Using The Mind Power To Remote Influence

Michael Jura Interview with Gerald O’Donnell:

Remote Viewing Western European Protocols.

Michael Jura: Hi everyone, this is Michael Jura and I am on the line here with Gerald
O’Donnell, and one of the things that we are going to do today is get information from
Gerald regarding Western European protocols of remote viewing. Now just a few weeks
ago, we had Ed Dames on the line and he kind of blew us away with some of the stuff
that he shared. Today we thought we’d get experience and insights from a remote view
from a completely different part of the planet, this time a non‐American remote viewer.
So Gerald, it’s a pleasure to have you online, could you do us a favor and tell us a little
bit about your background and how you got involved with remote viewing?

Gerald: Okay, I got involved in remote viewing in the beginning of the 1980s until close
to the late years of the 1980s, I was part of a joint operation in Western Europe
between western Europe intelligence services and law enforcement agencies. It was
done in a some how different way in the US because there was no academic background
nor feed back given at that point. And some of those operations, or some of those
services are still operating using these protocols so I cannot reveal all that has been
done, and all that is being done now.

Michael Jura: I understand, I fully understand. But out of curiosity Gerald, is remote
viewing still being actively used by many western European governments?

Gerald: Yes, of course.

Michael Jura: Can you give us an example of what they would be using it for now, given
that the cold war is effectively over?

Gerald: Well, maybe the Cold war is over but many more wars are happening all over
the planet, so they would be using it for exactly the same purpose that they were using
it before, which is really trying to investigate other locations or situations or people that
cannot be investigated in a different way, a lot of the times during remote influencing,
those situations and individuals. It’s a tool.

Michael Jura: I see, and I am curious if this is as widely accepted in Europe and publicly
made acceptable in Europe as it is in the US, I mean just to give you an example, in the
US the Marin county police department has openly shared that they use psychics to help
them solve cases, and even President Jimmy Carter in 1995 disclosed the contents of
part of the Stargate program. Are western European governments as willing to admit
that they are funding such research?

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Gerald: At some level yes, it is not officially published everywhere, it’s not being
declassified as it’s been here, so there is less publication about it. The eastern
Europeans are publishing a lot of research papers and pretty open about this situation.
There is most going on in Eastern Europe than there is in Western Europe as a whole.

Michael Jura: I see. Would you be able to share with us maybe if this is not private and
confidential, maybe one or two success stories that you or people you know have had
doing remote viewing for western European government or police or investigative
agencies?

Gerald: I cannot do this, but I can tell you that there was a really, these operations really
were already operating in the second World War‐ after the second World War, every
single intelligence department that I know of in Europe was using what you call here,
psychics.

Michael Jura: That is fascinating, that’s a very, very very interesting statement. Now
Gerald there was one thing I really liked about you when I read your profile, you seemed
to have a lot of interest in remote influencing as well as remote viewing. For the benefit
of our listeners, could you explain what you mean by remote influencing?

Gerald: Okay, the term remote influencing is something that we introduced when we
wrote this website in 1996. So it’s been used, and everybody is using it in different ways
but what we meant by remote influencing is the ability to influence consensual reality
and thought from within yourself. In other words, you have levels within yourself that
allow you to communicate with the rest of the universe but they only exist within each
and every individual at that level of course. That is a sort of remote viewing by the way –
the secret of remote viewing.

Michael Jura: So my question then is this, I have read about governments funding
remote viewing research and using remote viewing to obtain information on targets,
they were interested in. But are governments using remote influencing in anyway?

Gerald: All I can tell you is it is something that I would witnessed myself okay, I was, in
the beginning in the year of 2000 invited to perform on a TV show in California. I won’t
mention the show at this point and Uri Geller was there and when he addressed the
audience; you know Uri Geller?

Michael Jura: Yes, yes I do.

Gerald: As he addressed the audience, he quoted, I don’t know if this showed up on the
final episode or was broadcast on television but he quoted, he said that he been hired
by US intelligence to do some RI – and I am just mentioning this now, do to some RI
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negotiations with the Russians in order to bring a more favorable outcome, which was
really in the end of the Cold war. So yes it’s being used, yes.

Michael Jura: That is very, very fascinating.

Gerald: I am not going to mention anything about us, but I tell that it’s being used.

Michael Jura: Not a problem. Now, I am curious –last year in the US there was a very
famous documentary that was released called The Secret. Have you heard of the Secret?

Gerald: Of course.

Michael Jura: So I was wondering, in the Secret, they talk about how your thoughts
determine your reality and they go on to say that using your thoughts, you can
determine what reality your life moves into. I was wondering, is this essentially remote
influencing?

Gerald: Absolutely. We teach in our course, but we do not teach it only as a body of
knowledge –we make everyone experience this reality is that everything and I mean
literally everything –is an epiphenomenon of thought. There is higher though, high
intelligence; that high intelligence will then manifest at our level at what we perceive as
being reality and that includes matter, and that high intelligence would allow that body
of matter or biology if you want, at our level to give us a restricted intelligence which is
the human intelligence but it’s all connected because it’s all thought, so therefore the
human intelligence can –by definition and by rule influence totality of reality.

Michael Jura: Interesting.

Gerald: So your thoughts are really part of matter which is part of the higher
intelligence. It’s all mind, it’s only mind and reality.

Michael Jura: Very interesting. Now does this therefore mean that you can influence
something by remote viewing it? Like can you influence the information you’re receiving
by remote viewing that information?

Gerald: Yes, now I am revealing you something which I barely touch on our website and
this is a very extensive website with a lot of explanations, and yes you definitely can
influence what you remote view and basically you will remote view what you want to
some level. It is all about a consensual reality. When American researchers such as
Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff were doing their studies, doing their remote viewing
studies here, they needed to always send a beacon, a human being that would then go
and look at the target visually and bring back that feed back to the remote viewer and
the team that was doing the remote viewing. They realized it was necessary to have a
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consensual reality. In other words, it is the consensual reality of many individuals who
believe in the certain situation that allow for that situation to some how visualize and
create it.

Michael Jura: I see.

Gerald: In other words, if you have people in front of you or around you that you accept
in your consensual reality, you have great doubts about your abilities; you do not get
the positive feed back of what you have done or what you have seen. You most
probably will not be successful because your attitude toward consensual reality where
the individuals that are around you are co‐creating their thoughts, influencing the final
result.

Michael Jura; that’s very very very interesting. Does this thing mean that if you are
trying to manifest a certain outcome, it works better if you have more than one person
focusing on manifesting that same outcome?

Gerald: It doesn’t have to be only that you manifest, you need the feedback, and that
person has to be engaged in your life and acknowledged the fact that this has
happened, but it doesn’t mean that you cannot do it on your own. It depends if it’s
going to be shared reality, it’s going to be more powerful if it’s a shared reality than if
it’s just your own reality, but you need that feedback. In other words, when you do in
Silva, for instance you do the three finger techniques, you are looking for a parking spot
you are in your own universe, I did Silva in the beginning of the 70s, and I remember
many students coming all excited and showing up at the class and saying how incredible
it was that just by thinking that they will find a parking spot in the location where there
was never a place, they would find this parking spot. What was at play at that point is
they were getting their own feed back and the more they were getting their own feed
back the more they believed that they were able to influence their reality and the more
they were able to influence their reality because of that belief system, it’s only a belief
system, the more they were given that capability which they had because that very
deep level of their mind above the programmable part, is going to project that because
they believe, they have started to believe. Do you understand?

Michael Jura: Jose Silva for example, he says don’t jump the gun, start with a small goal,
make that successful and then you can go to bigger and bigger things. And every time
you accomplish something small, your belief system strengthens and you can do
something bigger and bigger, and bigger. Is this what you mean by feedback?

Gerald: Yes, its has to be a positive feed back because any negative feed back is going to
create doubt in your own mind and therefore you will lose that ability. So as long as you
keep on having positive feed backs and you are surrounded by people who believe in
that particular situation that you are trying to project then you will increase your ability
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to create your own universe, because everybody is really creating their own universes.
We all walk around like in a bubble of reality.

Michael Jura: Are you serious? I mean that’s a‐

Gerald: I am dead serious. That may be very controversial but that’s based on our own
facts and on physics we walk in our bubble of reality, there really is no time nor space,
there are interactions of realities in a perception of time and in a perception of space.

Michael Jura; I am just trying to understand this, so does this mean for example, okay
let’s say there are two friends, Bill and Bob… and both friends are competing at bowling,
does this mean that in one reality Bill could have won, and in Bob’s reality Bob could
have won, but these realities are perceived relative to both friends?

Gerald: Yes, okay; now we would have to enter another level, which is part of quantum
physics, which is a level or parallel universes. We all exist in multiple universes, all of us.
But we only carry in or perception one universe, meaning that you are the center of
your universe only in one universe –in the other universes you show up in some other
peoples universes.

Michael Jura: That is incredible. Okay, and I want to ask another question because I
really want to understand this because this is one of the most interesting, powerful but
yet hard to digest ideas I have heard in a while. So this means that you Gerald, exist in
multiple universes, you have your own universe right now as I am talking to you; you are
simply making a guest appearance in my universe?

Gerald: That’s correct we are sharing a reality now.

Michael Jura: Wow, does the same thing apply to husband and wife, mother and child?
Are they all existing in their own individual universes yet making guest appearances in
each other’s universe?

Gerald: Yes, the same is happening to, when the interaction is direct, like it is now
between me and you Iet’s say, I am most probably interacting with a high level yourself
which is your universe as close as possible to your center of universe. You follow?

Michael Jura: Right.

Gerald: Now we both have intentions –when two universes interact so to speak, they
both have intentions, one universe might one want to make a left turn and another
universe might want to make a right turn right? The differentiation between the power
of one universe to influence the other more than the other would influence this one is in
the level of connection within that universe to a high power if you want, a higher
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intelligence or a higher light which is done by going deeper in your mind and quieting
your brain, because your brain is like a filtering process, it is like a colander –it reduces a
gigantic intelligence which encompasses everything to a perception of individuality. It’s
only a perception, you follow? And the deeper you go in your mind, the more you relax
your brain, the more you are in contact with what you would call the super conscious, if
you want, or the higher intelligence. The more your desire and that higher intelligence
blends so that what you want will be then projected to you and then to the other
universes that you are closely interacting with, and then, therefore your desires will be
manifested.

Michael Jura: Got it, got it, so this explains why for example, let’s say someone has
malicious intent, okay –and this multiple universe theory was true, this explains why
they could not choose to say, enslave the rest of the world population in their universe?

Gerald: No, they cannot, they can in their universe think they are enslaving the rest of
the world, but they are in reality all they are doing is doing it in their own universe. Now
he, that is enslaving others in his universe, since all universes are connected, is affecting
other universes and the mind set of the other universes, he might be putting fear in the
mind. How many times have you woken up feeling fear, not knowing why you feel it?

Michael Jura: Yes! I see what you mean, I see what you mean. Okay, so I want to ask
this, a member of our list sent this question in. “Can I use remote viewing to win the
lottery?” Now, I want you explain this based on your multiple universe concept.

Gerald: Yeah, we just had someone on our set that did have this particular success as a
matter of fact, this has happened to other students also, this was a great success. Let
me explain to you the secret of winning the lottery within the multi universes. The
multi‐universe…it’s united. Okay? In the case of the lottery, you are really dealing with
what is perceived to be a random generated operation, which does not exist –nothing is
really random, no random numbers –nothing is random. So the secret is not to remote
view as much as you would think those numbers, it’s to believe in your ability to create.
Now, whether you believe in your ability to create though the illusion of seeing in
advance a certain number, or you believe in your ability to create in the reality of
influencing that event, which you can see therefore, if you have a strong enough ability
and belief in your universe of being able to create that particular random, so‐called
‘random’ generated operation, it’s going to go your way.

Michael Jura: Interesting. So just to explain, you are not remote viewing the outcome,
you are remote influencing the outcome?

Gerald: Yes, you are remote viewing what you really are remote influencing.

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Michael Jura: Okay, this is fascinating, Gerald, because this is counter to say what
people learn in many other programs such as the Silva method program. In the Silva
method program for example when some asked this question I remember an answer
the answer was no, you cannot win the lottery because if you are trying to influence
that lottery outcome, you have to remember that there may be thousands of other
people also trying to influence that lottery outcome, and so your degree of influence is
somewhat diluted. So because multiple people are aiming for that same goal, it’s harder
to influence the outcome. Now is that, do you agree with that, or do you think that if we
all exist in our own little universes, yes in fact multiple people can win the lottery?

Gerald: Yeah, I have to admit that I don’t totally agree with it, no. I do not agree with it
because, it’s reality. The power of your belief in your abilities to influence your reality
which will gift you basically, that reality. The truth is we are all part of the same being,
its like saying my right hand is going to rise higher than my left hand. The right hand
having a certain degree of co‐creativity has decided that it wants to go higher than the
left hand, or one finger wants to go higher than the other one. In this case, there are
many many hands and many many fingers and they are duplicated in many realities. So
what I am trying to say is that, it’s still one being, there is no harm done, in some other
reality where someone else is experiencing a different set of circumstances and
universes where you might show up or not, in a perception of time, thinking that you
are in a certain era, or in a certain location, that person is thinking he is in a certain era
or in a certain location. That person might be winning the lottery and he might be in
perception during the same week as you are, and in the same location.

Michael Jura: Interesting, so‐

Gerald: You would never know it though, there is no way for you to know it, and you
know who would know it? Your higher self. Your higher self experiences multiple
realities at the same time. And there are higher selves to your higher self that
experience even more; and it goes on until you get to a one, that just the one that
experiences everything,‐‐

Michael Jura: Wow, I mean that is powerful stuff. So what you are saying Gerald is that
it is indeed possible to win the lottery within your universe?

Gerald: Absolutely

Michael Jura: And multiple people within their universe‐bubbles can win the same
lottery.

Gerald: Yes and that’s what we teach; we teach you basically to quiet down your linear‐
thinking critical mind, which is what we have been gifted here. We need that critical
mind to decide what to do, what not do based on the information we collect. But, as we
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teach you to quiet down your linear mind of thinking to alpha, theta and the delta, we
teach people how to operate in what is usually known as a state of sleep –of
unconsciousness, delta and be totally aware. And when they get to that state, if they
have decided from before that they want to manifest a certainly reality or remote view
a certain reality (which is basically the same thing), they will remote view it, they
manifest it , basically they will remote view in advance what they will then experience in
the present and in the future.

Michael Jura: Wow, wow. So does this mean then, that remote viewing predictions are
inherently wrong? Okay, for example, I have spoken to some remote viewers who have
talked about certain events occurring in 2010, 2011, does this mean that these events
are inherently wrong because they are going to happen to the remote viewer in their
own reality, but I won’t have to worry about them in my reality?

Gerald: No, you don’t. No…you know, I am going to go into deep waters here; many
people experience in their reality certain phenomena, such as ET is an example, or a
certain situations where they were truthfully and totally believed that they have
experienced whatever reality they think they have experienced and they have, do you
understand? Through their belief and through their choices, this is their universe. You
might decide to engage in their universes for a little while; you might decide not to
engage at all, you might decide to engage for a much longer time, and then you will
experience a consensual reality with their universes, and the same experiences will be
yours.

Michael Jura: Interesting. So this leads me to a question, are history books different in
different universes?

Gerald: Of course. It would have to be! You know who is writing it? The one mind
writing it through all of us, and it keeps on changing and being altered as we go, you
know. When you look at history or what we consider to be archeological finding, there
are always points of singularity always –that do not connect. Mysteries that cannot be
resolved. Always. It’s just a little blink if you want, from the creator who is telling us, you
know guys it’s not as linear as you think it is, and there was really never a beginning and
will never really be an end. There may be and end for your universe but it doesn’t mean
there is going to be an end for the universe for sure or not.

Michael Jura: Wow, fascinating. Has this got anything to do with the déjà vu experience?

Gerald: Yeah, Good question.

Michael Jura: How would you explain déjà vu?

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Gerald: There are different types of Déjà vu, like you say, it’s a future memory, your
higher self is experiencing situations on different levels, and it somehow knows in
advance because it’s going to be part of the projection apparatus of your reality, what
you most likely will experience on that day or two days or a week from now, it already
knows it, at least an hour from now, yes. You follow? It’s doing a projection of your
movie, you are inside a movie and it’s doing that projection for you. So, you as a lower
self don’t know it, since you sometimes are connected to the higher self more than
usual at some point, you somehow get this perception that you already lived that
situation, now, you have not necessarily lived it; it’s possible that you lived it in a
different experience, a different universe; or what else could have happened is that you
just got this blink or memory of what you think is now your present, but before that,
was only a future event that you are experiencing now in the present.

Michael Jura: Wow.

Gerald: You are remembering what you are experiencing now, you are the actor in the
movie –you are experiencing it.

Michael Jura: Interesting, and can you remote view different universes?

Gerald: That’s what we do all the time. We are constantly remote viewing different
universes. That’s why it is important to have the feedback, so it becomes your universe.

Michael Jura: Oh I see!!

Gerald: When a group of scientists get together, and they need to write a paper in their
universes, they have to believe that either the experiment was successful or not. They
realize they didn’t understand why. I am talking about the United States now; they did
not understand why they needed to send a beacon, a human being to the particular
location that would then witness the stretcher that the remote viewer was trying to find
out.

Michael Jura: So you can only remote view something that another intelligence has
already seen?

Gerald: Another part of the one, another intelligent part of the one.

Michael Jura: So what about remote viewers that remote view the dark side of the
moon, or the planet Pluto?

Gerald: Yes, they are remote viewing –you know there is a structure of stories, I mean,
there is a structure to the universe that we call carry otherwise we don’t have the
support for our creativity. If you don’t have a pen and paper and a table when you go to
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school, you have nothing to do. You need a support be able to create. So the stories are
there, and if you want to look at the issue, it will give you whatever stories you want to
look at.


Gerald: It’s already there, it’s part of a structure.

Michael Jura: But I am not sure I follow you, because human beings have not seen the
dark seen the dark side of the moon, nor have they actually been on the planet Pluto. So
I mean there is no‐

Gerald: But there is no one, my friend, there is no more.

Michael Jura: There is no what?

Gerald: (Laughs) Okay, it is no go‐ there is a bit, what they call the idealist in quantum
physics would tell you if you don’t look at the moon, the moon is not there. The others
will tell you –even the quantum physicists will tell you, well, some of them will tell you
that this is going to far, that there is a moon, but we can alter it’s reality, so to speak. It
can appear in a certain way or in a different way, but the reality is that we perceive only
what we perceive correct? Matter is a perception that the brain gives you. If you have
no senses available, you wouldn’t even know matter exists. The one that projects that
material universe within your universe is your super conscious. Follow? Your higher self.
You higher self projects that to you on a constant basis, the information that relates to
your universe and all the other universes is part of the gigantic intelligence that keeps it
in its own mind, and, just projects it to you.

Michael Jura: So is this then like the Schrödinger cat experiment? The cat can exist in
multiple states until an observer sees it?

Gerald: Yes, you got it.

Michael Jura: Interesting!

Gerald: That is the real meaning of it, yes. And the one that keeps it going is the one that
keeps all those cats.

Michael Jura: Powerful stuff. How would you explain reincarnation and past life
memories?

Gerald: You’re really throwing it fast at me tonight eh?

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Michael Jura: (Laughs) Well I mean, I see you are a hypnotherapist and I figured this is
something you probably studied.

Gerald: Right, look everything I tell you right now is to be found not in the outer world,
but is to be found in the inner world …but it will be correlated by your outer world. You
follow? The outer world is going to correlate what you find is really happening in the
inner world. The key to everything is in the inner kingdom, not the outer kingdom.

Michael Jura: Yes, now I understand, now I understand.

Gerald: So if you are asking me about reincarnation, that depends on how you look at
reincarnation. You as an individual, you exist only in this perception of individuality for
the time when you are operating as an individual correct?

Michael Jura: Right.

Gerald: You’re higher self could be right now experiencing, I have no idea, I am just
giving you just any number, three thousand different universes and you are just part of
one, and it’s making decision as to what to project to all these universes and what time
frame to project onto them. Because it is learning through it, you follow? You are
making your own decision at your own level, which is totally different from what the
higher self has to create on your own level as an individual thinking that matter space
and time exist. And its all part of the one mind, so who is really being reincarnated? Is
the higher self reprojecting into a different dream? You can say the higher self is
reincarnating, yes I would say yes. Do you follow me?

Michael Jura: Yes, yes in fact it reminds me of something I read in Neale Donald
Walsch’s excellent book, Conversations with God, where he says that there are no past
lives or future lives, there are concurrent lives. As time is simply an illusion, you are
simply existing in all these different planes, at the same time.

Gerald: Because who are you in reality? You are the higher self experiencing, it’s like a
tentacle, imaging having a million arms going down and touching different realities, as
your realities are being touched you are experiencing them, it’s like being in a multiple
movie theater and having three thousands movies to watch at the same time. And then
you stop a movie, who stays in the movie theater? The spectator. The movie is not the
spectator, as you are watching the movie, you think you are inside that situation, but as
the movie is over, you are still the spectator and then you realize you are watching who
knows how many movies at the same time? And the other arm is being extended but
ultimately who is extending all these arms? The one mind. There is one mind
experiencing a couple of trillions of different stories at the same time.

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Michael Jura: Right. Now that’s powerful stuff. Now like I said, I really want to ask some
tough questions here, and another question I want to ask is, it seems like you are a
person who has really looked at the very nature of reality and mind, and come up with
some really powerful if not radical conclusions, but at the same time I can see a lot of
the stuff you are saying actually reminds me of similar stuff I have heard from other
gurus and philosophers I have studied from Jose Silva, Neale Donald Walsch, to Robert
Monroe. My next question for you is what is your opinion of organized religion?

Gerald: It’s a structure of thought that has given; you mean this creation, the one we
share?

Michael Jura: Well yes, in this particular universe, organized religion –is it something
that is helping us move forward in our roles as creative beings, or it is in anyway
stunting our own development?

Gerald: Okay –you really want me to get into deep waters here. Yeah?

Michael Jura: Yes! I do!

Gerald: (Laughs) you are good at that. Alright, what do I think about organized religion?
There are two movements in creation, for the one mind the desire is to forget that he is
one mind and imagine that he is many creatures, so it’s a movement that goes into a
tendency to want to separate and to restrict. For the creatures, there is the opposite
desire, which we would want to reunite and ascend, back to the origin of the ultimate
reality. So, this particular scenario that is being played out here, is a very separative
scenario, and the notion of spirits is more than anything else taught, studied if you
want, more than in every event we experience. This is by humans; you would be
surprised that animals experience spirit in a different way. They are more aware of
being a spirit, they do not have the ability to create at all; there is no creative ability in
animals and there doesn’t have to be. But man is the only co‐creator here, but at the
same time, man does not have the ability yet to inherently totally perceive that he is a
spirit. His higher self does, but not the projection here.
So at the level of man, there is a need to, if you want, structure or explain, linearlize or
put boundaries on spirits and call it a certain name, certain representation, a system of
faults followed guidelines and have these weird belief that spirit is separated from
matter, or spirit is separate from mind, and that, you know, we need to follow certain
guidelines in order to do the best for spirit when we leave this plane, so to speak.
Because we live in this illusion, yes it allows us to have that little window of perception
saying, there is a creator, there is a god and since they have not been able to witness it,
facing their perception, they have no reason to believe that it does.
But what they don’t understand is that everything they witness, everything, is spirit. The
world is spirit, your mind is spirit, that’s all there is; there is nothing else. Its all light and
spirit, it’s a game of light and shadows, so within the mechanism of social behavior –yes
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it is helpful sometimes to tell people they will be punished, in the afterlife and there is
some how of a karma, but that karma is not what we think.
The Karma is the fact that that higher self that you have is experiencing all theses lives,
and when you come back it remains as a memory, it’s affecting the higher self as an
experiment.

Michael Jura: That is very, very interesting. So I take it just in summary, what you are
saying is that, God or spirit does exist, however the rules of organized religion are really
of a more primitive man explanation for this phenomenon?

Gerald: Yes, but they are primitive and there are co‐creative creation between the lower
self, if you want man, and the higher self as the spirit of god. It’s a co‐creative, in other
words, there is input –there has to be input from the higher mind that brings down a
certain amount of knowledge that is very pure and very deep; and then man starts co‐
creating above it, and then embellishes it and then creates its own system and very
often as a matter of fact in 99% of the case its going to be distorted but that’s known
from the beginning from the inception that man will co‐create and therefore will bring it
down to a human level and distort the pure knowledge.

Michael Jura: Got it, got it.

Gerald: And we often fight in the name of who knows what. As you can see right now,
we are fighting in the name of god, which is the ultimate ridiculous notion, I mean there
is nothing more ridiculous than that.

Michael Jura: I understand, that makes a lot of sense. And just for the benefit of the
people listening in, when I say primitive man came up with religious laws to explain the
phenomenon that Gerald is talking about, we don’t mean primitive in any sort of
negative way, we simply mean primitive as in 2000 years before scientific knowledge
became mainstream. Okay so Gerald, just moving on, I have another question for you:
How would you explain psychic phenomenon …such as say, ghosts?

Gerald: Ghosts?

Michael Jura: Yes, or apparitions?

Gerald: Same thing. If you want to experience ghosts, you will experience ghosts.

Michael Jura: Interesting.

Gerald: Which is time and space, I am sorry go ahead‐

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Michael Jura: Now another question. In my conversation with Ed Dames, Ed is a remote
viewer, Ed made a couple of err… I don’t want to use the word prediction but Ed
mentioned a couple of things he had seen on the time horizon that were coming in our
reality, and lot of them were negative events like global plague, stock market crash, high
solar activities in 2012 that might wipe out the satellite communication system, but Ed
also says that when attempting to predict such events you can never actually be
completely accurate because Ed says that he believes in the power of prayer, and that
humankind through conscious thought, might be able to move their reality away from
these events. What is your take on this?

Gerald: Absolutely. But I am going to give you something which is quite revolutionary,
and a lot of people who have taken our courses have experienced it. It does not have to
be a consensual reality and a hundred monkey theory… it has to be –more importantly,
you’re belief system has to be totally changed and make you believe in your ability to
change your reality. Now, again it’s a co‐creative event between you and the higher
mind. What we call the super conscious, some people might call the sun, S‐U‐N, or the
son, S‐O‐N –that higher mind will not give you that ability if you are still in a very
restrictive separative mode but by connecting by your own desire within, to that higher
mind because that’s what you really want; that’s what you love to do, that’s what where
you focus your mind, you will expand your mind to do the point where you be then
gifted with the ability to change your universe to a gigantic extent so I would say, yes
the probability is quite high that there would be what you would call, ‘negative events’,
but understand that all these events happened for a reason, and the reason is for the
parts of the lower self to slowly desire and ask for that “unification” process, if you
want. It’s like a heart beating –the heart has to expand first and then, at that point,
when he can’t expand any more he starts recontracting and then he beats out again,
now we are at the point where the expansion has gone as far as it can; now we need to
go back to our core.

Michael Jura: Does this mean that…let’s say and individual decides that he does not
want to experience a stock market crash in the next two years, that he can create a
reality around himself where the market is still growing?

Gerald: Yeah. Yeah I am really going to the deep end now. Yeah, he will never know if
it’s consensual or not …yes he can. But if the direction of the general market because of
what we think is ‘cause and effect’, you understand, is that the market most likely needs
to crash, he can maybe postpone the event somehow, but there will still be a down
turn.

Michael Jura: Right, okay, so here’s‐ this is all powerful stuff but I know the audience is
right now, so how do I do this, how do I practice remote viewing or remote influencing
and I am wondering if you can give some advice to us?

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Gerald: Okay, I can only tell you what we teach students. To first of all, let go as much as
they can of fear. Fear will separate; fear will block you. It’s not as easy as just saying let
go of fear and then people will just stop being fearful, so we have techniques that allow
any individual, literally any individual within a couple of sessions, to experience first the
level of deep theta, which is the level right on the border of sleep, where they are much
less subject to their conscious mind and their critical mind and constant analysis that
keeps repeating itself, what will happen to me in the future? What has happened to me
in the past? In other words, they are not so fearful of the future and they are not so
conditioned by the past. They are more into the moment.
Their mind gets very quiet, and that point they are able to connect to the inner higher
mind, so to speak, and receive information. And then, further than that, they are taught
, for the remote influencing course they are taught how to go into that level of what
used be before their subconscious, unconscious level and then experience their critical
mind, if you want –their mind or decision if you want, their co‐creative decision
operating from within that higher mind, in other words they are floating in a level which
they now is a high mind but their mind is still operating as a human, and they decide
okay, this is what I want, this is the information I am collecting, and based on that
information I would rather not choose this probable future which is by the way, the
name of our website, its called ProbableFuture.com I don’t want to choose this
particular probable future, I would rather choose another available probable future and
make that one my reality. And then they energize that. And then that level being so
powerful, they can energize that reality and then they will witness it

Michael Jura: Interesting. Now‐

Gerald: That’s remote influencing.

Michael Jura: How do you teach someone to function at the theta level? I am familiar
with how Jose Silva teaches it; it’s using a series of exercises over 40 days, and a theta
sound, but I am wondering about how you program does the same thing?

Gerald: We use two different techniques; we bring you into a deep state of relaxation,
extremely deep using also sounds, there are many sounds embedded. The basis of
creation is sound, and light. And light is an epimanifestation of sound and you could say
that sound is somehow an epimanifestation of light. But we use embedded sounds and
at the same we will also teach you to connect to an inner part of yourself which only
operates as light, everybody is really light in a reality but we are not talking about the
light that travels in perception because the real light does not travel, we are talking
about intelligent light. And as they experience it, they very slowly as a matter of fact it’s
quite rapid, within a week or two weeks they start losing the perception of being inside
an embodiment, they don’t feel that they have a body anymore. And as they lose that
perception of having a body, they realize that they are just pure mind, which is all ever
were anyway. And they operate from the level of mind.
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Michael Jura: How would one then use this level of mind, being in the deep theta level,
yet slightly conscious, to then manifest the reality? Now let me give you an idea, this is a
question someone had submitted. Can I use remote influencing to manifest the dream
guy? So just using that as an example, how would someone then manifest that reality?

Gerald: Very easily. You just decide what you want as your dream guy you be careful on
what you desire you might already become your reality but, basically you decide what
you want, it’s your decision and that particular universe is going to be magnetized to
you and that so called dream guy is going to show up in your universe.

Michael Jura: But I mean, are you using visualization? Affirmations? Is it simply a
thought? Is it a decision?

Gerald: It’s hard to say, it’s hard to differentiate between visualization and thought, a
visual is depiction of a thought in reality. So yes, we use visualization, but it’s attached
to a thought. More than anything else, it’s a desire, a strong loving energized desire that
you portray in your mind. We are really extremely powerful beings because even though
we think of ourselves as being separated from higher levels, we are that higher level
experiencing the lower level, that’s all.

Michael Jura: Interesting. That’s some pretty awesome stuff. So have any of your
students had any remarkable experiences in terms of remote influencing, and then
drawing to them a particular reality that they desire?

Gerald: We have countless, countless students. We started teaching this in 1996 on our
website alone there are thousands of feedbacks from students having had the
experiences. We have sold close now to 100,000 students all over the world.

Michael Jura: I am sorry Gerald did you say‐

Gerald: 100,000, yes.

Michael Jura: Wow. That’s,‐

Gerald: We did, and there are barely any country I cannot think of one country in the
world which we haven’t touched. We have had a lot of healings, personal healings
emotional healings; we have had a lot of people who have had their life totally changed
in incredible ways, where they suddenly realized their inners powers and they operate
in totally different ways. We have people ranging from medical doctors to investors, just
name it; I mean there is not one profession that has not benefited from doing this.
We have had students ranging from young people from the age of 12 ,13 to very old
people who have taken the course and have been totally transformed by it, it helps you
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all levels, it helps you in your mind, it becomes more acute, you become totally
connected, you operate based on constant intuition.
You know basically what to do, and what not to do, you connect to people, people see a
glow around you, you feel a charisma, a certain level of light which you really are at that
point. It’s really light, because you are connecting to your inner light and believe it or
not, in your universe people around you will perceive it, and then you have all the
abilities that man can think of that are made available to you.

Michael Jura: interesting

Gerald: So of course you have ESP, you have remote viewing, and then you have
manifesting, which remote influencing.

Interviewing: That’s some powerful stuff. I know you are a Silva method graduate, I am
just curious to hear about your experiences with the Silva Method, how did that
influence you?

Gerald: Very good, it was excellent. I have heard from some other, I don’t mean to
quote them but some other remote viewers who are being operating both in this
country and overseas and telling me that they have taken the course and it was an eye
opener, so to speak, for them as far as the abilities of the mind and how the mind
operates.

Michael Jura: Now is there, for people who are graduated from Silva or used a Silva
home study course, how do you think your program might benefit them or help them
expand their abilities?

Gerald: It’s basically a validation of what they start experiencing at Silva and I would say
it’s a step ahead. Silva is a natural entry point for them to undertake; they get validation
especially if they had a correlation with someone else in front of them, a human that
will validate what they are seeing, or what remote viewers call a monitor, and after that
our course will open deeper levels of their mind much deeper levels; when we say
deeper, it’s really higher, what we think is ‘deeper’ is, in reality, ‘higher’ and then they
are operating at much higher levels and they will be able to see more of course and
manifest much more.


Gerald: But the gateway is a beautiful gateway, Silva did a tremendous job –I mean a
tremendous job, it’s important at all levels what he did. He came here for a purpose and
with a mission to achieve and he did. There was no doubt about it the man was very
dedicated and he knew what was gifted this by higher intelligence.

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Michael Jura: Interesting, interesting. So I know a lot of people are now thinking, how
can they maybe get to learn from you or train from you, I take It you don’t do seminars
anymore?

Gerald: Not now, but this is going to come in the near future yes, I will keep you posted
–I will, I will definitely some teleseminars and real seminars.

Michael Jura: Oh that’s wonderful, so you might be doing teleseminars! Now what
about home study programs or DVDs or CDs; is there anyway people can learn more
about these things you have been talking about?

Gerald: Yes, we have two home study courses, one which is called the Remote viewing
course, its made up of 10 cds, and are extremely powerful and will teach you remote
viewing and the second course is the advanced level of that entry point, its called the
remote influencing course, and this one has 14 cds and it will open you mind to a much
higher level, which will help you also, and they really operate together.

Michael Jura: Wonderful. What are the courses selling for?

Gerald: The remote viewing course is selling for $177, the Remote Influencing $277 and
if you buy the combination the two, they sell for $397.

Michael Jura: Oh that’s great, so they can‐

Gerald: I also want to say that I do, I mean it’s not been easy but I do interface with my
students.

Michael Jura: What do you mean by interface with your students?

Gerald: Meaning that they can call, if they have experiences… which most of them will
have. If they have questions they can call, and I will usually within a couple of days, or
maybe the same day call them back and interface with them either through email or by
phone.

Michael Jura: Wonderful, wonderful. Now that is fantastic, because I know a lot of
people don’t do that and I am very impressed that you do, especially given the number
of students who have purchased your products.
Gerald thank you, I mean, my mind is still reeling from some of the stuff you have
shared with me. Some of it I have heard through other sources, some of it is very new,
very powerful, and I know I am going to have to sit back, mediate and spend some time
digesting it. Definitely, you have given people a lot of hope.

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Gerald: And I thank you, you have been an excellent, excellent interviewer. You are
tough but you are highly intelligent and you have asked the right questions and I
appreciate that, I really do.

Michael Jura: Thank you, Gerald.

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