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Meeting Log
03[21:58] * Johnh (~chatzilla@pool-98-112-151-117.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) has

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[21:58] <@Hightower> channel is on moderation, no one can speak until the meeting
starts
[22:00] <@Hightower> OK, so here is the deal. Innogames has a forum for the
purposes of making the TW experience richer
[22:00] <@Hightower> Originally the world sections were P&P only, and in character
[22:00] <@Hightower> that stopped a little less than a year ago
[22:00] <@Hightower> we started to allow a more relaxed world section
03[22:01] * Odoakar (~chatzilla@78-2-142-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr) has joined #W13
03[22:01] * Ashmodai (~paefrost@92-232-36-95.cable.ubr27.newt.blueyonder.co.uk)
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[22:01] <@Hightower> but we still have rules, and in general if its not about the
world we don't want it in the world section
[22:01] <@Hightower> I assume you've read the posting, if you haven't please take a
moment to do so
[22:01] <@Hightower> The URL is in the topic and the welcome message
[22:02] <@Hightower> Jirki is going to be our gate keeper, if he kicks you you
better come back clean or you'll get a ban
[22:02] <@Hightower> I'll leave the channel open for joins as long as we don't have
a ban evasion problem
[22:03] <@Hightower> Ranbaxy and I will handle the question, and my Boss Lord-Haste
will be recording/watch
[22:03] <@Hightower> Ranbaxy, is there anything you wish to say, before I open it
up?
[22:03] <@Ranbaxy> No i dont think so Hightower
[22:04] <@Hightower> ok, so I'm going to take the channel off of moderation, and we
will try to field some questions, please be patient, I'm sure its going to be a
little bit of a mad house until we get the swing of things.
03[22:04] * Hightower sets mode: -m
12[22:04] <@Hightower> Petnquaranlor, you want to start?
[22:04] <@Hightower> are you around even?
[22:05] <@Hightower> ok, then anyone?>
01[22:05] <+Petnquaranlor> yep
12[22:05] <@Hightower> go ahead Petnquaranlor
[22:05] <iDefeat> jeeze u guys are still oging
01[22:05] <+Petnquaranlor> well
01[22:06] <+Petnquaranlor> I'd just like to say to both sides to be patient with
eachotehr, as most liekly you're going to be saying things that the other side
doesn't want to hear
01[22:06] <+Petnquaranlor> just keep that in mind :P
03[22:06] <Ashmodai> Ieuan is a clever boy
[22:06] <@Hightower> ok, would anyone like to start with any questions?
[22:06] <Johnh> why was hbb, and cecelia banned
[22:06] <Johnh> :o
[22:07] <Royalist> isnt that obvious already?
[22:07] <@Hightower> Johnh, we can't discuss specific bans in public only with the
players themselves, sorry
[22:07] <Johnh> :(
[22:07] <Johnh> ok i have another question
[22:07] <iDefeat> lol...
[22:07] <Johnh> :o
[22:07] <@Hightower> shoot
[22:07] <Johnh> why isn't servy in this irc room?
[22:07] <@Jirki88> HBB's ban isn't relevant to the situation even, since he was
banned far before.
[22:07] <iDefeat> what if we say its okay if ppl talk about our ban?
[22:07] <Johnh> he is the one that WE in SFA were banned by?!
[22:08] <@Hightower> I have not idea why servy isn't here, he isn't really involved
in W13
01[22:08] <+Petnquaranlor> ermm, Johnh, this is a dicussion about the forum rather
than in game
[22:08] <@Hightower> like I said we can't discuss specifics
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[22:08] <Odoakar> If I may
[22:08] <iDefeat> what if we say its okay if ppl talk about our ban?
[22:08] <@Jirki88> servy is modding general/questions/offtopic and he may be afk,
it doesn't matter really
01[22:08] <+Petnquaranlor> Odoakar, go ahead
[22:08] <Johnh> ...the mod bashing was because of what happened ingame..
[22:08] <Johnh> as far as i know
[22:08] <Odoakar> I feel mods are taking normal discussion about moderation as a
mod bashing
[22:08] <@Hightower> Johnh, that is not what I understand
[22:09] <iDefeat> Basicly what I was told was that to get a life ban we have to
wait a long time then have a elder moderator plead our case...
[22:09] <@Hightower> this is the first I have heard of a game ban problem in W13
[22:09] <Johnh> [he is the one who is answering support tickets of mine, he is the
one who was talking to dejayen when she was banned and failed to answer her
questions
[22:09] <iDefeat> if this is true say so please
[22:09] <Odoakar> I don't see why we can't have argumented, sensible talks about
moderation that directelly affects us
01[22:09] <+Petnquaranlor> Odoakar, sensible is the key word there
[22:09] <Johnh> ..hightower thats what i was talking to you about in pm mail
[22:09] <Johnh> ....
[22:09] <@Hightower> we can discuss it, we can't discuss specific bans or
infractions
[22:10] <iDefeat> Basicly what I was told was that to get a life ban we have to
wait a long time then have a elder moderator plead our case...
[22:10] <iDefeat> if this is true say so please
[22:10] <@Hightower> those are private between the player and the mods
01[22:10] <+Petnquaranlor> iDefeat, what?
05[22:10] -iDefeat- 15Sorry 14Petnquaranlor 15, I am currently away, Reason:
1415, I have been gone for: 140secs15.
[22:10] <iDefeat> I was otld my hightower
01[22:10] <+Petnquaranlor> also, turn off your away message please..
[22:10] <iDefeat> I have a never liitng ban
[22:10] <Johnh> ....hightower... he is the one who was beiing bashed on by our sfr
players
[22:10] <@Hightower> In general if you get a perm ban, yes you need to get an Elder
mod to plead your case
[22:10] <@Lord-Haste> yes, we vote on unbanning
[22:10] <@Lord-Haste> The banning is a sort of vote too
[22:11] <Johnh> not in the case of our sfr players
[22:11] <iDefeat> But I'm ussally a good guy
[22:11] <iDefeat> thats the thing
[22:11] <iDefeat> one thing I did runined it...
[22:11] <@Jirki88> we are only discussing forums here, not ingame.
[22:11] <iDefeat> and now im sad :(
[22:11] <Johnh> they took their unfair punishment to get their account sittings
back..
[22:11] <@Hightower> Johnh, your speaking about game bans, this is about the forum
[22:11] <Royalist> I got a question
[22:11] <Johnh> am i :o
[22:11] <iDefeat> I'm talking aobut forum
[22:11] <@Jirki88> iDefeat, you make a mistake, you pay for it. it's the same as
irl
[22:11] <iDefeat> i know
[22:12] <@Jirki88> a murderer may be the best man there is, but if he commite a
murder he have to be punished, no matter how good he is at other times
[22:12] <iDefeat> so I was told I have to wait a few months then have a elder plead
my case
[22:12] <@Hightower> iDefeat, we can't discuss your specific case in public, its
against policy
[22:12] <Johnh> HT if i believe right, is this the thread that dejayne started that
servy was moderating?
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01[22:12] <+Petnquaranlor> let this one finish Royalist, then go ahead
[22:12] <iDefeat> Ok, I'll PM someone?
[22:12] <@Hightower> Johnh, no, this is about what I put in the post, that you were
supposed to read
[22:12] <@Hightower> iDefeat, you can, but not now we are obviously busy
[22:13] <iDefeat> you seem to be the onlyone talking lol
[22:13] <@Hightower> I'm here dealing with this meeting, I can't have a discussion
with you too
[22:13] <iDefeat> i know
[22:13] <@Hightower> So lets move on
[22:13] <iDefeat> I'll I'm LH or someone
[22:13] <@Ranbaxy> I think one thing that you guys have to remember, is that OF did
very little if anything on the forums and all i did when i came into look at w13
was moderate it as per the other forums
[22:13] <@Hightower> Lets not discuss OF, as I ask
[22:14] <@Ranbaxy> sorry
[22:14] <Ashmodai> then perhaps
[22:14] <@Hightower> OF is a good guy
[22:14] <Ashmodai> Ranbaxy
[22:14] <iDefeat> Ranbaxy may I im u?
[22:14] <Ashmodai> it would have been better
[22:14] <@Hightower> Royalist, you had a question?
[22:14] <Johnh> HT if you don't mind
[22:14] <Royalist> yes I did
[22:14] <Ashmodai> to see what the forum individually was like
[22:14] <Johnh> would you please link me to the thread that the mod was being
attacked on?
[22:14] <@Ranbaxy> yes after the meeting iDefeat
[22:14] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, wait until Royalist is done
[22:14] <iDefeat> I'll like i
[22:14] <Royalist> It seems to me that Orangeflame was removed very swiftly from
his post
[22:14] <iDefeat> I have it saved
[22:14] <Zlatorog777> *I leaved for 10 seconds and you guys write so much i dont
know where i left*
[22:14] <@Hightower> Johnh, the threads are deleted, there were many of them
[22:14] <Royalist> did you try to help/gudie him in the right direction?
[22:15] <Royalist> before taking such strong actions
[22:15] <@Hightower> Royalist, I can't discuss OF with you thats between him and
the admins
[22:15] <Johnh> what is of?
[22:15] <@Hightower> Orangeflame
[22:15] <Hanis> Well.
[22:15] <@Jirki88> but we never fire anyone without reason.
[22:15] <iDefeat> john
[22:15] <Johnh> ook
[22:15] <iDefeat> http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=84490
[22:15] <Royalist> I know that Jirki
[22:15] <iDefeat> go there
[22:16] <@Hightower> anyone else?
[22:16] <Royalist> it just seemed you did it all the sudden when you noticed what
shape the w13 forums was in
[22:16] <@Hightower> Royalist, I said we can't discuss the matter with you
[22:16] <@Jirki88> as we said, our reasons to fire him is between him and the
admins
[22:16] <iDefeat> johnh
[22:16] <iDefeat> ddi oyu get my link?
[22:16] <Johnh> yes?
[22:16] <NameGoesHere> Um
[22:16] <Johnh> yes i pressed it.
[22:16] <NameGoesHere> Do we have another hour?
[22:16] <iDefeat> ok
[22:16] <iDefeat> thats form me...
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[22:17] <NameGoesHere> Well, 45 mins
[22:17] <NameGoesHere> Nevermind
[22:17] <iDefeat> this goes on for days dude
[22:17] <@Hightower> NameGoesHere, I don't understand what your asking for
[22:17] <NameGoesHere> Nothing
[22:17] <@Hightower> we will be here for two hours
[22:17] <@Hightower> at least
[22:17] <NameGoesHere> No I was wondering when 23:00 server time was
[22:17] <@Jirki88> 23 servertime was 18min ago
[22:17] <@Hightower> that was 17 minutes ago
[22:17] <NameGoesHere> k
[22:18] <@Hightower> does anyone else have something to say about the forum?
[22:18] <Johnh> HT could i ask why spam is not allowed in the forum?
[22:18] <@Hightower> Spam is not allowed because its against the rules
[22:18] <iDefeat> but its fun...
[22:18] <@Hightower> It clutters up the forum and infuriates the players
[22:18] <Johnh> ...SPAM IS WHAT KEEPS THE FORUMS GOING!
[22:18] <Johnh> if you didn't have spam
[22:18] <iDefeat> look
[22:18] <Johnh> im sure you wouldn't have the forums
[22:18] <@Hightower> no SPAM is what keeps the post count up
[22:18] <Ator> spam is allowed john, but its up to the forum mod to allow it to an
extent
[22:19] <iDefeat> almost all the players in here are spammers
[22:19] <@Hightower> you forget what the forum is for
[22:19] <OmXu> spam has been all w13 had for quite some time now and to be honest
the forums have been a joke
[22:19] <Johnh> lmao idefeat, i agree with you
[22:19] <Odoakar> I feel banning of some of the members was too strict and
uncalled. Call them whatever you like,
[22:19] <Johnh> HT SPAM IS HOW WE CREATE FRIENDSHIPS AND ALLIANCES!
[22:19] <Odoakar> but guys like cecala, sageandroid and the rest of the spammers
did a lot for the forum with their
[22:19] <@Hightower> just because the forums are quiet doesn't mean its time to
spam
[22:19] <Odoakar> reviews of tribes, different stats and analyses
[22:19] <iDefeat> almost all the players ion here have been infraced and or banned
[22:19] <iDefeat> in the last week
[22:19] <@Hightower> not for spam
[22:19] <Odoakar> and since they were banned, forums went dead -
[22:19] <iDefeat> just look
[22:19] <Odoakar> there are 4 live threads now, other than that, the forums are
dead. And with w13 being boring
[22:19] <Odoakar> as it is, it really doesn't help to ban half of the posters from
w13 forums.
[22:19] <Ashmodai> John you're wrong, and we all know that
[22:19] <Ator> ive stopped reading the forum, as all there was there was spam
[22:20] <@Hightower> the bannings we handed out had nothing to do with spam
[22:20] <Johnh> what do you mean ash?
[22:20] <Ashmodai> Spam has no use
[22:20] <Ashmodai> discussion and debate do
[22:20] <@Hightower> we haven't even begun to address the spam issue
[22:20] <OmXu> exactly Ash ^
[22:20] <Johnh> spam is corresponding, and talking to people am i not right ash?
[22:20] <@Jirki88> the bans in w13 were for modbashing, modprovoking and attempt to
start a riot, not spamming.
01[22:20] <+Petnquaranlor> the level of spam allowed in a forum is inversely
propertional to the activity of the forum: if the forum is inactive, mor spam is
allowed, w13 was active, hence there shouldn't have been much psma. Unfortunately,
pretty much all the activity WAS spam
01[22:20] <+Petnquaranlor> w13 hasn't always been just spam
01[22:20] <+Petnquaranlor> if you want something to talk about, start a war :P
[22:20] <Ashmodai> however, cutting people out of debating in an attempt to prevent
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spam, is more harmful than helpful
[22:20] <Johnh> jirki, what exactially is a forum riot?
[22:20] <Ashmodai> something I believe is overlooked
[22:20] <@Jirki88> the more spam there is in a forum, the less P&P is it
[22:20] <iDefeat> ashmodi
[22:21] <@Hightower> Johnh, that was covered in the post
[22:21] <iDefeat> if i rember i saw many posts by you in the unlitame spamming
thread
[22:21] <@Jirki88> Johnh, a forum riot is when alot of users group together for the
sole purpose of spamming, derailing threads, bashing mods and spread unrest
[22:21] <iDefeat> why are you saying oyu don't like it...
[22:21] <Johnh> *back to re-reading the post-
[22:21] <NameGoesHere> Odoakar
[22:21] <iDefeat> Jirki
[22:21] <@Hightower> once again, what does spam have to do with the current issues?
[22:21] <Johnh> ...
[22:21] <iDefeat> I know what your sayuing but i never saw that in W13
[22:21] <Johnh> lmao!
[22:21] <@Hightower> no one has been banned for spam
[22:21] <SageAndroid> My problem with the whole deal, was how instead of explaining
what was going on, the mods just started to give infractions.
[22:21] <Ator> HT spam started all of this
[22:21] <Johnh> idef, is that your name on tw?
[22:22] <@Hightower> no Ator it didn't start this
[22:22] <iDefeat> I did :(
[22:22] <@Hightower> attacks on the mod started this
[22:22] <SageAndroid> I never knew of an effort to mod-bash
[22:22] <iDefeat> me...
[22:22] <Ashmodai> well
[22:22] <iDefeat> me...
[22:22] <iDefeat> me...
[22:22] <@Hightower> spam I can deal with, its no big deal
[22:22] <@Jirki88> SageAndroid, that is because we noticed OF weren't modding at
all, and we require all our forums to be at, atleast, almost the same level
[22:22] <Ashmodai> threads were locked due to spam
[22:22] <Ashmodai> or for no reason at all
[22:22] <Ashmodai> the lockdown
[22:22] <iDefeat> I started it
[22:22] <Ashmodai> created the mod bashing
[22:22] <iDefeat> yes
[22:22] <Ator> QFT ash
[22:22] <Ashmodai> its a chain of events
[22:22] <Zlatorog777> hey whats up with attacks on mods?
[22:22] <Ashmodai> you can't jump in part way
[22:22] <iDefeat> Ranbaxy locked threads rather than taking posts out
[22:22] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, nothing is an excuse for attacking the mod,
nothing..
[22:22] <Johnh> SPAM IS WHAT KEEPS THE FORUM GOING!!!! GAHH!!!
03[22:23] * Jirki88 sets mode: +b *!*@pool-98-112-151-117.lsanca.fios.verizon.net
[22:23] <@Hightower> thank you
[22:23] <Ashmodai> I'm done here
03[22:23] * Johnh was kicked by Jirki88 (enough of your capsing)
has left #W13
[22:23] <@Jirki88> -_-
[22:23] <iDefeat> great
[22:23] <iDefeat> 2 down
[22:23] <@Jirki88> alright, now
[22:23] <@Hightower> So can we get back to the issue?
[22:23] <SageAndroid> iDefeat, you aren't helping
[22:23] <Zlatorog777> can you answer me please
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01[22:23] <+Petnquaranlor> iDefeat, when a thread is 90% spam, what are we meant
to do with it?
[22:23] <@Jirki88> Ranbaxy locked the threads because there were way too many
spamposts in them
[22:24] <@Jirki88> if we delete 50 out of 65 posts, the thread is stonedead even if
we leave it open
[22:24] <iDefeat> Waht I'm saying is she could have locked them taken the posts out
then re-opened
[22:24] <@Hightower> If you have a disagreement with a thread being locked why
didn't you contact a mod or elder mod?
[22:24] <OmXu> with the amount of spam in the forums it was hard to tell what was
supposed to be serious
[22:24] <iDefeat> we din't have that many spamposts in threads -.-
[22:24] <@Jirki88> because then you would have 2-3 pages of deleted posts, iDefeat
[22:24] <@Jirki88> any thread is dead with that
01[22:24] <+Petnquaranlor> iDefeat, do you realise how much work that would mean?
[22:24] <Royalist> iDefeat think of the work from the mods side aswell
12[22:24] <Royalist> lol Petn, to fast.
[22:24] <iDefeat> I am thinking aoubt that
[22:24] <@Hightower> iDefeat, I'm waiting for an answer?
[22:24] <iDefeat> idk...
[22:25] <OmXu> now without said spam forums and with people actually moding people
are complaining since they aren't allowed to have "fun"... yet the forums may
eventually make a comeback and be relevant news instead of one big joke
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[22:25] <Hanis> I don't think that you understand the forums of W13 at all.
[22:25] <iDefeat> I overereated and took matters into my own hands theres my answer
[22:25] <@Jirki88> i don't mind deleting posts rather than locking threads, but
there's alimit to the amount of posts we can delete before it dies
03[22:25] * LEX|pm_if_need is now known as LEXXES
[22:25] <@Jirki88> OmXu, that's why we open spamthreads in many forums
[22:25] <iDefeat> HT^^
[22:25] <Royalist> and with spam in every topic thats a huge work task
[22:25] <Odoakar> I felt that OF Smap thread kept most of the spamm under control
[22:25] <@Jirki88> one single thread for people to spam in rather than everywhere
[22:25] <Odoakar> Spam thread
[22:26] <@Jirki88> yea, but it escalated when he didn't do anything at all
[22:26] <iDefeat> HT^^
[22:26] <SageAndroid> Omxu, I don't have a problem with the moderation, but I
believe that the mods tried to get everything under control too fast
[22:26] <iDefeat> yes
[22:26] <SageAndroid> That never worls
[22:26] <Ator> spam thread helped the first week or so, the spam exploded all over
[22:26] <iDefeat> I expected tobe banned
[22:26] <SageAndroid> works*
[22:26] <iDefeat> but not forever :(
[22:26] <@Hightower> Odoakar, the spam was everywhere, but we still aren't talking
about spam. The issue that got people banned was the attacks on the mod
[22:26] <@Jirki88> yes, Ator, because there weren't anyone to limit it to the
spamthread
[22:26] <@Hightower> without the attacks none of the bans would have occured
[22:26] <Ator> true jirki
[22:26] <Odoakar> Ok attacks on mods. I can remember you banning a player just for
mentioning someone being banned
[22:27] <OmXu> the mods were correct in their actions as far as i can tell
[22:27] <Odoakar> I think you all took it too far and too strict
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[22:27] <OmXu> i've said my peace so good day to everyone
[22:27] <iDefeat> true
[22:27] <Zlatorog777> yes..im waiting 100 years for that :P
[22:27] <@Jirki88> who, Odoakar?
03[22:27] * OmXu (~omxu_pall@pool-96-235-3-232.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) has left
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[22:27] <Zlatorog777> so if you attack mod..you are banned
[22:27] <Odoakar> You made too much infractions and bans in short notice to make
your stand
[22:27] <@Hightower> Odoakar, yes we take repeated attacks on the mods very harshly
[22:27] <iDefeat> there goes anotherone
[22:27] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, it depends, it can be just an infraction
[22:27] <@Jirki88> we gave infractions to bring it back on level
[22:27] <Royalist> Odoakar, its up to the players to read the rules
[22:27] <@Jirki88> then people go lunatic at the infractions, bash the mods and get
banned
01[22:27] <+Petnquaranlor> Zlatorog777, if you attack anyone you'll get an
infraction
[22:27] <Royalist> why would they take it easier when theres violations out there
[22:28] <SageAndroid> That just antagonized people, Jirki
[22:28] <iDefeat> I just didnt't think I would be forever banned
01[22:28] <+Petnquaranlor> if you create a threan to attack anyone personally,
you'd more than likely get a short ban
[22:28] <Royalist> and let rulebreaks go just becuse theres to many breaks at the
same time
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[22:28] <Zlatorog777> wait why would i get...so i m not allowed to attack mod?
[22:28] <Odoakar> I agree...unfortunatelly I can't find a thread now where players
were banned just for noticing other players being banned
[22:28] <iDefeat> thats what i though pent
[22:28] <Ator> we all need to remind ourselves that all the forum mods are doing
this job out of personal interest, at some point everyone is a player, but it is
their job to control the forum and as such an attack on one of them is an attack
against them all,,,,so i get it why mod bashing is the worst of it
[22:28] <@Hightower> SageAndroid, you don't think attacking the mod causes
problems? They don't have the ability to get their say on the forums
[22:28] <@Jirki88> if you have complaints about a mod, you're not allowed to make a
thread about it
[22:28] <@Jirki88> then you PM Lord-Haste, or send in a ticket which Lord-Haste
will look at
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[22:28] <@Jirki88> that simple is it
[22:28] <@Jirki88> you gonna behave now, Johnh?
[22:28] <Johnh> ..back ;/
[22:28] <Johnh> gah i guess :(
[22:29] <Hanis> The mod bashing wasn't even serious though.
[22:29] <@Hightower> Odoakar, no, but we did hand out infractions. Once you get 4,
the system bans you for a short period
[22:29] <Zlatorog777> so i m not allowed to attack mod?
[22:29] <Zlatorog777> ..
[22:29] <Johnh> ...hanis.. everything is serious unless it is labled *"NOT
SERIOUS"*
12[22:29] <iDefeat> I'm just confused at why my ban for attackinga mod was forever
when i saw this ---> <+Petnquaranlor> if you create a threan to attack anyone
personally, you'd more than likely get a short ban
[22:29] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, correct, your not allowed to attack a mod
publically
[22:29] <Pintir> publically?
[22:29] <Ator> zlatorog, if you have aproblem pm the mod
[22:29] <Zlatorog777> i mean..with troops..
[22:29] <Johnh> ....why not publically?
[22:29] <Johnh> its like you guys care what we say lol.. ;/
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[22:30] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, a mod in game is not a mod
[22:30] <@Jirki88> Zlatorog777, lol, ingame you're allowed to attack mods, yes
[22:30] <@Jirki88> Johnh, we care about what people say
[22:30] <@Jirki88> if they say it right, we listen
12[22:30] <iDefeat> I'm just confused at why my ban for attackinga mod was forever
when i saw this ---> <+Petnquaranlor> if you create a threan to attack anyone
personally, you'd more than likely get a short ban
[22:30] <Zlatorog777> ok thanks..
[22:30] <Johnh> but why?
[22:30] <@Jirki88> if they say it wrong, we ban
01[22:30] <+Petnquaranlor> iDefeat, have I asnwered your question then?
[22:30] <Johnh> who really cares what we say.. do your job and forget about he
bashing
[22:30] <@Hightower> iDefeat, I told you nothing specific, stop it
[22:30] <@Hightower> We can't respond to it
[22:31] <@Hightower> and I'm not going to give you free reign to spew it
[22:31] <Odoakar> Let's talk more about forums
[22:31] <Johnh> idefeat, they don't want to deal with your situation because you
may be right :o
[22:31] <iDefeat> ok I'll sptop and PM someone
[22:31] <Odoakar> You all agree that we have, what, 4 live threads now?
[22:31] <Johnh> *im sorry*
[22:31] <Odoakar> Do you think the forums will get back to normal?
[22:31] <Zlatorog777> is EVENANTS here?
[22:31] <@Hightower> Odoakar, yes, its pretty sad
[22:31] <iDefeat> lol Johnh thats what i thought
[22:31] <@Hightower> Odoakar, eventually yes
[22:31] <Johnh> lol shhhhhh don't tell :o
[22:31] <@Jirki88> if "normal" means "spammy", no, they won't go back to normal
[22:31] <@Jirki88> if "normal" means "active", then yes, they will by time
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[22:31] <Odoakar> Spammy...you all call cecala, sage and the rest of the guys
spammers
[22:32] <Odoakar> But they did serious tribe reviews
[22:32] <Ator> odoakar, the lack of things happening in w13 is one of the reasosn,
spam was so present
[22:32] <Odoakar> Analyses
[22:32] <SageAndroid> One point I would like to make is that there were different
types of spammers.
[22:32] <Odoakar> Maos
[22:32] <@Hightower> Let Odoakar finish
[22:32] <SageAndroid> Okay.
[22:32] <@Hightower> Yes I agree Odoakar some of the spammers contributed to the
community
[22:32] <@Hightower> and like I said I don't really have a problem with the spam on
W13
[22:32] <@Hightower> I have a problem with the attack on the mod
[22:33] <Odoakar> I can understand that
[22:33] <@Hightower> spam is easy to deal with
[22:33] <@Hightower> and rarely results in a ban
[22:33] <@Hightower> go ahead, sorry
[22:33] <Odoakar> nah, I'm done:)
[22:33] <@Jirki88> true
[22:33] <@Hightower> lol
[22:33] <@Hightower> anyone else?
[22:33] <@Jirki88> we seldom ban for spam
[22:33] <@Hightower> SageAndroid, ?
[22:33] <@Jirki88> what we ban for is when people react on the infractions we may
give by creating public modbashing threads
[22:34] <Odoakar> Unfortunately the post where those guys got banned are deleted,
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so I can't make my point
[22:34] <Odoakar> As I'm sure they weren't mod bashing
[22:34] <@Jirki88> which guys?
[22:34] <Odoakar> Merely commenting about increase in bans and infractions
[22:34] <Ator> i saw that thread
[22:34] <Odoakar> cecala
[22:34] <Odoakar> stewie
[22:34] <@Hightower> Jirki88, can you undelete some of the threads, and provide
links
[22:34] <Odoakar> Sage
[22:34] <@Jirki88> give their exact usernames, Odoakar
[22:34] <Hanis> One of them were IDefeats, Odoakar.
[22:34] <@Jirki88> and it'll go way faster to search
[22:34] <@Hightower> keep them locked obviously
[22:35] <@Hightower> Just remember we will show you the threads, but we can't
discuss specific players
[22:35] <@Hightower> only the tone of the entire thread
[22:35] <shelley> Can they appeal their ban?
[22:35] <@Jirki88> well
[22:35] <@Jirki88> yes, they can
[22:35] <Ator> from what i can remember it was more of rambling about threads
getting locked than, mod bashing, but memory isnt best
[22:35] <@Hightower> shelley, sure they can
[22:35] <Odoakar> Ok, I would like to see the thread in which these players got
banned
[22:35] <@Jirki88> send in a ticket and Lord-Haste will review it
[22:35] <Odoakar> If it is allowed
[22:35] <Odoakar> Cecala
[22:35] <Hanis> IT was Ator.
[22:35] <Odoakar> SageAndroid
[22:36] <Hanis> Like a petition type thing.
[22:36] <Odoakar> Stewierules9
[22:36] <@Hightower> Odoakar, it will take a little while, the threads are buried
now
[22:36] <Odoakar> ok, no problem there
[22:36] <Odoakar> I probably spelled stewie nick wrong
[22:36] <@Hightower> Hanis, how can we allow a petition, if we can't discuss the
ban/infractions with you?
[22:36] <@Hightower> You only hear one side of the story
[22:36] <Zlatorog777> jirki...do something abautr this...
[22:36] <Zlatorog777> tell jirki to unban me
[22:36] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, stop
[22:37] <Zlatorog777> i have something else to do it that writting this..
[22:37] <@Hightower> We can't discuss specific players
[22:37] <Zlatorog777> johnh sey that to me
[22:37] <@Jirki88> lets say it simple
[22:37] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, stop listening to johnh
[22:37] <Hanis> No, I meant in one thread where Idefeat was talking about the all
the threads being shut down so quickly.
[22:37] <Zlatorog777> Okay
[22:37] <@Hightower> Jirki88, are you looking up those threads?
[22:37] <@Jirki88> one second
[22:38] <@Jirki88> well, i've found the threads in question
[22:38] <@Jirki88> none of them look too serious
[22:38] <@Hightower> while we are waiting, and that may take a while, does anyone
else have another issue?
[22:38] <@Hightower> there are plenty of bad ones
[22:38] <Ator> HT i think you have a valid point when you said mod bashing isnt
allowed, but on the other hand, as a player eventhough i dont like spam, a petiton
where someone only states that the threads are getting locked suck, is taking it a
bit far
[22:38] <@Jirki88> with the exception that they are thread no4, no5 and no7 of
their kind
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[22:38] <@Jirki88> that's why Sage, Stewie and Cecela was banned
[22:39] <@Jirki88> had it only been one created, by one of them, we wouldn't had
banned
[22:39] <@Hightower> Ator, its a discussion about moderation in a P&P section, if
you read the rules that is specifically banned
[22:39] <SageAndroid> For the record I don't dispute my ban
[22:39] <@Jirki88> but when we had deleted 5 threads and there were new created all
the time... well, then we have to start giving harder punishments
[22:39] <Odoakar> ok, thanks for clarifying that
[22:39] <@Jirki88> and then we ban
[22:39] <Ator> im just saying, that perhaps this could have been resloved in a
different manner
[22:39] <@Jirki88> we don't have much choice in such an escalating situation
[22:39] <@Hightower> Ator, how?
[22:40] <@Jirki88> maybe Ator, the problem is that when one or two guys start to
react strongly against the modding in a situation like this, other people just
follow them
[22:40] <@Hightower> wait let Ator finish
[22:40] <Ator> banning the ppl in question for a day or so and talking to them
individually
[22:40] <@Hightower> Ator, how?
[22:40] <Ator> i know its not best
[22:40] <@Hightower> those people created aliases within minutes and continued to
attack the forum
[22:40] <@Hightower> now what?
[22:40] <@Hightower> what do you do now?
[22:40] <Ator> thats a diff story then, i didnt know about the aliases
[22:41] <@Hightower> All the original bans were short, or just infractions
[22:41] <@Jirki88> mainly just infractions
[22:41] <@Hightower> The created ban evading aliases, and continued to attack the
forum
[22:41] <@Hightower> That led to long bans
[22:41] <@Jirki88> until a few guys started creating modbashing threads
[22:41] <@Hightower> and IP bans
[22:41] <@Jirki88> then it escalated, people started to get banned, and they
created aliases... yea
[22:42] <@Jirki88> that led to long bans
[22:42] <Ator> im not questioning your work, i know that when you ban you have
legit reasons, i just thought it was diff this time as i wasnt avare of the aliases
[22:42] <@Hightower> I have the links gimmie sec and I will undelete them and show
them to you guys
[22:43] <@Hightower> Ator, we just don't have any other options
[22:43] <@Hightower> They weren't talking to us
[22:43] <Odoakar> Understandable
[22:43] <@Hightower> They were attacking the forum
[22:43] <Hanis> Like was said a bit earlier I don't think mod bashing should count
as players who are curious as to what is happening in their forum and not getting
any answers or-
[22:44] <Hanis> their opinions about re-opening some threads should be punished for
it.
[22:44] <Hanis> That then leads to people getting pissed.
[22:44] <@Hightower> Hanis, they should have contacted me or another mod, as the
rules state
[22:44] <@Hightower> you are required to know the rules to use the forum
[22:44] <@Jirki88> indeed
[22:45] <@Hightower> Curiosity was not what was driving these posters
[22:45] <@Jirki88> if you have concerns about locked threads or such, you PM the
mods
[22:45] <@Jirki88> those posters, they just wanted to ruin it
[22:45] <Hanis> When you see 5+ threads locked. I think it is.
[22:45] <@Jirki88> to them, this riot most likely was "some more fun"
[22:45] <Hanis> A few of them are legit threads.
[22:46] <@Jirki88> some threads were locked because of spam
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[22:46] <@Jirki88> others because they tried to discuss bans and infractions
[22:46] <@Hightower> Yes Hanis, way in the begining some threads that used to be
leget were locked because they were spammed to death
[22:46] <@Jirki88> yet some for modbashing
[22:46] <@Hightower> If that was a problem, then contact a mod, you don't go on a
rampage through the forum
[22:46] <@Jirki88> exactly
[22:47] <@Hightower> We reopen threads all the time
[22:47] <@Hightower> why is W13 different?
[22:47] <Ator> one of the probs was as stated earlier by HT that OF wasnt present
alot, similar thing happened in w6 (sry taters)
[22:47] <@Jirki88> true
[22:47] <Taters> np
[22:47] <@Jirki88> except one thing
[22:47] <@Jirki88> OF didn't mod; Taters was just too lenient :)
[22:47] <@Hightower> Two days ago I banned a guy and deleted all of his posts, he
contacted me 10 minutes later, and I unbanned him and restored his posts. Simple
as that.
[22:48] <Taters> much love Jirki88
[22:48] <Ator> lol jirki
[22:48] <@Jirki88> hehe
[22:48] <Ator> true nontheless
[22:48] <Taters> yeah Ator i was there
[22:48] <Ator> i know taters, but i was refering to spamage
[22:48] <Taters> just let too many things go :)
[22:48] <Pintir> "Two days ago I banned a guy and deleted all of his posts, he
contacted me 10 minutes later, and I unbanned him and restored his posts. Simple as
that."
[22:49] <Pintir> why did u ban him?
[22:49] <@Hightower> http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=84483
[22:49] <@Hightower> ban evasion
[22:49] <@Hightower> but it was his brother not him
[22:49] <Pintir> ban evasion?
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[22:50] <CeCaLa> did i miss it?
[22:50] <Pintir> define it?
[22:50] <@Jirki88> yea, going around a current ban by creating another account,
Pintir
[22:50] <Odoakar> hey cecala
[22:50] <CeCaLa> hola
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[22:50] <Pintir> ok Jirki88 thanks
[22:50] <CeCaLa> yea so i guess the meeetings over...
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[22:50] <Pintir> it is?
[22:50] <CeCaLa> is it?
[22:50] <CeCaLa> thats what i was asking
[22:50] <Pintir> idk?
[22:50] <Ator> not yet
[22:51] <Hanis> No idea.
[22:51] <CeCaLa> nicee =)
[22:51] <@Jirki88> no, lol
[22:51] <Pintir> * clue less*
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[22:51] <@Jirki88> as long as me and Hightower is still here, it won't be over,
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[22:51] <shelley> wb ash
[22:51] <CeCaLa> can i get a recap of what went on?
[22:51] <@Hightower> guys I'm gonna have to hold off on showing you the threads, I
can't manages undeleting them and managing the links, and being here
[22:51] <Pintir> Okay High
[22:51] <Ator> kk HT
[22:51] <@Hightower> maybe we will wait until the end
[22:51] <Pintir> sounds fair
[22:52] <Ator> so what now, will there be a new mod assigned from the batch you are
recruiting now?
[22:52] <@Hightower> we are trying to get all the forums staffed, but we would need
a lot of mods to do that
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[22:53] <@Jirki88> indeed
[22:53] <@Hightower> any other questions statements?
01[22:53] <+Petnquaranlor> Ator, most liekly yes
[22:53] <@Lord-Haste> Gruntie
[22:53] <@Lord-Haste> he'll be the new W13 mod
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12[22:53] <Ator> i was talking to petn that a possibility of a 2 mod team per
world might be available
[22:53] <@Hightower> sounds good Gruntie is a great guy
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[22:53] <NameGoesHere> o
01[22:53] <+Petnquaranlor> not liekly Ator
[22:53] <@Hightower> speak and he arrives
[22:53] <Ashmodai> thats sad
01[22:53] <+Petnquaranlor> we'd need a lot of mods to manage that
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[22:53] <Ashmodai> Ators idea is close to mine
[22:53] <@Jirki88> Ator, we ain't got enough candidates for that
[22:53] <@Lord-Haste> him
[22:53] <@Lord-Haste> Lord_Gruntie
[22:54] <@Lord-Haste> that one
[22:54] <Cp72> Will this chat stay after the meeting?
[22:54] <@Jirki88> as it is now, we don't even have one mod per forum
[22:54] <@Jirki88> even less two
[22:54] <@Hightower> Cp72, if you want
01[22:54] <+Petnquaranlor> but we may be able to double up mods on trouble worlds
and worlds that need it, if we have enough staff
01[22:54] <+Petnquaranlor> I think it'd be a good idea HT
01[22:54] <+Petnquaranlor> as it would give people an unofficial place to vent if
need be
[22:54] <Ashmodai> I'd point out it only been a trouble world for a very short time
[22:54] <Ashmodai> but I bet that'll go down badly
01[22:54] <+Petnquaranlor> I'm adding this to my autojoin, so I at least will be
here
[22:54] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, thats true
[22:55] <@Hightower> and frankly I didn't expect this from W13
[22:55] <Lord_Gruntie> Hello :)
[22:55] <@Hightower> Its pretty much run on its own for months
01[22:55] <+Petnquaranlor> my idea is to have floaters, ashmodai, that get
reassigned wherever they are needed
[22:55] <Pintir> Jirki88, "Ator, we ain't got enough candidates for that"
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[22:55] <Pintir> you mean people willing to mod?
12[22:55] <Ashmodai> then hook me up Petn ;)
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[22:55] <@Jirki88> no
[22:55] <@Jirki88> people SUITABLE to mod
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[22:55] <@Hightower> Pintir, that and people qualified
[22:55] <Pintir> What do you mean?
01[22:55] <+Petnquaranlor> people who are willing, and people who are capable and
suitable
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[22:56] <@Jirki88> many of those who apply to be mods is ruled ut due to bad
behaviour, ingamebans and such
[22:56] <@Jirki88> if we just took on anyone we'd not have a problem
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[22:56] <CeCaLa> HT can i make a statement??
[22:56] <shelley> leaves me out
[22:56] <@Jirki88> but we have basic requirements that not everyone match
01[22:56] <+Petnquaranlor> and have the patience. you've seen the amount of flak
we get, w13 is a perfect example :P
[22:56] <@Hightower> sure
[22:56] <@Hightower> go ahead CeCaLa
[22:56] <Cp72> What about lurkers?
[22:56] <Pintir> So your saying you dont have enough mods( or qualifed mods) to
hadle all of the ingame and fourm mods?
[22:56] <NameGoesHere> Can you be mod of a world you play in?
[22:56] <Odoakar> Hmmm it kicked me out:|
01[22:56] <+Petnquaranlor> No, NameGoesHere
[22:56] <@Hightower> NameGoesHere, no you can't
[22:56] <NameGoesHere> Oh
[22:57] <@Hightower> les CeCaLa speak
[22:57] <@Jirki88> Pintir, basically correct
[22:57] <@Hightower> give him/her a sec
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[22:57] <Pintir> Ok thanks
[22:57] <@Jirki88> though we've not recruited in a high enough pace lately
[22:57] <Johnh> HT
[22:57] <@Jirki88> for one reason and another
[22:57] <Johnh> inorder to be a mod, do you have to currently play in a world?
[22:57] <@Hightower> lest CeCaLa speak
[22:57] <@Hightower> *let
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[22:57] <iDefeat> finnaly
[22:58] <@Hightower> CeCaLa you had something to say?
[22:58] <CeCaLa> I would like to say that really the forums are so bad now because
everyone is upset that OF is not modding it now. It would be a lot worse because
ive had tons of igms saying that we should all flood the forums or do something to
ruin the forum but i stopped this from happening
[22:58] <CeCaLa> People talked over most of their bans with me and the first sets
some infractions seemed really unfair
[22:58] <Ashmodai> not all of us considered OFs modding to be so brilliant Cecala,
though I do like the guy
[22:59] <CeCaLa> it wasnt brilliant
[22:59] <CeCaLa> but the guy did listen to what we said
[22:59] <@Hightower> lets not make this about OF
[22:59] <@Hightower> OF leaving had little to do with what happened, and I can't
discuss it further
[22:59] <Cp72> Everyone liked the teacher that let you slack off in class
[22:59] <@Hightower> I like OF, and he is a friend
01[22:59] <+Petnquaranlor> but they inevitably mean bad grades
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[22:59] <Johnh> yep and we still like that teacher now dont we cp72?
[22:59] <Cp72> yep
[23:00] <CeCaLa> I have received infractions from him tho...
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12[23:00] <Johnh> petn-usually when you like a teacher that lets you slack off you
tend to do better in class
[23:00] <Johnh> HT if you are a ingame mod, are you allowed to play ingame?
IDEFEAT! go ingame and read your mail ig :)
[23:00] <CeCaLa> well what is the topic on now i joined late...
[23:00] <@Jirki88> you should notice that we listen, as long as you say it in the
right way
[23:00] <Ashmodai> John, once again you're wrong
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[23:00] <@Jirki88> which means, polite in PM, not by creating angry threads in the
forums
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[23:01] <Hanis> Anything, Cecela.
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[23:01] <Hanis> Cecala*
[23:01] <CeCaLa> okk ty =)
[23:01] <@Hightower> Anyone else with a statement, comment or question?
[23:02] <CeCaLa> Does anyone else thing that the forum was fine up until the ND
INSO war started?
[23:02] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, I agree
[23:02] <Ator> no i dont think it was fine
[23:02] <CeCaLa> well not as bad?
01[23:02] <+Petnquaranlor> haha
[23:02] <Ashmodai> me neither
[23:02] <@Hightower> It wasn't hostile, it was dead
[23:02] <SageAndroid> ...
[23:02] <Royalist> the w13 forums was ever fine?
01[23:02] <+Petnquaranlor> yeah Roy, back in the beginning
01[23:02] <+Petnquaranlor> when Halp! rules teh forumz
[23:02] <CeCaLa> oh no
[23:02] <Ashmodai> what, when Gladiator was around
[23:02] <Ashmodai> lulz
[23:02] <Hanis> lol
[23:03] <CeCaLa> lmao gladiator
[23:03] <Royalist> exactly my point Ash
[23:03] <@Hightower> You also have to remember that the forums mimic the game, not
much is happening on W13
[23:03] <SageAndroid> One thing HT
[23:03] <Royalist> the w13 forums have never been fine
[23:03] <Hanis> That wasn't peace.
[23:03] <Ashmodai> and Halp! still rule the forums
[23:03] <CeCaLa> i remember the thread vpar made on him
[23:03] <Ashmodai> ;)
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[23:03] <Ator> true HT
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[23:03] <iDefeat> OF!!!!!!!!!!!
06[23:03] * Orangeflame will be in and out.
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06[23:03] * iDefeat huggles OF
[23:03] <Orangeflame> Don't expect to see much of me... Continue meeting please...
[23:03] <Ator> i think that the lack of things happening on w13 lead to spam
keeping the forum alive, kinda
[23:04] <CeCaLa> thats not what i ment HT when the ND INSO war broke out alot of
those annoying players joined the forum
[23:04] <SageAndroid> I think you should have made your "So what Heppened" thread
in the beginning, before things escalated
[23:04] <NameGoesHere> Hi OF
[23:04] <Hanis> Basicallu, Ator.
[23:04] <Ator> but then it didnt keep it so much alive as making it unreadable
[23:04] <Hanis> *Basically
[23:04] <CeCaLa> not really Ator we had a lot of statistical data going on...
[23:04] <@Hightower> Ator, true, but it can't turn into a place that is
exclusionary to the common player
[23:04] <CeCaLa> i had the countdown sage and trelos had the percentile thing
[23:04] <@Hightower> SageAndroid, I did
[23:04] <@Jirki88> well, i think you should've kept the spam in one thread and then
practiced your propagandaskills in the others
[23:04] <@Jirki88> :P
[23:04] <Ator> well i myself stopped posting on w13 due to spam
[23:04] <@Hightower> SageAndroid, it just wasn't as long
[23:05] <SageAndroid> Really?
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[23:05] <@Hightower> SageAndroid, yes
[23:05] <Royalist> Hightower there was such a thread?
[23:05] <Royalist> becuse I was just disscusing that.
[23:05] <@Hightower> http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=84603
[23:05] <@Hightower> that link
[23:06] <Zlatorog777> Hightower,Johnh> can you ask him to pm me on here?
[23:06] <@Hightower> certainly not as long, but same content
[23:06] <Royalist> I mean even before the mod bashing began, and aliases where
created
[23:06] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, stop listening to him
[23:06] <Zlatorog777> please do..hes geting in my nerve
[23:06] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, then ignore him
[23:06] <@Jirki88> ignore him then
[23:06] <Ator> im not saying all spam is bad, i like to have a laugh when i read
PnP, or read a witty comment between PnP, but thats about it
[23:06] <Zlatorog777> Okay.
[23:06] <@Jirki88> you don't want people to say "hey, cool sig, what is that
avatar?" In every thread, huh?
[23:07] <SageAndroid> HT, I'm new to this, so don't know how to answer you in the
other chat thing
[23:07] <CeCaLa> HT i think a major fix to the forums would be one account per IP
address
[23:07] <Odoakar> I dont' know if you know how w14 forums look like, but w13 ones
are whole new level for them
[23:07] <Odoakar> w14 is also full of spam
01[23:07] <+Petnquaranlor> just click it and type SageAndroid, should work
[23:07] <Odoakar> People creating aliases and avoiding bans
[23:07] <Orangeflame> I agree with Cecala
[23:07] <@Jirki88> right, i'll check that out Odoakar
[23:07] <CeCaLa> I think w10 is the worst
[23:07] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, I agree, but innogames wants to keep the options of
alias available
[23:07] <Ator> not at all jirki, i dont mind, im refering more to a decent thread
being made and getting ruined by spam after page 1
[23:07] <SageAndroid> I get this error: [ERROR] Please do not just type into this
tab, use an actual command instead.
[23:08] <@Hightower> Odoakar, lots of spam in many forums right now, we are way
understaffed.
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[23:08] <shelley> for some of us though there is multiple players on the same IP
[23:08] <@Jirki88> hmmm, btw, Odoakar, it would be helpful if you could report
spam-posts
[23:08] <@Jirki88> it's much easier for us to fix things if we're directed to where
it needs to be fixed
[23:08] <CeCaLa> I think that rule is iffy too...where a family member cant play
your account...
[23:08] <Odoakar> Ok will do that from now on
[23:08] <@Jirki88> a post is atleast 100% likelier to be handled if it's reported
:)
[23:08] <Odoakar> Sorry for little off topic, w14 isn't the subject here
[23:09] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, thats a game rule
[23:09] <CeCaLa> ooo alrite...sorry
[23:09] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, I also believe that multiple people are allowed to
play the same account, as long as they don't have an account themselves on that
same world
06[23:09] * LEXXES is away (If you need me, PM)
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[23:10] <Ashmodai> can I say something?
[23:10] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, yes, please do
[23:10] <CeCaLa> HT nope a tribemate got banned because his gf was playing
[23:10] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, then put in a ticket, because its allowed
[23:10] <Ashmodai> well
[23:10] <@Hightower> Go ahead Ashmodai
[23:10] <Ashmodai> I doubt the use of this chat, overall
[23:10] <CeCaLa> its all over he lost 47 villages and just renobbled them...
[23:10] <Ashmodai> due to the number of people
[23:10] <Ashmodai> and the tool in use
[23:11] <Ashmodai> noone will leave this entirely satisfied
[23:11] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, I didn't expect this to be perfect, just helpful
[23:11] <Ashmodai> and yet a thread would be a far better format
[23:11] <Ashmodai> surely?
[23:11] <@Jirki88> no, not really
01[23:11] <+Petnquaranlor> a thread isn't interactive Ashmodai
[23:11] <Gruntie> Well well, hello folks
01[23:11] <+Petnquaranlor> at the same level
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[23:11] <@Jirki88> people manage to write incredibly stupid things in threads, too,
because it's too easy
[23:11] <CeCaLa> I cant post in a thread...
[23:12] <@Jirki88> when you have to bother a bit to get in here
[23:12] <Ashmodai> and yet, it allows everyone to post their opinions
[23:12] <Cp72> people like answers to their questions without waiting
[23:12] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, we can't really have this on the forum, its not the
place for it
[23:12] <Ator> i think this was a gret idea
[23:12] <shelley> hello gruntie
[23:12] <@Jirki88> we close the idiots out because thye don't bother
[23:12] <Ashmodai> far more completely than this does
[23:12] <Gruntie> Hi Shelley
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[23:13] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, It just wouldn't be a good idea inside the forums
01[23:13] <+Petnquaranlor> the problem is, Ashmodai, that for every person who has
a valid opinion and a good, sensibly posted point
[23:13] <@Jirki88> just what i said..
01[23:13] <+Petnquaranlor> there are 5 people who would ignore common sense and
ruin the thread
[23:13] <@Jirki88> :P
[23:13] <Ashmodai> then perhaps
[23:13] <Ashmodai> you should create a thread, that is hidden from the common users
[23:14] <@Jirki88> no, this is better
[23:14] <Ashmodai> but in which we can submit our ideas through mails to you
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[23:14] <Ashmodai> *opinion, not ideas
[23:14] <daximus> You can already PM the mods.
[23:14] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, then that would have required authenticating W13
players, which would be a disaster
[23:14] <Ator> hm...and suggestion box?
[23:14] <@Jirki88> you who've gotten on here did it out of curiosity and because
you wanted to discuss
[23:14] <Ashmodai> good point HT
[23:14] <CeCaLa> One thing i was annoyed at was the fact i could not reveiw my
infactions while banned =/
01[23:14] <+Petnquaranlor> all elders are sugestion boxes Ator
[23:14] <Ashmodai> I'll shut up now
[23:14] <@Hightower> You have to remember that this is a volunteer organization,
Our spouses already thing we spend too much time
12[23:14] <Ator> kk petn
[23:14] <Zlatorog777> hightower,hey is for this program any skins or something..
[23:15] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, we are all using different clients
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[23:15] <@Hightower> Does anyone else wish to say anything?
[23:15] <Hanis> What was the original question? I missed it, sorry.
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[23:16] <Odoakar> So you are all working this for free?
[23:16] <@Hightower> nothing else?
[23:16] <CeCaLa> HT
[23:16] <Odoakar> Respect then
[23:16] <Taters> i do
[23:16] <CeCaLa> My perma infraction we discussed this already
[23:16] <Taters> hi people
[23:16] <Ator> HT, i have a Q?
[23:16] <Taters> i'm done now
[23:16] <CeCaLa> =(
[23:16] <@Hightower> Odoakar, we each do this for different reasons, if you talking
about compensation. We get free premium for our world accounts
[23:16] <@Hightower> but its difficult to get, so I just pay for it
[23:16] <Odoakar> Well at least that's something
[23:16] <Odoakar> Still I can apreciate your work
[23:17] <SageAndroid> I think they do it for the power, lol. ^-^
[23:17] <Odoakar> been a mod on one forum for 3 years
[23:17] <Odoakar> and now how it can get sometimes
[23:17] <@Hightower> Thank you Odoakar
[23:17] <CeCaLa> Im a forum mod in SFR
[23:17] <@Hightower> You should apply to TW
[23:17] <Ashmodai> hightower
[23:17] <CeCaLa> i know how it can get
[23:17] <@Hightower> Ashmodai, ?
[23:17] <Ashmodai> I'll say one more thing, but I'd rather do so in private
[23:17] <Ashmodai> if you can
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[23:18] <@Hightower> I can't right now, but you can PM me anything you wish
[23:18] <Ashmodai> right
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[23:18] <Ator> i know that banning a person means that he does not have acces to
the forum, but it is silly to an extent
[23:18] <CeCaLa> HT with modding besides for times like these does it take alot of
time out of your day?
[23:18] <@Hightower> So if no one has anything further to say, we can discuss how
to proceed from here
[23:18] <CeCaLa> or is it just like browsing the forum like usual
[23:18] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, it does take a heck of a lot of time
[23:18] <Ator> seeing you get banned on one world gets you banned all over
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[23:19] <SageAndroid> Ator...you do have access to forums
[23:19] <SageAndroid> if banned
[23:19] <SageAndroid> just can't post
[23:19] <@Hightower> Ator, you just lose the ability to post
[23:19] <Ator> hm...kk then
[23:19] <CeCaLa> yea being banned really isnt a loss
[23:19] <Ashmodai> gotta be said
[23:19] <@Hightower> So if no one has anything further to say, we can discuss how
to proceed from here
[23:19] <Ator> never been banned before, i just have an infraction from HT
[23:19] <Ashmodai> if you have auto-login on
[23:19] <Ashmodai> being banned sucks
[23:19] <CeCaLa> nope
[23:19] <CeCaLa> i used opera
[23:19] <CeCaLa> and i can see forums
[23:19] <SageAndroid> Use different browser...
[23:20] <@Hightower> Lord_Gruntie, do you want to say anything?
[23:20] <Ashmodai> obviously Sage, but its more hassle thats uneeded
[23:20] <CeCaLa> where did OF go?
[23:20] <Lord_Gruntie> Not at the moment HT
[23:20] <@Hightower> He is still here
[23:20] <@Hightower> he is just AFK
[23:20] <@Jirki88> he's lurking!
[23:20] <CeCaLa> he said he got the boot
[23:21] <@Hightower> He still shows up on my list as in discussion
[23:21] <@Jirki88> same
[23:21] <SageAndroid> He's spamming me to death....
[23:21] <Odoakar> I think we can start closing this, right HT?
[23:21] <@Jirki88> lol
[23:21] <Odoakar> As everything is said I believe
[23:21] <Orangeflame> wha.
[23:21] <@Hightower> So what do you want from us to make the forums more
comfortable to use?
[23:21] <Orangeflame> No, i'm spamming Royalist to death...
[23:21] <Orangeflame> The rest of you, can't complain...
has left #W13
[23:22] <Royalist> heh
06[23:22] * Orangeflame goes back to Royalist
[23:22] <CeCaLa> I got a few suggestions...
[23:22] <@Hightower> Do you want the spam thread restored? I can do that
[23:22] <Odoakar> Hard to say
[23:22] <Odoakar> Spam should be controled
[23:22] <@Jirki88> if it's just in one thread, that's good
[23:22] <Orangeflame> Agreed... There was too much spam, in too many places...
[23:22] <Lord_Gruntie> I'll try to respect the integrity of people as much as I can
but it has to be within the rules so no extreme things
[23:22] <@Hightower> Odoakar, I agree it needs to be kept out of the P&P threads
[23:22] <@Jirki88> a spamthread is useful, but it gotta be kept in there then
[23:22] <Cp72> at least I would know what thread not to click on
[23:22] <Odoakar> But that's a work for more than one person:|
[23:22] <Ator> i dont mind some spam, but it would be best to have most of it ib
the spam thread
[23:23] <CeCaLa> there should be some spam allowed a found that it keeps the
community happy
[23:23] <Ator> true cecala
[23:23] <CeCaLa> like not a total no spam policy
[23:23] <Orangeflame> But, there has to be a certain level of integrity.
01[23:23] <+Petnquaranlor> indeed
[23:23] <@Hightower> The one thing that is an issue is the hostility and personal
attacks, if the spam gets like that its not welcome
01[23:23] <+Petnquaranlor> it can't all be spam
[23:23] <Cp72> is it keeping the community happy or the 5 spammers?
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[23:24] <CeCaLa> HT befor the bannings were issued
01[23:24] <+Petnquaranlor> the more P&P you have, the more spam you're allowed
[23:24] <CeCaLa> there was no hostilityu
[23:24] <Royalist> I think its even silly to call it a spam thread
[23:24] <Orangeflame> HT, just out of curiousity... Can I ask you a quick PM
question, before I say something here, that maybe shouldn't be said?
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01[23:24] <+Petnquaranlor> it's technically not the amount of spam that matters
[23:24] <Royalist> as spam for spamming is just pointless.
01[23:24] <+Petnquaranlor> it's the proportion of the posts that are spam
[23:24] <Odoakar> Well I think the main problem right now is that there is nothing
happening in game of w13
[23:24] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, There was, it just wasn't address at the mods
01[23:25] <+Petnquaranlor> I have something to say
[23:25] <@Hightower> Orangeflame, not unless your authed
[23:25] <Ator> dodakar that is w13 problem since flux ialone war
[23:25] <Odoakar> Agreed
12[23:25] <@Hightower> Petnquaranlor, go ahead
[23:25] <Orangeflame> oh...
01[23:25] <+Petnquaranlor> I just copy and pasted this chat
[23:25] <Orangeflame> rats
01[23:25] <+Petnquaranlor> and it is too gaddamn long
01[23:25] <+Petnquaranlor> and I hate you all for having to do it
[23:25] <@Hightower> I have the whole thing recorded
01[23:25] <+Petnquaranlor> :P
01[23:25] <+Petnquaranlor> yeah, so do I now...
[23:25] <CeCaLa> ooo HT i know where...
12[23:25] <Ator> petn, there is no need to post this anywhere
[23:25] <CeCaLa> Gropius =/
[23:25] <@Jirki88> lol
[23:26] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, ?
[23:26] <@Jirki88> i have everything logged too
[23:26] <@Jirki88> :p
[23:26] <Odoakar> Some people couldn't make it here, although they wanted
[23:26] <Ator> those who wanted to be heared joined here, now
01[23:26] <+Petnquaranlor> I'm uploading it so that people who weren't here who
want to see it can, Ator, it won't be on the forums though
[23:26] <CeCaLa> its the guy that was calling me names =(
[23:26] <CeCaLa> that was the reason that thread was deleted haha
01[23:27] <+Petnquaranlor> thick skin is the name of the game cecala
01[23:27] <+Petnquaranlor> if someone insults you, you don't have to take the bait
[23:27] <CeCaLa> haha he was just that hot tempered type
[23:27] <Odoakar> The solution to all this...to keep the moderation on the same
level, and eventually people will get used to it
[23:27] <CeCaLa> its fun to watch them lose it
[23:27] <Ator> i find it that taking the bait works very well, but in the sense
that you tease him into submission
[23:27] <Odoakar> Now people are somewhat shocked as after OF came HT
[23:28] <Odoakar> And I needn't tell the difference in modding there
[23:28] <@Hightower> true
[23:28] <@Jirki88> just be glad it was OF -> HT and not OF -> Jirki
[23:28] <@Jirki88> :p
[23:28] <Orangeflame> lol
[23:28] <Ator> lol
[23:28] <Orangeflame> I don't know Jirki...
[23:28] <Royalist> lol amen to that
06[23:28] * Orangeflame continues his silence...
[23:28] <Royalist> no pun ofcourse Jirki.
[23:28] <CeCaLa> I liked my signature too
[23:29] <@Jirki88> pun?
[23:29] <@Jirki88> o.O
[23:29] <Ator> i think ppl tend to forget sometimes that mods are ppl aswell
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[23:29] <Orangeflame> lol @ Royalist
[23:29] <SageAndroid> Hopefully PURE. will spice up the forum for ya guys, soon,
cyas
[23:29] <CeCaLa> I think people forget to realize this is a game aswell
[23:29] <Odoakar> Well, I know, when mods are 'hated', it jist means they are doing
their job
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[23:29] <@Jirki88> lol CeCaLa
[23:29] <Ator> true cecala
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[23:30] <CeCaLa> ill show some IGMs after people were banned haha
[23:30] <@Jirki88> people just hates me because i'm strict
[23:30] <CeCaLa> have you been banned from the outside forum as well its bullshit
this everyone is getting banned ive been banned for about 5 different things this
is bullshit we should make an external forum to annoy highlander
[23:30] <Ator> i have never encountered you jirki, so i wouldnt really know
[23:31] <CeCaLa> I told him he could start by calling him HighTower
[23:31] <Royalist> highlander lol
[23:31] <@Jirki88> Ator, you're almost unique then! ;)
[23:32] <CeCaLa> jirki u gave me 1 infraction i think
[23:32] <Ator> might be jirki, as i do only have one infraction aswell
[23:32] <Ator> lol
[23:32] <CeCaLa> my sig was 100 pixels
[23:32] <@Jirki88> yup
[23:32] <CeCaLa> i acutally only had 4 total infractions before this all started
[23:32] <@Jirki88> signatures... i'm the one who gives most infractions for that
[23:32] <CeCaLa> and all were spread out
[23:32] <@Jirki88> nobody else really cares about signatures >_<
[23:32] <@Hightower> bastard
[23:32] <Ator> i got mine from HT for quoting smth i shouldnt have
[23:32] <@Jirki88> but i go by the rules, so i make the rules be obeyed :)
[23:33] <@Jirki88> every rule is important!
[23:33] <CeCaLa> thats a rule that should be changed
[23:33] <@Lord-Haste> Why
[23:33] <@Jirki88> signatures? why?
[23:33] <CeCaLa> 60 pixels is just too small
[23:33] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, the problem is everyone goes right to the limit
[23:33] <@Jirki88> you're allowed 80 now
[23:33] <CeCaLa> ooo it was changed ty
[23:33] <@Hightower> too large of a signature is annoying
[23:33] <Lord_Gruntie> The rule goes up to 80pixels depending if you want text
[23:33] <Odoakar> I remember, back when I was on dial-up
[23:33] <CeCaLa> can we put sigs in spoilers?
[23:33] <Odoakar> I hated people with gif sigs
[23:33] <@Jirki88> the point with a signature is not to make it the biggest...
rather the coolest
[23:33] <Odoakar> And with large avatars
[23:33] <Royalist> I never had infractions..
[23:34] <@Jirki88> we don't allow .gif-sigs
[23:34] <@Jirki88> animated pics are forbidden in signatures :p
[23:34] <@Jirki88> no matter the size of them
[23:34] <@Hightower> Gif sigs are allowed, animated gifs are not
[23:34] <@Jirki88> oh
[23:34] <Odoakar> :P
[23:34] <@Jirki88> i thought all .gif were animated
[23:34] <@Jirki88> my bad
[23:34] <@Jirki88> :D
[23:34] <NameGoesHere> Why not animated ones?
[23:34] <@Hightower> it distracts the users
[23:34] <Odoakar> Because they slow down the loading of a page
[23:34] <@Jirki88> because those are annoying and makes it hard to read threads
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[23:34] <@Ranbaxy> Signatures and Avatars
[23:34] <Odoakar> And that
02[23:34] * @Ranbaxy (~ranbaxytw@host86-134-13-121.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
Quit (Excess Flood)
[23:34] <CeCaLa> haha they should be allowed if we use spoilers
[23:34] <@Jirki88> no
[23:35] <CeCaLa> that does not hide the image?
[23:35] <@Jirki88> what you put in spoilers goes under the signature rule too
[23:35] <@Hightower> Remember these rules were invented by innogames to annoy the
players, they were invented BY the players
[23:35] <Ator> im getting the feel for jirki, everything by the book
[23:35] <@Jirki88> we need it like that, because otherwise people can put porn or
such in it without us being able to do anything
01[23:35] <+Petnquaranlor> and remember that every mod is also a player
03[23:35] * Tracey (~ranbaxytw@host86-134-13-121.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
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03[23:35] * Q sets mode: +o Tracey
[23:35] <@Hightower> players that come here for the game alone, don't want to see
the spam, and giant signature images
[23:35] <@Jirki88> hehe, that's right Ator :p
12[23:35] <Royalist> Petn that was a overstatement
[23:35] <Royalist> I feel your eye when you speak to me nowdays :(
[23:35] <NameGoesHere> Hm
[23:36] <Royalist> you are not a player anymore!
01[23:36] <+Petnquaranlor> lol Roy
[23:36] <NameGoesHere> Can you put a spoiler inside a spoiler?
[23:36] <NameGoesHere> And on
01[23:36] <+Petnquaranlor> Amune better be creating Nukes as we speak
12[23:36] <Ator> i resent that as a coplayer of petn
[23:36] <CeCaLa> name...sage was infracted for that
[23:36] <Ator> ofcourse hes a player first
[23:36] <CeCaLa> in the spamming thread
[23:36] <@Jirki88> NameGoesHere, ofc you can, but if you do it in a signature it'll
eventually violate the height rule
[23:36] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, frankly we don't know what to do about spoilers yet,
we are discussing it
[23:36] <Ator> silly roy
01[23:36] <+Petnquaranlor> yes, NameGoesHere, but it's highly, highly annoying
[23:36] <NameGoesHere> Lol
[23:36] <NameGoesHere> Well
[23:36] <NameGoesHere> Don't click the spoiler =/
[23:36] <@Jirki88> have to
01[23:37] <+Petnquaranlor> to check
[23:37] <@Jirki88> what if it's porn inside it?
06[23:37] * Orangeflame exits stage right.
[23:37] <NameGoesHere> Oh, mods do
[23:37] <Orangeflame> In a minute...
01[23:37] <+Petnquaranlor> yeah
01[23:37] <+Petnquaranlor> think about the mods
[23:37] <NameGoesHere> But regulars dont
01[23:37] <+Petnquaranlor> for once? :P
[23:37] <NameGoesHere> Eh I'll just keep my current sig
01[23:37] <+Petnquaranlor> yeah, but we use the forums as well NameGoesHere
[23:37] <CeCaLa> i liked my old siggy =/
[23:37] <NameGoesHere> lol
01[23:37] <+Petnquaranlor> what you're asying is "oh, they don't matter, they're
just mods"
[23:37] <CeCaLa> i got + rep for it
[23:37] <NameGoesHere> Oh I am?
12[23:38] <Ator> i think petn that you are trying to avoid w13 forum as a mod as
much as possible, due to the reason you play it, right?
[23:38] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, but why would a player that wants to use the forums
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for the game, want to see everyone with 100 pixel sigs, it takes up too much screen
space.
01[23:38] <+Petnquaranlor> uh huh
[23:38] <@Jirki88> yea, we're not supposed to mod forums we play
[23:38] <CeCaLa> no my old siggy was 60
02[23:38] * Johnh (~chatzilla@pool-98-112-151-117.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) Quit
(Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208])
06[23:38] * Orangeflame exits stage left...
02[23:38] * Orangeflame (~Scorch739@c-71-230-125-49.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit
(Quit: Woot.)
[23:38] <@Jirki88> it's the same thing with HT in w3, me on w2...
[23:38] <CeCaLa> u said it was offensive or sum
[23:38] <CeCaLa> i had the vida guerra sig
[23:38] <Royalist> can the signatures realy mean THAT much?
[23:38] <Pintir> Guys, Is the meeting over?
[23:38] <Ator> HT plays w3? my noob world
[23:38] <Ator> lol
[23:38] <@Hightower> I have no idea what a vida guerra is
[23:39] <Zlatorog777> Hightower,what means [INFO] No such nick
[23:39] <CeCaLa> the 1 with the beautiful butt
[23:39] <@Hightower> You played W3, and never heard of me?
[23:39] <Royalist> vida guerra is something you would drool over Hightower
[23:39] <NameGoesHere> Zlatorog777 did you try to PM someone?
[23:39] <Zlatorog777> yes
[23:39] <NameGoesHere> Oh
[23:39] <@Jirki88> Royalist, go get a 56k-modem and you'll think signatures means
alot...
[23:39] <Ator> hightower, in my defence i was a noob
[23:39] <NameGoesHere> No one is using the nick you PMd
[23:39] <NameGoesHere> At the moment
[23:39] <Pintir> > Guys, Is the meeting over?
[23:39] <Hanis> I think so.
[23:39] <Ator> i have my first and only thread in w3 forum
[23:39] <Royalist> Jirki, I was talking to them wanting big ones
[23:39] <@Hightower> Pintir, it appears so
[23:39] <Odoakar> It should be
[23:39] <Odoakar> It's going off topic slowly
[23:40] <@Hightower> it is degrading quickly :)
[23:40] <Ator> yeah its over
[23:40] <Royalist> and Im perfectly fine with my 100mbits broadband
[23:40] <Pintir> Ok
[23:40] <@Jirki88> lol
[23:40] <@Jirki88> lucky bastard ;)
[23:40] <Ator> HT, which tribe?
[23:40] <@Hightower> 6XiG6, RED OAK, ROA
[23:40] <@Hightower> same tribe different names
[23:40] <Royalist> hehe ;P
[23:40] <@Hightower> OAK SHEILD
[23:41] <CeCaLa> you know what i dont see anymore?
[23:41] <CeCaLa> i dont see too many warnings
[23:41] <CeCaLa> like this thread is going off topic
[23:41] <CeCaLa> its just lock
[23:41] <Ator> hmm...to be honest the only ppl i remember are ender, simner,
omnitank, mikey667,...
[23:41] <Ator> and a few more
[23:41] <@Jirki88> in older worlds, people is supposed to know the rules, CeCaLa
[23:41] <@Hightower> Without a dedicated mod in that world, you won't
[23:41] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, Without a dedicated mod in that world, you won't
[23:42] <Ator> w3 is actually the most behaved world i have played, forum wise
[23:42] <Lord_Gruntie> No it's not...
[23:42] <Lord_Gruntie> :P
[23:42] <Ator> lol
[23:42] <@Hightower> Unless someone has the time to monitor what is going on, it
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gets locked instead
[23:42] <CeCaLa> w10 is a complette disaster
[23:42] <Ator> it was when i played
[23:42] <CeCaLa> minishaw+bluedot(luzzu) kill that forum
[23:42] <@Hightower> http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=82777&page=4
[23:42] <@Hightower> take a look at that
[23:42] <Royalist> w10 is horrible indeed
[23:43] <Royalist> whatever that got to do with this chat
[23:43] <@Jirki88> w3 is one of the worst forums... or was atleast
[23:43] <CeCaLa> That was the best thread ever
[23:43] <NameGoesHere> Lol
[23:43] <Royalist> untill Jirki showed up
[23:43] <@Hightower> Ranbaxy warned the thread and they just kept going
[23:43] <Pintir> Since this is over, Bai guys... See u in da fourms!
[23:43] <Zlatorog777> hightower,how do you post a video into tribal forum in game?
[23:43] <@Jirki88> when Scarge, Ace Of Spades, daddyjay, Miyelir and them were
going crazy all-around
[23:43] <@Hightower> Pintir, cya
[23:43] <Pintir> * waves goodbye#
[23:43] <Pintir> * *
[23:43] <Zlatorog777> bye
02[23:44] * Pintir (~chatzilla@ool-457c35c2.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit:
ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208])
[23:44] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, you post a link to youtube
[23:44] <@Hightower> thats about it
[23:44] <Ator> HT, stewie went over the top with the relax post, if you ask me
[23:44] <Ator> thats why it got closed
[23:44] <Zlatorog777> i know but how to uplod it like a picutre with code
[img][/img]
[23:44] <NameGoesHere> Which post?
[23:44] <Zlatorog777> or osmething...
[23:44] <Zlatorog777> something*
[23:44] <NameGoesHere> I missed all the threads lol
[23:44] <@Hightower> Zlatorog777, you can't
[23:44] <Zlatorog777> :(
[23:44] <NameGoesHere> I was gone for a week when this all happened
[23:44] <CeCaLa> imagine if they allowed that
[23:45] <Zlatorog777> phew..CeCaLa we can in our external :P
[23:45] <@Hightower> oreyn bearclaw, and Stewierules9, ruined it
[23:45] <Royalist> Ash dosent deserve that thread anyhow
[23:45] <Ator> lol
06[23:45] * Royalist hides from Ash
[23:45] <CeCaLa> it was more of a P&P move against flux
[23:46] <CeCaLa> thats y it was created
[23:46] <CeCaLa> worked very well too
[23:46] <Ator> not really cecala
[23:46] <Hanis> What..
[23:46] <Ator> first of all shards created it
[23:46] <Ator> secondly, it has nothing to do with flux
[23:46] <CeCaLa> i know but one of her rules was directly associated to gicusan
[23:46] <Ator> it was?
[23:46] <CeCaLa> yes
[23:47] <CeCaLa> the 2+ tribes is a family
03[23:47] * Q sets mode: +o Lord_Gruntie
[23:47] <Odoakar> 3) Any tribe with a second branch, be it academy or otherwise, is
a family tribe. Those who are in such tribe in denial of their family tribe nature
will be laughed at on the spot.
[23:47] <Odoakar> That was aimed at Flux, I believe
[23:47] <CeCaLa> that 1
[23:47] <CeCaLa> see =)
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[23:47] <Ator> hm...well i didnt see it as that
[23:47] <Royalist> Cecala it dosent make the thread P&P vs flux
[23:47] <CeCaLa> it wasnt fully
[23:47] <Royalist> generally if you disslike someone, you try to flame them as much
as you can ;)
[23:48] <CeCaLa> but it was an added blow
[23:48] <Boys> lol i come on the first name is see is cec
[23:48] <Ator> oh HT, one more thing, i think having an irc chat for w13 isnt a bad
idea
03[23:48] * Boys is now known as mph10
[23:48] <@Lord_Gruntie> Ok, seeing as I'm going to be your new mod. I would like to
hear some of your suggestions here or in PM. What do want to see me doing? If they
are constructive, I'm sure I could work something out.
[23:48] <mph10> there we go changed name...
[23:48] <@Hightower> I made Lord_Gruntie a OP for this channel, if you guys want to
continue using it he can keep it open indefenately
[23:48] <Odoakar> Keep the moderation on the same, high level
[23:48] <Odoakar> treat everyone the same
03[23:48] * Hightower changes topic to 'W13 Official IRC Channel'
[23:48] <Odoakar> Try to warn before locking, banning, infracting
[23:49] <CeCaLa> i got an idea
[23:49] <CeCaLa> if a persons join date is within the past 10 days
[23:49] <CeCaLa> and they just come on to flame
[23:49] <CeCaLa> they receive an auto ban
[23:49] <iDefeat> yeah!!!
[23:49] <iDefeat> i havent made an alias
[23:49] <@Jirki88> they usually get pembanned if they're newcreated accounts
without any sensible posts
[23:49] <Royalist> flame isnt against the rules
[23:49] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, lol I wish
[23:49] <Odoakar> What's wrong with flaming?
[23:50] <@Lord-Haste> Flaming is allowed
[23:50] <iDefeat> Flamming is a pin in the ass...
[23:50] <Odoakar> Flame > Spam
[23:50] <Ator> flaming = PnP
[23:50] <iDefeat> pain*
[23:50] <CeCaLa> look at that idiot hold up let me get is name
[23:50] <@Lord-Haste> The forums = not a nice place
[23:50] <@Hightower> You just can't take it to a personal level
[23:50] <Royalist> flaming is problary the best part of P&P
[23:50] <CeCaLa> ator saying this tribe sucks
01[23:50] <+Petnquaranlor> flaming in reference to in game stuff = allowed
[23:50] <CeCaLa> is not not P&P
[23:50] <Royalist> it is P&P
01[23:50] <+Petnquaranlor> flaming in relation to personal stuff = not allowed
[23:50] <Odoakar> cecala when you get the time, check your private window here
03[23:50] * Lord_Gruntie sets mode: +b *!*@Taters.users.quakenet.org
[23:50] <mph10> what was the topic of this channel meant to be?
[23:50] <Hanis> Like how I owned Ashmodai. That was fun. :D
03[23:50] * Taters was kicked by Lord_Gruntie (Taters)
[23:50] <Ator> cecala, everyone can express opinions about another tribe
[23:50] <NameGoesHere> Wait
[23:51] <Ator> im not saying he did it in the most compelling manner though
[23:51] <NameGoesHere> Why cant you register on quake
[23:51] <CeCaLa> mph ur an hour late haha
01[23:51] <+Petnquaranlor> you can
[23:51] <@Hightower> NameGoesHere, you can
[23:51] <CeCaLa> 2 hours late*
[23:51] <mph10> lol only got on now
[23:51] <NameGoesHere> dhell
[23:51] <@Hightower> NameGoesHere, http://www.quakenet.org/faq/faq.php?c=1
[23:51] <NameGoesHere> Is it /ns register pass email?
[23:51] <mph10> i should be in bed its the midle of the night where i am
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01[23:51] <+Petnquaranlor> nope
[23:52] <@Hightower> NameGoesHere, go to the link I game you
[23:52] <NameGoesHere> I did
[23:52] <NameGoesHere> It's kind of confusing
[23:52] <CeCaLa> i really want to be unbanned so i can say bye to dvtgirl
[23:52] <@Jirki88> lol
[23:52] <NameGoesHere> Can you chose your vhost?
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[23:52] <@Hightower> NameGoesHere, yes it is confusing
[23:52] <Ator> for instance cecala, i really enjoied the halp noname thread, which
was pure flame by firekat
[23:52] <NameGoesHere> Heh
05[23:52] -Q- The following commands are available to you.
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05[23:52] -Q- AUTHHISTORY View auth history for an account.
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[23:53] <NameGoesHere> I'll register when I use Quake for more than this
[23:53] <mph10> so what has been happening in the past 1hr 50mins??
[23:53] <Royalist> Im heading of this channel now
[23:53] <CeCaLa> i mean she even mentioned me in her post
[23:53] <CeCaLa> Special thanks again to Cecala
[23:53] <Odoakar> You'll have this on forum
[23:53] <NameGoesHere> Im already on 3 other servers anyway
[23:53] <Odoakar> I hope
01[23:53] <+Petnquaranlor> cya Royalist
[23:53] <Royalist> will be interesting to see Gruntie in action, great guy.
[23:53] <Ator> mph, some constructive talks, about the future
[23:53] <Royalist> seeya peeps
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[23:53] <Ator> cya
[23:53] <CeCaLa> cya
[23:53] <@Lord_Gruntie> Thanks Roy
[23:53] <mph10> i gues that ended then?
03[23:54] * iDefeat is now known as `iDefeat`AWAY
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[23:54] <@Hightower> I appreciate the way most of you handled yourselves in here,
It was much better than I expected :)
[23:54] <CeCaLa> hmmm 4 more days till im unbanned
[23:54] <Ator> well im off to bed aswell, hope to see all of you here again, even
the mods
[23:54] <@Hightower> gn Ator
[23:54] <CeCaLa> LG can i call u that?
01[23:55] <+Petnquaranlor> cya Ator
[23:55] <CeCaLa> cya
[23:55] <mph10> what "constructive" ideas have been floating around?
[23:55] <Ator> bye all
[23:55] <CeCaLa> ooo HT i got a good suggestion
[23:55] <CeCaLa> =)
[23:55] <@Hightower> ?
[23:56] <CeCaLa> it would be better if like the moderators talked more in the
forums
[23:56] <CeCaLa> like most times i see a moderator talk
[23:56] <CeCaLa> is when they lock a topic
[23:56] <@Hightower> CeCaLa, I talk like crazy, but I can't be everywhere.
[23:56] <Odoakar> I think it would take them too much time to post
[23:56] <@Hightower> I wasn't kidding when I said we were short mods
[23:56] <CeCaLa> but ur an elder
[23:56] <@Hightower> We need like 15 more
[23:56] <CeCaLa> im talking the forum mod
[23:56] <@Jirki88> when we're Elders, we have to cover up where we lack mods
[23:57] <@Jirki88> right now, that's covering up more than half the forums
[23:57] <Odoakar> And if they aren't playing the world, what can they say that's
not off topic in most cases
[23:57] <@Jirki88> and two Elders isn't at full activity atm
[23:57] <@Hightower> I rarely even get to read my own forum
[23:57] <mph10> so the other half is spam...
01[23:57] <+Petnquaranlor> CeCaLa, easier said than done, sometimes there's so
much to do that it's hard to find the time to talk
[23:57] <@Jirki88> so it's like five of us doing fifteen mods jobs and at the same
time handling what we usually do
[23:57] <@Jirki88> >_<
[23:57] <@Hightower> and I got some killer P&P pics :)
[23:57] <CeCaLa> but all you are elders
[23:57] <CeCaLa> im saying that a regular 1 world mod
[23:57] <@Hightower> http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6151/pdmds8.png
[23:58] <@Hightower> http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3225/pdmyd5.gif
[23:58] <@Hightower> http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9378/pdmfh4.png
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[23:58] <daximus> What you're saying is they should force the mods to be more
chatty
[23:58] <NameGoesHere> Shit
[23:58] <NameGoesHere> Odoakar
[23:58] <daximus> Which is nonsense
[23:58] <CeCaLa> ive used the 2nd 1 before
[23:58] <CeCaLa> =)
02[23:58] * Tpel (~tepelstee@d54C32C09.access.telenet.be) Quit (Quit)
[23:58] <@Hightower> My favortie:
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6043/pdmka0.gif
[23:58] <mph10> pdm?
[23:58] <CeCaLa> when my tribe won against a tribe 3x the size
[23:58] <NameGoesHere> Odoakar can you give me the tribe description lol
[23:58] <CeCaLa> noo it was EARTH =)
[23:58] <NameGoesHere> I deleted a part of it
[23:59] <Odoakar> Will do. You should contact me in game for that
[23:59] <CeCaLa> brb i gotta eat
[23:59] <NameGoesHere> Eh
[23:59] <Odoakar> Let's not bother people with that
[23:59] <NameGoesHere> Your not in gam
[23:59] <NameGoesHere> e
[23:59] <NameGoesHere> Are you?
[23:59] <Odoakar> Give me a sec
[23:59] <mph10> cec, u used the destruction of earth thing didnt you?
[23:59] <Odoakar> What's a PMD stand for?
[23:59] <@Hightower> PDM, its a tribe
[23:59] <mph10> ye i wanna know
[23:59] <@Hightower> something lame I'm sure
[23:59] <mph10> whats the full tribe name?
[23:59] <@Hightower> we are killing them
Session Time: Fri Aug 22 00:00:00 2008
[00:00] <@Hightower> PARADIGM
[00:00] <@Hightower> lame
[00:00] <mph10> lol
[00:00] <@Hightower> pwned
[00:01] <mph10> tw needs a really cool tribe full rapping asian dudes
01[00:01] <+Petnquaranlor> :S
01[00:01] <+Petnquaranlor> orrrr not
[00:01] <mph10> they would be called "the perpetual motion squad"
[00:01] <@Hightower> We had one on W3 that was all Taiwanese, all from the same
company, they were killer warriors
[00:02] <@Lord_Gruntie> Any other suggestions?
[00:02] <@Hightower> good foes, but no P&P obviously
[00:02] <mph10> p&p?
[00:02] <mph10> post and packaging lol?
[00:02] <@Hightower> Politics and propaganda
[00:02] <mph10> oh....
[00:02] <@Hightower> the forum
[00:02] <Hanis> We can all call them 'Drift Kings' like from Fast and the Furious.
[00:03] <@Hightower> Thats what the worlds used to be called
[00:03] <@Hightower> You used to have to do all of your posts in-character. P&P
only, no spam at all
[00:03] <mph10> lol, must have been pretty quiet there
[00:04] <mph10> easy job
[00:05] <@Hightower> it was hell on the mods
[00:05] <Odoakar> Hah at first I though pnp was pen and paper
[00:05] <mph10> hey can anyone tell me where i can get one of those tw sigs from
that show your stats?
[00:05] <@Hightower> ok, I need to step away, I will bbl 30m
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[00:05] <@Hightower> twstats has sigs I think
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[00:05] <@Hightower> bbl
[00:06] <ShadowKills> yeah, twstats has sigs
[00:06] <mph10> like with ratio killed and what not?
[00:06] <ShadowKills> i believe so
[00:06] <mph10> ok ill check it out
[00:06] <ShadowKills> i think twsigs is one that has one as well
[00:06] <ShadowKills> but it's been a while :)
[00:07] <CeCaLa> ok im back
[00:07] <CeCaLa> sooo i think i got a good idea...
[00:07] <@Lord_Gruntie> Shoot
[00:08] <@Lord_Gruntie> I'm always listening for suggestions
[00:08] <CeCaLa> how bout moderator for a day just so people could dip their feet
in the water on moderation
[00:08] <@Jirki88> lol
[00:08] <CeCaLa> instead of a whole i dont know what im getting myself into
[00:08] <@Jirki88> wouldn't work as it is now
[00:08] <CeCaLa> haha
[00:08] <CeCaLa> ok
[00:08] <@Jirki88> we need full force first, otherwise we wouldn't have time to
supervise them
[00:09] <Odoakar> One should know the rules before modding
[00:09] <CeCaLa> kk
[00:09] <@Jirki88> hard to supervise someone if we have to keep an eye on three
forums each or so
[00:09] <Odoakar> Do you want to learn all rules?
[00:09] <CeCaLa> and my other suggestion was the level of spam content should be
decided on the thread
[00:10] <Kathi> my question to that would be who decides how much spam
[00:10] <mph10> hey what was that site, twsigs, could someone give me the adress?
[00:10] <Odoakar> Users
[00:10] <Odoakar> Can the reputation system be used for something useful?
[00:11] <CeCaLa> well
[00:11] <CeCaLa> like a war thread
[00:11] <CeCaLa> lil spam is wanted
03[00:11] * Zlatorog777_ (~chatzilla@89-212-125-47.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) has joined
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[00:11] <CeCaLa> but like a less serious thread should have more spam allowed
[00:11] <@Lord_Gruntie> Spam can stay in the newly opened spam thread.
[00:11] <@Lord_Gruntie> The forum is for Politics and Propoganda. Basically,
banter.
[00:12] <Kathi> if u have a spam thread why spam any where else
[00:12] <@Lord_Gruntie> not mindless posting that means nothing
[00:12] <@Jirki88> reputation system can never work for that
[00:13] <@Jirki88> people trade reputation, people give rep to "popular spammers"
and all that
[00:13] <@Jirki88> wouldn't work well
[00:14] <CeCaLa> i have over 30 rep =)
[00:15] <CeCaLa> but i worked for it
[00:15] <xarglethegreat> what about Tw related but distinctly non serious threads?
[00:15] <CeCaLa> yea thats what im saying
[00:15] <@Jirki88> like what?
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timeout)
03[00:16] * Zlatorog777_ is now known as Zlatorog777
[00:16] <xarglethegreat> I mean I auctioned of the rights to name my villages it
aint exactly a war thread and was intended to be fun
[00:17] <CeCaLa> if its only things that happen in w13 the forum gets boring and
dies
[00:17] <CeCaLa> sometimes moderators elimanate the fun factor
[00:17] <xarglethegreat> could be spam and it certainly wasnt the most serious
thread would this be locked or called spam?
[00:19] <Odoakar> Off to a good night sleep
[00:19] <Odoakar> Cya
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3.0.1/2008070208])
[00:19] <@Jirki88> well
[00:19] <@Jirki88> if it stays ontopic
[00:19] <@Jirki88> it's allowed
[00:19] <ShadowKills> hey Lord_Gruntie, in your new modding scheme, are you going
to be more strict or more to the laid back side?
[00:20] <@Jirki88> sadly, such threads tend to turn into discussions about whether
a spear is pointy or not if you stick it in the eye or something like that
[00:20] <@Lord_Gruntie> That would depend on how you react
[00:20] <CeCaLa> actually no
[00:20] <ShadowKills> the blunt end works just as well Jirki88
[00:20] <CeCaLa> i have never seen a thread go to that
[00:20] <@Jirki88> lol
[00:20] <CeCaLa> like where the topic does a complete 180
[00:20] <@Jirki88> i have, many times :P
[00:21] <CeCaLa> w13 spam was ontopic spam
[00:21] <CeCaLa> i mean imo it was not as bad as people make it out to be
[00:21] <@Jirki88> no, but still bad compared to the average we allow in other
forums
[00:22] <Cp72> I have never seen people fight so hard for spam lol
[00:22] <CeCaLa> well it seems that now all forums are in bad shape
[00:22] <xarglethegreat> if no one is complaining about it and its not derailing a
war thread does it matter if it is spam? no harm no foul.
[00:23] <CeCaLa> yea thats the point im saying too
[00:23] <mph10> sorry for cutting in but my signiture isn't working... could
someone help?
[00:23] <Cp72> its good content that people can join in on the conversation that
people should be fighting for
[00:23] <mph10>
[url=http://twsigs.gfx-dose.de/sigs/en13/1532062.png][img]http://twsigs.gfx-dose.de
/sigs/en13/1532062.png[/img][/url]
[00:23] <xarglethegreat> I mean sure if someone is bothered by it and complains
warn the player and give infractions if they continue.
[00:23] <CeCaLa> if the spam is not derailing it should be allowed
[00:24] <CeCaLa> mph make the [img][/img] tags around the whole thing
[00:24] <CeCaLa> and take out that img one in the middle
[00:25] <CeCaLa> i really dont like using the word spam
[00:25] <CeCaLa> because there really is bad spam and good spam
[00:25] <CeCaLa> like good spam makes a more relaxed enviornment
[00:25] <CeCaLa> and bad spam just ruins and derails topics
[00:25] <xarglethegreat> I mean the spam and discussion built a kinda community,
which is what the forum is for.
[00:25] <CeCaLa> w13 is so friendly
[00:25] <CeCaLa> the regulars all love eachother
[00:26] <CeCaLa> there are a few exceptions and those are the people we warn or
give bad rep too
03[00:26] * RoyAFK (Royalist@c-b3ca72d5.021-49-73746f36.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
has joined #W13
[00:26] <@Jirki88> report their posts if they violate the rules
[00:26] <@Jirki88> that's the way to make mods handle it
[00:27] <xarglethegreat> yeah there is a sense of love between the regulars (not
sexual obviously dev and shards aside)
03[00:28] * RoyAFK is now known as Royalist
[00:28] <CeCaLa> jirki i do that alot actually
[00:28] <CeCaLa> i mean there really were not any bad spammers
[00:29] <CeCaLa> thats why every1 over reacted when ranbaxy stepped in
[00:29] <@Jirki88> that's why forums shouldn't stand unmodded for too long
[00:29] <@Jirki88> nobody really knows which level it is on
[00:29] <@Jirki88> so we go in on our natural level
02[00:29] * NameGoesHere (~kevin_626@ip24-250-50-5.ri.ri.cox.net) Quit (Ping
timeout)
[00:29] <@Jirki88> tend to be a bit... different
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[00:31] <@Jirki88> it've happened before
[00:31] <@Jirki88> there's no damn way to really solve it peacefully, actually
[00:31] <@Jirki88> not at first try, as there's always those who will be pissed off
major when us mods step in
[00:31] <@Jirki88> those guys create the pure modbashing threads
[00:32] <CeCaLa> thats what i was saying with the mods should adress the community
too
[00:32] <CeCaLa> like what this did
[00:32] <@Jirki88> when they're gone, it calms down
[00:32] <xarglethegreat> ask the previous mod fopr a briefing first?
[00:32] <@Jirki88> :p
[00:32] <CeCaLa> it should not only be the player talks to the mod
[00:32] <@Jirki88> xarglethegreat, well, considering OF had not been modding
anything for nearly two months... he would prob not had a clue where the forum
actually stood
[00:32] <CeCaLa> there should be 1 player forum representative
[00:33] <CeCaLa> jirki he was talking tho =)
[00:33] <@Jirki88> not modding, that was the problem
02[00:33] * mph10 (~chatzilla@cpc4-bagu7-0-0-cust919.bagu.cable.ntl.com) Quit
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[00:33] <@Jirki88> the priority for a mod should be to mod, not to chat, really
[00:34] <CeCaLa> but i liked the way he was active in the community
[00:34] <CeCaLa> it really made me respect some rules
[00:35] <CeCaLa> why else would i make this thread
[00:35] <CeCaLa> http://forum.tribalwars.net/showthread.php?t=82067
[00:35] <@Jirki88> it didn't end well, though, because he didn't mod
[00:35] <@Lord_Gruntie> Right, I'm idling. PM me if any of you need me.
[00:36] <@Jirki88> you know, there's some truth in the saying "if you're a mod and
everyone hates you, you're doing it right"
[00:36] <@Jirki88> people love the active, lenient mods
[00:36] <@Jirki88> but there have to be mean guys that goes by the book, letter for
letter, or it'll just be chaos
[00:36] <CeCaLa> theres always extreme to extreme
[00:36] <Hanis> They also get hated for ruining good threads.
[00:36] <@Jirki88> w6 went like that... it was too lenient, and eventho people
loved taters, they soon started to spam everywhere just because he was too lenient
to stop him
[00:37] <@Jirki88> *them
[00:37] <Royalist> Hanis, good thread get ruined by players abusing rules mostly
[00:37] <ShadowKills> taters believed that people would act a little more mature if
they were given some room to play in
[00:37] <ShadowKills> he was slightly off :D
[00:37] <@Jirki88> indeed :/
[00:38] <@Jirki88> sadly enough, i'm cynical enough to always expect the worst from
people -.-
[00:38] <CeCaLa> I think i would make a good mod because I know what is going to
get locked who will receive infractions blah blah
[00:38] <CeCaLa> its really not hard to predict
[00:38] <CeCaLa> people make it like its a science and then they get so upset
03[00:38] * Tracey sets mode: +b *!*@69.141.133.230
[00:38] <@Jirki88> well, CeCaLa, did you apply now when we needed more mods? :P
[00:38] <CeCaLa> when their thread is locked and they are infracted
03[00:39] * ShadowKills was kicked by Tracey (because i can)
[00:39] <CeCaLa> well u guys make it seem like its hell to mod
[00:39] <@Jirki88> looool
[00:39] <CeCaLa> so thats kind of a turn off
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[00:39] <@Jirki88> well, it's not hell, really, but it's hard work :P
[00:39] <@Jirki88> takes time, kinda
[00:39] <@Jirki88> except i don't remember how much time it took to mod regular
[00:39] <@Tracey> It is hard work and does take a lot of our time
[00:39] <@Jirki88> xD
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[00:39] <@Jirki88> been an Elder too long
[00:39] <@Jirki88> ^^
[00:39] <CeCaLa> well i browse the forums because i have insomnia
01[00:39] <+Petnquaranlor> yeah, super hard work at times
[00:39] <@Jirki88> uh, that sucks
[00:39] <CeCaLa> how bout a regular world mod?
[00:39] <CeCaLa> is that as bad?
01[00:40] <+Petnquaranlor> especially when you bastards decide to revolt
01[00:40] <+Petnquaranlor> depends on the forum CeCaLa
[00:40] <@Jirki88> lol
01[00:40] <+Petnquaranlor> some are easy enough, some are impossibly difficult
[00:40] <@Jirki88> w3 is a forum that's much of a pain to mod
[00:40] <@Jirki88> though w4 is like... paradise
[00:40] <@Jirki88> lol
[00:40] <@Jirki88> it much depends on which mod that was there before, too
[00:40] <CeCaLa> i wouldnt mind modding a world like w13
01[00:40] <+Petnquaranlor> yeah
[00:41] <@Jirki88> impossible since you play it, though
[00:41] <@Jirki88> lol
[00:41] <CeCaLa> i know =/
[00:41] <@Jirki88> i don't think you'd mind w4 either
[00:41] <@Jirki88> it's about our easiest forum
[00:41] <@Jirki88> XD
[00:41] <CeCaLa> ehh maybe ill apply
01[00:41] <+Petnquaranlor> w5, jirki
01[00:41] <+Petnquaranlor> is easier, I'd say
12[00:41] <@Jirki88> no, Petn, w4 is easiest
[00:41] <@Jirki88> i modded it for months
01[00:41] <+Petnquaranlor> exactly
[00:42] <CeCaLa> i would say w1 would be easy too
01[00:42] <+Petnquaranlor> they're all scared of you
[00:42] <@Jirki88> true
[00:42] <CeCaLa> besides for all the non w1ers
[00:42] <@Jirki88> lol
01[00:42] <+Petnquaranlor> w5 has next to no moderation, and hardly ever has
[00:42] <@Jirki88> but they still don't spam outside the spammoderation
[00:42] <@Jirki88> xD
01[00:42] <+Petnquaranlor> and it stays almost perfect
[00:42] <@Jirki88> ehm
[00:42] <@Jirki88> thread
[00:42] <@Jirki88> wtf
[00:42] <@Jirki88> xD
[00:42] <@Jirki88> ok, w4 & w5
03[00:42] * Jirki88 sets mode: -bb *!*@69.141.133.230
*!*@Taters.users.quakenet.org
[00:42] <CeCaLa> what do i need to apply?
12[00:42] <@Jirki88> w3 and w8 is about the hardest, or what do you say,
Petnquaranlor?
[00:43] <CeCaLa> w10 too
01[00:43] <+Petnquaranlor> w24, apparenlty
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01[00:43] <+Petnquaranlor> it horrible
03[00:43] * Jirki88 sets mode: +b *!*@Taters.users.quakenet.org
01[00:43] <+Petnquaranlor> w20 was preeettty bad for a while
03[00:43] * Taters was kicked by Jirki88 (IT'S FUN TO KICK YOU!)
01[00:43] <+Petnquaranlor> anway
[00:43] <CeCaLa> if u guys give me an older world ill apply haha
[00:43] <@Jirki88> nah, w24 is just newworldspammy
01[00:43] <+Petnquaranlor> Ineed sleep
12[00:43] <@Jirki88> night petn :P
01[00:43] <+Petnquaranlor> night all
[00:43] <Zlatorog777> anyone play world 23
[00:43] <shelley> night
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12[00:43] <Kathi> nite pet
[00:43] <CeCaLa> cya name i dont no how to pronounce
[00:43] <@Jirki88> it's easy
[00:44] <@Jirki88> you pronounce it as "Petwhatever"
[00:44] <@Jirki88> ;)
[00:44] <CeCaLa> what he do just smash his keyboard?
[00:44] <@Lord_Gruntie> lol
12[00:44] <Royalist> night Petn
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