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Difference Between Nationalism And Patriotism

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October 13, 2009 • 90 Comments

Nationalism vs Patriotism

Nationalism and patriotism both show the relationship of an individual towards his or her
nation. The two are often confused and frequently believed to mean the same thing.
However, there is a vast difference between nationalism and patriotism.

Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background,

including language and heritage. Patriotism pertains to the love for a nation, with more
emphasis on values and beliefs.

When talking about nationalism and patriotism, one cannot avoid the famous quotation
by George Orwell, who said that nationalism is ‘the worst enemy of peace’. According to
Nationalism
him, vs Patriotism
nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects, while
patriotism is merely a feeling of admiration for a way of life. These concepts show that
Nationalism and patriotism both show the relationship of an individual towards his or her
nation. The two are often confused and frequently believed to mean the same thing.
However, there is a vast difference between nationalism and patriotism.

Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background,

patriotism is passive by nature and nationalism can be a little aggressive.

Patriotism is based on affection and nationalism is rooted in rivalry and resentment. One
can say that nationalism is militant by nature and patriotism is based on peace.

Most nationalists assume that their country is better than any other, whereas patriots
believe that their country is one of the best and can be improved in many ways. Patriots
tend to believe in friendly relations with other countries while some nationalists don’t.

In patriotism, people all over the world are considered equal but nationalism implies that
only the people belonging to one’s own country should be considered one’s equal.

patriotism is passive by nature and nationalism can be a little aggressive.

Patriotism is based on affection and nationalism is rooted in rivalry and resentment. One
can say that nationalism is militant by nature and patriotism is based on peace.
A patriotic person tends to tolerate criticism and tries to learn something new from it, but
Most
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considers it an any other, whereas patriots
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believe that their country is one of the best and can be improved in many ways. Patriots
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nationalists don’t.
Nationalism can also make one contemptuous of the virtues of other nations. Patriotism,
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value are considered equal
responsibilities butthan just valuing
rather implies that
loyalty
only the people
towards belonging
one’s own country.to one’s own country should be considered one’s equal.

Nationalism makes one try to find justification for mistakes made in the past, while
patriotism enables people to understand both the shortcomings and improvements
made.

A patriotic person tends to tolerate criticism and tries to learn something new from it, but
Summary:
a nationalist cannot tolerate any criticism and considers it an insult.
Patriot: Expresses the emotion of love towards his country in a passive way
Nationalism makes one to think only of one’s country’s virtues and not its deficiencies.
Nationalist: Strives for independence and the interests and domination of a nation and
Nationalism can also make one contemptuous of the virtues of other nations. Patriotism,
expresses his love or concern for the country in an active political way.
on the other hand, pertains to value responsibilities rather than just valuing loyalty
towards one’s own country.

Nationalism makes one try to find justification for mistakes made in the past, while
patriotism enables people to understand both the shortcomings and improvements
made.
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Craig McCulley
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February 1, 2012
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Nationalism, aggressive?

Nationalism IS NOT Fascism.

Do not get the two mixed up; if you do you end up with communist idiots like yourself writing
sub-par pseudo-political articles such as this.
Previous Post Next Post
Here’s an ‘Difference between’ for you good sir, the difference between this and other
articles is that this is laughably shite; shite of the utmost shitest quality.

February 1, 2012

Craig McCulley
Try harder, little red writer !

Reply

Deborah Seneca
June 14, 2012

Craig McCulley,

My thoughts exactly. You are a Nationalist and a Patriot, as am I! I salute you and your
country! Live long and prosper!

Reply
Try harder, little red writer !
assas
June 30, 2012

June 14, 2012

You are stuck in the 50s faggot.

Nationalism
Deborah Senecais a disease preventing mankind’s progression into the future. This coupled
with
Craigreligion spells our fate as a doomed species.
McCulley,
Your country exactly.
My thoughts is a landYou
massarewhich you justand
a Nationalist happened to as
a Patriot, be am
born
I! on. Youryou
I salute implemented
and your
barriers
country! promote
Live longisolation and foster ignorance of other cultures and leads to friction.
and prosper!
Enjoy jerking it to your flag buddy, while your government robs you of whatever
“freedom” you have left.
June
Reply30, 2012

assas
Craig
You McCulley
are stuck in the 50s faggot.
July 3, 2012
Nationalism is a disease preventing mankind’s progression into the future. This coupled
Hahahahaha
with poor
religion spells baby.
our fate as a doomed species.
Nationalism
Your country isisa the
landdisease killingyou
mass which the just
world? Nationalism
happened to beisn’t
borneven a strong
on. Your force in
implemented
the modern world! Seriously, I think you’re the one thinking in cold war terms here
barriers promote isolation and foster ignorance of other cultures and leads to friction.
bro. Nationalism ( Which isn’t Fascism, as I explained in my original post, but you
seem
Enjoy to have
jerking it todifficulty
your flagunderstanding) has no
buddy, while your real powerrobs
government in today’s
you of globalist
whatever
society and mist certainly
“freedom” you have left. isn’t preventing anyone advancing anywhere.

It’s people like you who hinder mankinds progression, ultra-liberal atheist
fundamentalists ( Worse than Nazis in my opinion).
You say
July 3, I, as a nationalist am ignorant of other cultures, yet your own ideology
2012
promotes the destruction of national identities and cultures all over the world, you
also actively discriminate people on their religious beliefs on a scale never taken
Craig McCulley
upon by any religion ever seen in the past.
Hahahahaha poor baby.

Nationalism is the disease killing the world? Nationalism isn’t even a strong force in
the modern world! Seriously, I think you’re the one thinking in cold war terms here
bro. Nationalism ( Which isn’t Fascism, as I explained in my original post, but you
seem to have difficulty understanding) has no real power in today’s globalist
Really, it is you, who is ignorant of culture and hinders the progression of man kind.

Finally, your argument of my country is just where I happened to be born, is

hilarious! People don’t just appear in random nations across the world, that’s not
how childbirth works LOL!! I didn’t appear anyway, I can trace my ancestry in
Scotland back to 500sAD, around the time Celtic prehistory ended. Thus indicating
the line could go even farther back in time.
I didn’t just ‘happen’ to be born here, my genes, my lineage, has been here for
thousands of years, it is my land, my heritage

Your argument is as retarded as the ideology you follow.

If I were you, I would bite my tongue when conversing with followers of an higher
ideology – and oh, if you’re trolling (which I hope you are, the thought of people like
you actually voting sends shivers down my spine!) then please, don’t do it again,
Really,
your notit very
is you, whoatisit!ignorant of culture and hinders the progression of man kind.
good
Finally,
Reply your argument of my country is just where I happened to be born, is
hilarious! People don’t just appear in random nations across the world, that’s not
how childbirth works LOL!! I didn’t appear anyway, I can trace my ancestry in
Thelonious
Scotland backMonk
to 500sAD, around the time Celtic prehistory ended. Thus indicating
the line17,
August could
2012go even farther back in time.
I didn’t just ‘happen’ to be born here, my genes, my lineage, has been here for
LOLOL
thousands other
of than
years,McCarthy and the
it is my land, my whole civil rights thing, what exactly do you
heritage
find wrong with the 50’s?
Your argument is as retarded as the ideology you follow.
Reply
If I were you, I would bite my tongue when conversing with followers of an higher
ideology – and oh, if you’re trolling (which I hope you are, the thought of people like
you actually voting sends shivers down my spine!) then please, don’t do it again,
f
your not very good at it!
December 19, 2012

Typical of the Christians, shifting the blame onto non-believers. Next thing you’ll
know they’ll claim that the Muslims and Christians were all Atheists were all
August 17, 2012
Atheists who wanted to make religion look bad.

Thelonious
Reply Monk
LOLOL other than McCarthy and the whole civil rights thing, what exactly do you
find wrong with the 50’s?
Leslie
August 31, 2014

Nationalism is what the “N” stands for in NAZI. The American National Socialist
December 19, 2012
party defines itself as the American Nazi party and say they are “committed to
bringing American National Socialism out of the past.”
f
Reply
Typical of the Christians, shifting the blame onto non-believers. Next thing you’ll
know they’ll claim that the Muslims and Christians were all Atheists were all
Atheists who wanted to make religion look bad.
Mr B J Man
October 25, 2018

August 31, 2014

Leslie
Leslie, as you yourself demonstrate the “N” DOESN’T stand for “Nationalism”!

It stands for “NATIONAL”!!

As in “National SOCIALISM”!!!

Reply

Mr B J Man
October 25, 2018

There is NO “famous quotation by George Orwell, who said that nationalism is ‘the
worst enemy of peace’.”
Leslie, as you yourself demonstrate the “N” DOESN’T stand for “Nationalism”!
There is an essay by Orwell in which he discusses something for which there is NO
word in English
It stands that he contrasts with Patriotism.
for “NATIONAL”!!
And therefore borrows the word “Nationalism” as shorthand for this concept within
As in “National SOCIALISM”!!!
the essay (only).

Therefore, “According to him,” the ACTUAL word “nationalism is” NOT “a feeling
that one’s country is superior to another in all respects”!
October 25, 2018
Furthermore, this concept he labels “Nationalism” for the purposes of the essay, he
Mr B J to
applies Manthings like religions, political movements, including Communism and
Trotskyism,
There is NO and even quotation
“famous negative things such Orwell,
by George as hatred of said
who a country, INCLUDING
that nationalism is ‘the
ONE’S OWN. of peace’.”
worst enemy

And
Thereheisspecifically
an essay bydisparages the way
Orwell in which he English
discusses intellectuals
something often are “Nationalists”
for which there is NO
in their
word inlove
Englishof the USSR
that and/or hatred
he contrasts of England, Britain and/or the United
with Patriotism.
States.
And therefore borrows the word “Nationalism” as shorthand for this concept within
If
theyou actually
essay bothered to read his Essay (without bias) you would have realised
(only).
that it perfectly describes todays “Nationalists” (of his essay):
Therefore, “According to him,” the ACTUAL word “nationalism is” NOT “a feeling
US
that“Democrats”,
one’s country“liberals”,
is superiorGreens, Environmentalists,
to another in all respects”!UK Europhiles,
Islamophiles…
Furthermore, this concept he labels “Nationalism” for the purposes of the essay, he
Read
applies histoactual
thingsessay without blinkers,
like religions, and see for yourself!
political movements, including Communism and
Trotskyism, and even negative things such as hatred of a country, INCLUDING
Oh,
ONE’SandOWN.if:

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he specifically all over the
disparages theworld are considered
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intellectuals often are “Nationalists”
in their love of the USSR and/or hatred of England, Britain and/or the United
How on earth can it be possible to claim: “Patriotism pertains to the love for a
States.
nation”?!
If you actually bothered to read his Essay (without bias) you would have realised
Reply
that it perfectly describes todays “Nationalists” (of his essay):

US “Democrats”, “liberals”, Greens, Environmentalists, UK Europhiles,

Islamophiles…

Read his actual essay without blinkers, and see for yourself!

Oh, and if:

TihiToki
December 30, 2012

Sir, you just made my day. I knew there were wise people like you, and I hope that
everyone would be like you and have the skill to right as beautifully as you do.
Have a really good day sir(/ma’am) =)

Reply

Jesus OPPOSED religion

February 5, 2013

Excuse me Mr. McCully. Why do you asume that someone bashing religion and
December 30, 2012
nationalism has to be an atheist. I am a Christian, and I’ve read in the New
Testament that the Gospel of Jesus is NOT pride for country, or love for money, or
TihiToki
hate against others who think any different, but LOVE!!! If you are not a Christian,
Sir, youignore
please just made
my comment
my day. I altogether,
knew thereforwere
I respect
wise people
whatever
like you
you,believe,
and I hope
sincethat
everyone
Jesus NEVER
would condemned
be like youanyone,
and havenotthe
even
skillthe
to right
romansas beautifully
who torturedas and
you killed
do.
HaveHe
him. a really
even good
askedday thesir(/ma’am)
Father to forgive
=) them. But if you ARE a “Christian”, in the
name of Jesus I rebuke you! For being the exact example of why so many souls
are being twrown to hell, since for “Christian” examples like yours, they turn
atheists or satanists. The Bible itself teacher that “thou shalt judge them by their
fruit”. What
February fruit are you giving??? The one of hate, pride (Lucifer’s sin) and
5, 2013
violence??? Jesus said that the foremost commandment was to love God with all
you mind,
Jesus heart andreligion
OPPOSED strength and your neighbor as yourself.
Excuse me Mr. McCully. Why do you asume that someone bashing religion and
I agree Nationalism is not Fascism, but is it any better? The English Empire
nationalism has to be an atheist. I am a Christian, and I’ve read in the New
murdered thousands, yet, it wasn’t Fascism. Nevertheless, it is the doorway to it.
Testament that the Gospel of Jesus is NOT pride for country, or love for money, or
Do you think the German soldiers who died in WWII had any different reasons for
hate against others who think any different, but LOVE!!! If you are not a Christian,
fighting than any other “nationalist”? They did so for “God, Freedom and Country”,
please ignore my comment altogether, for I respect whatever you believe, since
as they were indoctrinated. Just like the poor American kids being sent to a war
Jesus NEVER condemned anyone, not even the romans who tortured and killed
were they’re taught to kill a satanized enemy, causing millions of innocent deaths.
him. He even asked the Father to forgive them. But if you ARE a “Christian”, in the
name of Jesus
I’m sorry I rebuke
if I offend you, you!
and I’mFor sorry
beingifthe
I’veexact example
hurt your ofbut
heart, whyplease
so many souls
learn to
are being twrown to hell, since for “Christian” examples like yours, they turn
discern from the lies of Satan and the world. This is the TRUE gospel: Love. If you
atheists or satanists. The Bible itself teacher that “thou shalt judge them by their
don’t love, please don’t call yourself a Christian. I’ll pray for you, and leave you
fruit”.
with 1What fruit are13you giving??? The one of hate, pride (Lucifer’s sin) and
Corinthians
violence??? Jesus said that the foremost commandment was to love God with all
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you mind, heart and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only
Iaagree Nationalism
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thousands, yet, it wasn’t Fascism. Nevertheless, it is the doorway
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Country”,
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as they were indoctrinated. Just like the poor American kids being sent to a war
nothing.
were they’re taught to kill a satanized enemy, causing millions of innocent deaths.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5
I’m sorry if I offend you, and I’m sorry if I’ve hurt your heart, but please learn to
discern from the lies of Satan and the world. This is the TRUE gospel: Love. If you
don’t love, please don’t call yourself a Christian. I’ll pray for you, and leave you
with 1 Corinthians 13
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It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps
no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It
always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

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Joseph Bigayan
March 6, 2013

IItthink
doesyou’ve misunderstood
not dishonor others, it assas’s arguement about
is not self-seeking, being
it is not born
easily into a particular
angered, it keeps
society or culture.. lol.
no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It
always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
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scott dude
January 11, 2014

You have to be a troll. I refuse to believe people are this dumb. I especially found
the part where you said you can trace your heritage to 500 AD, that’s good stuff.
March 6, 2013
Reply
Joseph Bigayan
I think you’ve misunderstood assas’s arguement about being born into a particular
Craig McCulley
society or culture.. lol.
January 31, 2014

This may shock you Scott.

But just because you cannot trace your line back that far within your own country
January 11, 2014
doesn’t mean I cannot either.

scottheard
Ever dudeof records? Good stuff.
You have to be a troll. I refuse to believe people are this dumb. I especially found
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the part where you said you can trace your heritage to 500 AD, that’s good stuff.

Internationalist
February 16, 2016
January 31, 2014
He is not a troll, he is a big standard Nationalist. Judges the world on nationality
Craig McCulley
(an accident of birth) and not on action or a desire for peace and unity. They
project their fantasies
This may shock you Scott.onto a blank canvas (in the Scottish case, independence
from a 300
But just year old
because youunion
cannotwithtrace
the rest
yourofline
their
backisland.) andwithin
that far whenyour
mixed with
own country
Scotland’s humungous Irish
doesn’t mean I cannot either. population, you can see why 35.5% of registered
voters (49.9% of who turned up to vote) got behind the populist SNP.
Ever heard of records? Good stuff.

February 16, 2016

Scottish Nationalists have proven themselves to be among some of the most bitter
and conspiratorial of Nationalists.

They are like a BNP or Front Nationale, but with left wing rhetoric and faux-
progressivism.

I think it is really just an engrained hatred of the English from “true Scot”
nationalists, and just anti-British bigotry & hatred from Scots Irish who are raised
on a diet of one sided misrepresented Irish Republican propaganda.

Dont be fooled. Einstein was right.

The measles of mankind……..highly infectious and entirely destructive.

Scotland used to be known

Scottish Nationalists as thethemselves
have proven fun part of the UK,
to be good some
among with money, built the
of the most bitter
British empire, led the way in
and conspiratorial of Nationalists. finance, medicine and technology as the newly
formed UK allowed wealth to flood into Scotland (who were bankrupt at the time).
They are like a BNP or Front Nationale, but with left wing rhetoric and faux-
All Nationalist Scot’s have is clinging to misrepresented data about oil revenues
progressivism.
over the last 30 years…..with no thought AT ALL to the English, N.Irish and Welsh
who have
I think it is supported andengrained
really just an bailed them out of
hatred at the
various times
English over
from theScot”
“true last 300 years!
nationalists, and just anti-British bigotry & hatred from Scots Irish who are raised
Not
on ato mention
diet of onethe ultimate
sided fight against
misrepresented fascism.
Irish And I propaganda.
Republican mean actual fascism, not
the fascism that Scots Irish attribute to the most diverse and internationalist
country
Dont be on Earth,Einstein
fooled. the UK.was right.

There is a pettyness
The measles and insecurity (and
of mankind……..highly a lack of
infectious ACTUAL
and entirely historic knowledge on
destructive.
their part) from Scottish Nationalists.
Scotland used to be known as the fun part of the UK, good with money, built the
Scotland was known
British empire, led theas waythein“wee” conscious
finance, medicineand brains
and behind as
technology thethe
British
newly Empire
and the UK
formed UK’s ascension
allowed wealthto atoworld
flood power, now, they
into Scotland (wholook likebankrupt
were a dividedatparochial
the time).
“wee” mess of Irish Republicans, conspiracy theorists, radical socialists,
All Nationalist
conspiracy Scot’s have
theorists, is radicals
far-left clinging andto misrepresented data about oil revenues
bitter Nationalists.
over the last 30 years…..with no thought AT ALL to the English, N.Irish and Welsh
Luckily,
who have thesupported
numbers and showbailed
they are
them a minority who only
out at various dominate
times over thetheir
last politics
300 years!
because 64% of Scottish voters either vote other parties or chose not to vote.
Not to mention the ultimate fight against fascism. And I mean actual fascism, not
Sad. Watching
the fascism thata Scots
once global titan, failing
Irish attribute to thetomost
see 1) what they
diverse and have and 2) trying to
internationalist
run away,
country onscrap
Earth,allthe
their
UK. national defences, create a one party state and hand over
more autonomy to the EU than the UK even has.
There is a pettyness and insecurity (and a lack of ACTUAL historic knowledge on
Maybe thefrom
their part) majority will get
Scottish through to the loud minority one day.
Nationalists.

IScotland
think another referendum
was known as thein“wee”
the next 2 years and
conscious will be needed
brains to put
behind the itBritish
to bedEmpire
once
and for all.
the UK’s ascension to a world power, now, they look like a divided parochial
“wee” mess of Irish Republicans, conspiracy theorists, radical socialists,
Staggering
conspiracy that 55% of
theorists, individual
far-left votes,
radicals andabitter
10%Nationalists.
double-digit gap and 28 out of 32
regions rejecting separation was STILL no enough to get through to Nationalists.
Luckily, the numbers show they are a minority who only dominate their politics
Alba Gu Brath
because 64% ofand all that.voters either vote other parties or chose not to vote.
Scottish

Sad. Watching a once global titan, failing to see 1) what they have and 2) trying to
run away, scrap all their national defences, create a one party state and hand over
more autonomy to the EU than the UK even has.
Reply

Internationalist
February 16, 2016

You sound like a blood, soil and thunder Nationalist. Slightly unhinged, emotionally
hysterical and you actually fit the caricature listed in the article here, the article that
you decry, lol. You are Scottish, so you should know the dangers of Nationalism.
The majority of Scotland chose economic, defensive and societal security in their
recent referendum. Scottish Nationalists characterize it as “cowardice”
“brainwashed by bias media” etc etc. Rather than the fact that many Scots made it
clear, in the post ref polling, that they voted No for security, economic protection
and national security.

In fact, your Nationalist party took 49.9% of a 71% turnout (yet somehow got 90%
of UK Govt
February Scottish WM seats!), so only 35.5% of registered voters even voted
16, 2016
your all powerful Nationalist party, lol.
Internationalist
Check the numbers and see how failed an endeavour Scottish Nationalism
You sound
REALLY is. like a blood,
Ignore soil and
your media thunder
and Nationalist.conspiracy
the propaganda Slightly unhinged, emotionally
blogs that SNP
hysterical and you actually fit the
supporters seem to quote at every turn – caricature listed in the article here, the article that
you decry, lol. You are Scottish, so you should know the dangers of Nationalism.
The voters
Yes majority of Scotland
– 1.6 million chose economic, defensive and societal security in their
recent referendum.
No voters – 2.1 million Scottish Nationalists characterize it as “cowardice”
“brainwashed by bias media” etc etc. Rather than the fact that many Scots made it
Yes
clear,vote by post
in the council
ref –polling,
4/32 that they voted No for security, economic protection
No
andvote by council
national – 28/32
security.

SNP vote
In fact, share
your in 2015 party
Nationalist – 49.9%
took 49.9% of a 71% turnout (yet somehow got 90%
2015
of UKGE Scottish
Govt Scottishturnout – 71% so only 35.5% of registered voters even voted
WM seats!),
Registered VotersNationalist
your all powerful in Scotland – 4.1lol.
party, million
Total Scottish Voter share – 35.5%
Check the numbers and see how failed an endeavour Scottish Nationalism
Voted
REALLY SNP
is. –Ignore
1.4 million
your media and the propaganda conspiracy blogs that SNP
Voted opposition
supporters seem to parties
quote– at
1.4every
million
turn –
Registered voters who chose not to vote for any party – 1.3 million.
Yes voters – 1.6 million
So
No in short,
voters in Scotland
– 2.1 million –

Scottish
Yes vote Nationalists
by council – –4/32
1.4 million definite, rising to 1.6 million at referendum.
No vote by council – 28/32
Non-Nationalists – 2.7 million definite, around 2.1 million rejecting independence at
SNP vote share in 2015 – 49.9%
referendum.
2015 GE Scottish turnout – 71%
Not all Yes voters
Registered Voters were Nationalists
in Scotland and not all No voters were Unionists.
– 4.1 million
Total Scottish Voter share – 35.5%
I know this will probably be met with anger, rage, emotion, misdirection and
hysteria……but
Voted SNP – 1.4these
millionare the simple, documented, factual numbers.
Voted opposition parties – 1.4 million
Registered voters who chose not to vote for any party – 1.3 million.

So in short, in Scotland –

Scottish Nationalists – 1.4 million definite, rising to 1.6 million at referendum.

But then being a Nationalist…..you will probably wail a lot and yell “conspiracy” or
one of the usual misdirections.

Have a great day.

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Mcdonald
May 26, 2017

This guy is the perfect example as to why the average person now realises that
nationalists aren’t capable of reasoning. Surely you nationalists can do better than
“ultra-liberal atheists are worse than nazis, also it is YOU that is ignorant!”.
But then being a Nationalist…..you will probably wail a lot and yell “conspiracy” or
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one of the usual misdirections.

Have a great day.

The Dude
July 5, 2017

And five years later we have trump, an anti intellectual nationalist (which is
May 26, 2017
redundant). And you see the anger and fear he has brought out in people.
Unfortunately, it is a force now.
Mcdonald
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This guy is the perfect example as to why the average person now realises that
nationalists aren’t capable of reasoning. Surely you nationalists can do better than
“ultra-liberal atheists are worse than nazis, also it is YOU that is ignorant!”.
EsciSpectre
July 9, 2017

I have a dream, that one day, We will no longer surrender this country or its people
July 5, 2017
to the false song of globalism.

The Dudewill never be even remotely viable in the presence of the ideological
Globalism
disease
And five that is later
years Islam.
we have trump, an anti intellectual nationalist (which is
redundant). And you see the anger and fear he has brought out in people.
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Unfortunately, it is a force now.

Robert
September 9, 2018
July 9, 2017
While I am not a nationalist and am an atheist, I am a liberal and I’d like to say that
EsciSpectre
leftists are the people that have always been against nationalism.
I have a dream, that one day, We will no longer surrender this country or its people
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to the false song of globalism.

Globalism will never be even remotely viable in the presence of the ideological
Diane wils
disease that is Islam.

September 9, 2018
October 9, 2018

Me thinks thou doth protest too much…

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Nationalist
August 16, 2012

You are the same as those who crowd into city streets and chant “end racism, end
prejudice!!!” whenever any law that considers anything that may possibly affect
immigration in such a way so as to reduce it; or whenever a law meant to wedge
October 9, 2018
your nation’s borders open as wide as possible meats any scant opposition. You
are simply a maggot; a clone of the many millions of brainless fools just like you.

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thinks nation is protest
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much…
its demise as your kind so desperately strive to do.

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August 16, 2012

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I think your nation is not falling fast enough as you want- you should go and hasten
its demise as your kind so desperately strive to do.
Laughing Hard
August 17, 2016

October 30, 2015

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1950s. That is beyond rich.
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August 17, 2016

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1950s. That is beyond rich.

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Reddit “Post your fedora” thread? Also your delusional comment on increasingly
tyrannical government. Both indicate you’re an edgelord who loves that immensely
 May 30, 2019

If you live in a country other than the U.S. your government or dictatorship has
already taken yours.

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Jesus OPPOSED religion

August 20, 2012

Excuse me Sir. Why do you asume that someone bashing religion and nationalism has
to be an atheist. I am a Christian, and I’ve read in the New Testament that the Gospel of
May 30, 2019
Jesus is NOT pride for country, or love for money, or hate against others who think any
different, but LOVE!!! If you are not a Christian, please ignore my comment altogether,
for I respect whatever you believe, since Jesus NEVER condemned anyone, not even
theIf romans
you livewho
in a country
tortured other
and killed
than him.
the U.S.
He even
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government
the Father
or dictatorship
to forgive them.
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if you
already
AREtaken
a “Christian”,
yours. in the name of Jesus I rebuke you! For being the exact
example of why so many souls are being twrown to hell, since for “Christian” examples
like yours, they turn atheists or satanists. The Bible itself teacher that “thou shalt judge
them by their fruit”. What fruit are you giving??? The one of hate, pride (Lucifer’s sin)
and violence???
August 20, 2012 Jesus said that the foremost commandment was to love God with all
you mind, heart and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
Jesus OPPOSED religion
I agree Nationalism is not Fascism, but is it any better? The English Empire murdered
Excuse me Sir. Why do you asume that someone bashing religion and nationalism has
thousands, yet, it wasn’t Fascism. Nevertheless, it is the doorway to it. Do you think the
to be an atheist. I am a Christian, and I’ve read in the New Testament that the Gospel of
German soldiers who died in WWII had any different reasons for fighting than any other
Jesus is NOT pride for country, or love for money, or hate against others who think any
“nationalist”? They did so for “God, Freedom and Country”, as they were indoctrinated.
different, but LOVE!!! If you are not a Christian, please ignore my comment altogether,
Just like the poor American kids being sent to a war were they’re taught to kill a
for I respect whatever you believe, since Jesus NEVER condemned anyone, not even
satanized enemy, causing millions of innocent deaths.
the romans who tortured and killed him. He even asked the Father to forgive them. But
if you ARE a “Christian”, in the name of Jesus I rebuke you! For being the exact
I’m sorry if I offend you, and I’m sorry if I’ve hurt your heart, but please learn to discern
example of why
from the lies so many
of Satan andsouls are being
the world. This twrown
is the TRUE to hell, since Love.
gospel: for “Christian”
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love,
like yours, they turn atheists or satanists. The Bible itself teacher that
please don’t call yourself a Christian. I’ll pray for you, and leave you with 1 Corinthians “thou shalt judge
them
13 by their fruit”. What fruit are you giving??? The one of hate, pride (Lucifer’s sin)
and violence??? Jesus said that the foremost commandment was to love God with all
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please don’t call yourself a Christian. I’ll pray for you, and leave you with 1 Corinthians
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13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a
resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom
all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do
Super Dhooper
January 27, 2013

If you want to be this kind of Christian then please continue to do what you do and
please preach this to more Christians. This is totally cool with me. You’re not
putting your beliefs on anyone else and who knows…maybe you’ll win some of us
over. Kudos to you.

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Jesus OPPOSED religion

February 5, 2013

January 27, 2013

Thanks, I have an keep doing it. God bless you.

Super
Reply Dhooper
If you want to be this kind of Christian then please continue to do what you do and
please preach this to more Christians. This is totally cool with me. You’re not
diedfamous
putting your beliefs on anyone else and who knows…maybe you’ll win some of us
March 12, 2016
over. Kudos to you.
I agree and salute (not in the nationalist sense) your message. This is the right way
to bring meaning to Jesus’ message.

February
Reply 5, 2013

Jesus OPPOSED religion

Damian Ferrebe
Thanks, I have an keep doing it. God bless you.
October 30, 2013

That is confusing I understood a couple of sentences

Is it bad to love someone that does not believe in religion
March 12, 2016
God wants us to love but he wants us to worship him to?

diedfamous
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I agree and salute (not in the nationalist sense) your message. This is the right way
to bring meaning to Jesus’ message.
Jesus OPPOSED religion
May 28, 2014

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May 28, 2014

Jesus OPPOSED religion

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partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?

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tainted, stained with the evils of religion. Think of yourself as a follower, an imitator
of Jesus. If you read your Bible, and obey the New Testament, trying to keep
yourself sin-free; and if you keep a personal relationship with the Father, keeping
Him as #1, and ignore the world’s hate and criticism against you, then you are a
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and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”
An “imitator of Jesus” would practice Judaism, worship the Torah and celebrate
passover. The last supper was Jesus and his disciples getting together to celebrate
passover.

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JK
December 5, 2014

To “Jesus OPPOSED Religion”:

Firstly, I want to congratulate you on your beautiful, beautiful understanding of faith

and the world.
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I am an agnostic, but I respect and support personal faith completely.

JK
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that came
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religious people make. I know that there ARE idiot atheists hell-bent on harassing
I urge everyone to take notice of one thing: these are the very same vices that
the faithful in the name of “rationalism”, but I feel offended when you suggest that
those nationalists and religious people accuse communism* of having. The pot
EVERY unbeliever WILL “bring [a faithful person] away from the path of God”. As I
calls the kettle black. The world doesn’t have enough space for two different
said, I am completely supportive of personal faith and freedom of belief, and I
extremist doctrines, but so as to avoid acknowledging their hipocrisy, they
would never get in the way of someone’s faith. And I assure you that most
rationalize this by accusing each other of the only thing they have in common.
agnostics and atheistics, or at least those I know, are like me. Intolerance and pride
aren’t
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just one thing of us.
I didn’t understood in your descriptions of your faith: at one
point, you say that it is indeed bad to love an unbeliever and even remarks that
“righteousness [can’t] walk together with unrighteousness”. Afterwards, you quote
the Bible (I don’t remember the exact words): “judge men by their fruit” and “love
thy neighbor as you do yourself”. Pardon me if I’m misunderstanding, but isn’t that
a contradiction? When you wrote that it’s bad to love the “unfaithful”, that came
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*about “communism”:Extreme left leaders such as Stalin and Mao have been
derogatorily called “nationalist socialists” by other leftists and non-authoritarian
socialists who disagreed with the authoritary, proud and intolerant behavior of
them.
“Communism” refers to these such ideologies, but the problem is that it eventually
became a derogatory catch-all term for any kind of socialism and even for anyone
to the left of center, such as me.

I’d like to remind people here that authoritarism, close-mindedness and pride are
NOT intrinsic characteristics of the Left, and most of us condone this kind of
behavior/ideology too.
Even most socialists (save for Stalinists and the like, obviously) recognize that
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trying to solve social inequalities by force won’t work and that this is ultimately why
the URSS failed. So, please, don’t try to put every leftist in the “communism” box.
*about “communism”:Extreme left leaders such as Stalin and Mao have been
This kind of namecalling throws away any chance of civilized debate and promotes
derogatorily called “nationalist socialists” by other leftists and non-authoritarian
hate and conflict.
socialists who disagreed with the authoritary, proud and intolerant behavior of
them.
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“Communism” refers to these such ideologies, but the problem is that it eventually
became a derogatory catch-all term for any kind of socialism and even for anyone
Hannah
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than Him.
Jason
Jason
January 24, 2014
Just my opinion.

February 12, 2013

This article writer is confused a bit. They are correct about Nationalism; it is a belief that
ones Nation and way of life is superior or exceptional in the world.
Patriotism, however, is the love of one’s culture, history and customs, as well as a love
of the principle of Sovereignty; the right of a people to make their own decisions for
themselves.

Patriots of the American Revolution quietly (couldn’t jump in and support because they
had just won a war with the support of the French Crown) supported the patriots of the
French Revolution because they were fighting for political sovereignty and democracy.

Nationalism IS one of the pillars of Fascism by the way. Along with Conservative-
traditional social values (different depending of the Nation) an elevation of the Soldier,
superiority of ones culture and or race, and a corporate alliance or dominance of
government.
This article writer is confused a bit. They are correct about Nationalism; it is a belief that
ones Nation
Read a book,and way
don’t of regurgitate
just life is superior or exceptional
talking points. in the world.
Patriotism, however, is the love of one’s culture, history and customs, as well as a love
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of the principle of Sovereignty; the right of a people to make their own decisions for
themselves.

Pat Riotof the American Revolution quietly (couldn’t jump in and support because they
Patriots
August 16,won
had just 2015a war with the support of the French Crown) supported the patriots of the
French Revolution because they were fighting for political sovereignty and democracy.
Well put
Nationalism IS one of the pillars of Fascism by the way. Along with Conservative-
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traditional social values (different depending of the Nation) an elevation of the Soldier,
superiority of ones culture and or race, and a corporate alliance or dominance of
government.
Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler
April 11, 2016
Read a book, don’t just regurgitate talking points.
Yeah Hitler was a Nationalist socialism and he fucking lost World War 2 with his stupid
nationalist ideology. Hitler even had a private army of Muslims fighting for him.
Nationalism sucks and Hitler just proved it.
August 16, 2015
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Pat Riot
Well put
tony
May 12, 2016

nationalism IS fascism… it is a fictitious imaginary boundary you make to justify your

April 11, 2016
‘love’ of the land and segregate yourself from others. ofcourse there are cultural and
socioeconomic differences but to LOVE it? to be prideful of it!?…. is to make oneself
Adolf Hitler
superior.
Yeah Hitler was a Nationalist socialism and he fucking lost World War 2 with his stupid
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nationalist ideology. Hitler even had a private army of Muslims fighting for him.
Nationalism sucks and Hitler just proved it.

TS Odinson

May 12, 2016

tony
 September 16, 2016

What bullshit subjective morality or ethics is backing your tearful statement that to
feel, think and be superior is wrong? Everyone loves Nietzsche so follow the logic,
Übermensch.

Reply

SARAH M DOGANIERI
September 9, 2016

Hitler was a nationalist…….. name a few more.

September 16, 2016
Reply

What bullshit subjective morality or ethics is backing your tearful statement that to
CAWL
feel, think and be superior is wrong? Everyone loves Nietzsche so follow the logic,
July 6, 2017
Übermensch.
Well, you proved the writer’s point perfectly.

Reply
September 9, 2016

Alan
SARAH M DOGANIERI
July 12, 2018
Hitler was a nationalist…….. name a few more.
Lest we forget, hitler rose to power from the support he received by nationalists.
Nationalism can lead to fascism.

July
Reply6, 2017

CAWL
Bonnie klages
Well, you proved the writer’s point perfectly.
November 14, 2018

Merriman-Webster Dictionary:

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placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those
of other nations or supranational groups.” This exclusionary aspect is not shared by
patriotism.
November 14, 2018

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Bonnie klages
Merriman-Webster Dictionary:

These two words may have shared a distinct sense in the 19th century, but they appear
to have grown apart since. Or rather, it would be more accurate to say that only
nationalism has grown apart, since the meaning of patriotism has remained largely
 Christina Cooper
September 24, 2019

You “sir”, term used loosely here, are the idiot. Nationaism is destroying this country
and your response is just vindicating what the author was saying. Grow up and wise
moron.

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Forrest Porter
August 6, 2012

Was not all convinced by the article. All I read was the difference between “nationalism” and
September 24, 2019
“nationalism-lite”.

Christina Cooper
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You “sir”, term used loosely here, are the idiot. Nationaism is destroying this country
and your response is just vindicating what the author was saying. Grow up and wise
Sacyb peer
moron.
October 3, 2012

I like the way and the points you differentiated the two:nationalism and patriotism

August
Reply 6, 2012

Forrest Porter
Sacyb peer
Was not all convinced by the article. All I read was the difference between “nationalism” and
October 3, 2012
“nationalism-lite”.
I like the answer

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October 3, 2012

nadhiya
Sacyb peer
December 17, 2012
I like the way and the points you differentiated the two:nationalism and patriotism
the differences displayed between nationalism and patriotism was simple and easily
understandable!!!!
superb!!!
October 3, 2012
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Sacyb peer
I like the answer
TihiToki
December 30, 2012

Yes, but completely false. I am an nationalist, but now way am I aggressive, nor do I
December 17, 2012

nadhiya
the differences displayed between nationalism and patriotism was simple and easily
understandable!!!!
superb!!!
 think others are inferior. But yes, I would like Finland to be mostly for Finnish people,
and I think Finnish heritage is way superior to somali, jews or gypsies.

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Jason
January 24, 2014

If you feel your way of life is superior, than you think other’s way of life is inferior.
There is no way around it. You are simply a Nationalist. But I do happen to agree
that your country has many superior qualities to my own (usa).

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think others are inferior. But yes, I would like Finland to be mostly for Finnish people,
and I think Finnish heritage is way superior to somali, jews or gypsies.
I think.
December 22, 2012

This article misunderstands ‘nationalism’ and confuses it with ‘chauvinism.’

January 24, 2014
Reply
Jason
If you feel your way of life is superior, than you think other’s way of life is inferior.
I think.
There is no way around it. You are simply a Nationalist. But I do happen to agree
December 22, 2012
that your country has many superior qualities to my own (usa).
With “I think,” I mean to say that I use my brain before I speak. Not like most of the
people who also commented here.

December
Reply 22, 2012

I think.
Craig McCulley
This article misunderstands ‘nationalism’ and confuses it with ‘chauvinism.’
January 4, 2013

I’d say the majority here think the article is also incorrect. So you cannot have
thought that hard before you commented.
December 22, 2012
Reply
I think.
With “I think,” I mean to say that I use my brain before I speak. Not like most of the
Chloe
people who also commented here.
January 24, 2014

You’re a tad obnoxious, aren’t you?

January
Reply 4, 2013

Craig McCulley
I’d say the majority here think the article is also incorrect. So you cannot have
thought that hard before you commented.

January 24, 2014

 Craig McCulley
January 31, 2014

Cry more

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Jon
May 19, 2013

I thought it was well written but it’s obvious you view nationalists as the enemy and patriots
as benevolent. I’m a nationalist, so many I’m biased but it’s more centred on the strength of
a nation than it is about butting heads with other countries and those who don’t agree with
us. I January 31, 2014
think the fact we target nations we perceive to be threats to the state is what gives us a
bad name. For instance, I would be in favor of annulling debt to china and sealing trade, but
Craig McCulley
only because they are flooding our economy.
Cry more
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Boss daddy
May 19, 2013
January 8, 2014

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us. I think the fact we target nations we perceive to be threats to the state is what gives us a
bad name. For instance, I would be in favor of annulling debt to china and sealing trade, but
only because they are flooding our economy.
TechZilla
July 23, 2014

I personally believe Patriotism is the ideology of the original patriots AKA the Congress-
January 8, 2014
men. The ideology between the nation and the individual is best described not in the
constitution, but in the declaration of independence.
Boss daddy
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legitimate nation of said patriots.

They are not Nationalists in any way really, the two are actually almost opposites.
Patriots are Libertarians by nature, the nation ain’t worth a damn if it takes those
July 23, 2014
liberties.
TechZilla
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The belief that government is only legitimate with the consent of the governed. It’s
highest priority is upholding the liberties outlined in that document. In addition is the
strong belief that when a government fails to uphold those liberties, it is no longer a
 rights of individuals. This doesn’t mean they aren’t important to every Nationalist, but
when the choice is exclusive, they place The Nation above Individual Liberties. They
can really place anything anywhere, as long as the nation reigns as the top priority.

In addition as a few others have indicated the nation is defined by a group of people
with shared heritage. This can be ethnocentric, racial, and/or cultural. It can be set in
stone de jure, or even as loose as a “way of life”.

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yodaseth
January 29, 2014

i am 31 years
rights old
of individuals. This doesn’t mean they aren’t important to every Nationalist, but
when the choice is exclusive, they place The Nation above Individual Liberties. They
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can really place anything anywhere, as long as the nation reigns as the top priority.

In addition as a few others have indicated the nation is defined by a group of people
Jason
with shared heritage. This can be ethnocentric, racial, and/or cultural. It can be set in
May 27, 2014
stone de jure, or even as loose as a “way of life”.
I think nationalism can be defined as supporting your country whether what it’s doing is right
or wrong.

January
Reply 29, 2014

yodaseth
David
i am 31 years old
July 15, 2014

I agree with other commenters that this article misses the mark, and is really just describing
chauvinism. Far too simplistic an interpretation. What of civic nationalism? What of
May 27, 2014
nationalists behind separatist movements (Scotland, Quebec, Catalonia, etc)–movements
born more out of a want for self-determination than a sense of inherent superiority? Similarly,
Jason
nationalism under occupation or aggression, like French nationalism during WW2, Native
IAmerican
think nationalism canduring
nationalism be defined as supporting
European/US your country
expansionism, whether what it’s doing
or contemporaneous is right
Tibetan
or wrong.
nationalism.

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July 15, 2014

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Soldiers anywhere in the world.

Some cultures ARE better than others. Any culture that makes it’s women wear burkas and
takes them out of school seems to me to be inferior to ones where people of any race and
gender can attend school and achieve on the basis of merit.

No culture or heritage is ALL bad or ALL good, but some definitely are tipped toward the
good side, including the one I live in now, The Republic of Texas.

As far as Nationalism goes, it is good to have healthy boundaries, especially when facing
other nations who want to kill you.

When a culture, including America’s, does engage in something immoral, it should be

checked and stopped. But that doesn’t mean everything about it is always “bad”. People are
too emotional
Soldiers and reactionary,
anywhere in the world.and the discussion on this thread is a perfect example.

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any race and
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can attend Nationalism
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everything
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merit.
chaos will make you happy?
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The Republic of Texas.

Ciao.
As far as Nationalism goes, it is good to have healthy boundaries, especially when facing
other nations who want to kill you.
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When a culture, including America’s, does engage in something immoral, it should be
checked and stopped. But that doesn’t mean everything about it is always “bad”. People are
tooJK
emotional and reactionary, and the discussion on this thread is a perfect example.
December 6, 2014
I think some people on this thread just enjoy imagining chaos and anarchy. I think these
j.B, I don’t think you can classify cultures as “good” or “bad”, or even as better or
same people also enjoy the wishful thinking that our enemies are really our friends. Question:
worse.
If you people who hate Nationalism do get everything you want politically, do you think the
chaos will make you happy?
Cultures aren’t set in stone. They are like breathing, living things. They change. Like
people,
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neighbors. Readtheir flaws,Wall
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like people, all they have to do to start
autocorrecting is acknowledging their flaws.
Ciao.
You mention burkas. Yeah, I do agree with you that the Middle East currently has a bad
streak of sexism, as well as authoritarism, extremism and such.
But we must not overlook the fact that there’s a large number of Muslims who are
opposed to thas as well, and frequently even more than we are.
December 6, 2014
And a curiosity about burkas: many Muslim women actually choose to wear them out of
their own free will. They are patriots and, since they consider the burka to be a symbol
JK
of their culture, wear it proudly. There has been an event where a government proposal
j.B, I don’t
against thinkinyou
burkas can classify
England (I think)cultures as “good”
was actually or “bad”,
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from better or
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people, they can work to correct their flaws, and, like people, all they have to do to start
autocorrecting is acknowledging their flaws.

You mention burkas. Yeah, I do agree with you that the Middle East currently has a bad
streak of sexism, as well as authoritarism, extremism and such.
But we must not overlook the fact that there’s a large number of Muslims who are
autobiography provides insight into lots of aspects of Islam, but most importantly, it
shows how the FUNDAMENTALISTS that are currently in power DO NOT exactly have
lots of popular support.
They maintain power through FORCE. They’re dictators. And it’s outright ABSURD to
judge a culture by the things its dictators do.

And an important fact is that the fundamentalists weren’t always there. That is to say,
Islamic countries weren’t always like that. Shit happened when RELIGION and
POLITICS got mixed up. They were mixed up in Medieval Europe as well and, surprise,
that time is caled the Dark Ages for a reason.

Sexism and authoritarism are NOT components of Islam. They come from the
INTERPRETATION of Islam done by the fundamentalists, not from Islam itself.

autobiography provides
And I have to remind you:insight intoown
our very lots WESTERN
of aspects CULTURE
of Islam, but hasmost importantly,
corrected itself it
shows how
through the the FUNDAMENTALISTS
ages. A few examples follow. that are currently in power DO NOT exactly have
lots of popular support.
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power a thousand
FORCE. years ago the
They’re Church conducted
dictators. the Incquisition
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te Crusades. One was a hunt for the
judge a culture by the things its dictators do.healers, women that had “too much knowledge”.
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that time
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on their lives and were sold into marriage for dowry and/or political alliances.
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And I have to remind you: our very own WESTERN CULTURE has corrected itself
Please remember that a few DECADES ago the US was’t unlike the African Apartheid in
through the ages. A few examples follow.
its treatment of people of color, and women weren’t allowed to vote or work.
Please
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remember thethatKKK and Hitler,
a thousand who
years agoused
the Christianism
Church conducted to rationalize their actions.
the Incquisition and
te Crusades. One was a hunt for the healers, women that had “too much knowledge”.
Do all these things mean our culture is bad? OF COURSE NOT. Every culture has
The other was a series of unwarranted attacks on the East and there was even a
critical flaws, and these can ALWAYS be corrected. And it may seem to you like our
“Children’s Crusade” where thousands of kids were sent to die. Both of these atrocities
culture is “way ahead” of the Middle East because these issues are things of the past
were commited in the name of Christ, but based on what little I know of the man, this
now, but that’s only because they’re being oppressed by theocratic dictators.
seems like the kind of stuff he would condemn with all His might.
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it was 15 year old girls being sold do adult men and they
human and more breeding machines, necessary ONLY for their capacity to produce
male
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Please remember that a few DECADES ago the US was’t unlike the African Apartheid in
its treatment of people of color, and women weren’t allowed to vote or work.
JK
Please remember the KKK and Hitler, who used Christianism to rationalize their actions.
December 6, 2014
Do all these things mean our culture is bad? OF COURSE NOT. Every culture has
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now, but that’s only because they’re being oppressed by theocratic dictators.

Please don’t judge a culture by its flaws before knowing more about it. I know it may
seem to us like all Muslims are like that, but it really isn’t so, not even close. The
fundamentalists hurt their own people even more than they hurt us.
 “fences make good neighbors”, not just presenting it. He asks himself “why is that?”
many times, and by the end it just seems like he goes “oh well, I can’t find an answer
for it, but heck, it’s just the way it is, right?” It seems to me that he’s not quite stating
that that is HIS chosen answer to the question, but just questioning how people just go
with it and never even bother to stop and think WHY, just like his neighbor. You know,
sometimes when poets write “I”, they’re not really talking about themselves. This is one
of the many quirks that make poetry beautiful.

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mustafa
August 26, 2014

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August 26, 2014

AJ Wahl
November 10, 2014
mustafa
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LESS PATRIOTISM &MORE NATIONALISM ,,THE WHOLE MATTER HAS SOMETHING TO
DO WITH THE IDEOLOGIES ,,,A PERFECT ,SOUND IDEOLOGY THAT IS IN HARMONY
WITH THE HUMAN NATURE MEANS RISE&FLOURISHMENT IN PATRITISM ,THE REVERSE
JK
LEADS TO THE EMERGENCE OF NATIONALISM ,,,,NATIONALISM IS NOT NEEDED ,,WHAT
December 6, 2014
IS NEEDED FOR ANY NATION IS PATRITISM
Right? It seems to me like most of the people that disagree here are really patriots who
think they’re nationalists.

November
Reply 10, 2014

AJ Wahl
dhanmoni
I like this article, contrary to all y’all.
December 9, 2014

What is d difference between home and house?

December 6, 2014
Reply

JK
Right? It seems to me like most of the people that disagree here are really patriots who
think they’re nationalists.
trae
September 1, 2015

yes, it’s a little simplistic. and it basically describes ethnic-nationalism, not other kinds, but it
is a good summary of nationalism vs. patriotism. the only people who hate this article are
nationalists (in fact many have said so right here) who are probably too far gone in their
inferiority complexes and hatred to admit any truth in the article.

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STUDBOY
September 26, 2017

September 1, 2015
Trae,

trae
Trae gets it…All the Nationalists with Napoleon complexes and small d** are the ones
who
yes, it’soppose this article.and
a little simplistic. In other wordsdescribes
it basically all the Trump supporters. Nationalists
ethnic-nationalism, not otherto the but it
kinds,
end. Ignorant, (mostly white males) angry, gun toting, belly aching, uneducated
is a good summary of nationalism vs. patriotism. the only people who hate this article are
blowhards(injust
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many have saidThey still want
so right here) us
who to are
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like we did
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thegone
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in their
they can degrade their wives and all women for that
inferiority complexes and hatred to admit any truth in the article. matter with no recourse, have
slaves, where white sheets over their ugly mugs, and chant USA, USA, USA all while
feeling inferior on the inside. Blasphemous behavior if you ask the rest of us PATRIOTIC
Americans.
September 26, 2017
Reply
STUDBOY
Adam
Trae,
January 11, 2016
Trae gets it…All the Nationalists with Napoleon complexes and small d** are the ones
Hannah
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feeling inferior on the inside. Blasphemous behavior if you ask the rest of us PATRIOTIC
Americans.

Absolum
January 26, 2016

January 11, 2016

even though i love Orwell, i have to disagree with him on this because sometimes civil
society maintains a facade of peace under an oppressive rule. it’s stagnation and not peace.
Adam
nationalism isn’t about a sense of superiority…i’m not sure how developed countries live it
Hannah
out but in, what if God is a country
my developing ‘her’ notnationalism
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a necessity.
If this ‘god’ does love us, he/she has a very funny way of showing it.

January 26, 2016

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Adam
January 29, 2016

You raise a good point. My parents worked in Ghana just after its independence. An
optimistic mood of Ghanian natonalismm helped forge different tribes together the build
one of Africas most successful nations. South African nationalism galvinised the
country in a post aparthide indentity.

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Mr B J Man
October 25, 2018

January 29, 2016

No need to disagree with Orwell.

Adamthe essay.
Read
You raise a good point. My parents worked in Ghana just after its independence. An
He borrows the word Nationalism for a concept for which no word exists.
optimistic mood of Ghanian natonalismm helped forge different tribes together the build
one of Africas most successful nations. South African nationalism galvinised the
He isn’t defining, or even redefining, nationalism.
country in a post aparthide indentity.
But using it as shorthand for another concept he takes a long essay to explain.

Oh, and “his” “nationalism” today would apply to “Democrats”, “liberals”, Western
“intellectuals”
October 25, 2018and academics, and the like!

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Mr B J Man
No need to disagree with Orwell.
TS Aquinas
Read the essay.
February 15, 2016

He borrows the word Nationalism for a concept for which no word exists.
“nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects”
He isn’t defining, or even redefining, nationalism.
And your contention is, what? You deny that the US is superior to a third world toilet? If so,
what
Butare yourit reasons?
using Amazingly
as shorthand we are
for another taughthe
concept thetakes
superiority
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to explain.
horse and many other aspects of nature but when it comes to man the Marxist ceases the
scientific
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“his” “nationalism” of what
today is greater
would apply toand lesser and fly’s
“Democrats”, a banner
“liberals”, of blind
Western
equality. If we did not acknowledge the pedigree
“intellectuals” and academics, and the like! of our species then would nature progress
us to new evolutionary heights? Without pedigree, what sense is there in words such as
“progress” or “evolution”? These words are preceded by concepts that are built upon the
truth that something can be greater or lesser. So cut the crap, a nation of people can be
greater or
February 15,lesser
2016 than another.

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TS Aquinas
“nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects”

And your contention is, what? You deny that the US is superior to a third world toilet? If so,
what are your reasons? Amazingly we are taught the superiority of the pedigree of a dog or
horse and many other aspects of nature but when it comes to man the Marxist ceases the
scientific method of observation of what is greater and lesser and fly’s a banner of blind
 Anon
April 6, 2016

“And your contention is, what?”

I obviously can’t speak for the authour here, but my contention is that it is an idiotically
complacent attitude to have towards one’s country! For you to feel this “pride”, it
require that people before you had to put in a tremendous amount of work to make the
US the way it is today.

What if instead it was the US that was a third world shit hole?
Are you still going to be full of pride, refusing to see the flaws and issues that need
fixing?
April 6, 2016
Nationalism CAN be static and complacent. It CAN be a position of arrogance hindering
people from improving themselves, unless self improvement is hard wired straight into
Anon
the ethos of the nation, like in Japan for example(at least from the looks of it).
“And your contention
Even then, I would sayis,it’s
what?”
not good enough.

I obviously
What if youcan’t
happen speak for the authour
to migrate here,
to another but my contention is that it is an idiotically
country?
complacent
Are attitude
you suddenly to have
going to acttowards one’sball
like a slime country! For you
on account ofto
nofeel this living
longer “pride”, it
in the
require that people before
country you were born to? you had to put in a tremendous amount of work to make the
USare
Or theyou
waygoing
it is today.
to be someone who will still look to care and be protective of the
country you’ve migrated to?
What
I wouldif instead
assumeitit’s
wasthethe US that was a third world shit hole?
later.
Are you still going to be full of pride, refusing to see the flaws and issues that need
fixing?
Reply

Nationalism CAN be static and complacent. It CAN be a position of arrogance hindering

William
peopleLaureta
from improving themselves, unless self improvement is hard wired straight into
the
April 24,ethos
2016 of the nation, like in Japan for example(at least from the looks of it).
Even then, I would say it’s not good enough.
Don’t mistake Nationalism for fascism. The only reason why nationalism is labelled as such
What if you
is because happen
fascists usetothe
migrate to another country?
term nationalism to describe their hateful intentions. Though it is
Are
true youthey
that suddenly going tonationalism,
are practicing act like a slime
theyball
areon accountitofextremely
practicing no longerand
living in the
in an unhealthy
country
manner. you were
Going back,born to?
nationalism is more on loving and preserving your own culture. Take for
Or are you
example. going
a dying to be in
culture someone
a certainwho will because
region still look of
to modernization.
care and be protective of the
This is not to imply
country
that you hateyou’ve migrated to?
modernization, but rather, you want to preserve their culture by letting other
I would
people assume
know, evenit’s the later.
if they are modernized already.

Reply

April 24, 2016

Winston Stalin
May 13, 2016
William Laureta
Recently
Don’t mistake
non-Scots
Nationalism
who classed
for fascism.
as ‘nationalists’
The only reason
and even
why‘Nazis’
nationalism
the Scots
is labelled
who voted
as such
is because
‘Yes’ duringfascists
Scotland’s
use failed
the term
latest
nationalism
attempt totogain
describe
independence
their hateful
willintentions.
have chosen Though
to ignore
it is
true Brexit
that that they
shows
are practicing
that they are
nationalism,
no differentthey
from
aresaid
practicing
Scots. it extremely and in an unhealthy
manner. Going back, nationalism is more on loving and preserving your own culture. Take for
example. a dying culture in a certain region because of modernization. This is not to imply
that you hate modernization, but rather, you want to preserve their culture by letting other
people know, even if they are modernized already.
Give a man enough rope and he’ll hang himself.
Let him talk for long enough and his tongue will replace the rope.

Reply

8d
May 17, 2016

There were really only two sides to that referendum: Scottish nationalists/separatists vs
British nationalists/loyalists.

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Give a man enough rope and he’ll hang himself.

Ajiesh Thuvaoor Kayi
Let him talk for long enough and his tongue will replace the rope.
November 21, 2016

Overall good Analysis -but dont agree with the Summary Part –
Patriot can fight for independence as it happend in India – The Nationalist’s stayed away
May 17, 2016
from the Independence movement while the Patriots like Gandhi fought for freedom –

8d
Reply
There were really only two sides to that referendum: Scottish nationalists/separatists vs
British nationalists/loyalists.
Jon
December 2, 2016

“Indian nationalism refers to the many underlying forces that defined the principles of
November 21, 2016
the Indian independence movement, and strongly continue to influence the politics of
India” from the page “Indian nationalism” on Wiki. If you’re a nationalist towards India
Ajiesh
it’d beThuvaoor Kayi to support British occupation, that would make you a loyalist.
self-contradictory
Overall
A nationalist
good Analysis
response-but
is dont
moreagree
alongwith
the lines
the Summary
of what Gandhi
Part – or Infantry Regiment 950
Patriot
did. can fight for independence as it happend in India – The Nationalist’s stayed away
from the Independence movement while the Patriots like Gandhi fought for freedom –
Reply

Mark
December 2, 2016
August 27, 2017

whoJon wrote this article defining a patriot as someone who expresses love toward his country
in a
“Indian
passive nationalism
way: refers to the many underlying forces that defined the principles of
the Indian independence movement, and strongly continue to influence the politics of
TellIndia”
that to Paul
from Revere
the and thenationalism”
page “Indian millions of Americans
on Wiki. Ifwho died
you’re for this country
a nationalist considering
towards India it
theit’d
greatest country on Earth.
be self-contradictory to support British occupation, that would make you a loyalist.
A nationalist response is more along the lines of what Gandhi or Infantry Regiment 950
I’mdid.
a patriot and I love this country… that makes me a nationalist. I also happen to be white
so that makes me a white nationalist… OMG!

August 27, 2017

Mark
who wrote this article defining a patriot as someone who expresses love toward his country
Leftist commucrats and globalists (like the writer of this article) are trying to make
nationalism a pejorative… a dirty word. They’re trying to subtly replace the term “white
supremacy” with “white nationalism.”

Reply

Hairyetta
October 19, 2017

Going on this article, I am a patriot and not a nationalist because I seek to better our
nation by addressing and correcting its flaws and to progress to a more just and equal
nation rather than blindly supporting it without questioning it.

Reply
Leftist commucrats and globalists (like the writer of this article) are trying to make
nationalism a pejorative… a dirty word. They’re trying to subtly replace the term “white
supremacy” with “white nationalism.”
Mark
October 19, 2017

Remind me to never get stuck in a foxhole with you, Mr. Question Man
October 19, 2017
Commucrat. Nationalists don’t blindly support anything, but if you don’t have a
country what DO you have, genius? What you should question instead of your
Hairyetta
country is why the hell you’re still living here if you don’t support your country.
Going on this
There’s article, I am
no difference in a patriot
being and not
a patriot anda nationalist because
a nationalist. I seek tosaid.
Like I already better
Theour
nation
leftistbylunatic
addressing and want
globalists correcting its flaws
to make andword
it a dirty to progress to ainmore
to believe just andGet
nationalism. equal
nation rather thanpal.
an education, blindly supporting it without questioning it.

Reply

October 19, 2017

Realist
November 30, 2017
Mark
This article
Remindis me full to
of never
gross get
generalizations.
stuck in a foxhole I did however
with you,like Mr.the
Question
first definition
Man provided for
Patriotism
Commucrat.
and Nationalism.
Nationalists I’lldon’t
focusblindly
my commentsupportonanything,
Nationalism
but if for
younow,
don’tashave
it appears
a to
be thecountry
most controversial.
what DO you have, First, what
genius?defines
Whata you
nation
should
is contested.
question Thus,
insteadtheofsame
your issue
applies
country
to a greater
is why thedegree
hell for
you’re
nationalism.
still livingNationalism
here if you don’t
can besupport
Rightwing,
your country.
Leftwing, centrist,
traditionalist,
There’s no and
difference
perhaps in in being
many amore patriotforms.
and Let
a nationalist.
us take the Like
Fascist
I already
Nationalism
said. Theof Benito
Mussolini
leftistas
lunatic
a case globalists
study. Inwantthis context
to makeNationalism
it a dirty wordis defined
to believe
by inviolence
nationalism.
and imperialism.
Get
Let usantake
education,
the Nationalism
pal. of India for a contrast. Indian nationalism of the 30s-40s aimed
to liberate India. Nehru’s Indian nationalism was statist, Gandhi’s was rural/village centric,
Savarkar was culture centered, Sardar Patel’s was tradition centered, and so on. In fact
Nationalism is a normal part of discourse in India. There is moderate, extreme, and other
forms of nationalism
November 30, 2017 in India. Even many communists in India profess nationalism (some as
deceit for votes and support while others, rarely, genuinely are nationalistic). Nelson Mandela
was a Nationalist who opposed apartheid. Hitler was a Nazi nationalist who used it to
Realist
promote
This articleracism
is fulland genocide.
of gross There was Bismark,
generalizations. who like
I did however through realism,
the first sought
definition to establish
provided for
a German state, which is an example of nationalism. It is a shame
Patriotism and Nationalism. I’ll focus my comment on Nationalism for now, as it appears tothat many on this
be the most controversial. First, what defines a nation is contested. Thus, the same issue
applies to a greater degree for nationalism. Nationalism can be Rightwing, Leftwing, centrist,
traditionalist, and perhaps in many more forms. Let us take the Fascist Nationalism of Benito
Mussolini as a case study. In this context Nationalism is defined by violence and imperialism.
Let us take the Nationalism of India for a contrast. Indian nationalism of the 30s-40s aimed
comment section have become militant in their support and opposition to this very broad
and undefined category. Nationalism isn’t like Capitalism, Marxism, Islam, Christianity, etc. It
is a word with fluid meaning. It is diverse and undefined. It grows shrinks and so on.

Reply

Holy shart
October 31, 2018

My po*p smells help, i think it may be because I’m a nationalist what should i do

Reply

comment section have become militant in their support and opposition to this very broad
Rose Marie Doyle
and undefined category. Nationalism isn’t like Capitalism, Marxism, Islam, Christianity, etc. It
November 11, 2018
is a word with fluid meaning. It is diverse and undefined. It grows shrinks and so on.
Your definitions and distinctions were helpful, but I object to your calling patriotism passive.
Patriotism – love of the fatherland – inspires actions that benefit the nation and its
inhabitants.
October 31, 2018
Love is to patriotism as Pride is to nationalism.
Holy shart
Reply
My po*p smells help, i think it may be because I’m a nationalist what should i do

Mike Goldston
November 12, 2018
November 11, 2018
Clarification
Rose Marie Doyle
Reply
Your definitions and distinctions were helpful, but I object to your calling patriotism passive.
Patriotism – love of the fatherland – inspires actions that benefit the nation and its
inhabitants.
Daniel Karlsson
March 23, 2019
Love is to patriotism as Pride is to nationalism.
This is totally wrong. There is nothing in nationalism that implies the notion that once own
nation/people would be superior to any other nation. I would say that that notion rather is
linked to patriotism, as patriotism is artificial.
November 12, 2018
Nationalism is based on the notion that kinship gives affinity, a notion everyone know is true.
Mike Goldston
Patriotism is based on the notion that a set of beliefs could replace kinship bonds,
something
Clarificationthat is practically impossible to do. Where nationalism and an nation state (e.g.
the old Sweden) can lead to a harmonic society that don’t feel the need to overcome internal
strifes by waging wars on other countries, a patriotic country often does not.

A patriotic
March country on the other hand can consist of several different peoples that tries to
23, 2019
overcome their cultural differences and different background through a artificial set of beliefs
Daniel Karlsson
This is totally wrong. There is nothing in nationalism that implies the notion that once own
nation/people would be superior to any other nation. I would say that that notion rather is
linked to patriotism, as patriotism is artificial.
 that everyone is supposed to abide too. The US is a perfect example of a patriotic country
that has waged war on country after country to cover up the fact that it is an artificial country
with grave internal contradictions between people that are not related to each other, doesn’t
share a cultural background etc.

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