and welcome to the wine show.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're a little bit late, but at least we got the video done
right. No, no, we didn't we didn't. Actually it was all for nothing. I'M really frustrated. We are doing a
thermoelectric cooled computer, but instead of doing it kind of the like the the janky way well to be clear, it's still
janky, it's probably the janki's thing we've ever made. We recently did a video on Peltier or tech cooling, with the
basic conclusion being that it's a giant boatload of suck. We spent about $ 300 to get pretty much the same, not
actually worse, performance than with a standard water, cooling, radiator and at the fantastic cost of a couple
hundred watts of power consumption. So we've taken all those learnings and we have crumpled them into a big
ball and put them in a fire, because today's video is all about taking Peltier, cooling and amping it up a notch pun
intended this right here is a 545 watt tell chain, thermoelectric cooling Module so we are gonna Pump, a walk 10
occur, insert we're gonna have a hot side. We'Re gonna have a cold side, and we are gonna have potentially a real
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screwdrivers and you can get yours at the link in the video description, [, Music ]. So I noticed that you designed a
water block. Is there a reason that other than flexing the new workshop here, that we didn't just use a standard
water block and put it on top of the tech yeah? So a water block like this, even though it looks size-wise like it's,
should be a pretty frigid yeah CPUs only on the die. They really create a lot of heat. No water blocks only really
cool the center right, so the actual fin structure of a typical CPU water block is only about this big. So what
happens then to our tech? If we only cool the center of it, it just won't be as efficient and it's gonna get really hot
around the edges got. Oh, we had to design this fairly massive block like if you it's hard to get a sense of the scale
when we're looking at it like. So how big is it the scale like these mounting holes right here? Yeah are the same,
but but the actual site we're actually going almost right to it. So it's quite a bit like yeah, it's like about this big, so
we have a 65 millimeter in our channel thing, which is just a bit larger than the diameter of this. So it should work
pretty well unless it doesn't another reason we had to design. Our own block was that it needs to have some
special functionality like okay, it's great in theory to say you stick this on top to cool the hot side and then the CPU
gets cooled by the cold side. But what keeps this in place? Not just in place but clamped against the cooling
element so that it gets optimal thermal transfer. Well, that's where this type of sandwich design comes in, so you
can see. We'Ve got our cooling element here on the top, and then you can actually see this very nice attention to
detail by the way. I think I like this, the Polli it's going and everything you can see. The Peltier element is
sandwiched in between. Then we've got these right here. These bolt throughs are going to hold these pieces
together, really really tightly and bind them to this. This cold plate at the bottom. So for much the same reason as
we can't just attach a tiny cooling element to the top of the hot side of the Peltier and expect optimal efficiency.
We can't take the cold side of the Peltier and put that against a tiny, little CPU and hope that we're getting the
most cooling out of it. So we need to have something to spread the cooling and that's gonna be another copper
plate on the bottom. That it's also sandwiched around it yeah. So another problem that we have is that if you just
put this on a full-bore like, if you just attach it to a power supply sure it's gonna cool down really really fast, I'm
really cold yeah. So we could end up with condensation. I mean really condensation yeah condensation a lot to
get water around your CPU, not a great time. So that's why we have this guy right here, it's a PID controller, and
do you know what PID is? Actually, I don't know what it stands for proportional, integral and derivative okay. So in
a nutshell, this is like an on-off switch. Temperature goes in and it says yes that is okay or no. That is not okay, and
if the temperature is okay, then it sends a signal to this guy and says: don't turn on the Peltier, and if the
temperature is not okay, it's too high it's higher than what we want. You know say: hey hell, shake kick on and this
will turn on our block yeah. So that's all well and good, although it's a bit sketchy to just have all of that electronic
stuff put on the table, mm-hmm yeah. So all that's going in this nice little box right here, fun, which you might
have noticed this doesn't quite fit. So we can either cut a hole in the top and have a big old fan, or we can cut a
slot and have it just sticking out the side. I'M a fan of that one, because it's easier, hmm, okay, it sticking out the
side cool. You might be looking at this rather primitive block and thinking there's no way that's going to cool a
545 watt Peltier, so I'm going to prove it should be fine using solidworks flow simulation for the simulation. We'Ve
got a 545 watt heat source, some thermal paste and a fluid input with the flow rate of a d5 pump. The only real
assumption that I've, the water would reach a steady state temperature of about 42 degrees, which seems
reasonable enough. Given the huge radiator that we're using after running the simulation, we can see that the
flow does a reasonably good job of going through the fins and the water, ASIS and temperature by about two
degrees, while making its way from one side to the other. A temperature of the Peltier Rises quickly at first, but it
hits steady-state at around 54 degrees after a minute or two, which seems slightly low to me, but basically
confirms that if we have, a problem is probably not due to bad cooling. Oh man, this is gonna, be like the most full
send video we've done in a while, but it's done right, it's like done, but not to like, where I normally would get it
before a video. Are you sure yeah? So we have the bottom bit. This also known as the base. Yes, the base, yep CPU
contacts, the bottom here, yeah Peltier, that's pretty flat yeah. Actually, you left the stuff, oh okay. Well, that
explains it so yeah Peltier. It goes on there Wow, which way not sure we need to turn it on to find that out and
there's okay, there's a little trace. That'S in there. That'S where our thermocouple goes. Okay, neat yeah! There we
go, we've got the also Labbit yep, also left. All the surfaces were left in this okay and we're good to go all right. So
why don't we get this mess assembled and see where we go from there yeah? We basically have two tasks to do
here: okay, one: we need to make a water cooler gloop and maybe equip this motherboard for Sub Zero.
Depending on how we're feeling - and the other thing is this sketchy box here, he needs to be turned into a
sketchy box that works, so everything that needs to be here is there, but none of it is so none none of it soldered
yeah, so they get To watch off solder and cringe again, yeah they're gonna be really happy about that. So this
right here is our solid state relay it's gonna just turn our tech on and off, based on how cold it is, and if it's gonna
cause condensation and crap pretty much all it's going into there. We have these two power supply leads that
they're, just Kayla, Maude, cable extensions goes in. There goes to the solid state relay and then out through this
port here to the Peltier and should be good okay. So I've got a bit of an update for y'all. First of all, here is our
weight. Update. Number two is this: is the radiator Alex was talking about, so this actually had a dedicated video
on the channel like five years ago or something like that, but it's the phobia G changer 1080. Basically, it's three
triple 120. Mil rads glued together to make for a nine by 120 millimeter radiator, so we're gonna we're gonna pop
that, like it's hot and it's gonna cool things down good news, everyone, oh! What'S up, I found the perfect fans to
use for our radiator here. These are actually the ones from whole room water, cooling from the last setup that we
did. That was this ridiculous and all of these someone who disassembled it just left all of the screws like in the
fans, so I don't even have to go, find radiator screws. I just put these in just wrapping up the radiator here and
that's it. However, many friggin watts of cooling that is these are dirty in like a really unsettling way: okay, Kate.
Okay, so if I said I was five minutes from Waterloo completion, how close are we so everything in here is wired up,
except that we need to do the painful bit. These two guys right here need to get the chop-chop and then what
they get soldered together. Go to here and there and we're good to go. Oh, I see okay yeah. What else do we
need to do? Besides that these two holes are experienced at the restaurant at all my favorite yeah? All right, I
guess I'm gonna thread. This thing wait. We have a proper tap now, don't we do? We have a beautiful candle? Yes,
whoa, yeah. Look at that thing! Look at this Wow, it's almost like it was made to do this. I'Ve never been this
excited to have leverage. It only needs to be straight enough. Oh okay: well, this is not going well, so you won't be
able to see it very well, but basically, I'm checking if the o-ring is squeezed against the plexi there and it looks like
they are squeezed all the way around all right. I think I got him this box right here might be the sketchiest thing
I've ever done like look at this. It'S just it's a bit of a mess. It'S a bit of a mess and we're putting like there's AC
power in here. We'Ve got. What'S going to be nearly like 600 Watts going through freaking lever nuts, are we
going to start a fire? It'S all within the rating? Okay, these are 32 amps rated at that and we're expecting 32 amps.
So so, where do I connect this to so we need to put some wires onto here, yep and then those I was thinking,
maybe just love or not them to those. So we can disconnect it if you want got it yeah soon, very soon. Okay, this is
probably the cold side, so we're gonna gamble and I'm just gonna start assembling it. Alright. Alright, here comes
all the thermal goop. This is disgusting. This stuff is nasty. Wait hold aside heat absorb, oh crap, I put it in upside
down. Oh no oh, come on. How could I do that? We were gonna have to give up and start wearing show at some
point here, though yeah. So what was that about? Not wanting to do this project the sketchy way cuz. I seem to
recall you saying something about that. Oh I just remember like at the start. I had so many aspirations, so this
would not be totally gee. I want to see this thing: fire up yes'm and I'm at the point where, even if it is literal fire, I
will settle for it. Okay. So before I put this, I should show you guys to finished assembly. So here's where our water
cools the hot side of the Peltier, which is sandwiched in there and then here, is where the cold side cools our CPU
Alex. I can just put this on now right, yep and you're good to do your soldering on the leads for the text just like
on here right, yes, sure, good, because that's what you're doing okay! This is not an amazing mounting
mechanism, but I happen to have some screws. Oh, that are almost exactly the right length, so we are going for a
hard mount that is gnarly. The good news is you're gonna get all that mounting pressure. You wanted yep the bad
news is we might crack this piece of acrylic all right. Well, I'm gonna plug this in here. If I have to blast a Titan r-tx,
I'm gonna be so pissed off all right. So it's a power supply. I'M going to turn it on nothing died. Yet that's a good
sign! So now I'm gonna put this on and if bad things happen, I'll just flick the switch and turn it back off. So three
two one the fan didn't turn on should it have. Hmm. Imagine something being potentially miswired in there all
right. We should probably go to you and show yep, okay, so heat. We don't want that. We want cool yay, we did it,
so I can put this down yep. Okay, all right. So this right here is set right. Now it's just 220 degrees, mm-hmm, okay,
but that seems fine. The solid state relay actually is working like. How do you know because this right here has a
sketchy connection yeah? So if you pull it out, I'm here clicking and when you put it in you can hear it go cool
coming in hot. What the hell! Well, I couldn't find a big jug, so that was such a good opportunity to like plug the
merchant. Have the merch to I just need more, do you have the water bottle yeah, I know, but that also has my ice
water in it. I was drinking that so we could have used like three all right. Let'S fill this thing. Okay. Well, there's one
mug down all right: now the game is on. Oh, it's not leaking, so that's good! So is there water running through
that loop yeah? Oh, you can also see that the bubbles are coming in here and they're, going not just through the
middle, but also all the way around too okay, and so so the block design is working as intended. Oh my god. So
that means the radiator is full, which is good. Oh ballsacks, my well, it's a good thing. Those fans were dead. The
tech is so close to working. Yeah yeah, are you sure, not 100 %? As you said it a couple times now. I am slightly
more confident this time. That'S nice, if only confidence was what it took to make something work, then the
Hindenburg probably couldn't have been quite such a disaster. What how is that related at all? Well, they were
confident it was gonna work. I bet, or they wouldn't have put a bunch of people in it yeah. It worked really well for
quite a while. So we didn't run into this when we were using just a small Peltier, but it occurred to us that with so
much power we might be running into over current protection limits on the PCI Express connector. So I thought
well, why don't we use the eight pin EPS connector, which is the CPU power connector instead and see if we can
overcome the problem? That way, and here what's really convenient is that this is not by design, and you shouldn't
ever do this. If you can avoid it but fun fact, you can jam an EPS male connector into a PCI Express female
receptacle and all the pins will make contact. It'S just really like it's kind of a back to get it back out. So all we have
to do is redo the the wiring here, your adapter, so it's actually a pretty it's almost a plug-and-play solution, plug in
tray. More like it all right. Good luck! Everybody, oh well! Temperatures dropping temperatures dropping very fast,
really at 20 degrees. 19. Don'T touch that we're at 16 degrees yeah, that's, definitely working okay, whoa, so we're
ready to rock yes. Should we see if our relay works, because maybe there really wasn't the problem before well, if
we want to just jam the other ones into this than the other power supply? Might work wait? Oh right, the relay is a
good right yeah. We want the relayed. Oh yeah, okay, okay, oh man, I told you this is hard to take out so
theoretically, this turns on yeah drops to 15 degrees and then the relay and what stops it? Really? Okay, all right!
It'S on! Okay, the temperatures are up and real fast now, so we just went past 15 degrees, Oh yep, and the thing
the thing hit turned off. Oh, this definitely needs some tuning, though oh yeah, so just auto-tune, if you hold that
that was not necessary, jeebus, okay and so the relay doesn't work Alex. I'M not totally sure you just have it
configured wrong because our oh it is this thing. The negative temperatures seems like no fun. It was great so
because the relay now serves absolutely no purpose. We don't have to deal with its limitation when it comes to
reading negative temperature values, check it out. The old, yellow and gray multi logger thermometer makes an
appearance. It'S back from the dead baby, okay, so CPU temps are dropping, dropping we're at 15, 11. 4 3 on the
tack. So we need to hit this thing with a load because we had idle like this is such cooling overkill, but it is
ridiculous, like we can't. We can't keep turning it on and off like this all the time so which one classroom I'm
gonna, maybe BMW. What'S the speed out right now? Okay, look! Stop yeah, okay, so BMW CPU! Here we go!
Okay! Here we go. Cpu 10s are up in the 50 60 70 s get that tech turned on baby. Oh yeah, it's on. Can you
overwhelm it already? Oh yeah, it's just 34 35 rattling degrees come on. There'S no way that we did all of this
ports just crap out like that. Oh we're crawling were throttling. We throttled son, we overwhelmed the tech, okay
hold on a second. Let'S stop that stop the blender! Stop the fire wait hold on stop escape yeah, and now it's
dropping like from 40. It'S dropping fast, Alex insisted. We get our hands on a variable voltage power supply, so
here's a 15 to 24 volt power supply. Let'S fire this thing up and you need to be more excited. This is we're doing
work, we're testing it. It'S gonna work, it's gonna be great. I don't actually believe what I just said: okay testing. Oh,
it's going up going up fast, but I can turn up the voltage now. Wobb wobb wobb wobb wobb wobb, we're at 330
watts, now 380 watts how's your temperatures there we're at 22 volts we're at 373 watts. How we do is going up
fast there. I actually didn't bother. Okay, I'm just gonna stop this test great hold on we're at 24, volts 744 watts. I
would probably keep the test on. We are dropping temperature quickly. Here we are at 22. We are 21 we're at 20
degrees, 19 degrees of the feet on the block here, whoa that copper is hot. Okay, I'm sweating right now, yeah the
pumps running holy crap, all right, we're at 900 watts on this thing, all right, we're already up to 90 degrees. On
the CPUs up, if we're doing 90 watts on the tele 900 we're doing down underwater yeah, we're at 105 degrees that
coppers the end of hot somethin smells like burning. We got to turn this off. Okay, if we're drawing like 900 watts
- and it still is thermal throttling - there's no way Tech's are ever going to cool at 7,900, I told you yeah so in a
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