m like, “Yes it is”.
She’s like “All right I’m just going to let you surprise me, see you on Tuesday”.

And then after we had slept together I texted her and told her that my bed smells – Oh
I’m sorry, this is before we slept together, I texted her and that she just popped into my
head now and I just want to say hi—and stay out of my head.
She goes, “I think there’s nothing wrong with that”.

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And I go, “Yeah, I bet” and I use an emoticon with a stick-out-your-tongue face. Then I
text her again and I go, “Yeah, I can’t stop thinking about you, you must have used
some sort of weird Ninja magic on me—I’m onto it though, I’m not going to let this slide”.
She goes, “Ha, ha, nice, Ninja magic, too funny—my roommate is going to use that line
next time he’s hitting on a girl”.
And I go, “Ha, ha, I’m awesome. I’m getting on my flight home now”.
And she goes, “Have a safe flight back”.

Then I test her again and I was like, “I’m so bored entertain me”.
And she goes, “Lo, you need some more Ninja magic”.
And I go, “Yup—you’re my anti-boredom news, save me please, sweet and (too early to
tell you you’re sexy, not sexy but wholesome (her name)”.
She goes, “You are too funny”.
And I go, “Yes, it’s true and flattery will get you everywhere. For your surprise meet me
tomorrow at (where I live), and wear a comfy shoes and a skirt”.
She goes, “Comfy shoes and a skirt, what do you have planned? I only have minis”.
I say, “Okay, ditch the comfy shoes then, skirt integral to the plan; you may also want to
bring a camera if you have one”.
She goes, “Sure, I’ll bring my cam—should it be a somewhat fancy outfit? You’ve really
made me curious now”.
And you go, “Good, it will be fun”.

And again so those are some of the compliments in there where I tell her she’s sweet
and it’s too early to tell her she’s sexy, so entirely wholesome, that was again, because
earlier she had told me she wasn’t from ready for sexy text. So you back off but you still
keep the idea of sexuality on there so that she doesn’t lose the sexual tension.

Another thing to think about is the idea of Phone Dates, that’s something I got from
Future. Phone Dates are awesome because they are things you can do when you can’t
actually be with the girl. So let’s say that she’s going to the beach with some friends. I’ll
go, “Awesome, let’s be on a phone date to the beach”. I’d be like, “You’re going to the
beach, I’m going to go do whatever I’m going to go do”. Let’s say I’m going to lay out by
my pool, or I’m going to go to the beach too, or I’m going to go take a yoga class, “So
we’re on a phone date, so I expect updates at least once an hour”, and what I’ll do if she
doesn’t send any update, I’d be like, “Update”, and I’d talk about what I’m doing, “Your
turn”.

Your turn, your serve, like up to you, like the defense rests, those are all things that I
use to prompt responses because they will let her know that I am expecting her
response, which puts a lot of social pressure on her to actually respond as opposed to
just ignore it, because if we have a back and forth then she’s got to continue with that
because I’ve put all of the onus and all the pressure on her.

All right, so the last thing I want to talk about is Call Scheduling, which is the idea that
you want to call at different times. You don’t want her to get used to talking to you late at
night or early in the morning, you want to vary it up so that she’s not really 100% sure,
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and that goes for everything. That goes for text messages, that goes for returning phone
calls; you want to be unpredictable. So generally I have a 15-minute rule with texting.
So let’s say I text a girl, and she texts back like 3 hours later, then I will wait 15 – 20
minutes and then text her back. I’m not going to text like right away, but I’m not going to
wait 3 or 4 hours either. Now sometimes I will wait 3 or 4 hours just because it’s really
on and I want to kind of make her wait, or you know, she’s been taking a really, really
long time, or I’m just legitimately busy. But for the most part I’ll wait like 15 minutes.
Then sometimes I’ll text back like right away. If you can tell, she’s just like around her
phone or something, or she’s like, “Oh just got this”, I’ll text back within a few minutes.
But you always want to be unpredictable.

Same thing with calling, especially when you’re calling in the beginning stages, you
want to switch it around, maybe call her once on her lunch break, maybe call her once
during dinner, or maybe call her once like a little bit late, don’t call after like 10:00 or
11:00 at night unless you’re really sure that she’s into you, otherwise because it can just
be kind of rude. But you know, 9:00, 9:30. Call at times where you think she would be
home and not doing anything, you know, or in the car like 6:00, 6:30 if she works a day
job; or 4:00 or 5:00 in the afternoon if she’s a college student. Different times and stuff
like that especially when you’re maintaining, you want to get used to calling at different
times, and calling just to chat, calling just to talk for half an hour or so. You generally will
need to do a few half an hour maintenance calls a week with girls you’re seeing, where
you just talk about things you’re doing, and you just act like you guys are on a date
together but you’re on the phone.

So that really wraps up Phone Game 2.0. I want to really quickly go back through
everything again so that you guys really have a detailed understanding of how to set up
dates, get girls on the phone, get them from the phone into real life, and then maintain
that.

So let’s go quickly over everything. First thing, most important thing is the set up, get
past the large qualifying hoop and/or move the girl. Ideally, and move the girl, move the
girl and then get through a large qualifying hoop. Set up a date, don’t just say let’s hang
out sometime, give me your phone number, don’t’ just say, “How can we continue this
conversation?” Specific times, specific place, specific activity.

Next, use nicknames, callback humor, inside jokes, and unanswered questions. Use
those in your initial pickup because all four of those tools will really help you on the
phone. Next, thing, establish contact through text. Send a ping—When? In the first 2 – 4
hours after you met her, no sooner than 2 hours, no later than 4 hours. Then call the
next day, make sure that you’re always moving up the intimacy scale. One of the things
that my buddy Captain Jack does is when he meets a girl in a bar or a club, he’ll do
what is called drunk and lonely texting, where he’ll text like within half an hour, or after
the girl leaves or something, and he’ll be like, “Hey sexy, where are you at?. He gets a
lot of single lays from that because if she’s out she doesn’t have the stigma of her
friends knowing because she’s already gotten dropped off at home, or she’s driven
home, or she’s in the car by herself. Then she can now, come over, or have you come
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over and nobody knows about it so, be sure to establish that contact through text
especially at night because you can actually get laid from doing it.

Call the next day, move up the intimacy scale. The structure of the call, first thing,
nickname, you set up your nicknames for a reason, you want to differentiate yourself
from other guys: Princess, Dork, Brat, Flake, Munchkin, Night Munchkin, description,
anything like that. Miss-description.

Callback Humor: your love-hate, your answering the unanswered questions, using role
plays, continuing the role play, sometimes you can even call up and be like, you know
honey, I was talking to the divorce lawyer today, and they were saying, that you think
you’re going to get the kids, and there is no way—like you’re not getting the kids.

Then after Callback Humor, go into a story about your day, it can be something that
actually happened to you, it can be something that happened to you months ago, it can
be a professional script, but have something you’re going to talk about preferably that’s
funny. Then assume rapport, you know, let tangents happen, don’t’ ask the basic
questions, like “What did you do today? What are you doing tonight?” But talk to her as
if she’s you’re friend. Talk about your exciting plans that you’re going to do this week, all
the things that you’re looking forward to do. Having a life really does help you a lot here,
then wait for her to lose the showdown. Remember the showdown is who is going to
ask “What are you doing tonight?” first.

After that you want to challenge her. Challenge her with something that is going to make
her prove herself to you, Brad P’s Swedish Assistant, I’m not sure about you yet, your
immigration status, all the things we need to discuss about how much I don’t like you.
there’s a hearing determining why you’re so cute; anything like that, it doesn’t have to
be a bad thing but you challenge her, and then you reward her with a date, you want to
reward it around the challenge, that’s really, really, really important.

Use surprises, tell her you have a plan and that she’s cool enough that you think you
could actually do this and enjoy it with her. Then set up logistics, get her to come meet
you at your place, that’s huge for dating. Just tell her, don’t’ go asking, just go: this is
what we’re doing meet me at such and such a street. Talk about voicemails, the hook
voicemail, I’m in and out all day, and the phone-tag one, all three of those are really
solid and will help you in the initial stages. We’ve talked about what to do if they don’t
text or call back, you teasingly call them out on it and then you use phone freeze-outs.

We talked about Phone Maintenance, using intrigue, keeping things interesting and
exciting. We talked about coquetting, and injecting sexuality, we talked about things like
good mornings, good nights, I read off some compliments and a real live text meet up
from beginning to end with the meet up with that girl. We talked about phone dates and
call scheduling, so that’s everything you really need to know to take you from getting a
phone number to getting the girl to meet up in real life which will be the subject of
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what to do once you’ve gotten the girl on a date, to begin a sexual relationship and start
moving towards what you want from her and the relationship.

So this has been the Second Edition of Sinn’s Inner Circle, hope everyone out there is
enjoying it and I will talk to you guys next month. Good luck and I hope you all have the
success you deserve for yourselves—Bye.

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