You do not think I have a clear stance because when you speak back what I said it

is completely different than what I wrote. If we are to have a sensible

conversation on this you need to read the actual words I write and not skip words
or inject words that are not there. And you must with basic language skills
understand what is written. As you said back about what I said: "The Bible never
says that we will become sinless by our own performance in our flesh." Yet, what
you claim I said was never written. So you are attacking some straw man in your
head. And you expect me to reply to you about a whole conversation that is going on
in your head and does not relate to what is actually being written?

It is especially very clear in this last comment I made to you that it is not in
our flesh that it is done. That is not to say that it is not by actions with our
body. In Greek the word flesh is sarka and body is soma. They are two different
things and different ideas. We use our bodies for actions and we are commanded to
obey with our bodies and their actions as well as our hearts. The word flesh is an
indicator of the desires in our bodies that war against the desires of God in the
Spirit. We are to subdue our bodies and submit them to the LORD so they do not obey
our fleshly desires. If we do not subdue them to obey then we do not "walk" in the
light. We walk around in darkness and the darkness has blinded us, if we do not
obey with the actions of our bodies as well as our hearts. It is not an issue of
either the heart or the body. It is BOTH the heart and the body. The flesh, on the
other hand, cannot obey, because it is by definition the desires that are opposed
to the desires of God.

So the critical aspect of the Christian walk that proves that you have actually
entered into salvation from the wrath of God is the actual actions of the body that
come from the desires of God, not the desires of the flesh. Choose today whom you
will serve. Whoever loves the world or anything in the world, the love of the
Father is not in him. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the bragging
of what you have and do are the things in the "world" (literally, the whole
collection of individuals). If you are unwilling to control your body in godliness
and holiness by the way taught in the Scriptures, regarding the Holy Spirit
indwelling, the access granted by the broken body of Christ, and the intimate trust
gifted by the Father in the Holy of Holies, then you must stop calling yourself a
Christian.

If you are willing to walk according to how Jesus walked, then we have fellowship
together. But if you insist on staying in sin, then you must be put out of the
church, according to the Apostle Paul, disfellowshiped. So choose today whether you
will walk as Jesus walked or you will continue to walk in sin. It seems ridiculous
and impossible to you, because you are measuring which parts of the Scriptures you
accept by measuring against your experience. Your experience means nothing to the
Truth of the LORD. There are powers far beyond your experience that are testified
to in the Scriptures, namely the power of the Holy Spirit. And if you do not
experience that power, then you cannot say you have fellowship with the Holy Spirit
or with the Son or the Father. So choose. Sin or God. You can't have it both ways.

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Why do you mock the Scriptures? You again create this phrase of "sinless
perfection" though I have already warned you about this. Peter did sin and was
forgiven by Christ. I will spell it out once more and only once more. "I write this
to you dear children so that you will not sin, but if any of you do sin..." We are
called to not sin, which means it is possible to stop sinning. It is possible we
might sin again after we stop sinning. It is not possible that we will continue in
sin. This is what the Testimony of God says simply and clearly. On the other hand,
you want to subject the clear statements of Peter, James, John, and Jesus to the
extremely difficult writings of Paul. It says in Peter that Paul's writings are
very difficult on the mind. Why would he say that if Paul's statements are so
straight forward. In fact, they are not as simple as many Americans make them out
to be. Paul's writings must be reconciled with the other Apostles' and our Lord's
teachings, not the other way around. Paul did not die for our sins to atone for
them, neither was he the Son of God. Paul was the "least of the Apostles". Yet you
exalt him above all others. Romans 7 is about the unregnerated Christian without
the Holy Spirit indwelling. He says that himself and you know this by reading it
together with chapter 8. I have pointed you in the right direction each time and
each time you resist, refuse, and show you are obstinate.

You continue to be belligerent and you resist being educated by a teacher in the
Church, appointed by the LORD. I have contended with you this far, but soon if you
resist and continue in your belligerence of the Holy Spirit there will be no
sacrifice for sin left for you. So choose. Whether you will follow and OBEY the
Lord Jesus Christ or you will continue to obey sin. CHOOSE!

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"Christ's sacrifice is to atone for the fact that this body is wretched." << So you
do not even understand why Christ died.

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"It is not until we get our new glorified bodies that we become sinless." << No,
that is error. The resurrection of the body is for judgement and the new bodies are
to deliver us from the desires of corrupted flesh. Flesh does not equal body, as I
have explained previously from the Greek. The body by itself has only the flesh to
drive it. However, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which many American churches
forbid, give power to the body to do the will of God. And do you think the will of
God is to sin? Even John said it as plain as the nose on your face, "I write this
to you so that you will not sin." The desire is that you will not sin. God provided
for us to be able to do the will of God, through His Son and His Holy Spirit. He is
not called only the Spirit, but the Holy Spirit, because He brings holiness, the
ability to obey God's will and escape the power of sin. Choose who you will serve.
Sin or God. Stop sinning! But you cannot do that, because you do not have the Holy
Spirit indwelling you. And I know this, because you cannot acknowledge the will of
God through His Son and through His Holy Spirit. So I point you back to the Cross.
You have not yet even repented, because you are still dead in your sins.

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Christ's victory is not a hypothetical one, intended for your imagination. The
victory of Jesus Christ over sin is a real and actual one proven in our actions,
driven by the Holy Spirit's power. You will know them by their fruits. Every
commentary you read and every pastor you talk with, no matter what their doctrine,
agree that fruits are actions of the bodies.

"15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly
they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather
grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears
good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit,
nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is
cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know
them." [Matthew 7:15-20]

And bad fruit is sinful actions. We are also told we will be judged by our actions,
as our Lord also declares in such parables as the wise stewards and the sheep and
the goats. And Paul says in 2 Corinthians:

"9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may
receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be
good or bad. 11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we
are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your
consciences." [2 Corinthians 5:9-11]

Verse 10 is not talking only about a reward, because there is punishment involved.
"that we may be accepted of him" and "knowing therefore the terror of the LORD..."
It is about Judgement, but not for reward, but for either safety from His wrath and
reward or receiving His wrath and no reward. But some men distort these kinds of
passages by Paul to their own destruction. I guarantee you that if you continue to
use the body to sin, that you will have the terror of the LORD. He will not reward
you with anything good for your disobedience to His pleasure and trampling under
His grace beneath your dirty feet.

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Repent (μετανοέω) means to change your thinking, your mind. And it results in
fruits or actions. I am calling you as a leader in the Church to repent.

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Mr. Yankee, if it were not for your heresy, the rest of your teachings are spot on.
Once we enter salvation we have not received the total of our safety (salvation)
yet. And if we do not remain in Him and hold fast to the faith by which we entered,
we will not be saved. This doctrine of devils claiming that one action (confessing
with our mouths) gives us the whole thing, regardless what we do afterward, needs
to stop. I am calling you to repent, (μετανοέω), and agree with the teachings of
the Lord Jesus Christ. For you have forgotten the teachings of the Lord. So I will
remind you here publicly, since you have made your teachings, which are contrary to
Christ's teachings in some places, public.

"21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of
heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say
to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name
have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I
profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
[Matthew 7:21-23]

The only ones who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven will be those who DO the will of
Jesus' Father in Heaven. It will be by our actions that we will be judged, not by
our profession of Christ only, those works laid out in advance by the Father and
done through the power and fellowship of the Holy Spirit. For the demons even
believe and profess Christ is Lord and they shiver in fear. Yet they refuse to do
the will of the Father of Jesus, because they love their fear, for they reject the
Holy Spirit as if He were the unclean one. And yet, many Christians who believe all
they have to do is profess Christ, do not even feel the appropriate fear that they
should. When you disobey God and walk around with the name of Christ on your lapel
you break the third Commandment of YHWH "Do not carry around the name of YHWH in
desolation." Or "in vain", meaning without effect, or action. And if you are not
doing each day the particular things the Father wants for you to do that day, then
you do not please the Father. Those are the works laid out in advance for you to do
and you do not even care enough to meet with Him in the Holy of Holies and ask Him
what they are. This is how these Christians, which Christ prophesied about in
Matthew 7 ended up being condemned on the Great Judgement Day. That is why our Lord
said He never knew them and why He called them workers of iniquity. The "many
wonderful works" they had been doing were wonderful in their own eyes. And in a
Christian culture there can be many things that seem good to do, but if you do not
meet with the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ each day you cannot know what the
good things to do really are.