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PSV load calculation for gas expantion fire case

Damoon Nasseri Top Contributors in this Group
Lead Process Engineer at Foster Wheeler Energy Ltd

I have an existing Instrument air dryer with a PSV installed to protect

against fire expansion.
This is an existing facility and I am validating the original design, which
is done 20 years ago. Saeid Rahimi Mofrad
The problem is if I size PSV according to API, the existing PSV is not Senior Specialty Process Engineer at Fluor
sufficient, and I was wondering if I can take credit (positive or negative)
for having desiccant inside the drum and how much, as this is not an See all members 
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Sam Izadpanah
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Since the vessel is dry and there is no wetted surface, you need to be concerned with gas
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Sam expansion PLUS water vapour coming off the desiccant. You can take positive credit for the Chemical Process Software
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h = free convention heat transfer = 0.59 (Gr Pr)^1/4 if (Gr Pr)< 10^9
h = free convention heat transfer = 0.10 (Gr Pr)^1/3 if (Gr Pr)> 10^9
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Gr and Pr are calculated at the film temperature of (Tw + Tg)/2
Rohit Sharma and
A is the total vessel surface area below 7.4 m (basically cylindrical portion). Tw can be considered Abdul fahim Arangadi
as 593°C. Tg can be assumed as the water boiling temperature at the relief valve set pressure. joined a group:

The relief load will be W = Q / water latent heat at relief valve set pressure

This ignores the vessel content heating up period and MCp DT and simply assumes that all heat
input is used for water vaporization. Chemwork Chemwork
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Ahmad Dont Worry About the size of the PSV. The vessel is full of desicant so there is small free space
for air or gas . Also the water adsorbed by desicant is not too much to make problem in case of
fire.it can be checked by reviewing the data sheet for dryer .
The real vessel volume for PSV sizing in this case is much less than the apparent vesel volume .
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I don't agree with Ahmad that there is no worry about the size of the PSV in this service. As far as
there is a gas inside the system, the gas expansion needs to be considered. And in this
particular case when the gas temperature reaches water boiling temperature, water will vaporize
and over-pressurize the vessel. It is only a bit more complicated as the liquid inside the vessel is Bakken play from Hart...
not in contact with vessel metal similar to fire - wetted case. 11h ago

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In fact, referring to API equation for unwetted vessels under fire, the gas volume has no effect on
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the relief rate. It does not matter if 80% of the system is filled with desiccant or 10%, the fire rate
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The solution I have propoesd is indeed the basis on which the API fire equation for unwetted pump. &... more Refinerlink: How
vessels has been developed. For more information, please refer to the paper titled as "The Basis
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Did you compare the API gas expansion method with the estimated water vaporisation rate as
Paul proposed by Saeid ?
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