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AHLUSSUNNAH WAL JAMAAH

Mirza Jhelumi and the Principle Of Ta’liq bil Muhal: Refutation of an attempt to defend Mirza Of Jhelum

Refuting Mirza Jhelum, Refuting Ali Mirza

Abu Muhib

27-Aug-19

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There is a Supporter of Mirza: Jhelumi: who have tried to defend an apostasy of Mirza: Jhelumi:

By using the principle of Ta’:li:q Bil Muh:a:l.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSmSsZAjxw

Before discussing the problem it is necessary to provide some prerequisites of the Problem.

Mirza: Jhelumi: is greatly influenced by Laho:ri: Mirza:’ism. It was proved long before that he is a
Lahorite.

Lahorism is a cult of Mirza:’ism . After the death of the founder of Mirza:’ism , Mirza:’ism was devided
into two basic sects.
1] Mah:mu:di: Mirza:’ism or Qa:dianism

2] Laho:rism or Paigh:amism.

The first sect of Mirza:’ism was founded be the son of Mirza: Qa:diani: namely Mirza: Bashi:ruddi:n
Mah:mu:d.

The second sect was founded by Muh:ammad ‘:Ali: Laho:ri: , who was a disciple of Mirza: Qa:diani: .

Mirza: Jhelumi: has supported Qa:diani: sect . But actually he is trying to save Laho:rism from the Takfi:r.

This shews that he has strong inclinations and tendencies towards La:ho:rism.

There are certain evidences for this claim.

1] On one hand La:ho:rites claim that Mirza: Gh:ula:m Qa:diani: did not claim prophethood, and on the
other hand they accuse Great Scholars of ‘isla:m for claiming prophethoods for themselves.

This is exactly what the Mirza: Jhelumi does.

This is a weak La:ho:ri: argument in support of Mirza: Qa:diani: .

2] La:ho:ri: Mirzai were first who denied that Mirza: Qa:diani: claimed Prophethood. Mr Gh:amidi: just
borrowed their belief belief. But he was unable to present any new argument for his false claim “Mirza:
Qa:diani: did not claimed Prophethood”. He only repeated the arguments of Muh:ammad ‘:Ali: Laho:ri: .

So inclinations and tendencies of Mirza: Jhelumi: and Gh:a:midi: shews that both of the two are two
representatives of Lho:rism.

3] La:ho:rism is in consistency with Ra:fid:ism. This means that a person can be a La:ho:riite as well as a
Ra:fid:ite.

4] Mirza: Jhelumi: has claimed that he declares Qa:dianis as Ka:fir just because they declare him and his
followers as Ka:fir and not due to the reason they deny the finality and lasthood of Holy Prophet.

How ever he argues that they shall never declare Mirza: Jhelumi: and his followers as Muslims.

But in his strange argument , he finds a secret way to declare La:horites as Muslims [‘Astagh:farullah Va
Na’:u:dh:ubillah].

Since La:ho:rites apparently deny that Mirza: Qa:diani: claimed Prophethood and hey do not declare
those who deny the claims of Mirza: Qa:diani: as Ka:fir , unless and otherwise they declare Mirza:
Qa:diani: as Ka:fir.

This Principle is borrowed by Mirza: Jhelumi, with the modification that any one who declares Mirza:
Jhelumi: and his deciples as Ka:fir is not a Muslim. This declaration is independent of the believes of the
declarer .
It is clear that if a La:ho:ri: Mirza:’i: does not declare Mirza: Jhelumi: as Ka:fir then Mirza: Khelumi: and
Jhelumite Disciples , then Mirza: Jhelumi and his Disciples shall not declare the La:ho:ri: Mirzai: as Ka:fir.

What does this means? This means that Mirza Jhelumi: is in perfect harmony with La:ho:rism.

5] The apparent Monotheistic Tendencies of Mirza: Jhelumi: were just to attract youth of ‘Ahlul
H:adi:th: . But Mirza: Jhelumi: did not declare any one as Ka:fir and Mushrik if he or she holds some
beliefs of Shirk. That is the reason he does not declare Nus:airiah of Sha:m as Ka:fir and
Mushric/Mushrik because they believe that Saiyiduna: ‘:Ali: is an Incarnation and a Menifestation of G-
d.

But this is also borrowed from Mirza:’ism. Since both of the sects of Mirza:’ism deceived Muslims by
shewing Monotheistic Tendencies. Even Mirza: Qadiani attempted to refute Unity Of Existence , in order
to deceive Muslims who reject Unity Of Existence.

So it is clear that Mirza: Jhelumi has learnt many things from Mirza: Qa:diani: and his disciple
Muh:ammad ‘:Ali: Laho:ri: .

There is a Supporter of Mirza: Jhelumi: who have tried to defend an apostasy of Mirza: Jhelumi:

In this article this support shall be refuted ‘Insha:’All-h.

It is made clear that Mirza: Jhelumi declares Mah:mu:di: Mirza’is as Ka:fir just because they declare
Mirza: Jhelumi: and his disciples as Ka:fir. If they cease to declare him and his disciples as Ca:fir, he shall
immediately cease to declare them as Ca:fir.

Several objections were made on this View of Mirza: Jhelum: .

One of them was that this means that Mirza: Jhelumi: does not comsider that Mah:mudi: Mirza’ites are
Ca:fir , since they deny the Finality of Holy Prophet [PBUH].

This further means that Mirza: Jhelumi: does not believe in the Finality of Holy Prophet as a Certainty
but as a Probability [A type of Uncertainty].

Now a defender of Mirza: has advocated him by the principles of Suspension from Impossible and
Suspending an Impossible.

They say that it is Impossible that a Mah:mu:di: Mirza’i: continue to believe in in Mirza: Qa:diani: as a
Prophet and at the same time begin to believe that Muslims are Muslims.

So he says that what Mirza: Jhelumi: said is something that either is suspended from an Impossible or
itself suspends an impossible. Both are impossible.

So it is impossible for Mirza: Jhelumi: to declare Mahmudites as Muslim.

Ta’:li:q Bil Muha:l and Mu’:allq ‘:Alal Mumkin are well known Principles.
Let the both principles may be discussed as follow:

1] If One that is Per Se Absurd [Absolutely Impossible] suspendeth a thing then the thing is Absolutely
Impossible.

2] If a thing suspendeth an Absolutely Imposible then the thing is Absolutely Impossible.

On the contrary if a thing is suspended on an Absolute Contingent then it is Absolutely Contingent.

Similarly if a thing suspends an Absolute Contingent then the thing is absolutely Contingent.

For Example it is written in Holy Qur’a:n:-

And when Moses came to Our appointed tryst and his Lord had spoken unto him, he said: My Lord!
Show me (Thy Self), that I may gaze upon Thee. He said: Thou wilt not see Me, but gaze upon the
mountain! If it stand still in its place, then thou wilt see Me. And when his Lord revealed (His) glory to
the mountain He sent it crashing down. And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said:
Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers.

7: 147 Qur’a:n

This verse is about the Beatific Vision Of G-d. Mu’:tazilah and Shiites believe that Beatific Vision is
Absolutely Impossible. But according to Sunniites it is Absolutely Possible.

The argument is that the Divine Vision is Suspended on the Rest State of the Mountain and that the
Mountain remain firm at its place.

As the it is Absolutely Contingent that the mountain to remain firm and still , so any thing which is
suspended on it is also Absolutely Contingent.

So Beatific Vision which is suspended on it is Absolutely Contingent. However if Beatific Vision is

Relatively Impossible in this World then is another case.

But What the supporter of Mirza Jhelumi is doing, he is trying to prove that it is Absolutely Impossible
for a Mahmu:di: Mirza’I to cease to declare Muslims as Ca:fir.

But this cannot be the case.

Perhaps Mirza: Jhelumi: does not know what an Absolutely Impossible is.

An Absolutely Impossible is one whose very self intrinsically Implieth its Non Existence.

For example an other G-d i.e Shari:c ‘Alba:ri: is Absolutely Impossible.

An Absolutely Impossible is beyond Divine Omnipotence. So it is incorrect to say Deity Hath

Omnipotence to Create Shari:c ‘Al Ba:ri: i.e Replica of G-d Himself.
So what game this person is playing. He is not telling the truth. His supporter who asked this question in
the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSmSsZAjxw

is so baised that he failed to see that in the videos Mirza: Clearly states that if Mah:mudites [Qa:dianites]
accepts others as Muslim and cease to declare them as Ca:fir Mirza Jhelumi: shall also cease to declare
them as Ca:fir.

What the game he is doing is stated below:-

1] He is Suspending the supposed Cessation of Declaration of Cufr of Mah:mudites by Mirza: on the

Cessation of declaration of CUFR of Muslims by Mah:mudites.

2] The claim of Suspension of one on another is just based on the claim of Mirza: of Jhelum. That this is
impossible rather Absolutely Impossible, But is not Absolutely Impossible.

So the Argument from Ta’:li:q Bil Muh:a:l is invalid.

This Ta’:li:q [Suspension] is incorrect.

Suppose that if it is Absolutely Impossible for Mah:mu:dites to believe in the Finality of Holy Prophet,
and if Some one says that if Mah:mudites begin to believe in the Finality of Holy Prophet then he shall
cease to declare them as Ca:fir , this would have been a better Ta’:li:q.

But Mirza: Jhelumi: has made a different Ta’:li:q .

Mirza: Jhelumi: has declared Ta’:li:q on an event that is neither Absolutely Impossible nor Relatively
Impossible.

Perhaps Mirza: Jhelumi: thinks that any thing which he considers as Muh:a:l is Muh:a:l.

This shews that Mirza: does not know the difference between Impossible Per Se Absurd [Mumtani’:
Bidh: Dh:a:t/ Absolutely Impossible] and Muntani’: Bil Ghair [Per Alias Absurd/Relatively Impossible].

I think he does know but he is just playing games with his audiences who have not studied the subject
.

So what is the flaw in the system of Mirza: Jhelumi:.

1] First of all the cessation of declaration of stated above Cufr by Mah:mu:dites is not Absolutely
Impossible. Since Absolutely Impossible is a thing which implieth its own negation. An Example is
Annihilation of G-d , an other example is Creation of Shari:c ‘Al Ba:ri: .

Does Mirza: consider this type of Impossibility????

2] Second one is Relatively Impossible. For example it is Relatively Impossible that G-d shall send a
Ca:fir in heavens and an infallible in hell.

A Relatively Impossible is An Absolute Contingent which implieth an Absolute Impossible.

Such an Implication is extrinsic and not intrinsic , since an Intrinsic implication between an Absolutly
Contingent and an Absolutely Impossible is Absolutely Impossible.

Even if it is accepted that these are Absolutely Impossible instead of relatively Impossible , even then
the stated above cessation is neither Absolutely Impossible nor Relatively Impossible.

Additionally this so called argument is not valid on Lahorites.

What does this means??

Mirza: is trying to mislead and misguide his listeners.

He is neglecting the basic principle that cufr is generated from denouncing the Finality of the Holy
Prophet.

Instead of it Mirza: is generating Cufr from the mentioned above generation. Then he is suggesting
that Cufr is Generation from the stated above generation. Then he is attempting to shew an
implication between the negation of the Claim of Mirza: Qa:diani and the declaration of Cufr by
Mah:mudites.

Finally if such arguments are valid then let it be allowed to make a parallel Ta’:li:q .

Even if Mah:mu:dites cease to declare Muslims as Ca:fir even then they are not Muslims.

A humble request

Mirza: Jhelumi: is not telling the truth.

Mirza has said that If Qadianis cease to declare others as Ca:fir then he shall cease to declare them as
Cafir.

This is a certain Cufr. But now Mirza: Jhelumi has said that his words are taken out of the context.

This is certainly a Curf. Since if it is Muh:al that Mirzai Mah:mudi will accept deniers of the claim of
Prophethood of Mirza Qadiani as Ca:fir even then under the supposition of the occurrence of this
Muh:al

Once again please understand the nature of the problem

It is not the matter that what is impossible for Mah:mudites, the problem is if it is supposed that the
have done the impossible then then Mirza: would not have said what he had said.

Please study both of his cplips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bFRkxlqGWU&t=381s

Now his invalid defence shews that he is expert in the art of deceiving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSmSsZAjxw

There is nothing out of context.