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 Dear
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Can any one explain me how to input snowload & earthquake load
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both in Uniform loads column. As i have inputed the earthquake
Posts: 2 load as value of GX,GY & GZ and now want to input the snowload on
Loc: Delhi, India pipe...?

Thanks

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Yahiya Khan
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#32569 - 01/13/10 09:16 AM c



 
 [Re: Khan] 

  At the present time, uniform loads have to be all of the same
"type". Either all "force / lenth", or all "g's". You cannot mix the two
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#32577 - 01/13/10 01:25 PM c



 
 [Re: Richard Ay] 


 You can enter the snow load over a section of piping by increasing
Member the density of th insulation over the section of piping that will see
the snow load
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#32701 - 01/20/10 04:26 AM c



 
 [Re: Itchy] 

 Yes that can Mr. Khan do.

Member But he mixed then the normal isulation loads (weight load case)
with a occasiunally load (snow load).
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I think this will be to much for the sustained stress equation.
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#32890 - 01/29/10 10:15 AM c



 
 [Re: Ohliger] 


 Another option would be to split the distributed load into a set
of discrete loads.
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This can be burdensome if you have extended lengths of pipe.
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#32903 - 02/01/10 02:55 AM c



 
 [Re:
Michael_Fletcher] 

 I think not so.

Member Example :
Its a deflection/stress difference if have a beam between two
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restraints
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Mannheim,Germany In the second case only the restaints get reaction forces without
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#32906 - 02/01/10 04:41 AM c



 
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 snow load can be used as sustain load by density change ....
Member considering there should not be too much difference
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#32979 - 02/03/10 05:45 PM c



 
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 I disagree Ohliger
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I believe a snow load should be considered a sustained load.
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Posts: 178 It is a dead lead rather than an occasional load. You can have snow
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are).

Occasional loads are exactly that - they occur occasionally - wind,

seismic, rupture disc disharge loads etc.
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#32984 - 02/04/10 02:27 AM c



 
 [Re: Itchy] 

 Its a question of the location and load time.

Member Snow load :
Florida ==> occasional
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Alaska ==> sustained
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Loc: Then its only a question of load time, if occasional or sustained.
Mannheim,Germany If you have a location with (example 200 days wind) then its a
sustained load and not ocassional load.

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 How to model snow loads in C-II?

Member I already have GX & GZ defined for Seismic laids in vectors 1 & 2.
How do I input a snow load of 20psf in this model?
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I suppose I will also have to add appropriate OCC cases.
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#23154 - 12/11/08 09:38 AM c

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 I mostly add uniform loads to represent wind/snow loads.

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#23184 - 12/12/08 12:26 AM c

 [Re: corne] 

 Hi Ryan
Member You can use GY for snow load and make another OCC case.
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#23187 - 12/12/08 06:10 AM c

 [Re: shr] 

c  Additional information:

http://www.coade.com/ubbthreads/ubbthrea...=true#Post20070
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 !!!!! Dear all,

Member Are you calculation the snow load for piping? how you input it in
the CAESAR II? what is your snow load Shape coefficents for
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piping?
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#19868 - 08/11/08 07:23 AM c

 
 



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c  Dear CR 88,

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Loc: Jakarta, 389-LoadCases.pdf (576 downloads)
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#19875 - 08/11/08 10:17 AM c

 
 



[Re: Sam Manik] 

 !!!!! very thanks to Manik

Member the snow load Shape coefficents for piping noramly is 0.8 or 0.25?
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#19927 - 08/13/08 12:45 AM c

 
 



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c  For this item use google

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#19929 - 08/13/08 02:00 AM c

 
 



[Re: Sam Manik] 

" In Russian code shape coefficient for snow load is 0.4 (for round
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#20039 - 08/17/08 11:48 PM c

 
 



[Re: mav] 

  In case you have both earthquake and snow load, what
Member methodology is used to input in Caesar as all three vectors of
earthquake input field are already used by eartquake...where to
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put the uniform load by snow...p lease advise.
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MK

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#20052 - 08/18/08 07:45 AM c

 
 



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" # Coincident snow load and earthquake ..... ? If there were an

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#20066 - 08/18/08 10:03 AM c

 
 



[Re: MoverZ] 

c  Actually for me, I just think about the coincident of snow and
wind. How Caesar considers the increasing the surface of area due
Member to wind load. We can imagine like the wave load to pipe surface
due to the marine growth. Thanks in advance.
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#20069 - 08/18/08 10:08 AM c

 
 



[Re: Sam Manik] 

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How CAESAR II considers the increasing the surface of area due to
Member wind load?

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Posts: 3220 Its not. You input the snow load as a "uniform load". %c
Loc: Houston,
has no idea what this represents.
Texas, USA

If you want to combine snow and wind, then you'll have to do

some external computations so that you can use "insulation" to
simulate snow. Your insulation thickness needs to be 1/2 the snow
depth (because insulation will be on both the top and bottom of
the pipe), and then the corresponding density should be
determined to yield the correct weight/length of snow.
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#20070 - 08/18/08 10:14 AM c

 
 



[Re: Richard Ay] 

c  Thanks Sir Richard Ay,

Member Honestly actually I already guessed that in my heart coz we can

set the snow like the insulation with such value of thickness and
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