Session #15

Sunday, June 18, 1995

6:45 PM

Group participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), Debbie (Catherine), Ron

(Olivia), Elizabeth (Elizabeth), Jim (Yarr), Jo (Joseph), and, arriving late,
Christie (Oliver).

ELIAS: Good evening. We are, once again, meeting in your evening. As I have stated
previously, this evening will consist of our discussion of your religious focus
and element of your essence. I am aware that this is causing much confusion as to
our choice of terminology of religious element. I have explained this does not
only have to do with what you term religion, but religion, in your terms, is a
tremendous expression of this element of your essence. This is why this is an
appropriate term for this subject. There are many sections or parts of this
elemental focus. We shall endeavor to speak of each of these.

One issue of this element concerns your ability to fragment. One issue of this
element concerns your creativity and imagination in creating what you term your
religions. One issue of this element concerns your beliefs of good and evil. This
issue of your religious element also incorporates your belief systems, which are
individual to each of you. These are incorporated by you and acquired in this and
other focuses. Belief systems are not limited to only this physical focus on this
particular planet. Each focus that you endeavor in your essence incorporates
belief systems. The focus of the religious element is quite complex. It also
incorporates how you view your world and yourselves. It incorporates how you view
what you term to be your God, in whichever religious belief you choose to identify
with. It would also incorporate your entire psychological make-up, or more
concisely put, your psyche. All things having to do with your individual essence
are incorporated in this focus. I will offer you the choice of which issue you
would like to begin with.

JIM: The choices being, whether a God within our own belief system or, I’m sorry.
I don’t understand our choices.

DEBBIE: Could you repeat our choices, Elias?

ELIAS: Each of these issues I have just stated are all parts of your religious
focus and element. They are all different. Your religious creations is one. Your
fragmenting ability is one. Your physical focus is one. Your issue of belief
systems, in this or other focuses, is one. Your issue of good and evil is another.
These are all aspects of this element. As I have said, all things that you deem
concerning your individual selves, as you view yourselves and your belief systems,
are incorporated in this one element. This is why it will take much time and
consideration to explain.

JO: Can we speak of good and evil?

DEBBIE: That’s what I would like to hear.

ELIAS: Acceptable. This is where we shall begin ... your thoughts of good and
evil. This will incorporate your belief systems. Of this issue you will notice
that your belief systems on this particular subject are not globally held. There
are some cultures on your planet that do not hold the same beliefs of good and
evil, or right and wrong, as you do. This, first of all, should express to you
that your belief systems, of your terms of good and evil, are relative. They are
not basic truths. They are only expressions of your belief systems. The majority
of your people in this country, which you inhabit presently, are focused basically
with a Christian belief system. These people have manifested in this country
carrying these belief systems with them from previous developmental focuses. In
this same regard, over the course of many developmental focuses, you incorporate
these belief systems so deeply into your focus that they are natural to you. They
are not just a concept of a belief system. You do believe these things. Even when
you disconnect from a particular religious focus, you still hold to basic belief
systems that are taught by these religious concepts. (To Vicki) I am apologizing.
I am trying to slow down.

JO: Does good and evil always have ... to me, good and evil doesn’t necessarily
have anything to do with religion.

ELIAS: I will continue. It does not have to do with religion per se, but it does
have to do with acquired belief systems. These acquired belief systems are greatly
influenced by religious beliefs. As I have stated, they may not be an
incorporation from this particular developmental focus. This does not make these
belief systems any less real. They have carried through from previous
developmental focuses. This is why you will meet certain individuals who seem to
be drawn to or attracted by beliefs incorporating what you might term earth magic
connections. This may not be a focus from this particular developmental focus.
They may not have been raised from a small child with these belief systems, but
later in life they become drawn to these belief systems because they were
incorporated in a previous developmental focus.

Evil, as is good, are relative terms. In your essence, neither exists. Then, you
say to me, “How do bad people exist”? There are no “bad people”! There are
negative expressions. This is a complicated issue. Evil, as you perceive it, is
only an expression of experience. Do you all collected here believe there are
little red evil creatures running around your universe? I anticipate, no, you do
not. (Smiling) You also, collected here, do not believe you are going to end up in
a fiery dungeon with a giant horned devil! This is a fantasy. It is an invention
of imagination, a very colorful and very artistic invention of imagination, and
quite worthy of great acknowledgment for creativity. But, it is not reality.
Therefore, if you do not believe in this opposite side of the Creating Universal
One and Whole, how then can you believe in an essence being evil? It does not
exist, either.

There are negative expressions in physical focus. These are not evil. You may look
at those who create situations of grave crimes that you deem against humanity,
ones that you will put into your jails. Their behavior in your focus is not
acceptable. This is because it is not conforming to what you term the “norm”. From
small children, you are told an expression of what you deem to be of the “norm”.
This does not always conform with your essence. Some essences are more expressive
than other essences in this physical focus. If allowed to act on their natural
impulses from small children, there will be no blocking of impulses and no
building up, as in our geyser effect. When they reach their adolescence and
adulthood, there will be no need for a particular eruption in an unacceptable
manner. Then you will say to me, “But what of small children who behave in an evil
way”? (Pause, and then to Christie, who has just arrived) Good evening, Oliver.

CHRISTIE: Good evening, Elias.

ELIAS: I have missed your presence.

CHRISTIE: Thank you. I’ve missed yours, too.

ELIAS: These children have many reasons for expressing what you will term an evil
manner. Some, as very small children, may be influenced by a previous
developmental focus. This will affect their psychological and expressive dealings
with those around them, and also with themselves. If one has remanifested too
quickly without allowing an adjustment, this may cause a confusion, and cause this
individual in a physical focus to behave what you will term inappropriately or
unacceptably. They may choose an expression of extreme anger. They may also choose
an expression of retreat into themselves.

There are many reasons for expression of negative behavior. This does not classify
a person or an essence as evil. It is only an experience. They may not be aware in
this physical focus of this experience, but this is due to your collective belief
systems, also. If your belief systems were not in such tremendous working order,
these essences would be allowed to express themselves early in their individual
developmental focus, therefore not needing to continue in a more stressful manner
later in their life. I am quite sure you have each individually, as adults in this
focus, experienced times where you were aware that you were blocking an emotion or
an impulse. If you will notice, when you do this it does not disappear. It only
returns in greater magnitude to bother you more than it originally did. If
expressed initially, it may be allowed to be set free.

You do this action so well and so often, in your physical focus, that you create
much conflict within yourselves. In each of you, you choose to only be destructive
in blocking to yourselves. In another essence, it may not choose to be destructive
to itself. It may choose to be destructive outwardly. This will affect other
essences. This also, please remember, is an agreement when it affects another
essence. If you choose, in a physical focus, to be destructive to your own self,
that is your choice and involves no other essences. If you choose to outwardly
express this negativity it will affect other essences, and must be agreed upon
before.

There are also instances where an essence will choose and make agreements to be
destructive for this particular experience. It may also choose to change its mind.
As I have said, no thing is carved in concrete. Therefore, if an essence makes an
agreement to be destructive or violent, and then chooses not to be, this does not
mean that the other essence in the agreement is sitting there saying, “Now what
shall I do? I am not going to be killed today”! This is not the case. As soon as
you change an agreement, it is instantly known to the other essence and accepted.
It is not necessary to make a previous agreement of this changing, for the
possibility or probability always existed anyway.

I understand that it is very difficult for you to accept that a person in your
physical focus would not be termed as evil or bad. This is only because you need
an explanation of behavior that you deem is unacceptable. There is, obviously, no
unacceptable behavior, or you would not experience unacceptable behavior. If it
was not acceptable for you to choose an experience of violence, or destruction, or
hurtfulness, it would not occur. Your essence would not allow it, but there is no
thing that is unacceptable. They are only experiences.

How strange it is that you may accept unacceptable behavior from a small tribe
that you would term “primitive”. This, in your focus, is acceptable. If they
choose to kill each other, or maim each other, or even eat each other, you accept
this, for they are not “civilized”. Their essence is no different from your own.
What makes this behavior acceptable for their essence, but not for your own? This
is an illustration to tell you there is no difference. You choose to see a
difference because of your belief systems. A native in a jungle may express
unacceptable behavior, and be harmful. An individual in a civilized society, such
as your Romans, you view now through history as unacceptable, although at the time
of these Romans, it was acceptable to them, also.

Throughout your history of this planet, your species has expressed unacceptable
behavior, and there have always been those in each developmental focus that will
inform you that this behavior is unacceptable. This is incorrect. It is only
experiences. It is always agreements. It is not a matter of right and wrong. I
have expressed that this subject would be still unacceptable to you, and that it
would be, in yourselves, argued. (Smiling) I understand this. It is a difficult
concept to accept. Also remember, though, what I express to you does not come from
a belief system, as I have stated. It comes from a widening awareness of essence,
and truths.

JO: I guess the hardest part I have with dealing with that thing, certain things
being unacceptable is, I don’t understand why, say, an adult would rape an
eighteen month old child. I don’t understand what agreement that could possibly
do. I mean, I don’t understand that.

ELIAS: This is still an expression of your belief systems. There is no correct or

incorrect. It is only what you believe to be correct and incorrect. If you did not
incorporate this belief of correct and incorrect, you would not see expressions of
this act. You will notice that other cultures throughout your history, that you
term not to be civilized cultures, do not express themselves in this fashion. They
do not incorporate this problem. This is a problem brought about by belief systems
which, in consequence to, create blockings of impulses and emotions. Through a
period of several developmental focuses, this blocking of emotion or impulses
builds. It must go somewhere. All energy must be expressed. It is fluid and always
in motion. It does not disappear. Therefore, it will be expressed. It also has no
relation to time. Therefore, it does not matter that you are expressing from
previous developmental focuses, for energy has no relation to time.

This is an overlapping of reality. In one respect, your essence chooses to focus

physically on this planet. In another respect, there are some principles of
universal truth that may not be affected or changed by a focus. One of these
truths is concerning of time. It is only an imaginary creation of your physical
focus. Reality of this situation of time is that because it does not exist, all
things and all focuses affect one another. You cannot separate, just as I have
explained. You cannot separate energy. You also cannot prevent its expression,
even in your physical focus. Therefore, if you did not incorporate your belief
systems in the way that you do, you would not block the impulses and emotions that
are natural to you. Therefore, you will not express these acts that you deem
unacceptable. It would not be necessary. It would not manifest. It would not be
reality in your focus.

This is how your belief systems are so intricate to your physical focus. This is
also why I spend much time explaining how important your belief systems are, and
how affecting they are to your physical focus. Please also remember, as I have
stated, belief systems are not intrinsic to your essence. They are acquired
through developmental focuses in your physical existence of this portion of your
essence. It will be exceedingly difficult for you to understand this concept. I do
not expect that it will be accepted initially. I do not expect it will be
understood. I offer it to you in answer to your question, and in explanation of
reality. I am not “believing” that you accept this. You may, or you may not.
Eventually, in closing your circle, you will understand, and it will be
incorporated. As we spoke previously, there will be no necessity for your violence
or negativity when your circle is completed. This is because your essence will be
incorporated into your physical experience, and will understand that this is an
unnecessary expression.
DEBBIE: Are we then to try to get rid of all of our belief systems?

JIM: How? How can we go about it?

ELIAS: This, first of all, is not possible in this physical focus. I do not speak
to you to dispel your belief systems, only to widen your understanding and
awareness of your essence. In doing this, and in your acknowledgment and awareness
of your essence, you individually will allow unnecessary and unserving belief
systems to drop away. I do not speak to you to change your beliefs. This would be
unacceptable for me! (Smiling) It would also be an expression of an act contrary
to truth. There is a basic respect of all essences and all focuses of essences.
Each focus serves a purpose. Each focus provides an experience. In a focus,
beliefs are necessary. It would be quite defeating to dispel with a necessary
element of your focus. If you did not need belief systems for this physical focus,
you would not have or incorporate them. Therefore, they are necessary. Your
essence is quite aware of much more, though, for it is aware of all of your
individual focuses. You do not manifest only in this one way. You are not only
Catherine or Debbie in this lifetime. Simultaneously, Catherine is many physical
focuses, not only in this dimension, but in many other dimensions, in many other
expressions of this universe. Each expresses itself in different ways. These ways
are all to add experience and color to your essence.

JO: Is it silly for us, or unacceptable for us, to feel compassion for someone who
is having a difficult time in this focus caused by another person in this focus?

ELIAS: No.

JO: So that’s perfectly normal, to feel compassion for someone, and acceptable?

ELIAS: Every expression of your physical focus is acceptable. Just as evil

expressions are acceptable and “normal”, so are your positive expressions of
compassion acceptable. You may find that positive expressions, as you term them,
are much more easily moved through. Expressions, impulses, emotions, and thoughts,
all in this physical focus, are experiences. Negative expressions you may feel to
be thicker and more slowly moved through. You may manifest these expressions of
experience just for that reason, to experience the thickness and slowness of them.
Positive expressions and emotions and thoughts are much more fluid, and more
easily moved through. This is why you will experience a “letting go” and a “flying
away” of positive expressions much more quickly than negative expressions, if you
equate them with energy thickness. You will find that negative expressions are of
slower vibrational quality. This is why you will experience what you call
“dwelling on bad things” for so long, as opposed to a very brief, although well
felt, expression of positive energy.

You, in your physical focus of this dimension, also seem to have a very common
attraction to this slowness. You have such an attraction to this slowness and
negative feeling and expression that you glorify it. You will express to one
another that it is holy and sacred to be a martyr. You hold very tightly to this
slowness and thickness. There is also, though, an explanation for this focus. In
your natural state of essence, your vibrational quality is very rapid. It is very
fast. It is very light. Therefore, in wishing experiences of other kinds, you
choose to manifest, and express, and dwell, and recreate, and repeat slow
vibrations, which would be termed negative experiences. You even enjoy “feeling
bad”! (Laughter)

JIM: Do drugs and alcohol fit into this category of slowing things down, or trying
to, that affects our experiences? But when you’re induced into these states, you
think that other things are happening, but then think in reality that it’s hurting
yourself? Interfering with your ability to experience fully?

ELIAS: This subject is also complicated. You do experience some ingestion of some
substances to lower vibrational quality even slower than it already is. This
causes a depressed state in your physical body. This also can reflect in your
psyche, as a reaction physically. This is your desire to express even slower than
you already are. In this case, if you express much slower, you will become a rock!
(Smiling, followed by laughter)

There are also other expressions with substances which alter your chemistry of
your body, which speed up your physical body. They raise your vibrational quality
higher than it is normally. This is done with the intent of experiencing a closer
connection with your original vibrational quality. In physical focus, you forget
that these elements or substances will never raise your vibrational quality to
your essence level, but you forget how to reconnect, and how to “go home”. So, you
induce an artificial expression. There are some substances which also produce a
euphoric state, and create what you term hallucinations. These also are an
expressive attempt to reunite and connect with your essence state. You may, I will
suggest, do this quite efficiently in your dreams, with no outside substances.

Substances ingested into your body not only alter your chemistry and confuse your
make-up in your physical expression, but they interact with your belief systems.
You are taught that they are “bad”. Therefore, whether you express that they are
not, your belief systems incorporate that, and you will physically express adverse
effects, just as you will physically express positive effects from some substances
which you are taught are good. These are all belief systems. Just as good and
evil, one substance is no more good or bad than another. It is all unnatural. It
is all foreign to your original chemistry, although your belief systems allow
substances to react differently. If you believe that a doctor will give you
medicine that will cure an illness, it will. If you believe that an illegal or bad
substance will hurt you, it will. It is depending on what you believe. Also,
though, your belief systems can sometimes be insidious. You may, as I have stated,
think you believe one thing, and in reality you believe another. (Pause) Shall we
interrupt briefly for Michael’s benefit, and return shortly?

BREAK 7:55PM CONTINUE 8:35PM

ELIAS: We will continue. We may, as per your choice, continue with this subject of
your religious element, or we may address to questions. It will be your choice.

CHRISTIE: I have a little question. In discussing the belief system, and lately
I’ve been feeling really good ever since our discussions of the belief system, and
our experiences versus our mistakes. I’ve almost gone through a shift in believing
that. You know, I feel so much better about myself not thinking I’m making
mistakes, but thinking I’m having experiences. And then I have a friend who, on
the negative side and how people hang on to their negative, and they just hang on
and hang on, and they get a lot of whatever they get out of that. How ... I want
to help this person, but I’m not exactly sure how to go about it, other than just
... I mean, is that what we’re doing here, is we’re learning these things so that
we can go out and teach other people these kind of things, you know, to tell
someone that don’t be so bad, hard on yourself, that what you’re doing is not a
mistake, it’s just an experience? Is that feasible, or do you know what I’m trying
to say here?

ELIAS: First of all, let me address to, there is no maybe or possible shifting.
What you have experienced is shifting. Also, in regards to another individual; as
I have stated previously, you may not change another individual. You may express
this thought of experience to another individual, and they may, in their non-
understanding of this concept, look at you ... very tilted! (Here, Elias
demonstrates by tilting his body) They may not necessarily accept what you express
to them. This, as I have expressed to you, is an individual development. Each
essence is at its own development of experience. Not all are experiencing the same
awareness at the same time. We were expressing this same issue with Dimin at
previous session, in regards to concern for a friend, and wishing to “enlighten”
this friend. You do not possess a capability of accomplishing this act.

Each essence, in its physical focus, develops its own awareness in its own time.
In completing of the circle, all essences will come to a mutual point. All will
experience this shift in consciousness. Some will experience this shift with great
trauma. This is because they hold to their belief systems continuously.
Nonetheless, they have, as you have, collectively agreed that the time is correct
for this shift in consciousness. You, as I have explained, are ready to
incorporate more awareness of your essences. You are ready to widen your
awareness. Others, in their physical focus, may not be so ready. This should not
cause concern to you. If these individuals feel safe in their particular belief
systems presently, and wish not to expand them, it is not your job to inform them
otherwise.

I do not speak to you as disciples. I do not instruct you to preach “Elias words”!
This is not my intention. I only focus with you to help in your widening of your
awareness and ease your accomplishment of your shift because you are ready, and
also, as I have stated, because you have asked. Many others have not asked. They
do not wish a helping in this regard. This, in individual essences, you may
attribute to what you would call a stubbornness of personality. This is
acceptable. Each essence is individual, even though it is connected. Each essence
possesses its own personality, which is different from every other essence in
existence. This is what is created of this wonderful variety. It should not
concern you. All essences will come to the same eventual point. It is only a
matter of how they choose to accomplish this.

Just as you may not choose another’s individual developmental focus for them, you
may also not choose their belief systems. You think, sometimes, that you may
change another’s belief systems. Many of your politicians or religious leaders
think, in deluding themselves, that they change individual’s belief systems. This
is not true. They may influence them temporarily, but the individual essence
changes its belief systems, or incorporates other beliefs, itself. It should not
be, as I have said, of concern to you.

Your concern should be with your own awareness of your own essence. You will find
that in incorporating and widening your awareness of your own essence, it will
have a natural effect on those around you. This will not serve to change them
necessarily, but in viewing your essence, it may allow a widening of their own
perception and acceptance of their essence. There are natural effects that are
incorporated by widening your awareness. Just as we have spoken earlier, that when
your circle is completed, your awareness and incorporation of your essence will be
of an extent that it will be unnecessary for negative behavior. This is because
your essence will incorporate its positive focus. It will incorporate its
expression of love and beauty. In widening your own awareness, this also becomes a
natural expression. Therefore, other individuals will notice.

DEBBIE: What was the purpose of us having the negative expression to begin with?
Why didn’t we just always have our natural positive expression?

ELIAS: This is a very good question, but it has a very simple answer. You, in your
natural connected original essence state, have no focus of negative. Therefore, it
does not exist in your reality. It is an expression of your essence for
experience. It is an incorporation of experience. As I have stated, you are never,
were never, will never be perfect, because you are continuing, all before, all
ever after, and all presently, in becoming. Therefore, you incorporate experience
in every focus. It does not matter what the experience happens to be. It is only
an expression, and an experience.

DEBBIE: Is that a necessary one?

ELIAS: This is correct. If you have not experienced, you have limited knowledge.
You may have knowledge of something, but without the experience of this knowledge,
you do not incorporate it as reality. In incorporating your reality, and expanding
and widening continuously, you experience.

DEBBIE: Eventually, our awareness will be expanded beyond all negativity?

ELIAS: This is true, for what you classify presently as negativity may only be
experienced to a certain extent. Just as I have explained of your closing your
circle, your physical expression in this physical focus of manifestations can only
be repeated so many times, before it is not necessary to repeat for the
experience. As I have explained, you may only play a game so many times before you
are bored with this game. In this same regard, you may only experience something
so many times before it is incorporated into your reality, and then there is no
point in continuing this experience. If this were not true, you would be forever
as a small hamster, going around, and around, and around, and around, never
stopping, and always the same, and very boring. You are not boring essences! You
are always becoming. You are always experiencing. You are always creating and
expressing. Therefore, when you have experienced this negative enough, you will
choose another focus and experience that.

As I have stated, you view yourselves and your essences as an orange, in sections.
You believe that when one section is completed and whole, you shall move on to the
next section, and as you do, as an orange in this physical focus, you shall
consume the next section. This is not correct. You do not possess sections. The
Creating Universal One and Whole does not possess sections, either. You are not
individual sections of the orange of the Creating Universal One and Whole! (Here,
Elias chuckles, and we all laugh) Excuse, this sounds very amusing to us, hearing
this expression!

There is no division, but you in physical focus insist on creating this division,
and classifying everything. You will come to an awareness where you will
understand, and you do not need to be in a realm of what you term great masters to
be aware of this. I presently am aware that my essence is widening, and becoming
more aware continually, and constantly fluidly moving. All things are in
continuous motion. There is no stillness. This is only an invention of your
imagination. Nothing is ever still. Energy is fluid, and moving, and expanding,
and changing, continuously. You may not perceive this with your physical outward
senses, but it is reality.

You view your table as stationary, and as solid and still. It is not. It only
moves at a slower vibration than you, just as a rock moves at a slower vibration
than do you. If you were to stop the motion of your planet for a thousand years,
and view a rock, you would see with your physical eyes that the rock has
physically moved over the course of its thousand years. You may not perceive this,
for everything, everywhere, universally, is in motion. Therefore, you do not
perceive much of this motion. As your essence widens and becomes more aware, this
motion and awareness will become known to you. There will be less divisions, and
you will understand.
You will also, in a wider awareness, not experience what you experience in this
focus, as in regards to giving up, or feeling that your expression is not worthy
of your energy anymore. This feeling is only an expression of this physical focus,
out of frustration. Once your focus is widened and incorporated more, there will
only be exhilaration to continue, for there will be no barriers to block you
anymore.

JIM: We were talking during the break about chakras, and the energies within our
bodies, within the Hindu tradition. Are those a part of those, where the energies
are focused in our bodies? Do we have certain energy centers in our bodies?

ELIAS: This would be, in actuality, correct. It may not attach to words such as
“chakras”, but these words are acceptable as definitions in your focus. Energy
does collect in centers. As it does in your physical bodies, it also centers in
places of your planet. You will find certain areas of your earth that are more
concentrated with energy than others. Many individuals are aware of some of these
energy centers, although in reality, because of your manifestation and expression
of energy, you may, in practicing, notice certain areas of your own homes as a
collection of more energy than other areas. You may find a corner of your room, or
a center of your room, or a side, to feel more energy focused than other areas of
your home. This is an expression of your energies and a collection of your energy
that you deposit in your surroundings. You may feel an affinity for a certain
object in your home that you have transferred a portion of your energy to, and
when you view this object or touch this object, you will notice it being charged.

In your physical bodies, you also have centers of energy. Your chakras, as
expressed by your eastern religions, is quite accurate. I will also explain that
this attachment to color, in regards to these energy centers, is also correct.
Color is a universal truth and expression of energy. Color is expressed in my
focus in energy, and in every other focus or awareness of essence. It only takes
on a greater expression, as I explained in speaking of Michael’s prism, in that it
now appears to be white in color but, in actuality, contains and is an expression
of all colors. This also, I have explained, he may not only view as you view
colors, but when he becomes more aware, he may experience these colors, just as
you experience the same colors in your energy centers. It would serve you well, in
your understanding of yourselves and your essence, to focus more on your colorful
energies than to focus on your physical expressions of maladies. Is this
understood?

JIM: Yes, thank you. It’s very understood.

RON: You stated that your essence is expanding, as ours is, which I would
interpret to mean that you’re learning just like we are, “in our terms”. Do you
feel that you’re learning from us, and if so, what?

ELIAS: No. I do not learn from you. This is not meant to be an “insultingness” of
your focus. I have experienced this focus already. I have learned from the
experience of this physical focus. It is not necessary for my experience anymore.
My learning, as you would interpret it, is from essences who are expanded wider
than my own focus, and have incorporated even more of their awareness of their
entire essence, although there is no essence which has incorporated everything,
for then they would be perfect, and there is no perfection. As I have said, you
are not attaining to something, as I am not attaining to something. I, as you,
already possess everything. It is only a question of my incorporation and my
awareness of my own divinity, as is the same with your essences. There is no
higher expression, only wider. I will also express, though, I impart to you the
experience of my awareness, as others express to me the experience of their
awareness. Just as my imparting to you spurs you to higher vibrational motion in
widening of your awareness, their imparting to me spurs me, likewise. (Here, Jim
says “Like rice”?) We are not expressing of oriental foods, only oriental words of
energy centers! (Smiling, followed by much laughter)

DEBBIE: I’m intrigued on past lives. I know it’s not supposed to be that
important, and I don’t really dwell on it, but you had mentioned “Fragonard”. Can
you enlighten me on that name a little bit more?

ELIAS: This was (pause) a painter, an artist of unusual quality for his time
period, and not conforming with traditional focuses. Also of much traveling in
that particular focus, with much expression of passion and emotional focus, much
incorporation into focus of fancifulness. Also, an incorporation of some
stubbornness in not conforming to political pressure, but in later time was
persuaded in conforming to more conventionalism of thought and expression. This
seems to be a common expression with your essence, a wanting to strike out
individually and express of your own beliefs and feelings, and feeling a need for
conformity as being expressed by outside individuals affecting this essence. This
essence has been very emotionally focused in many developmental focuses. This has
created conflict in each developmental focus, sometimes greater than others. This
essence has also repeated in an artistic expression many times, for this
expression is an outlet personally and individually for expression, which cannot
be denied by other individuals. I would say, very creative of you. Even in
conforming with political focus as Fragonard, there was still tremendous
expression personally. You will find in identification with yourself that your
expression has changed much in that particular developmental focus, and in others.
If you wish only that developmental focus, you may investigate your own self, you
own style, as being very changing, as in contrary to other individuals focused in
artistic expression who continue in like expression throughout a particular
developmental focus. This is not expressing or including young ages of
experimentation. This is an expression of matured focus.

We will also, in this regard, since you have allowed us this opportunity for this
subject matter, we will give Michael his wishes. This developmental focus, which I
have expressed with one name, I have also expressed that this one name was with me
at my passing. This was an intentional misleadingness. It was not to say that it
was incorrect, for it was, as in essence, his essence was with me at my passing,
and tremendously comforting. I have also stated, that in that developmental focus
we were not connected, as we were not physically. You may express to Michael the
other names of Pierre were also Auguste Renoir, with a birth date in his year of
1841. If he is wishing of more confirmation, he may ask, and this time I will
listen.

DEBBIE: He did dream of Vigee’. What connection is she?

ELIAS: This I will not give him information of, for I have given him this name in
this time period in hopes of his desire for investigation, and he may find this
information for himself!

CHRISTIE: You had mentioned in the Friday session, that I wasn’t there, that there
was a connection between Joseph and myself.

ELIAS: This is correct.

CHRISTIE: Could you elaborate on that, please?

ELIAS: This was in the developmental focus of our connection of Mary and Joseph.
This was humorous, “Mary and Joseph”! (Smiling) Joseph was another friend with
Mary. She was an extremely popular actress, and had many friends and connections.
CHRISTIE: Did we ask if my last name was Anderson, or did we just assume that? In
that developmental focus was my name Anderson? Mary Anderson?

ELIAS: Anderson. Correct. (Pause, and then to Vicki) Yes?

VICKI: I have no question. I’d like to go back to the religious focus, but it’s
not a question. It’s a statement.

ELIAS: Which issue of this religious element?

VICKI: The fragmentation.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) We are aware that Lawrence has much difficulty with this
subject! (Laughter) In your essence state you possess the ability to fragment,
just as the Creating Universal One and Whole has fragmented all essences. The only
reason you have so much difficulty with this issue is because you are accustomed
to thinking in linear time terms. It is quite difficult for you to understand
sections at the same time. This is why I stress that there are no sections.
(Chuckling) I could choose to play with you, and confuse you even more than you
are! (Laughter) I will not do this. In your beginning of this planet; we will
start there. Maybe this will be, in its limited explanation, easier for you to
understand. If you have a time element involved, you will still have to dispel
with the sections. (Laughing)

Let us give an example of one essence. One essence is focused physically. It

continues in its expression of experiences. As it continues through time in its
natural expressions, and sleeping and waking time, it experiences itself in each
state. This individual, completing a certain developmental focus, dies. Therefore,
it emerges to another developmental focus. Let us say this individual remanifests
four times. In its fourth developmental focus it chooses to recall, in its
dreaming state, another developmental focus. This, in your linear terms, being
only a memory. It then chooses in that dream state, being aware of its creating
power that it possesses, decides to give existence independently (laughing) to its
dream. (Grinning widely) It is so difficult to explain this concept to you without
dispelling the time or section elements. Anyway, the individual allows the dream
memory to become alive. It realizes that the dream is differently focused. It
realizes that the dream is another dimension. Maybe with dimensions, we may
incorporate sections.

In this other dimension, the individual may allow this memory of another
dimensional focus to become incarnate. Therefore, the incarnation goes from there,
experiencing its own experiences, experiencing its own development and choices.
This does not eradicate the memory of this past developmental focus. It does
continue from its so-called starting point. Where you will find much difficulty is
incorporating no time and no sections, for you may also fragment a future
developmental focus. You must also understand that this particular fragment is no
different and possesses no less experiences or essence quality than your own. So,
although it begins when you fragmented it from your developmental focus, it was
also present and aware when you began your first developmental focus, just as you
have always been present and undivided from the Creating Universal One and Whole,
without a beginning.

Let us say, for another example, you, in this dimension and developmental focus,
have an abundance of a particular thought or emotion which you would consider
subconscious. Not being consciously aware in your dream state today, you choose to
pull from yourself this particular focus of thought or emotion. In your dream, you
attach this to another you. You pretend in your dream that you separate this
excess or unwanted part of you to this duplicate you in your dream. What you do
not realize is that you have created another you in another dimensional focus,
possessing an individuality and essence of its own. This is not to say that every
developmental focus that you have, fragments. It does not. It is only if you
choose to give this developmental focus independence of your essence, and if that
developmental focus has desire to continue independently. It is a cooperation of
your self. (Elias, referring to Vicki, says) He is really confused! (Laughter)

Shall I convolute you farther? You may also incorporate, in your fragmentation,
other dimensional focuses that are not even familiar to you, for your essence is
focused in all dimensional focuses. Therefore, you may be simultaneously
experiencing, in another dimension, an existence that is completely “alien” to
you. You may choose to fragment a particular focus in that dimension, and allow
that individual to possess its own essence. This will also explain to you your
phenomenon of your individuals, physically focused here on this planet,
encountering what they believe to be “aliens”, but also identifying with these
“aliens” as being part of themselves, or in relation to their lineage. Some
individuals believe that they come from “aliens”. This is because, similarly to
their present experience and physical existence, they are. Period.

JIM: So, is that to say that on this planet, we are not the only beings that have
physically focused? There are other beings on other planets that have been
physically focused?

ELIAS: This planet inhabits you as physically focused here, but your creations in
other dimensions do, as we have expressed, “bleed through” and connect with you,
but just as you are singularly physically focused in this dimension, so they are
also, even in being part of your essence, focused singularly in another dimension.
Sometimes they do not understand their connection with you any more than you
understand your connection with them. There are other instances where you may be
widening, in another dimension, more quickly than you are in this dimension.
Sometimes another focus of your essence will be in contact with this dimensional
focus, in trying to instruct this dimensional focus on how to widen your
awareness. I am not the only one who speaks to you.

DEBBIE: I want to make sure I did not misunderstand something involving the
fragmentation process. Are we fragmenting something that we no longer wish to
have?

ELIAS: This is not necessarily true. It can be, but in doing this you must be
aware that if you pull from yourself a focus which you do not desire, you must
think of the consequences that you create in creating another essence from what
you would think of as your own “left-overs”, and what that individual’s existence
will consist of.

DEBBIE: Did you know what you were doing when you fragmented Catherine and Kasha?

ELIAS: Yes. You are not walking around in circles like a hamster. You have been
given your individuality and your own choices. This is because you possessed a
desire to do so. If I were to extend, in your terms, back far enough in physical
developmental focuses, you were a past developmental focus of mine, and were me,
and I was you. Your desire to be your own essence is what created you into
yourself. Now we shall make you really think, in that you have done this already,
but you presently here are a past developmental focus of your future. (Confused
laughter)

JIM: Is that part of the circle?

ELIAS: This is the interconnectedness, where you may not separate into sections.
(Here, Elias laughs) You will understand, and you will balance. Your awareness
will widen and it will be understood by you. It is not ultimately important that
you understand everything. It will eventually incorporate. Do not work so hard
with your brain to figure it out. It will come to you. We would not be wishing, as
we have said, for Lawrence to create a “brain-ache”! (Everybody, including Elias,
laughs)

Are we wishing for discontinuation of session? (Everybody agrees) This is

acceptable. Then I will bid you all a good evening, and express not to think to
hard on these things, but recognize in your soul, and your focus will widen
automatically. I will be visiting each of you in connection with your essence, and
you will know when it is me. Good evening. (We end at 10:30 PM)