LOVE–Perverted And Pure

a water tank you throw one stone. It becomes a circle. And the circle
expands, expands, expands unless the circle comes to the shore. Similarly
our loving affair begins from personal self to family, from family to society,
community, nation, international. But still, it is imperfect unless the circle
reaches to the lotus feet of God. Then it is satisfied.

Prabhupada: Human life is meant for making a solution of all material problems.
Pusta Krsna: Yes.

Prabhupada: That they do not know. That point is missing that there is another
life which is eternal, blissful, life of knowledge. But they have no idea that we can
eternally live without birth, death, old age, and disease. There is no information,
neither education, but there is a life very… If you get eternal life, then the
tribulations of material life no longer are there: birth, death, old age, and disease.

But they have no idea or information because there is no intelligent man to

understand that there is another life which is eternal, and life of bliss and
knowledge. There is no information. That is the defect of the modern civilization,
they are living like animals. No intelligence. So actually human life is meant for
purifying our existential condition so that we may not be subjected to birth, death,
old age, and disease. That they are missing. They do not know, neither there is
any education, nor university. This Krsna consciousness movement is trying to
educate people on that line. It is not a sentimental religious system, it is an
educational system. How one can transfer himself to eternal blissful life.
Satsvarupa is there?
Hari-sauri: Yes.
Prabhupada: Let him come in. When you have come?
Satsvarupa: A few hours ago.
Prabhupada: So, everything’s all right?
Satsvarupa: Yes.
Prabhupada: Explain to them about eternal life.
Pusta Krsna: Eternal life?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Pusta Krsna: Eternal life is described by Krsna in the Bhagavad-gita: ajo nityah
sasvato ‘yam puranah.
 na jayate mriyate va kadacin
nayam bhutva bhavita va na bhuyah
ajo nityah sasvato ‘yam purano
na hanyate hanyamane sarire
[Bg. 2.20]

Eternal means without a beginning and without an end. So this body, this human
form of life, or tree form of life, or animal form of life, aquatic form of life, it has a
beginning and it has an end. But the person, the soul, has no beginning or end.
This is described by Krsna that: dehino ‘smin yatha dehe, kaumaram yauvanam
jara [Bg. 2.13].

We’ve experienced in our practical lifetime that we were very tiny, youth, we had
a small body, child’s body: kaumaram yauvanam. Then youthful body, then we’re
having old man, old woman’s body, like this. So practically speaking, this body is
constantly changing. Although Krsna gives this example because He is trying to
explain a very fine point of understanding, namely transmigration of the soul: that
in reality the body that we have is changing at every moment, at every instant.

But we can not see that because our consciousness is not so sharp to pick up
when there’s change of body. But Krsna explains, “You can see that you had a
small body, now you have a youthful body, now you have an old man’s body.”
Actually there is a continuum of change at every moment. So this is the changing
material body, and the mind likewise is changing, but the soul, the living entity, is
not changing. And this is experienced practically by the fact that in spite of so
many changes of body that we had we’ve still the same person.

Just like we can remember when we were young children playing in the park or
at the streets, and then older, older, older; going to school; older, family life;
older, now retired; now like this (indistinct). So like this the body is changing in so
many ways but still I’m the same person. This can be practically experienced.
Everyone has this understanding: different bodies but you’re still the same
person. So this spiritual identity should be the real concern, athato brahma
jijnasa. This should be the real concern of the human society, not this temporary
changing body.

The whole human society is presently geared how to satisfy the demands of this
temporary body. So we can see practically that this is fruitless. Ultimately we
have to give up this body; ultimately we have to give up our connection with
society, with family, with everything. So everything should have its proper place
naturally, but the real focus of human life should be on the soul.
This is Krsna consciousness, not only the soul, but the relationship of the soul
with God. So practically speaking, Krsna consciousness is a spiritual movement.
We’re trying to come to the platform, as Prabhupada has been speaking in class
in the mornings about sat-dharma: eternal religion or eternal activity of the soul.
Sat means eternal. Here in this material world everything is temporary. By
accident you may be born in America or in India or in Japan or in a human form
or in a cat form, but it’s temporary. But the soul is eternal and there is also a
place: paras tasmat tu bhavah anyah [Bg. 8.20].

Another place beyond this material world which is called the spiritual world. And
that place is sanatana, that place is eternal, and Krsna also is eternal. So, sat,
sat-dharma or eternal occupation of the soul, eternal religion is that the living
entity should be in this place, this eternal place where there’s no change of body.
That you have to take a body and then give it up, and then according to your
work, take another body and then give it up, revolve in the cycle of birth and
death unnecessarily.

Go to the sanatana atmosphere, and there the sanatana Lord is there, and there
the soul is in its natural environment, and the exchange of love that takes place
in this spiritual world, this is Sat-dharma. So this temporary world of birth and
death, this is asat. Krsna says, duhkhalayam asasvatam [Bg. 8.15]. It’s asat: it’s
a temporary place. We’re taking it to be real just like in a dream we take that the
dream is all in all.

But by chanting this mantra, we will awaken from this maddening materialistic
way of life which is simply binding us up more and more to this false conception
of attachment for this body. Practically we know that we have to give up this
body, but still because everyone in the material world… Prabhupada explained
this morning, it’s just like a mad-man. People are attached… just like if you are
attached to your clothes and you’re thinking that if my clothes are finished, I am
finished. So this is a mad proposition. You can always get another set of clothes.
Similarly we are different from this body. So to be overly attached to this body or
even attached at all is a form of madness. That’s a fact. We analyze this soberly.
Guest (1): You mentioned an exchange of love in the spiritual world.
Pusta Krsna: Yes.
Guest (1): Could you explain that more?
Pusta Krsna: Everyone is exchanging love in this world, we see that practically,
that husband and wife are exchanging love, children and parents are exchanging
love, friend and friend are exchanging love.

There are so many different relationships in which we exchange love. Even

animals like a dog; a cat/dog is exchanging love. It’s been analyzed, experiments
have been done that even a plant is more productive when he knows that the
person who is taking care of the plant is a friend. They speak about the green
thumb. So even plants respond. They are sensitive.