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Sponsor’s Reflection 5
Synod 2019 Open Space was facilitated by Brendan McKeague & Michael Wood
It is not necessarily about coming to an agreed outcome, but a powerful way to gain insight into
each other’s opinions. Invariably new possibilities are realised through the process, and participants
come away with fresh ideas and new avenues to explore.
This valuable dialogue most naturally emerges when people are sitting face to face; connecting us
with ancestors from times past who have sat in circles and talked things out at city gates, at the
market place, or elsewhere.
All members of Synod, and some additional Diocesan staff, were invited to participate in this six
hours of self-organising and emergent dialogue, in response to the gathering question:
Participants made valuable use of the time together, to listen deeply and share ideas. For many
participants, it was the first time they had an opportunity to raise an issue, or have their voice heard,
during Synod.
You can view the Presidential Address and other pre-Open Space explanatory material at the link:
https://anglicanchurchsq.org.au/news-publications/synod/synod-2019/
This Book of Proceedings contains all the notes and plans made by participants on the day. It is a
literal transcription, or summary, of conversation points, as reported by participants themselves. It is
not a verbatim recording, nor a “report” on the day.
The intent of Open Space is to allow room for self-organising and for things to emerge. These notes
capture just a snapshot of conversations and are intended as a prompt for memory, for ongoing
conversation and action for those with passion and responsibility.
The whole place was buzzing with energy for six hours.
A record has been made of each of them and will be compiled into a ‘Book of Proceedings’ which
will be available within the next week or so.
The Book of Proceedings will be sent to each member of Synod so you have it available for
reference as you take forward the things you have committed yourself to in the conversations. You
will have it all in your hands.
As you read the Book of Proceedings and mull over what has been recorded, it’s likely that you will
come across conversations that you were unaware were going on today, or that you didn’t
participate in today but would like to contribute to, going forward. Having access to the whole
proceedings with names of contact people for each project will enable you to join in that work as it
unfolds.
The Book of Proceedings will also become a resource for the Diocesan Council and each of the five
commissions. Each official body will be asked to review the Book of Proceedings to identify
conversations and actions that strike them as potentially fruitful for their work and to take steps to
support and remain informed about those conversations and actions.
The proceedings will also be published on the Diocesan website so that they become available as a
resource for every Parish council, school, organisation, and indeed every Anglican who might want
to involve themselves, contribute to or follow what happens from here.
I hope and pray that the conversations and plans that have emerged from these sessions and
recorded in the proceedings will continue to ferment constructive initiatives in mission over the next
few years. I hope they stimulate many others who have not been here to offer their contributions. I
hope many of you will build on this beginning.
We are indebted to our expert facilitators Michael Wood and Brendan McKeague. The prospect of
herding 500 Anglicans for six hours through such an open agenda, most of us would find daunting.
And yet we’ve been facilitated not controlled; enabled not constrained; empowered to move forward,
not held back. Please join me in thanking them.
President: The Most Rev’d Dr Phillip J Aspinall, BSc, Grad Dip RE., BD (Hons), PhD, MBA
Archbishop of Brisbane and Metropolitan of Queensland
Name Appointment
The Ven Mark Carlyon Rector, Parish of Toowoomba, St James’; Archdeacon of the
Downs
The Very Rev’d Dr Peter Catt Dean of St John’s Cathedral
The Rev’d Jilleen Chambers Priest-in-Charge, Parish of Kilcoy
The Rev’d Ian Chevis Honorary Deacon, Parish of Logan
The Rev’d Elizabeth Chol Honorary Assistant Priest, Parish of S Paul’s Ipswich
The Rev’d Danielle Clark Assistant Curate, St John’s Cathedral
The Rev’d Raymond Clifton Mission Chaplain, Spiritual & Pastoral Care Manager
The Rev’d Jennifer Colbrahams Priest-in-Charge, Parish of Gatton – Ma Ma Creek
The Rev’d Bill Colbrahams Associate Priest, Parish of Gatton – Ma M Creek
The Rev’d John Coleman Priest-in-Charge, Parish of Centenary Suburbs
The Rev’d Canon Nicole Colledge Priest-in-Charge, Parish of Clayfield
Honorary Canon, St John’s Cathedral
The Rev’d Julie Craig-Leaves Chaplain, West Moreton Anglican College
The Rev’d Jan Crombie Rector, Parish of Kenmore-Brookfield
LAY MEMBERS
NAME PARISH
PMC ASC
Ms Sally Isles Vanessa Gamack
Ms Belinda Macarthur Robert Nettleton
MEC Commission FDSC
Mr Peter Kline Mr Hiro Kawamata
CSC Mr Patrick Meuleman
Mrs Susan Cooke
Mr David Barrie
Session Two.......................................................................................................................................... 55
2A - How do we best affirm & support sexually and gender diverse people in our churches and around the
world?. ..................................................................................................................................................................... 56
2B - What opportunities are there for our children to hear about God? .................................................................. 58
2C - What will a church who has reformed its culture and tradition look like & how will we get there? .................. 59
2D - Are young adults difficult to engage in faith? ................................................................................................... 60
2E - How could we think creatively about chaplaincy in the Diocese?.................................................................... 62
2F - Thy kingdom come … calling power to account .............................................................................................. 65
2G - What does a Christian community look like for a struggling parish to give hope for our survival? ................. 67
2H - What can PMC do to support Parish Health? (being intentional about it) ....................................................... 69
2J - How can we facilitate children’s faith formation & participation? ..................................................................... 71
2K - To ‘be’ rather than to ‘do’ ................................................................................................................................. 72
2L - Ideas to grow the church (A) ............................................................................................................................ 75
2L - Ideas to grow the church (Breakaway group) (B) ............................................................................................ 77
2M - Sudanese immigrants to Australia have so many challenges. What can the church do best to support
their congregations? ................................................................................................................................................ 78
2N - Incentivise priests to regional areas? .............................................................................................................. 79
2Q - Authority of Bible.............................................................................................................................................. 80
2R - How can the church promote freedom of religion and freedom of expression whilst modelling Christ-like
inclusiveness and tolerance? .................................................................................................................................. 82
2U - What is Anglicare Southern Queensland’s part in God’s Mission? ................................................................. 83
Session One
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Is the parish model the only option for the church as “faith/ Christian Community”? How else
could we be church?
• Running a “small business” not attractive.
• Place of chaplaincy
• Need presence in community - need different model/ structure, different ways of
communicating and “us going to them”, eg aged care
• Not in opposition to parish model
• Tension of cultural difference in Christian communities, -> open up to a different leadership
model to be able to bring people together with right foundation as a starting point.
• Need to reach out (go out) SHIFT model of being in community
• Do we need to be maintaining so many buildings… burden
• Early church model – small groups meet in homes
• What if -> hub space -> for admin etc, communities meet away from centrality
• Should we pay clergy? Worker priest model
• The closing model is risky – need to change financial model as well. Who pays the clergy?
Central model.
• Q -> are there parishes doing technological communication? And we don’t have the
resources.
• Virtual communities – not utilising
PARTICIPANTS:
Colleen McArthur
Barb Briggs
Claire Dean
Fr Stephen Briggs
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS:
Five
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Discussion – clear
• Professional Standards
• “Being Together”
• Fear of using term bullying
• Bullying policy for staff not for parishioners
• Need for behaviors to be defined
• Bishops seen as ineffective – need training
• Clearly defined process
• Benefit from describing behavior and alerted the individual
• Need for process
• Call for clear definition/description
• What responsibility does the priest have to manage unacceptable behavior to ensure safety
for vulnerable
PARTICIPANTS
Katie Hart, Alan McHardy, Hope Nakagawa, Hiro Kawamata, Sue Waddell, Mary Couche, Ian
Nelson, Julies James, Paul Mitchell, Nadine Dwyer, John Butterworth, (over 40 participants in total)
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS:
Rev’d Louise Orpe, Rev’d Jocelyn Cameron, Irene May, Glenys Willocks, Rev’d Terry Frewin, Rt
Rev’d Jonathan Holland, Graham Briggs.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
‘Rural Hub’ suggestion – sharing resources eg. Youth, human resources as well as networking.
Ministry – join youth groups
Rural Hub suggestion – some formation students to come to assist in pointers for things like youth
groups – support and gain experience.
Liaise with St Francis College Formation students to support youth events in parishes, especially
rural communities.
Could work in reverse ie. Parish kids to attend city events – maybe a youth program revolving
around St Francis College.
Change can be a joy (like a new birth) but change in the way a parish is run can/may not be
accepted by existing parishioners. Sharing resources between denominations in a locality should
be encouraged.
Being able to integrate church attendees regularly who attend separate services is difficult. Being
able to integrate churches within the parish is also difficult. Breaking down those barriers would
instantly support the rural clergy.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• The initiator outlined some basic precepts of postmodernist ways of thinking to set the
scene.
• We have no access to reality, only to perception of it; there are only individual perceptions,
and no one of them can be established as the “correct” one; the notion of any metanarrative
is considered not to be feasible.
• In comparison, Christian doctrine forms a major metanarrative, is a shared perception held
by the church, and claims there is access to absolute truth.
• The question for this session was about whether the church can speak in meaningful terms
to those who think in postmodern ways; can Christian doctrine be intelligible in that thought
world:
• About 35 people attended this session, with a core of around 20 who participated
throughout. Many views and considerations were shared, with people contributing g
reservations and uncertainties as well as experiences and preferences. Below are points
illustrating this diversity:
o Doctrine is challenged within the Church as well as by societal forces.
o In the latter, it may be on philosophical/epistemological grounds, within the church it can
be by dispute about sources of authority.
o Some doctrines are experienced as behaviors by both church members and wider
society, especially if still cast in ancient terminology.
o One participant suggested finding shared experiences (e.g. discernment of the sacred)
as a good basis for dialogue.
o We may also discover shared perceptions in some areas; and particular doctrines may
make a match with perceptions.
o Another pointed out that we use hermeneutics in many areas of knowledge and belief in
our lives, contextualizing what we receive, so this aspect of postmodernism is not new.
o A contribution was made drawing out the need to be careful in our assertions in that we
are dealing with two very influential factors - the question of the nature of truth, and the
fact that, in our finitude, we can only approximate our expression of the infinite.
o One way forward is to connect with others through asking big questions – questions
about those aspects of life which concern all humans.
o Some participants wanted emphasis to be put on other ways of helping new people
come to Christian faith, but since the topic of the session was specifically to do with ways
of thinking and doctrine, we did not linger on these points.
PARTICIPANTS:
Kate Swansson, Tony Swansson, Mark Carlyon, Graham Young, Irene May
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Yes and no
• Ritual vs social justice — society — Cathedral does it well
• Jesus based (NT) vs fundamentalism (OT)
• Old Testament foundational to modern faith vs only New Testament — Jesus’ ministry
• Language, ritual and doctrine not helpful to non-churched people
• OT cultural — God sent violent events; NT Jesus — God is love
• Modernist version of how the world works so not interested in church
• Church more value in postmodern world — Jesus teaching so amazing — it’s transforming
• Gospels written for different people and answering different questions
• Power of the Eucharist — life giving
• How can we build a church that takes seriously what has happened over the last 2000 years
and find a space for everyone in today’s society?
• Church can be anywhere — on the golf course, op shop, Indigenous community — not
necessarily the buildings — it’s the community you’re in
• Acceptance and tolerance — reconciliation forgiveness is what builds a church
• Sound leadership needed — action is important — showing love, compassion etc
• Structuralism — postmodern — the meaning of words come out of the context of the time
and place
• Relativity — your truth and my truth are different. If there’s not a single truth then nothing can
be wrong! Post modernism.
o Modernism — we believe there are absolute truths ie Jesus is the Son of God
• Doctrinal statement — Principal and application
o All life is important vs abortion
• Secular vs Christian (religious) views — conflict
• History of church not compatible with postmodern society
PARTICIPANTS:
Participants Cheryl Selvage, Rhonda Nelson, Leigh Gauld, Ann Solari, Michelle Philp, Cathy Grant,
Ann Shepperson and many others.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS:
Charlie Lacey, Ron Paschke, Adam Lowe, Amy Norman, Mark Fairhurst, Gary Smith, John
Roundhill
(approx. 25 present)
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Making space for a sense of integration of the different arms of the Church. The ability and will to
work together, share resources break out of silos/parochial thinking.
Focus: format for older people and the content. Want to hear more about current issues of the day
and our churches view of them.
Well managed but not well led: need skills in this area. Work on leadership training.
What is the role of clergy as perceived by DC? DC has not specifically addressed this but there is a
lot of work being done to align the ABP/clergy and parish growth framework/leadership to be more
effective. However do clergy need a clear role description? DC has a key governance role: role for
bishop clergy and lay to listen and work in partnership.
However how does DC manage the large businesses of Anglicare and school and remain focused
or parish ministry.
Does DC have enough time to fully discuss strategic matters? What would increase its governance
“score”? - Perhaps re-arranging the agenda around key focus areas rather than structures eg
commission by commission reports.
Perhaps DC could self-assess the strengths and weaknesses of each meeting to try to improve
performance.
PARTICIPANTS: Raymond - Redcliffe, Alison - Redcliffe, Janice - Kawana, Belinda - PMC, Steve
H - PMC, Anne – Woolloongabba, Merilyn G - Hervey Bay, Terry L - Coorparoo, David - Rochedale,
Ann - Maleny, Margaret T - Burleigh Heads, Wayne - Boonah, Ian, Neville, Greg W – Freshwater.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Summarised by high rise one block from beach historical Sermons Methodist to church for 20 years
(?)
• Facebook
• Young children
• Welcomer
• Little smiles
• Little building
Baptisms – expect kids to meet God in their life rather from simply have ideas about him.
Splitting services is effective
- 1 traditional
- Modern/family oriented
Our Christian Community (Church) should demonstrate the Christian values and message
Needs to be seen as welcoming and supportive of the local community.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS…
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS…
“God is in control” – if in control of creation and universe, how can humans affect it?
Forever –climate heating and cooling and extinctions
Rural properties – 47%of our land cannot be touched. We need to be able to manage it – the
Aboriginals did!
And then the city — flatten everything – build lots of air-conditioned buildings
Interested in overcoming the city-bush divide and dealing with this together
The system is integrated – muck up one bit and the rest if affected – there is human impact
How do we educate people on bush and city realities and impacts?
Some parishes are rural but not ‘country’. Use plastic non recyclables – attitude of it all goes to the
dump anyway.
Qld Murray-Darling Ctte – environmental governance – not actually ‘doing’ things (west of
Toowoomba) – how to impart 10 years of environment, knowledge in a city parish.
Education is more than 1 visit to the country! How match local expertise and lived experience of the
people?
Federal election — focus was coal mining not farming — so not only city/rural/country but also the
more distinctive issues.
Money drives a lot of it eg carbon credits — sell bits of land for carbon credits — paid to leave trees
there.
→ not making any real issues
Whole range of environmental issues — carbon credits, policy, water — all sorts of underlying
issues, drought
→ really hard to keep up/across even the ‘fundamentals’
→ time constraints and resource demands need to be taken account of →very difficult for church
Maps have just been ‘re-satellited’ and the state assigned categories for bush management
Discussion on historical climate events, particularly floods and drought — how share stories so as to
educate/inform/build understanding across city/country
City people get info from TV and internet
See farmers (in past) who got land and then flattened the trees – created poor image
Today — some farmers are fined for clearing weeds in ‘protected green spaces’ — by viewing
satellite pictures
Inspectors apply rules without on ground understanding — if not done contextually (weed vs
valuable) — can be punitive.
PARTICIPANTS:
Mark Young (Annerley), Chrissy Ellis, Jo Inkpin, Kate Ross, Vivien Taylor, Loretta Tyler-Moss, Bill
Redman, Geoff Clarke, Peter Jeffrey, Jazz Dow, Leanne, Rod J Kennedy, Reg Dean, David
Browne, Chris Gourlay, Graham Warren, Imelda O’Loughlin, Margaret Wesley, Danni Clark,
Wynona Newby- Clarke, Petrina Gardiner, Julia van der Boss, Suzanne Grimmett, Deb Bird,
Nicholas Whereat.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS…
Asked if Torres Strait Islanders agree with this? Indicated “yes” as though different culture and
tradition still part of this nation. “Blue Empire” on ABC next Tuesday re Torres Strait island culture.
One of the most remarkable things about the statement is the range of groups from across the
country who agreed and contributed – for the first time since 1967 such coherence.
How do we go forward now with RAP? – Statement from the Heart much more authentic than the
Recognise movement we originally took on.
Education = how so we build momentum of this? Annexation of Torres Straits done under British
rule – Colonization for over 250 years. Church has the power to influence as ambassadors for God.
What is God calling you to do? How build capacity and ministry in wider community. Change lens
and think outside the box – and really listen?
Extinction rebellion v. Adani movement; former established moral authority before action; church
can add our voice to qus of what kind of people we want to be; secure moral authority before action
occurs. Need for new initiative with broad based leadership.
Statement establishes moral authority – do we need eg primates and ecumenical leaders to make a
statement. Christian values of Respect for people and land to be shared by senior leaders.
*Church formal responses – SRC of this diocese has done so; but so far no national response.
NATSIAC did endorse but no strong leadership response.
Need to not underestimate the level of ignorance in the white community – much education needed.
Powerfully spiritual.
Deep hurts from past; need to tell truths and take next steps from there. RAP is ours, all of us
responsible. Can we ask elders in our areas to come in and tell stories of local areas: - a core action
of RAP at local level.
Aboriginal elders wait to be invited. Can be frustrating trying to discover the real story?
ABM study of Statement from the Heart excellent – promote this to our parishes more strongly.
There is plenty of written material by Aboriginal anthropologists available.
Govt has set up bi-partisan committee to set up referendum in the next 3 years. But nothing beats
grass roots. Commend Aboriginal and Torres Straits Islander media people for the accessible and
“friendly” material now being produced.
Still big gaps in communication – why is it so difficult to embrace the peoples of this land and
waters? How much more can we share but TSIS a minority within a minority – I share from my heart
about my people, but how do you receive it in your heart?
What do you think re the Black Card Training programs? – developed to share cultural awareness.
Cross cultural training has been suggested but not much implemented.
Getting parishes and schools, but need more; eg paper on Aboriginal funerals produced but more
needed. Is there more hope with young ones coming thru?
Needs to start with the children – gaps in ministry; how strengthen this in schools; education key; at
our level, we have responsibility to educate ourselves and bring others on that journey. Start with
the elders who are our law keepers; come back to grassroots; get them in to share their stories.
Our job to find our role in healing between the deep hurt and our ignorance – holding hands and
walking together. Have to live with guilt; and face the cultural clash.
Each dealing with the “I didn’t do it” response. Have to be real and how we won’t win 100% of
Australians – but work with those who want.
• Education our key church responsibility especially ahead of a referendum – need to create
environment where we can re-educate older generations; how create forums for truth-telling;
how can we raise up Aboriginal/TSI leaders in our church – add resources.
• Think of OT Israel invasion of land given big tick by God – how do we understand Scriptures
differently; some scriptural theological work to be done.
• What about the story of the land here at Churchie – acknowledgement of traditional owners
here. We are “grafted” onto the land here – Bruce Pascoe re the need to change our
curriculum to reflect a different relationship to land – need to LISTEN = v important part of
our Christian community.
Praise and worship God in our own language very important – continue to share our own stories eg
Coming of the Light. Learn from Aboriginal and TIS peoples eg Jessie Lloyd, “Mission Songs”
important comedian. NZ Maori Voice – reconciliation in NZ led by Anglican priests instrumental in
Church needs to take moral voice and use in Australia and ecumenically.
- Can we incorporate Statement from the Heart at our next General Synod as an outcome
of this discussion
- - NATSIAC to endorse further and have seats at Gen Synod
Language and culture is to be embedded in our liturgy; translation is ongoing;
Our diocese here could be move a motion to take to General Synod.
Problems of there not being one Aboriginal language – so need local languages and more
devolution.
Archbishop was invited 5 years ago to make treaty with Noonuccal people – regional bishops at the
time came with him and “they would not say “no”” – so there is still a possibility as a way of leading
the State into Treaty. We challenge the State as the church to lead the way in what will be a 50yr +
process through the courts.
2019 Intl year of World Indig languages. Aust only have about 190 left used to be 300. 120 at risk
of being extinguished. Use local language. Work with local groups to build dictionaries. Project for
parishes.
Parish my start using local language one word at a time.
Translations been around for some time.
PARTICIPANTS: Jane, Jennifer, Ray, Helen, Rick, Ann, Patrick, David, Maurice
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Food and fibre producers can feel misunderstood by the Diocese whose focus can
sometimes be a “green” position that is often unfactual, e.g. cow emissions (2012-2017) data
long since superseded. Beef industry will actually be carbon neutral by 2030.
• Much work is being done by producers to take on world’s best practice in terms of
environmental management
• World can’t be fed on grain protein alone
• Society and suburban spread is actually taking over the best farming land – (the most
productive per acre) – this is the environmental disaster
• No sympathy from the Diocese over farm invasions. These are home invasions.
• Beef producers are audited for bio-security, cattle movement, etc. by Livestock Producers
Australia. Without this regular audit, livestock can’t be sold.
• Stressed cattle produce really inferior meat, so best interests are served by having “happy”
livestock
• Farmers’ best interests are served by being very effective stewards of the land.
• The mental health benefits of living in rural & remote areas
• Those charged with farm invasions face a maximum fine of $680
• Legislation is before parliament, can request data on best practice schemes; if anyone in the
supply chain can supply it: they can be fined $6, 800 per paddock – this is a social justice
issue, 10 times more than someone committing an act of violence
• Arbitrary nature of “Trigger” Maps
• When people from more urban centres visit, they are surprised at the high level of
environmental awareness of food producers
• Anglican Church needs to perhaps expand the idea of progressiveness. Food producers
need to be progressive to survive.
PARTICIPANTS:
David Lupton, Sylvia Heyworth, Suzanne Lazarevski
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS:
David Lupton, Sylvia Heyworth, Suzanne Lazarevski
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Hollow log homes – refer Google (hollow log home nest box)
Vertebrate hollow log dependent for breeding – welcoming place for people and wildlife – book
plans for making one
Sunny balcony
butterfly splash pond – small and low maintenance
bat box – six different spec – love flower: pseudorehthriem – $25
bluegrass Mitchell grass kangaroo grass inspiration eucalypt, woodland, blackboys Endura vine is
best
Islands of green – serving species – we all should plant native species of plants – grow local
plants, local grasses in church grounds
wildflowers – plant in the local area
local
no expensive maintenance
native grasses
Suburban fringe – plan for wildlife – Google “church forests Ethiopia” – little arks in Ethiopian church
grounds
Connect with the community land care – know what species are sheltering the pest plants – botanist
– get our botanists to audit our churchyard
Kangaroo grass
grassland
native bears
White
Prioritise nature
Echidnas, possum
Beehives
Season of creation
St Francis Day
PARTICIPANTS:
Isabel Rohde, Chris Rohde, Michael McDonnell, Robert Paget, Richard Johnson
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
** What steps in the diocese take to support parishes welcome and encourage neurodiverse
people? **
How do we help the God experience? Lack of room for people, particularly young people with
autism and brain affected conditions: Church life, what is role of parish council? How can faith be
accessible to such people?
How do we ensure people are valued and cared for? Messy church: possibly part answer with: how
do we support you?
The diocese supports parishes to enable each parish to be Neurodiverse in its own needs for its
parishioners? In other words we need help recognising and accommodating Neurodiversity,
well/can you assist us with resources?
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
The way we are doing things isn't working and we need to change:
Dalby LB traditional, 10 AM family (children do the readings, sermon for kids) pages 5-12-ish.
parish were all: send out regular invitations
Cathedral service is not for everyone so we need to cater for everyone but doing both can create
‘them and us’
Messy Church: is it treated as beginners church or is it church within itself. Sherwood is very
successful and are (Glenn and Sue Taylor) came to help set it up.
Give Sunday school a funeral if it's not working, because it's a natural cycle. UK, US, et cetera
intergenerational church throughout the week
We seem to be not so good at the family aspect, anything that focuses on young families and
nurturing them is best. We've got to get contact details to connect young families with each other.
There is a culture that needs to be created rather than empty structures. Any culture of competition
sniffed at.
In Fiji more spaces were open to young people, open invitations were extended to the school
hierarchy by providing spaces for children to attend and explore at well. Promotion and support of
We approach this like a frog waiting for a flyer to land in their mouth: pre-discos being run are
exhausting, then provide an opportunity to plug the school holiday programs and where children's
program T-shirts (St John's Wishart)
We do this to serve others to promote ourselves. (Just where a cross and serve, when a
relationship is formed we can talk about Christ)
Young people need other male role models. It is powerful for an older person to develop a
friendship with a younger person.
Messy church: to then be held in the park next door to the school
Stop saying ‘we have an agenda’ and go help out at someone else's stall because we need to
play the long game. It took 10 holiday programs to move from 10 to 74 kids. Parish ministry is the
test match.
PARTICIPANTS: John Coleman, Teresa Lloyd, Daniel Aspinall, Robert Sweeney, Ewan Beach,
Max Lambourne
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Can collective small, renewable energy producers (parishes) become a large scale renewable
energy producer?
To get to yes
• Cost benefit Is a group buying scheme
• Use purchasing power
• Marks of mission
• How about cars and other sources of carbon dioxide?
• Collective approach
• All technology available
Action
1. Follow up with Peter Catt
Phases
1. Buy only green energy
2. Group buying scheme for solar panels and technical advice
3. Sell idea to Diocese; feasibility report
4. Gain (?) General Manager’s attention
5. Data: aggregate consumption (projection?)
aggregate north roof space
PARTICIPANTS:
50 people
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
LGBTQ+
- People feeling excluded in the wider church even though welcomed at a local level.
Ref. Lizzy Lowe.
- ‘Open Doors’
o programme for 12-25 year-olds used at New Farm
o raises funds as well as support for younger people.
- importance of safe spaces and true welcome.
- need to recognize that the church has been complicit in affirming violence/negativity/damage
and passing it on and will be held accountable.
- Need to learn where the church goes from here to move forward.
- Need to offer Same Sex Marriage if we are to be truly welcoming and open.
- Church should respond to Israel Foulau issue.
- Advice needed on how to bring older congregations to a different way of thinking; more
accepting.
- Let God be the judge.
- Being neutral does not work; need to be actively welcoming.
- Frustration at how long it is taking.
- Need to hear stories and educate ourselves to be able to walk authentically with LGBTQ+
community.
- St John’s Cathedral are leading the way and want to learn how that is happening.
- Inclusive language and liturgy needed; need to explore what it means to be human.
- Suicide is a very real impact.
- Let’s not limit God by translation.
- People are literally taking their lives because of the lies and anger and the church needs to
enable people to be honest about sexuality and gender diversity.
- Not welcomed but affirmed and celebrated. The church longs for transformation but is turning
its back on those who push for change. Change always came from the margins.
- Diversity not uniformity.
- Not broken or damaged.
- ‘Vetting’ people by the priest according to LGBTQ+ status is still happening in the Brisbane
diocese.
PARTICIPANTS:
Coral Mc Veen, D South, York McFadzean, Gail Fulton, Mark Robinson, Jocelyn Cameron
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Lady who saw opportunities for RI in schools, she had a swim club which built to 150 children. (This
showed how many children in community). Utilized other with skills to reach out.
High and primary school Principal who demonstrate needs for chaplaincy and how it impacted
young peoples.
Open spaces at University opportunity -- said if you have a space and say you will be there people
will come.
– Breakfast in schools
PARTICIPANTS:
Sixteen participants
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Traditional Parish model was village model but need to change to missional model.
So social programs lead to more bums on seats or form (?) more Christians?
PARTICIPANTS: 20+
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Need to build trust (especially if they have been hurt – e.g. child abuse in the church)
• Young people attract more young people
• Young people are asking good, core questions → how does the church engage with these
questions?
• Advertise what church offers to young people
• Being able to talk to other young people (not just the parish priest giving a sermon) about the
big questions of life → is crucial to engage and keep engaged
• No discipleship by parishes to kids in Anglican schools
• People who work with young adults → find talking one on one, coming alongside them
during their lives → keep sermon minimal
• They need to know someone cares and will listen
• They need to connect with other young adults in the church
• Need to respect people’s need for anonymity (not asked to contribute until they are ready)
• How do you start from “nothing”? – how do you facilitate what young adults are looking for?
• Need a “space” for young adults to feel welcome → need one on one relationship with
parishioners (of any age) that they can ask questions of
• Identifying a need that young person has → how to meet that need → might mean moving to
a different church / denomination
• Make the time and make a priority to engage with the demographic you want to attract
• “Young people” are the present church NOT the future church
• Culture of “welcome” through entire congregation → young mums in toddlers’ group → bring
families
• Need to change → culture
PARTICIPANTS:
Loretta Tyler-Moss, Lilian Grey, Barbara Briggs, Stephen Briggs, Sue Dunne, Duncan Unwin, Paul
Sime, David Murray.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Note: chaplains = the terms chaplain and pastoral carer are being used interchangeably here.
People trained to deliver pastoral care and chaplaincy care to people
• Chaplaincy as “visiting sick people” is a way to change parish where chaplains are trained
up in the parish and reaching into the community as parish representative.
• Chaplaincy offers first glimpse to community member of God going to them where they are.
• Chaplaincy = outreach into community.
• Chaplaincy is the mechanism into outreach.
● Better question is: “How do we enable more creative chaplaincy in the Diocese”.
Seekers days information emails didn’t go to Hospital/police/Defence/school chaplains yet
they meet and know people to put forward.
Chaplains feel excluded by reference to “your parish ministry” which reinforces the idea that
only parish ministry counts whereas:.
o Defence)
o Hospital)
o School) is “the Parish”
o Prison)
o Mission to seafarers)
● possible financial solution to funding chaplaincy and other ministries would be Hubs of
parishes, hubs of pastoral carers paid by the parish
● Chaplaincy is a vital part of what we do as a church – it is Jesus model
● Way of unifying all chaplains through a central body especially to allow them to mutually
support each other including at an annual chaplaincy conference
Police chaplains – paid) an example of an industry valuing chaplaincy and not only inviting
chaplains into their workplace but paying to make it happen
Church didn’t do DV and divorce well historically and sex abuse but now church addressing these
and therefore place for chaplains/pastoral carers to meet these people and work through healing
with them.
Organisations recognise value of chaplains and are heading to funding it and therefore we are close
to losing access to it. We have the chance to be the managers of this space or to lose access to this
space to paid employees not necessarily linked to churches.
To make chaplaincy seen as important needs to recognise its role as the link between community
and parish church. Story telling of our encounters with chaplains and the role of chaplain in our
entrée to church.
PARTICIPANTS:
Robert Standish-White, Geoff Newton, Chris Bovey, Bronwyn Pagram, Julian Glassock, Jackie
Fewtrell, Margaret Harrington
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Concerns with centralisation of power, lack of accountability. Some slippery slopes to criticism –
who to love as ourselves? Are Christians more important than sojourners? Who construes and
accepts power? The invisible power holders…
Justice – what does church believe? Is this different from (maybe Conservative) parishioners? I'm
confused; they need to stand up and say this.
Expand the demographic? Point out when lies are being told? Are we following leading trends?
Refugee response as a model? Grouping stronger than alone? (Australian religious response to
climate change also)
What are we to do? Look at whole narrative. Do no (minimal) harm to others and environment. We
could all run with that.
Look after “more “or ”individuals” ? hard position for the Archbishop
Other options? Power in force crises, fear of schism – possibly some “let it happen” …But rather
work on goodwill and understanding
Why do some questions keep coming up and Synod? Either feel not being heard or don't like the
answers. How to come to compromise
Need some strategic alliances, e.g. on climate change consult indigenous people
Should church asked questions relative to other questions? Explain your position
Very few inalienable rights. This is freedom of religion! Or stand up for people to speak their views?
E.g. problem with defamation. We have signed but not ratified The International Covenant on Civil
and Political Rights (ICCPR).
PARTICIPANTS:
From struggling regional and suburban parishes
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
- PMC Report - How can PMC support parish health and growth?
- I believe God is calling us to be "intentional" in working towards being a healthy revitalised church -
vision - setting mission goals and focus? (combined topics)
PARTICIPANTS: 30 people
Discussion Highlights:
• Goal setting – keep goals small, focused (one or two), and manageable.
• Do parishes know what PMC does and what services are offered, i.e.:
o Brochure/flyer publication
o Website launch: faithful+effective.com.au for resources, events and loads of useful
stuff (under Healthy Churches tab, look for mission planning resources – Kelly
Houston is Parish Liaison Officer or Belinda Macarthur (PMC)
• How can Diocese help Parishes to see what they look like from outside? What’s missing etc:
o Check the website resources, includes other parishes doing things we can tap into;
• What we do will be different in different places, some things won’t fit everyone. We each look
through our own lens;
• Is Parish Council focused on Mission & Growth or on general business of parish life;
• How can we be proactive under the Holy Spirit’s guidance to motor forward;
• Part of Mission planning is knowing what to drop (yes, drop!) to start new ministries;
• Resource Churches – PMC has 2 people for 140 parishes. A number of larger/healthy
parishes to encourage/resource parishes around them. Big churches are not the only model
but this is one way to support grassroots, hands on, ministries;
• The specialists will work IN parishes, NOT in Diocesan HQ;
• Maybe even ½ time in parish, ½ time as resource person (this would allow wider spread, but
full-time person also person funded by PMC for 2 years – priming the pump, after which it
will be reviewed to see effectiveness;
• 5 areas of Parish growth/health to be built up:
o Vision/mission/strategy
o YCF
o Faith formation/discipleship
o Lay leadership
o Community engagement/evangelism
• PMC role to direct parishes to where they can find help OR is it rich get richer / poor get
poorer?
• BUT how do parishes self-identify as needing help and when identified, what can PMC
actually DO?
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS:
Jenni – Bundaberg West
Allan Gallimore
Susan – Green Hills
Jeni Nix – Milton
Jenny
Lee Gould
Heather Dearden
Charmain Dyer
Maurice
Helen Marsden
+ 16 others
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
•
• Is being different to doing? Easy to get caught up with doing. As Christians do we spend
enough time being as Christians? False dichotomy?
• Contemplative strain important part within worship at Milton
• Lot of time maintaining buildings – ‘doing’ – not what here for. What is our mission? a lot of
our mission statements less about doing, more about being Christians being part of
communities with distinct Christian flavor.
• Anglicans as Introverts. Hard to share who we are and what we do.
• Extroverted Christians and ‘Bible-bashing’ vs quiet evangelism through modeling behavior.
- building bridges with people
- cannot force people to God
- acceptance that not perfect
• Doing comes from being in communion with God, but often we do first. Sense of order
• Find out what God is doing and then join in
- requires contemplation, silence, prayer
- can be hard to do silence. Doing is easier than being. ‘Doing the being’ is harder.
• Life experience: worn out by doing. Then cancer. Drawn to Franciscans. Now live life
through ‘being’. Service drown out from that.
• Power of asking people to pray for you. Being and doing together.
• Challenges of parish needs – roles to be filled – burnout – promotion of doing
PARTICIPANTS:
Tony Levick (Coorparoo)
Joanne Rose (Carindale)
Kay Rhodes
Gail Abbott (Carindale)
Leah
Helen Irwin (Springfield)
Kim Vellnagel (Goodna)
Barry Miller (Crow’s Nest)
Penny Leimester
Diane Payton (Alexandra Hills)
Narelle Blunt
High Luckhurst-Smith (Hendra/Clayfield)
Lewis von Stieglitz (Warwick)
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS: 25 people
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Ideas
Book reading
Mainly Music
Chill church – 10:30
Newer music including hymns
Interactive
Dramatic Bible readings
Tea/coffee on the Terrace
NCD
Are we ambassadors for our church?
Are we praying for our connections?
Is God relevant in my life?
People will talk about Jesus but Church sucks
We need to be passionate
Talking about faith leads to church
Tagged bottles of water to give away at events
Train/equip our priests to be evangelists
Faithfulandeffective.com
PARTICIPANTS:
Rev. David Deng- St. Lawrence’s Caboolture, James Adol- St. James’ Toowoomba Patrick S.
Wallas – Head Master: All Saints Anglican School, Suzanne Lazarevski – Laidley Anglican Church.
Rev’d Louise Orpe- Rosewood Parish.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
1. Most Australians do not know the Sudanese life experiences and that needs some sort of
awareness to be created. That can help to strengthen our relationship as one people in Christ.
2. All Sudanese have experienced war trauma and most of them are experienced Post traumatic
stress disorder and those people needs to be helped
3. Sudanese congregations need churches they can call their spaces, not shared churches where
they are sometimes constraint by times to carried out activities they care about.
4. Children are on the streets, parents have no control over them and the law enforcement is not
able to tame. We call upon the church to help us come up with some strategies to solve that
problem.
5. The church needs to identify young people who can be trained as future Sudanese
congregation’s leaders as well as the universal church.
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Advertising interstate.
PARTICIPANTS:
Richard Johnston, Angela Sled, Paul Mitchell, Richard Martin, Sue Buchanan, Frances Andrew,
Anne Braithwaite, Denis Freeman Grant Sparks, Martin Hawkins Ruth Sparks, Pam Mathews,
Chris Rhode, Jonathan Holland, Daniel Sitaram, Olaf Anderson
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• What do we pray
• Word of God = text Hebrew Aramatic then translation original text not change Need to be
faithful to original
• No original bible – early translations – no original document – how are understand the Bible
• Discussion about early translations
• Can we say the Bible is the truth?
• Lord’s Prayer – the changes interpreted by love – should it happen
• Gift of authority – scriptures as framework
• What churches teaches – looking back and prophetic for Bible
• Does the Bible contain all truth – HS guides up or can it move.
• Interpretation = ie local congregation – church some mistakes
• Some things matter more than others
• We all come with filters = what do we place our work of God
• People come from different interpretation
• Errors can be corrected
• Can be confident of Greek text
• KJ Bible – not access to older text
• Slavery was an accepted practice but changed
• Why different for homosexuality
• Control theme of Bible:-
• Bible’s transformative effect on us. Faith in our heart – change us. Transformation process
• Anglicans make decision – look at what is needed
• Reasonable common sense
• Bible – humanity struggle will last until blessing is given by Jesus and God
• Remain faithful to God until end. Job
• Belief – Christ died for me – come a Christian – control theme.
How can the church promote freedom of religion and freedom of expression whilst modelling Christ-
like inclusiveness and tolerance? Freedom of religious expression. Calling sinners to repent.
Speaking God's word to His world.
PARTICIPANTS:
Dave Allen, Vaishi Raja, Kay Pitman, Warren Young, Darren Nicolls, Dorothy Prasser, Kay
Lauchland, Judy Bennett, Ewan Beach, , David Aspinall, Bill Colbrahams plus others present.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Controversies
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS ….
The conversation was opened with the sharing of information about Anglicare and some of the
changes, challenges and highlights from 2018. These are summarised below:
• The Community Services Commission (CSC): Dr Kim Forrester is now the Chair of CSC
after the resignation of Mrs Cathy Grant who had three very successful years as the Chair.
Cathy’s significant contribution was acknowledged. The resignation Mr Rob Freeman, Mr
Alex McNab and Mrs Kate Hillman were also acknowledged. We welcomed Mrs Kim Rayner
and Professor Karen Healy as new members of CSC.
• The Royal Commissions into Aged Care and Disability were discussed and the requirement
to have strong governance for vulnerable people was re iterated.
• Further information was shared about our building program, children and family services.
The changes we are making in our disability service offering, including reducing services in
the south east corner of QLD and our ongoing commitment to specialised services and
continuing services in geographic areas where there are limited providers such as Roma and
Kilcoy were discussed.
Homelessness in Queensland: This area developed into deeper conversation as many participant
are experiencing an increased visibility of people sleeping rough around churches and in their
communities. The discussion included a deeper understanding of the lack of funding and the
different areas of support that are available. A proposal about increasing the support for Youth to
prevent them from becoming entrenched in homelessness was discussed. The group were highly
engaged in this discussion.
Anglicare Ambassador Program: This program was discussed and several participants identified
as current Anglicare Ambassadors in their parish. Ideas were explored to further develop this
program and to look for more opportunities for Anglicare and Parishes to work together to meet
needs of people within the local community.
PARTICIPANTS:
Margaret Thornton
Julie James
Jennifer Crocker
Rosemary Hogan
Jeremy Freyburg
David Hampson
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Recognised that Anglican lay people need to be going out in the community able and willing to
share their faith in unthreatening ways. In order to do this we need to be more skilled and practiced
in conversing with people; in looking for openings in their conversations where questions could be
asked that would lead the other into a readiness to talk about Christian faith however strange it may
be to them.
Ideas for getting out there – perhaps in twos or threes and mixing with people.
Parish Visiting
Informal meet ups in coffee shops, clubs, youth centres, malls, etc.
Café church
Run disco’s for youth in their locations
Do a survey asking questions such as:
What do you expect of the church in today’s society?
What do you think the church stands for?
What do you think of Jesus Christ and is He relevant today?
People are not attending church as they once did; what are we doing wrong?
Need to get permission of proprietors of venues such as clubs or pubs if a survey is to be done, and
the lay people going out there need training in how to promote non-threatening conversation that
could lead anywhere. Ask them open questions, learn what they think and then they may be more
willing to hear what you think. If someone asks a direct question, such as what Christian faith is, or
what the church is really for, the lay people need to be ready and able to respond with their own
We need to cross cultural bridges and used language that others will understand, no jargon.
We need to be ready to converse whenever and wherever opportunity presents itself. Recognising
the openings and enabling people to open up about what they really think and believe is half the
battle in allowing conversation to flow towards what Christian faith and belief is about.
PARTICIPANTS:
Peter Catt
Deborah Bird
Graham Warren
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Req to delve and support but explore genuine engagement and community. Iconic presence is an
opportunity to explore relationship beyond our people: “Cathedral on wheels”
As a Cathedral of whole diocese how does the hospitality of the cathedral connect to evangelical
parishes and assist each in finding a place in unity?
A range of preachers and programs such as debates the preacher/mystics and god-botherers
emerge from those with a passion to speak and expressions the desires of Cathedral community.
Who are the mystics/god-botherers out of the breath of our tradition that would further extend range
of source and be an invitation to evangelical tradition?
30,000 people a year come in as tourists. Who do you allow a tourist to become Pilgrim? Labyrinth
and engagement to all. Can St John's be part of a Pilgrim Trail as part of aboriginal pilgrim trail from
Indooroopilly and/or partnership with city churches. Also opportunity for parishes to do a Sunday
afternoon pilgrimage to Cathedral, stay on for Evensong with parish priest preaching
Cathedral as a (unknown word). Function of Cathedral as place of gathering, authority and life
beyond its physicality. Place ritual, actual life, truth telling, rites of passage, a place this access to
authority, place of launching new pathways – affirmation of new ideas, sharing how to do ideas,
symbol of participation to be such a presence means the one speaks not speak is to make a
statement. the responsibility to discover there are still unspoken sense of exclusion by you
indigenous Australians. Who is missing still from an already diverse community?
Cathedral has a responsibility to orchestrate the telling of “our story”—who are we in this place?
Which is well reflected also in social media: an image and a thought from the Cathedral space
How does Cathedral respond to AB’s charge to generous hospitality? Who feel they cannot come
still?
Response to Rainbow Flag was to signal a message of welcome and acceptance that others heard.
How do the doors stay open to create a safe space that is hospitable? There is also a need to
Acknowledgment of country another important action that builds recognition and relationship
gradually introduced across dimensions such as liturgy, public events, in physical space becomes
less contentious over time and part of culture of the place and community.
Demographic of surrounding community under 35’s more difficult to reach but higher engagement in
justice conversations.
Impact on finance with lower / fluctuating incomes / not carrying cash.
Meditation as a safe entry point to church showing most growth. How do we invite people in to use
our churches as quiet space in our neighborhoods? Open churches are less likely to be vandalized
because it becomes known that people come and go.
PARTICIPANTS:
David Browne, Ian Russell, Judith John, Michelle Philp, Brenda Davis, Bruce
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Readings; Jesus the single man compared to church ideal of married couple and family – yet we
worship a single saviour.
(Pauls attitudes to singles/couples singleness as eschatological state)
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Length of time from getting quotes to being able to get the job done.
Prices can be revised by the time we get the go-ahead.
SUGGESTION:
Parish looking at doing “X”
Diocese send up someone to look at the project and ask for approval.
Is there a way to streamline?
Taking at least 6 months for approval and contractors not always available often this time.
Need 1 person in diocese in charge of each project who can follow through for faster progress.
RECOMMENDATION:
We are a business, can these projects be approved by a lower level in the Diocese
PLAN AHEAD
Do
1. Plans
2. Council approvals – Building Certifier
3. To Archdeacon for approval
4. Build
How do we maintain the purity and integrity of Catholic beliefs and traditions in Anglicanism, in a
post-truth world?
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
- Parish had space land and envisioned the use of it as a hospice modelled on core activity.
….. Hospices of around 6 – 8 beds.
- $2m to buy and $2m to operate
- Funding 50/50 60/40 Private/Gov.
- Cost 50 % of hospital bed for the dying
- S Gone 50-60 % now up to 80 %
- Co-locate with hospitals
- Have Anglicare running the hospice
- Hospices tend to engage – Mission and Evangelism
- People must open to the religious @ end of life.
- Support one hospice between a number of parishes.
- What about multi-parish model in rural & regional areas?
- Would it be denominational? No
- Multi-use respite as well as hospice
- Aged care facilities only theoretically have ability to do palliative care.
- Hospice more staff/nurses aged care & higher quals no ways more expensive than AC.
- Preference to die in own home. Those who do not often poorer on issues with isolation.
- Time taken in dying now less because of change in focus of palliative care
- Opportunity of Hospice is high. Geographically fixed and most likely to the … away from
demand!
- Palliative care offered via cruise ship
- Could the Anglican Church establish a cruise ship palliative care service?
- Hummingbird House only 2nd in Australia and could do more of them.
- If opposed to VE then responsibility to have an alternative.
- Could school boarding houses be used during holidays?
- Use schools and volunteer students for respite care.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Explaining Cursillo
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• In Parishes where there are long established relationships, it is often hard to “break-in” and
feel welcome.
• We need to actually invite people – the invitation needs to be personal.
• Anglican Schools Commission wants to make schoolchildren feel welcome at the Anglican
Table.
• We need to be inclusive; we need to be articulate that we are inclusive.
• “Invitation” and “Acceptance” are very important, and then we need to be consistent in
following up with our actions.
• Acceptance of a variety of family types now that there are so many different family types.
• Ensuring that children have a sense of belonging.
• Formal training of “welcomers” so that they have the tools to ensure people feel welcome.
• It only takes one person to destroy the good work of the “welcomers”. We need to be
mindful.
• Make sure that if children are “noisy” that the parents are assured it is ok.
• Recognise that we all have our gifts and sometimes talking to others is not one of our gifts,
do not pigeonhole people into roles they are not suited too.
• Are we known as a “welcoming faith”
• In the light of the Israel Folau comments, Christians have been portrayed in a particular light
and we have not necessarily been good at refuting.
• A story was shared about an OpShop where everyone is welcomed with a cup of tea or
coffee and a biscuit and a chat – OpShop runs 2 days per week and pays ½ of the Priest’s
salary. It was agreed that this was mainly a result of being welcoming.
• Morning teas where people are welcomed for a chat.
• Church running programmes where other views are discussed openly e.g. atheism, other
religions.
• We should take a wider view where different Parishes offer different expressions of
Anglicanism allows a broader platform for people to choose from.
• Priests encouraging people to take the sacraments is very important.
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Many parishes are not generating enough money to fund the clergy and contribute to the
diocese
• Not enough giving in the congregation - we need to look more broadly and raise funds in the
community
• Competing charities - why would anyone want to give it to the church (particularly in the context
of child abuse)
• The message of Christ hasn’t been more pertinent than now
• [Discussion on asset sales]
• Selling off properties is not desirable unless they’re not being used or have no alternative use
• Funds generated from the sale of assets or enterprise (e.g. aged care, school) could be used to
set up a central funds from which various things/ministries can be funded e.g. rural ministry.
• We need to be mindful of the impact of closures/amalgamation of churches
• Financial solutions cannot be used to release us from solving the real problem
• Discussed the importance of having the capacity to manage parish finances well. Bookkeeper v
treasurer roles
• Parishes should be prepared for the long term in property management. Establish a sinking fund
• Sharing resources between churches
• “Resources” can mean many things
- Training
- Money
- Property
- People
- Lay leadership
• The laity is more “permanent” than the clergy so it needs to play an important role
• Some parishes are growing
PARTICIPANTS: Jack Wright, Jennie Wright, Ingrid Busk, Deb Bird, Debbie Kemish, Gillian
Moses, Carmen Kliendienst, Richard Mason, Peter Catt, Chris Gourlay, Gail Symons, Julie Lewis,
Beverley Jane, Coral McVeau, Heather Deardon, Kim Vellnagel + lots more.
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Clergy need to be visible – wear your collar when out in the public space! Especially in shopping
centres – many really positive conversations.
One person looked into the word ‘homosexual’ in the Bible – only used in translation from
~1940s(?). Yet people are being told that they will ‘go to hell’. So this person is exploring what the
Bible and the Church really say.
Frustration that public pronouncements from some parts of the church and that does not align with
my understanding and beliefs. So not aligned to the overall message of the Bible.
Hospital chaplains exposed to mental health patients – non-judgmental towards them – how does
God lead in?
Church has responsibility to engage in important issues – feel unequal playing field – despair
sometimes at size of task.
Introverted priest – better one-on-one – how to get message out by talking to individuals/ mothers
groups/RSL – build relationships first.
New priest arrived – “church without walls” e.g. local café, private house – people come and talk,
eat together.
Very involved in the church, also in Zonta, which is not allowed to show religious affiliation, yet in
Zonta as a way to live out Christian faith. Can say ‘grace’ before a meal, but not ‘Christian’ – but still
living out faith (and being).
Gospel message of love and liberation – often not heard as louder voices of exclusion and othering
prevail. How ‘be’ and take that into what I do in the public square and thus.
How is the church relevant in the public space – do a lot but often unseen – there’s a lot more to us
than Sunday services.
Be before do – but communicate faith most effectively by what we do, eg. By supporting LGBTIQ
kids or attending stop Adani meetings – engage the people in front of us every day. OK – but
negative media means we get challenged…yes but that is a great opportunity to explain the gospel
and how that influences what we do. When people learn I’m a Christian – I need to tell them ‘not the
looney kind’ – the loving kind. OK to hold science and faith. Have confidence to speak.
Not ‘comfortable’ to be in public square, but important to speak to the great hunger for spirituality out
there – incredibly important – and to transfer culture – planet. Know how to celebrate
connectedness, lament, pray, listen, be transformed. Have to justify existence.
Don’t have to stop ‘believing in science’ to be a person of faith. As get profile, can access
opportunities to engage, eg. Speak publically. Don’t ‘argue’ with the other side. Be content to
engage/educate rather than debate. How to do this better?
Appropriation of the Christian faith by ‘the loud’. Do we need better media, communication etc? how
also be and do the Christian and contemplative life? Many are disinterested – until they want, eg. A
funeral or a ‘naming ceremony’ (baptism) etc.
Not everyone is called to be a spokesperson. Do notice that the loud voices are very loud – but not
representative. Need to live deep, authentic, genuine lives for the love of Christ – minister to those
put in front of us.
Perhaps church has a role here – do not have all the answers – who are the loud voices – are they
all Christians or others?
Media overwhelming focus on divisive issues and negative things – positioned as public view.
Interested to explore ‘the public square’ vs the personal sphere of influence. Driving ‘Uber’ was
amazing opportunity to have conversations.
RI – great opportunity to reach not just students but also teachers. People do engage – ask for
Bibles etc.
Community – high fences, closed doors – hard to engage neighbours. Door-knocking seen as
intrusive on personal space and on precious personal time (given such busy lives).
How to offer service to the community to engage in the big issues of life – not to impose ‘beliefs’ but
to make personal connections, eg. Community connections page on Facebook to create personal
relationships, eg. ‘check in’ at local church on a Sunday so people know you are there.
Where kids play on the road – met neighbor – interfaith conversations – but need to allow self to be
vulnerable.
Miscommunication of ideas – many people cannot handle ambiguity – so Israel Folau view seen as
‘the view of the church’ – compromises views of the church and ability to contribute wisdom to the
table.
What does ‘liberal’ Christian mean? Loving the planet, gays, Christians – being by doing – acts of
kindness – ‘why did you do that’ ‘The good Lord led me to you’ – opening.
Local parish example – support a youth LGBTIQ group – socialize, fundraise etc. they know the
church loves rainbow people – even when parts of the church make divisive statements.
Not enough Christian voices in issues of the day, eg. On climate change its almost silent.
Fear of engaging without a view – but why not at least engage, eg. Climate change. By not saying
anything you are complicit in the ‘old position’ or historic. Doing/saying nothing is a political position.
Suffer from professionalization – societal structure parceling out eg. Counselling, compassion
(pastoral care) etc.
Ask “what do you think of St Peters”? – listening to answers and then acting in public space – see
how God uses it.
Community engagement (social, open forums, elder services etc) does not necessarily lead to
worship engagement.
SRC facilitated conversation years ago on coal seam gas – first time community had heard each
other’s’ views.
Identity
Plurality of connection voices – have a say even if not consensus.
PARTICIPANTS:
Arthur Kunde, Glenys Willocks, Sylvia Free, Irene May, Peter McMurtrie, Cheryl Cumming, Laurel
Raymond, Helen Marsden, Lewis von Stieglitz, Maurice Marsden
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
PARTICIPANTS:
Alan Postle, Margaret Wesley, Geoff Clarke, Maria McIvor, Linda Wallis, Richard Johnson, Bill
Colbrahams, Stephen Scott, Rebecca Crocket, Daniel Sitaram, Vivien Taylor, Annette Barnes, R
Standish-White, Chrissy Ellis, Margaret Harrington, Gayle Tuckwood, Helen Button, Jeff Eustace,
Lorraine West, Ian Russell, Louise Orpe
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Anger and hurt and silence at refugee treatment (also environment but economic justice)
• Why is the church not speaking out on justice issues
• Also mental illness
• Jesus calls for disciples to be real disciples!
• Is it because media won’t pick up church opinion?
• There are refugee problems within our own community, minimal support
• But there are significant conservative opinions too, therefore it is not helpful for clergy to be
overtly political
• Media tend to look for “the spokesperson” option before any time for debate or reflection
• WH&S issues with homeless people. Empty unused accommodation
• Losing credibility?
• Historic sexual abuse has taken a lot of the “wind out of our sails” and great loss of
community goodwill
• Was this why we didn’t speak out, re. Nauru?
• More proactive media office?
• St John’s most appreciative of Archbishop’s/Church support on gender. Empowering and
supportive, within Anglican traditions
• Regarding pillars of Anglicanism: allow reason and question. Regional differences can be a
strength
• What about all the other areas? Refugees, indigenous people etc?
• Careful of divisive railroading; work from good governance – yes but deal with internal first to
present a united front
• Don’t be so afraid of being divisive; we are not being heard at all, we need to be heard.
Carefully and pastorally crafted, but put it out and start the conversation
PARTICIPANTS:
Mary Conche, Beryl Nielsen, Marjorie Charrington, Andrew Schmidt, Jan Jones, Earl Marken, Leigh
Buchanan, Martin Hawkins, Steve Wockner, Sarah Gover, Colleen McArthur, Des Hunt, Ruth
Sparks, Katrina Dale, Peter Buttery, Charmaine Dyer, Jeff Balnaves, John Roundhill, Pat Schwatz,
Jo Inkpin, Donna Normoyle, Ann Ellis, Kay Hart, Chris Rohde, Isobel Rohde, P McHardy,
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
1. Difficulties in the Anglican Communion re current beliefs can we remain together with
diverse views. In particular marriage debate. Is there a way back or can we lovingly
separate. All seeking a positive loving outcome. Seeking unity in diversity for some.
2. Brief explanation of NZ separation. Explained the pain that the separation caused.
3. Discussion of what we can give for inclusion. E.g. would not look for priest to have to bless
same sex marriage if not looking for this. This model includes parish view as well.
4. Friendship blessings instead of marriage? Other option no trouble?? Same sex marriage but
not matrimony.
5. Compromise conversation - - - > lose lose -- - > can be win win. Needs to get to place of
understanding
6. Appears church focuses on sex sin rather than other compromise makes a poor umbrella or
a strong roof. Can be unequal power at play? LGBTQI has power. Should integrate. View
LGBTI is that they are enlarging and growing the church
7. Bible teaching discussed - -- > going against how to reconcile?
8. Anglican Church Australia “Most polarised in the world”. Evangelical view cannot bless what
God calls sin. Difference between sodomy and homosexuality.
9. Difference between Church breaking and people leaving “liberty of conscience”
10. Agreed we have listened to each other
11. Compassion important as Jesus had / has
12. Concerned if we abandon scripture we become a social club
PARTICIPANTS:
Gary Harch, Vaishi Raja, Karen Llewellyn, Pradeep Mani Cleam, Pat Hanly, David Hale
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Church marriages continue to decline with 1/3 parishes with no weddings, 1/3 do 1-5
weddings and only 10 parishes 10 or more. 75% weddings in Australia are outside
churches
• Questions about weddings officiated by Anglican clergy outside a church building – it can be
done.
- People may not know that it can be done outside a church building
• Why people choose to marry in a church?
- Connection to parish
- Family request/tradition
- “pretty” building/traditional building/aisle (photographs)
- the local church docent
• Why people don’t choose to marry in church?
- Choose not to marry at all
- Ability to write own vows
- No connection with church/no reason to marry in church
- If live together can’t get married in church
- Need to go through process/indoctrination/course
- Church’s view on marriage (heterosexual) offend. Friends/family “preach” to them
- Couples with multi-faith background
- Clergy refusing to marry divorcees
• Right of clergy to refuse to marry a couple – no reason needed
• Issue of refusal after marriage preparation course if date set/expenses incurred. Alternatively
if (say) won’t agree to marry a couple or even identify date till complete marriage preparation
won’t get people coming
• Clergy have different approaches to “marriage preparation”
• Very few parish clergy do weddings, baptism and funerals (experience for curates in doing
these?)
• Rate of return of people who get married coming back for baptisms
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Clergy have difficulty asking for help, vocation is to help people. How can I help people if I need
help?
• Follow up Flourish help line need face to face visit
• Need to have real life experience to help, confidential help, independent help
• Clergy discussions (across Catholics, Uniting, Presbyterian)
• National Clergy Appreciation Sunday/week
• Respect days off
• Supported in prayer spiritual supervision
• Some not aware of bullying policy
• Increasing physical abuse to clergy in certain areas
• Hard to take weekends away with spouse parish needs vocation
PARTICIPANTS:
28 people
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Network model
- Identify what needs leaders
- Equip and ask others to equip 5 becomes 10 etc
- Has limitations
• Needs clear vision, identify “gaps”, engage and equip, employ, foreseeing future problems
and purposely prepare, train etc 3-5 years
• Open and clear conversation about investment into training, curates, youth and families
minister, music
- There is an expense, resource issue (?)
- Not just financial, it takes a parishes to get one ordained
- Finding each other’s strengths and weaknesses and helping, cultivating support,
• Ordaining 7-8 people a year. Need to be ordaining 10-12
• Not a lot of parishes can afford curates
- Vocational vision in school?
- High school interns
• Growing leadership requires patience but needs to be invested in now
• We need churches willing to subscribe into a journey
- Succession planning
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
4 key questions:
1. How do we better encourage vocations?
2. How do we better engage with the 18-25 age group?
3. How do we better prepare ordinands for parish ministry?
4. How do we better educate theologically the people of god in Southern Queensland?
Observations
In order to encourage people to consider vocation to the ordained ministry, we need a pool of
(young) people.
There are many people who feel a vocational call earlier who were then actively encouraged by the
diocese to get life experience.
- Have people lost the impetus to offer for ordination during the time of “growth”?
- How do we re engage those?
- Now I have life, what do I do with the sense of vocation?
Suggestion: Examining chaplain should be following up these people who were encouraged to wait.
Perhaps we should follow up these individuals over time.
We could learn from talking to people who have made the way back to ordination and ask how did
they maintain their sense of calling, and what helped to keep them in the zone?
Eg; in the past, one person experienced that their bishop interviewing candidates for confirmation,
would identify potentially interested individuals (at the age of 12), and follow up annually, “badger
with intent”.
18-25’s: we always feel there’s a crisis at different age levels. If we target this age group, then, will
we just shift the problem? Is there an approach that is more open to whatever age group?
Currently, there can be a lot of confusion – how do we partner with people on a spiritual
journey…lets explore that together, give meaningful feedback along the way, and become partners.
Tax relief fund is available to support students with a living allowance. We have a tax-deductible
ordination fund. SFC needs to promote that fund. People need to know that its possible to put
money into it so that students can access it.
Consider that we could diversify the model of ministry that people are being ordained into.
Some sense their vocation in the church…we can be proactive in promoting a flexible model of
ministry. We can have a chaplaincy approach…where ever the person is, they minister as a
chaplain.
Chaplaincy
You’re more likely to find a vocation to school ministry in the teaching fraternity, most chaplains
have been teachers.
Some people don’t get ongoing encouragement from a local priest, some identify the calling and the
current process takes them out of their local parish and then enter a formal process.
How do we make the selection of people for ministry a parish process?
Recognise and promote the role of parishes in the encouragement and formation of individuals.
Are we looking for a basic set of attributes? Or watching for emerging people?
The community can acknowledge the gifts in a person. What are we looking for? What can we try to
recognise? Is the basic desire to serve the body of the church, the basic thing we look for… what is
the “end point” type of ministry
Children can be recognised and encouraged from early on, then developed and given the potential
and space to learn. Be the one to listen and learn. Commitment to learn, show teachability.
Maybe we don’t give ourselves a chance to see leadership as something bigger – someone may be
“on roster” and taking on roles/jobs etc…perhaps we can broaden the idea of what is leadership –
recognise their contribution.
We need the opportunity to have a conversation…rather than the self-deprivation that might prevent
someone put themselves forward.
Another experience: Anglican family, grown up in the Anglican church. The calling didn’t start to
happen until the move to this diocese…felt this could be a place where I was comfortable to be
involved. Response to the sense of calling was a self-directed process.
What is important? The more flexible approach to ordination/formation doesn’t always fit well for
those who have had careers, may be still working. While a semi-monastic model of old provided
(and might still provide were it possible) benefits for learning and building collegiality, it may just not
be practical in this age. We live in a diff world, we need to adapt and be flexible. One stencil won’t fit
every person.
We need to deliberately listen to and be informed by each person.
Builds expectation that you’ll seek fellowship with your peers, an important part of growing.
Schools role- important time that is formative. Is it used by chaplains.
There are different stories toward ordination, chaplaincy and other ministry.
The process of asking the questions – asking how do I feel about this world, how does this world
feel about me?
How does coming from a non-Anglican background impact? It is doable, becoming more frequent.
There’s a bigness about the theology at St Francis…felt like a good fit.
Ordained vocations: theological education for the whole people of God…we are all called to be
Christ’s followers
Our hope for the college is to reflect the love of jesus, become better disciples, better equipped
Experience of one student: not going toward ordination, but fell in love with theology. That term
Ministry Education Commission – change or totally own the name!
Experience of another student: one person had a theology degree, but had to do an extra 10
subjects. Could have done a masters in that time.
We need to market Lay Education work to fill the need for other alternative avenues of faith
education.
To go and do adult education, had to do a cert 4…already had an education degree. It impacts the
uptake of the degree…and appears unreasonable. It is unreasonable when you consider that
academically, a graduate is able to think, critique and evaluate with a particular level of skill. To then
have to go back to square one is puzzling. Why would you not recognise that a person has
achieved to a particular level, and then allow them to go on to deeper study, thought and analysis.
Sure there has to be exposure to and use of material for understanding the faith/tradition etc, but is
yet another bachelor’s degree the best way to make the most of a person’s experience. Consider
offering a grad dip, masters, etc with auditing other subjects. The financial burden of a “return to
square one” bachelor’s degree is huge and may well turn people away.
Let’s look at flexible ways for people to maximise their prior experience/academic study…
Tailor a programme to a particular need may allow us to attract more over 25’s into ministry.
Teaching: can do a dip ed with limited time, using prior subject areas. Mentor identifies areas that
you need to work on and then you study those.
CSU, source of frustration for students. Our lecturers have no choice for setting the assignments.
Thoroughly recommend the experience of SFC, but CSU is different. If we want own vocation and
education, we need to stand on our own feet and offer an education package from our diocese.
Keep the diversity within the unity and equip people to work within the difference and appreciate
and value the richness.
What we’ve seen from the college in the last couple of years has been really productive and
welcoming, accepting of difference and affirming. We have a great environment and product to offer
and it would be great to be able to do that with our own licence…not tied to and diluted by CSU.
INITIATOR: Paul Mitchell (Gail Frankcom not present) RECORDER: Russell Manfield
PARTICIPANTS:
Russell Manfield, Aline Stinton, York McFadzean, Ceri Wynne, Paul Mitchell, Jeffery Rogers,
Steven Schwarzrock, Amy Norman, Alison Reid, Barry Miller, Kay Rhodes, Joe Samson, Mark
Carlyon, Cathy Laufer, Stephen Hilditch, Lee Gauld
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
• Discussions were opened outlining the Anglican Canon relating to only being authorised to
marry a man and a woman. Also outlined a process (potential) where a couple marry
(legally) outside the church then are blessed (canonically) within the church
• Appraised some of the scriptural reinforcements against same-sex tolerance. Recognised
that the foundational issue remains acceptance of a variety of sexualities which need to be
addressed before approaching same sex marriage
• Some sharing of a range of personal approaches by both clergy and lay to same-sex
couples and the recognition or blessing of their union
• Also diocesan approaches of different dioceses around Australia in terms of tabling motions
at 2020 General Synod
• It was stated by some that the lack of opportunity for same sex couples to marry within the
church causes ongoing considerable hurt to these couples, their friends and families, the
church communities, the place and reputation of the church within the community. There are
many young people who see the Anglican Church as irrelevant, outdated and lacking in
compassion because we do not allow same sex couples to marry. An immediate result is
that they choose not to be part of us.
• This forum is far better suited to this issue – more contributions than occurred at same-sex
blessing motion tabled last year. Recognise the variety of voices on this issue – certainly
cannot characterise this group as all on the same page!
• A really respectful and purposeful discussion in this group
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Three people attended included me, this is a good start. Is it the time to debate on moving on from
our differences? Is it the time for people like me to come forward? Is this a good time to move
forward with all the different cultures and that the diocese to try make things happen combined, and
set the right foundation now, one step at the time. As in these steps:
1. What to do and what not to do, is to start with five people who have got the vision from each
different group or culture. These groups the faithful ones, fearing God right people in the
right place working together for the new church which will emerge in future. The meeting
needs to start now, and the review must be done after 2 years. To see the progress, then
again after 3 years this will ensure us whether we are heading in the right direction. This all
together will give us a clear picture of where we are heading in 5 years. The point is to start
now. Set plan a for 10 years to come then review the whole thing.
2. As one of wardens from my parish pointed out the need to be united by starting to say things
which will reinforce unity such as, instead saying English congregation and Sudanese
congregation we need to say 8 am service and 11 am service. This simple statement will
unify us and set the foundation right and bring us together.
3. Through unity the different group will learn and merge, if someone stepped on another
person’s feet, they would tell you that it is painful. Therefore, the need for open trust, with
thrill monitoring with respect. This will allow a healthy environment to emerge and a solid
foundation will build up. The fear from the others going to take over will slowly by slowly
disappear and we will look after each other in better or worse.
4. Partnership module needs to be looked at and improved, those who are qualified and know
both cultures need to be impowered. This is not only for other cultures but also for the owner
of the land.
5. There is need to have events that brings the different cultures together, such as unified
services as vigil prayer, combined services, open English and Arabic classes. Which will
attract everyone all together. Social event’s, music concerts, picnics at the park to make
people interact, adopt and get along. Younger people are always quick to adapt and learn so
there is a need to open trust to allow the youth to take ride in leadership with intensive
monitoring. This will empower the next future Church to come for at least 50 to 100 years to
come. Furthermore, to help the youth there needs to be a faithful mature adult from their
background to make this mission possible with God’s help. Amen.
The outcome came out from the discussion:
Point1: It is happening from above mentioned. It is not about timing we need not to get caught on
time, for time is in God’s hand. What we need to do is have faith and in God’s timing it will happen.
So, as faithful people we need to trust God in little we have and move on.
PARTICIPANTS:
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS
DISCUSSION HIGHLIGHTS….
Discussion highlights: Yes the Diocese can and should raise funds for this service. Living Well is a
unique highly regarded counselling service for men who have been sexually abused.
Its founder Dr Gary Foster and another staff member was recently headhunted by the state
government. The remaining staff are nearing retirement age, but feel torn between retiring and
staying to continue the service.
What is needed is a transition plan to allow this unique and much needed service to move into the
next iteration of its life. And to ensure men who depend on it continue to receive the support they
need.
This fundraising will be an important message of solidarity for people harm by diocese institution. It
will be a tangible example of our desire to be reconciled with those harmed. It will show that we are
serious and sincere in our apologies.
Josie Yarham
Cathy Grant
Mary-Anne Rulfs
Ceri Wynne
Rod Kennedy
Michelle Philp
David Hale
Michele Knight
Erika Williams
Alan Gallimore
Stephen Briggs
Steph Cotroneo
Morris Rangiwai
Diane Massurit
Pat Hanly
Sylvia Free
Ann Dashwood
Robert Sweeney
Sandra Beck
Vaishi Raja
Chris Tyack
Mary Couche
Margaret Wesley
Julia Van den Bos
Louise Orpe (Rosewood)
Martin Hawkins
Suzanne Grimmett
Sandra Beck
Susan Sharpe
Ceri Wynne
Michelle Knight
Deb Bird
Suzanne Grimmett
Jeni Nix
Suzanne Lazarevski
Gary Harch
Samuel Dow
David Lupton
Sylvia Horsham
Angela Slack
Cheryl Dymock (Sherwood)
Helen Irwin (Springfield)
Pamela McHardy
David Lupton
Susan Sharpe/Shape?
Brough Warren
Desley Green
Kim Vellnagel
Wendy Brown
Ruth Kerr