F650 Exhaust Rejet/Injector

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Exhaust Pipe
Airbox Modifications: Modifications: e.g. Pilot Jet Needle Clip
e.g. Organ Pipe Holes Stock or Arrow or Main Jet Size & Size & Location: e.g. Float Bowl # Turns Idle Screw Injector
Drilled Out and/or Remus or Staintune Air Filter. E.g. Source: e.g. Stock Source: Stock (4th from Level: e.g. from Lightly Modifications: Average Mileage
F650/ Snorkel Removed or or Laser or Micron Stock (Foam) (#132.5) or Sudco e.g. Stock Top - Blunt End) Stock or 15mm bottomed out: e.g. e.g. Replaced FI Software Timing Modifications: e.g. Around
Chain Gang F650ST/ Additional Cutouts aka or D&D or Other or K&N or #137.5 or Dynojet (#41.2) or or Factory (2nd or Not Stock 4 turns or 3 with R1200C Mapping Elevation: e.g. Ron Woods Ignition Advance EPD Cannister "Fell Town/Highway since
Name Member # F650 GS Year, Mileage Ron Woods. (Baffle in or out) Other #140 Factory #45 from Top) Modified turns or 2.5 turns injector Revision Sea Level Key off". Yes/No. Modifications
I installed a Staintune exhaust (sounds fine, only a little louder than stock) with no baffle modifications, jetting, filter or air-box changes. The bike seems to have a bit more mid-range power, but
less top-end power now. I have my idle air-screws set at 4 turns out and that works well at low throttle and when starting (stock, it used to need full choke even in 90 degree heat). I lost the
canister and now have full access to my fuel, instead of only 3.8 gallons, max. My chain wore out at 12,000 miles and the steering head bearings became notchy around 8000 miles and were
replaced under warranty. I have all of my stock sprockets and they still look like new. I have no intention of ever replacing them. I have installed a MAP 320mm front brake rotor and Galfer
steel braided front brake line. I am currently using DP brake pads. My chain is a DID VM and is holding up well. I oil my chain every 250 miles. I like my Staintune because of its looks,
because it is much easier to clean and because it runs cooler than the stock exhaust. The stock bike has enough speed for my purposes.

Staintune Slip-on,
Richard #230 F650 1997, 22,300 Miles Stock Baffle left in Stock Stock Stock Stock Stock 4 turns out. N/A N/A Sea Level (SF) N/.A Yes. 52-60
I tried riding with the snorkel removed, too loud for me. The factory slide springs I found are too soft and cause a surge at 3600-4000 rpm's. Reinstalled the stock springs. With the #45 pilot jets
I have much better throttle response and power from idle to 1/4 throttle. By the way I just installed an Ohilns shock. That thing is great. If I had to do it over the shock would have been first. 2
hours to install and the improvement is out of this world.
Staintune Slip-on, #45 from Factory needles
Craig #325 F650 1999 , 22,000 Miles Organ pipes drilled out. Baffle left in K&N filter. #140 Factory Factory #2 clip setting 15 mm 3 turns out. N/A N/A Sea Level N/.A Yes. 40
Exhaust is louder than Staintune with baffle in, quieter than without. Maximum performance gain from new exhaust. Performance is very good, although runs hot (lean), I weigh 270lb and the
bike will stand straight up from pure throttle, no tricks. Down side- On my 4th chain, 3rd front sprocket, and 2nd rear sprocket, as it stretches the chain and pulls the teeth on the sprockets. I
have sitting in my garage the rest of the Woods kit (carbs, piston, valve springs, and new cams) and am waiting for new valves and race clutch springs and the time to install all mentioned. The
bike is an ongoing project and will more than likely never be finished, I absolutely love the bike. Additionally, a list like this would be great for all aspects of the bike (suspension, GPS, mirrors,
Snorkel removed, organ Full Ron Woods Dynojet Dynojet needle, windscreen, etc) and I would be willing to contribute all that I have done.
pipes drilled out and exhaust pipe recommended kit (I blunt, 2nd from 50 ft
Walter #466 F650 1999 , 25,000 miles. removed. (headers & muffler). K&N filter. believe 138 main). Stock top. Stock 4 turns out. N/A N/A (Sacramento). Woods ignition advance. Yes. 45-50
Exhaust is louder than I would like, definitely Maximum performance gain from rejetting. I had the baffle out to try it but it was way too loud. Finally got low end power I wanted when I changed
to #45 Pilot after running stock Pilot for 5000km. Sudco Manual reckons each circuit is additive. I also replaced the carb venturis and put in new needles (one was scored, possibly due to leaky
coolant going into the snorkel). This seemed to give me better mileage. Added Stiffer Clutch Springs (Team-Pami) which helped a bit, but possibly because I also replaced the clutch at the
same time. 5th from Top was way too Rich and bogged down, 4th (Stock) seemed OK, but lacking 1/4-1/2 throttle power, so I'm trying middle at the moment as recommended by Staintune
Stock, but Tried Woods ignition advance,
when I got their pipes. I was also told by Factory that they thought K&N was perhaps not so good for valves, as it lets in a bit of dust/gunk,. Their impressions were stock foam filter was just
1996/1997, 24850 Miles. checked and but Team Pami in Germany did
fine. Team-Pami said they did some dyno runs with timing modified and also reckoned stock was the most efficient, but it depends where you run your normal rev range.
Bike has all same stock Stock Needle 3rd modified back to dyno runs and reckoned stock
Carb Jets/Needles as US Organ pipes drilled out but Staintune Slip-on, #45 from (Middle) clip from stock - it was Sea Level (Hong was optimum, so reverted to Never Had one -
Kristian (Try #1) #562 F650 1997 onward Model. not removed. Baffle left in Stock #137.5 Local Dealer Sudco Top out 3 turns out. N/A N/A Kong) stock German Export 45, 15 Tooth
Exhaust is louder than I would like, definitely Maximum performance gain from rejetting. I had the baffle out to try it but it was way too loud. Finally got low end power I wanted when I
PLUGGED the Airbox Organ Pipes again and changed back to #41.3 Pilot. Dyno Springs gave me a Stutter Mid Range so took them out and went back to Stock Needles 3rd Clip, with the
Snorkelectomy for the VR th eonly Airbox Mod. Not Superpower, but good comprome power/gas Mileage

Stock, but Tried Woods ignition advance,

1996/1997, 24850 Miles. checked and but Team Pami in Germany did
Bike has all same stock Stock Needle 3rd modified back to dyno runs and reckoned stock
Carb Jets/Needles as US Organ pipes drilled out but Staintune Slip-on, (Middle) clip from stock - it was Sea Level (Hong was optimum, so reverted to Never Had one -
Kristian (Try #2) #562 F650 1997 onward Model. PLUGGED. Baffle left in Stock #135 Mikuni's Stock #41.3 Top out 2.75 - 3 turns out. N/A N/A Kong) stock German Export 45, 15 Tooth
Staintune pipe sounds great and the rejet does squeeze a little more power from the thumper. Power wheelies are easier and the 5-6K RPM grunt is more evident. I am using a dynojet kit
installed following the recommended settings. The only part of the carbs I adjusted were the mixture screws. Maybe I should try raising the needle in hoping to find sum midrange boost. I will
be taking my carbs down for cleaning because I lost a little top end speed. I also push the single to it limit quite a bit yet this single keeps wanting to be rev to the redline. My only dislike is poor
1997 , Just over 27,000 Staintune with baffle water pump design.
miles, second owner at Organ pipes drilled out in but enlarged 2nd from Top, Sea Level (San
Michael #563 F650 6000miles. and snorkel removed restrictor outlet Stock #138, Dynojet Stock Dynojet Stock 4 turns out. N/A N/A Diego) N/.A Yes. 40-45, 16 Tooth
(2) 1 inch holes drilled in Staintune Slip-on, Stock - no 500 ft (ride from Exhaust is louder than stock.  With baffle removed a lot louder.  Surging is gone.  Stalling remains - perhaps a little less.  Noticeable increase in power in low to mid range - on top too, but not
Mike #639 F650 GS 2001, 07/00 Build snorkel Baffle left in Stock Paper N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A R1200C injector upgrades SL to 6K ft) N/.A No 55 as much. 
My Dakar has 1000 miles and before modification would stall occasionally and surge around 3600 RPM. First I put a staintune on and the sound and look are very nice. I left the "dead" right
side can for symmetry. Next I made a 1200c fuel injector swap. After both modificaitons the bike does not surge and has only stalled once. Low end power is better with power wheelies
possible in 1st and 2nd gear. I rode the bike for an afternoon with the snorkel removed and noticed no change so it was reinstalled. Total cost of staintue+FI = $615 and 1.5 hours labor.
Stock - no
Andrew #700 F650 GS 2001 GS, 07/00 Build No modifications Staintune Stock Paper N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A R1200C injector upgrades 670ft Chicago None No 50
No surging or stalling or flat spots anywhere in the rpm range, sound level pleasing to me - quiet compared to my Harleys, Lucky and surprised it ran so well without mods that I expected to do.
15 tooth front sprocket and I still get that mileage. (may change back to 16 as Florida is not challenged for hills and starting out) I did NOT notice any change in performance with the Remus.
Expected it to be less and have it camoflouged by the sound. Felt for that very issue and detected nothing. Top speed was an indicated 97mph with stock muffler and Remus. (Florida back
roads are great for speed bursts) Did plug chops before and after the Remus (AR) and saw no change. No "flat spots" AR. If any change presented itself I think the bike warms up to a perfect
idle almost instantly AR but I seem to remember it took a couple of minutes with the stock exhaust. That was not something I prepared to check. Weight was less than stock but I have no
Sea Level - printed figures.
Larry #705 F650 ST 1997, 12000 Miles Stock Remus Stock Stock Stock Stock Stock Stock N/A N/A Tampa Bay Stock Yes. 52-58, 15 Tooth
Fuel mpg did not change at mid 40's. I did drill the stock Staintune "baffle" with six new holes to releave a small amount of back pressure that the baffle produced. It made the bike a little louder,
Staintune Slip-on, also. These wholes can be reversed easily if desired. I know some of the things you mentioned can produce more HP, to nearly 60, I've heard, but I've never had a need for it and it may/may
Baffle left in, but with not have other effects like shorter engine life.
6 holes drilled in
Randy #748 F650 1999 13,000 Miles Stock baffle Stock Stock Stock Stock Stock Stock N/A N/A Stock Yes. Mid 40's, 16 Tooth
Performance: Much better low speed/low rev performance. Engine is also smoother. More positive roll-on throttle response. Slightly more power across the rev range. Louder intake noise,
exhaust the same. Thoughts: I believe the bike to be very sensitive to airflow/fuel mixture and altitude. I think I have the bike in the best configuration for the lowest amount of money possible.
Organ pipes drilled out but One needle raised 44, ?? Tooth, Varied Still would like to compare to other bikes.
not removed, Snorkel one notch, second city/freeway/Country
Chris #782 F650 1997 15,000 Miles Removed Stock K&N filter. Stock Stock needle stock Stock 3.5 turns out N/A N/A Sea Level Stock Yes. Rd
My pipe is on a 2001 F650GS. It's the only modification so far; no filter, sprocket, etc. changes. Bike wasn't completely broken-in when I put on the pipe so I can't attest to how much of an
increase it provided. Seems to have added a little grunt in low & midrange. The bike is in the shop right now, because of a blown starter or something, and they will do the re-mapping at the
same time. At first the bike seemed to surge less with the pipe, but right before it went into the shop the surging got really bad(between 3-4000rpm). Pipe is noticeably louder than stock,
particularly when on the throttle, but it sounds really good. Fit & finish are excellent and installation was a breeze. Most pipes won't improve top speed much anyway, instead improving
midrange where you spend most of your time. As you say, the engines & exhausts are so well engineered these days that there's not much to be gained from an aftermarket pipe. However
some configurations(big singles & twins) are so muffled to pass noise & emission standards that they respond well to better flowing pipes. My Buell easily gained 10 or 15 hp from a pipe &
airbox.
Being
jpd #793 F650 GS 2001, Just Broken in Stock Staintune Stock Paper N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A Stock Upgraded N/A Stock Not Given Not Given
Power is smooth and plentiful from just below 3K to red-line. As you indicated to me in the past, it can be a PITA to get it right. In my case it took several K miles and a half dozen attempts.
Would probably have been shorter if I had access to a dyno and hadn't listened to the folks at DynoCrap. Anyway, I wanted to forward the info to you in case anyone else you sell a REMUS
pipe asks what has worked. Snorkel was put back onto the airbox and I'm still running the stock air filter element. My biggest problem was the Dynojet needle didn't work because the tip profile
Stock needles w/ was too aggressive making the midrange run too rich and the stiffer stock springs hurt the low end response giving a bit of hesitation when transitioning from power-off to power-on. Hope this
clip at 4th notch info can be of help."
from top, Dynojet Somewhere around
Anonymous #1 # F650 1999, ? Miles Snorkel NOT removed Remus Stock #138, Dynojet. Stock springs Unknown 3-1/2 turns. N/A N/A Unknown Stock Unknown Unknown
Maybe I can be of some help...I have Arrow and K&N filter fitted and complimented this with a Dynojet kit (some claim Factory is better but seems to be little in it really). The Dynojet comes with
main jets 138 and 134 (138 for aftermarket exhaust 134 for standard) and new profile needle, clips and washers. I initially fitted the 138's etc and then went to 140 jets (standard on early Euro
Removed organ pipes spec bikes!)Needle clip two from top. Bike now literally FLIES... Good luck. PS removed organ pipes from airbox but retained snorkel but can try removing that too...
from airbox but retained
snorkel but can try Dynojet needle,
Anonymous #2 # F650 ??? removing that too. Arrow K&N filter. #140 Unknown 2nd from top. Unknown Unknown N/A N/A Unknown Stock Unknown Unknown
Stock Staintune with removable restrictor left in place added to almost stock f650. The only mod is 15 tooth counter shaft sprocket - this makes the bike much smoother to ride (no snatching at
low speed), I would only go back to the 16 tooth if I was doing lots of highway miles at speeds above 120kmh. It sits on 4000rpm at 100kmh which is comfortable, and will still do 160kmh
around the race track and was still pulling (didn't want to red line it!). The Staintune looks like a work of art and is lighter than the stock exhaust. It bolts straight on, with some fiddling required
to line up the header extension pipe bolt on the frame riser (a couple of mm out on this one - but it went on after some 'manipulation'). With the Staintune the bike seems more willing to rev,
No - no backfiring
and is smooth throughout the rev range with no jetting changes. Power output not discernably different in my opinion. It sounds so much better - a low note now rather than the annoying 'pop
except very very rarely
pop pop' sound of the stocker - there's less 'crackle' in the exhaust at speed which makes it seem smoother. This translates to a much more enjoyable riding experience. Absolutely
- cannot reproduce it so
recommended.
really not a problem -
its in the mail - but didn't do it all with
Andrew really! F650 1997, 11800 kms Stock Staintune Stock Stock Stock Stock Stock Stock N/A N/A Sea Level Stock the stock exhaust 20-25km per litre
Fine tuning the carbs is a labour of love… First had problems about 1.5 yrs ago with low end richness. Bike would bog out at idle, after being warmed up. Did some reading (without the great
spreadsheet) and stumbled upon the Factory Pro site and their section on emulsion tubes (aka needle jets) for Mikuni CV carbs. Thinking a worn tube might be the issue, replaced them and
installed the jet kit. (Talk about a crash course in carbs...) Well, this didn't solve the issue but did thoroughly piss me off. Turns out the float valve wasn't shutting off, allowing fuel to keep
flowing in even when there was no lack of fuel in the bowl. Fuel was dumping out of the airbox, and from the factory, the lowest drain hole in the airbox is plugged, not allowing the excess to
escape. (Aside, I religiously shut off the petcock everytime the bike is turned off, now). Yes, the tubes were worn, and replaced those. The float valve was the real issue here, and solved the
bogging out/fuel dump.
Portland, OR avg
Stock, lightly Stock Needles, Levels around 173' above sea ~44mi per US gal w/
Tom slacker F650 1997, 29,200 miles Snorkel removed Remus oiled #137.5 Factory Pro #45 clip at #3 (middle) 13.5mm 3 turns out. N/A N/A level N/.A Yes, oooops. stock 16 tooth
I had a dealer do a Dynojet kit but he never check the float levels, bike ran poor for 1.5 years due to levels left at 9mm. Poor fuel mileage (30mpg). I took out dynojunk and decided to start over.
This is were I ended up, I also replaced venturi jets and needles, slide springs along with O-rings. Had one bad plug cap, tried NGK 5k caps tested 14.6k & 13.8 total resistance, replaced with
Snorkel cut back for VR
relocation, organ pipes Stock Needles #3 Ya first day I owned the New Beru's now both at 9k total (cap,lead, coil). 5/21/2002
Dave #365 F650 classic 1999 , 6500 miles open up Remus- GrandPrix K&N filter. Mikuni #137.5 41.3 stock clip Stock springs 14.mm 3.5-3.75 turns out N/A N/A 100' ASL N/A bike??? Go figure? 42mpg US gal
So the last 3-4 weeks I redid the carb with dyno-jet and replaced all the insides, then the airbox with a air-enricher ectomy and snorkel-ectomy and organ pipes ..... then air fillter is the same
Airbox with an air-enricher so...... the exhaust is stock but the Cat was taken out by my friend with a arch welder. Then the weakest thing ..... was replaced .... the stock shock now it is a Olmhs. but also all the
ectomy and snorkel- Stock Muffler DJ Needle 2nd bearings in the swing arm and arms .... all replaced with caged bearings ... torringtons and repacked :))) The cooling pump was old and weeped so a new cooling pump with seals . then all
Chas #1969 F650 classic 27k Miles Stock DJ 134 Main N/A 14.6mm 3.5 turns out N/A N/A N/A N/A put all back together ........ Many Hours and today all done! I took it out today and the carb and exhaut mods make the bike FLY!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!! So many things I missed in the details but
ectomy and organ pipes Decatted Clip
the FAQ's and the people that help each other in the Chain Gang make the F 650 the BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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