P-12

Prophetic Dreams: Prophetic

Confusion will increase and
Coming Judgment of the
Church

Andre’s Dream
Background
I was tired of getting into discussions with people
believing in the pre-tribulation rapture theory on
the one side and Prophet Kobus van Rensburg’s
(South African prophet) end time view that the
book of revelation is already fulfilled. I told the Lord
that inwardly I was tired of this prophetic confusion.
I can genuinely follow Kobus’ faith in the Lord but
not all of his teachings. Then on May 24, 2011 I had
a dream.

Dream
I dreamt I saw the book of Revelation opened.
Chapter one had a cross through every paragraph
in the chapter. I knew chapter one was fulfilled. The
rest of the book of Revelation must still come into
fulfillment.

I looked at chapters two and three and wondered

why they were not fulfilled. Then I knew in it is
hidden the judgment of the Church. I knew then
that the next event was not the so-called “rapture
of the Church” or even the sons of God to be
caught up to God and His throne, but next on God’s
calendar are the judgment of the Church. This was
the end of my dream.

Comments (My impressions)

As I woke up, not yet fully awake 1 Peter 4:17 came
to mind. For the time that judgment must
begin at the House of God: and if it first
begin at us what shall the end be of them that
obey not the Gospel of God (1 Peter 4:17, emphasis
added). I knew then that beyond a shadow of a
doubt that God will not judge the world before He
has judged His house.

At the time of the dream chapter one of the book of

Revelation is all that came into fulfillment of the
things John has seen. According to verses 11 and
19 it was the recording of the vision. Chapters two
and three indicate that the judgment of the Church
is next on God’s agenda and then all that must
follow thereafter. “… I will shew thee things which
must be hereafter” (Revelation 4:1b).

Marina’s dream (April, 8, 2011)

Background
On April 8, 2011 my wife, Marina, had a dream,
which I believe is of prophetic significance.
Sometimes the Lord answers the questions of the
meditation of our hearts in dreams. As for you, O
king, thoughts came to your mind while on your
bed, about what would come to pass after this; and
He who reveals secrets made known to you what
will be (Daniel 2:29).

Marina told me, “Before I went to bed I read some

chapters in the Book of Jeremiah about prophets
that prophesied according to their own hearts,
feeding the people lies that cause them to rebel
against the Lord. The thing that intrigued me was
that the Lord showed Jeremiah, which lived
amongst his own people, the error of the prophets
of his day.”

Dream
I dreamt I have been on a big passenger boat. The
color of the ship on the outside was black. It struck
me because normally these passenger boats are
white. The interior of the boat I did not see because
it seemed not to be important. There were only
prophets on the boat. I stood on the deck with all
the prophets. The weather was not foul but very
strange. The sky was overcast and the day dark
because of thick clouds that obscured the sun. It
was snowing. I thought it should have been cold
because of the snow but it was not cold. The snow
was light flakes. The sea was calm. The weather
was so strange that I did not know the time of the
day because it was not supposed to snow as I
believed that it was not the season to snow. I could
not understand why it was not cold while it was
snowing. The length of the trip and destiny of the
ship was unknown. I had the impression that the
mood of the weather and the color of the boat was
the same, unpredictable and weird. However, I
knew this weather will bring something but I did not
know what to expect. The scenery of the dream
was so bizarre that even the emotions I was
experiencing were foreign to me.

I did not know what to make of the grey colored

weather; what it will bring or what I should expect.
Then the prophets look at the weather and
individually started to prophecy presumptuously as
how everyone personally interpreted what this odd
weather will bring. Every prophet’s interpretation of
the weather was different from the others and
everyone prophesied as how he interpreted what
the weather will bring. Not two prophecies were the
same. Presumptuously, every one of them assumed
what will come to pass; what this odd weather will
bring but in truth nobody knows. In my spirit I
discerned and knew that these prophets had it all
wrong and all of them prophesied falsely. The Lord
did not spoke to them. They prophesied according
to the imagination of their hearts and every one
prophesied according to his expectation of what
this odd weather will bring. I could not understand
why the prophets started to prophecy if the Lord
has not spoken to them. I did not receive an answer
on this question. I knew the weather will bring
something but at the time I experienced great
uncertainty as to what it will be. The big issue was
not the strange weather as it was my concern that
the Lord has not spoken to these prophets or to me
about this strange weather but they prophesied
about it as if they know the outcome of this strange
weather phenomenon (sign in the heavens). They
gave the impression they heard from the Lord but
they spoke from their own hearts.

Interpretation
I believe the Lord has shown Marina the error of the
foolish prophets of today just like He showed
Jeremiah the folly of the foolish prophets of his day.
That does not mean that the positive in the Church
concerning the prophetic is not happening. It
happens alongside the misuse of the prophetic just
like in the days of Jeremiah.

I believe in the dream Marina symbolizes the true

prophetic voice in the earth today, the same as
Jeremiah was the true prophetic voice in his day.
The other prophets symbolize the foolish prophets,
who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing.
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests
rule by their power; and My people [the church]
love to have it so. But what will you do in the
end? (Jeremiah 5:31, emphasis added). The
foolish prophets attempted to make
something of nothing.

I believe the boat symbolizes the prophetic world

(this was a boat that only carried prophets, true
and foolish). The boat was black meaning that the
prophetic world is blind, like the prophets in the
time of Jeremiah. The true prophets are blind only
concerning the things that are unrevealed. The
religious world love to hear prophecies to support
some pet doctrines but hate the truth that certain
things are still sealed for the time that the Lord will
unveil it. The flesh hates uncertainty. This is by no
means a generalization. Many solid men and
women of God are in bondage to traditional
religious doctrinal deception. Some thought that if
some prominent religious figures speculate about
coming events that it is prophecy. Unless they have
heard from the Lord, it is only speculation, the
product from a fruitless imagination.

When man turns to the Lord the veils of ignorance

is removed and then he can see the truth. Even so,
man cannot have insight into the plans of God until
He reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets.
(Jeremiah 14:14). Presumption is the breeding
place of error, and more specific prophetic error.

The strange weather (uncertainty) cannot be used

to prophecy coming events, bad or good. The
Scriptures call this practice false divination. For the
king of Babylon stands at the fork of two roads, to
use divination: he shakes the arrows, he consults
the images, he looks at the liver [for signs in the
strange weather] (Ezekiel 21:21, emphasis added).

Snow is ice crystals falling to the ground in light

white flakes. Snow accumulates during the colder
periods of the winter. When the spring comes, the
snow turns into water that will water the soil. For as
the rain comes down, and the snow from the
heaven, and do not return there, but water the
earth, and make it bring and bud, that it may give
seed to the sower and bread to the eater (Isaiah
50:10). Snow refers to a waiting period until the
new season. The snow refers to that which is
unrevealed and unfulfilled. The dream indicates
that this erroneous development will increase in
future (snow). More false divination will be used in
the future to support human views under the
mantel of the true prophetic word which will cause
more confusion causing people to believe in a lie.
The dream indicates that foolish prophets will
forecast events based on less than sign
interpretation (uncertainty) and not on the bases
that they have heard from the Lord. “Behold the
days are coming,” says the Lord God, “That I will
send a famine on the land, not a famine for bread,
nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of
the Lord (Amos 8:11). The Lord will give the church
prophets after their own deceptive hearts (Read 1
Kings 22).

Confusion will be the result of prophecies that were

not from the Lord but forecasts from the carnal
mind. The many conflicting forecasts based on the
same “weird weather” will cause much prophetic
confusion.

Oleg’s Dream
I dreamt that I was in Margate with a young woman
in her early twenties. She and all her family and
friends came to visit Margate. They were so many
that we have to go in different groups to the
business centre of Margate. Although I was with
one group I was actually on my own just
accompanying them. I saw myself sitting in a lodge
with her parents and we were conversing. She did
not want me to drink coffee but I knew she and her
family and friends were committing worse “sins”
than drinking coffee. For me it was not important
because I knew I was free in Christ. I looked at her
father, and I knew he was drinking coffee though I
never saw it. People in the lodge were either
drinking wine or coffee. I had a little red wine in a
normal household coffee cup. Then I wondered
where the young woman was. Somebody told me
she was not in the lodge because this lodge is only
meant for adults. Though she was an adult she was
not allowed there because of her immaturity. I went
out of the lodge in search for her and find her in a
lodge for teenagers with all her friends. I did not
wish to be with them because they were strangers
to me.

She saw me and came out and asked me, “How

long will you still be in the lodge for adults.” I wish
not to be in any of the two lodges because I felt
strange as if I do not belong there.
I thought to myself, “I will never understand these
people because there unspiritual living is foreign to
me.” Before I left the lodge, the young woman’s
father told me that if she asked me if I had some
coffee I must say, “No.” Anyhow I was not drinking
coffee but a little red wine in a coffee cup hence his
incorrect assumption. He had some coffee and I
believed that he was trying to protect himself
against their judgmental spirit and condemnation.
Because I am a free man in Christ I did not take the
young woman’s demands seriously. I owned her
nothing and I could not care less if she knew I was
drinking coffee, wine or anything else. When I came
out of the lodge I saw myself sitting in the car while
the young woman stood outside of the car and then
she asked me whether I had some coffee. I replied,
“No” because I had none. I thought her father had
some but I was not hundred percent sure. It
appeared that the young woman’s father was
unhappy about my answer because he must have
thought that I had some coffee. I was drinking red
wine from a coffee cup. I believed at the time he
wanted to use me to cover up his coffee drinking.

I was offended because they tried to manipulate

and control me. The young woman was angry
because she realized she could not manipulate and
control me. Her father’s unhappiness appeared to
be their control over him but not over me. He did
not rejoice with me over my freedom in the Lord. I
felt the young woman’s mother was the real Jezebel
spirit but the whole family and friends were
manipulators. I twisted her father’s lie into the truth
because they suspected him of drinking coffee,
which is the truth.

Then I saw myself standing near the car with the

young woman. She was continuing her faultfinding
exercise. I felt her mother was behind her in
projecting guilt to me. Then she told me that she
cannot trust me. She was also insinuating that I had
some coffee. I apologized to her by telling her it will
not happen again. I did not mean what I said
because I did not drink coffee but only wanted her
off my back.

All the time while she was talking to me I was

gazing into the sky. I looked intently toward the
north and saw the moon much bigger and much
brighter than I have ever seen it before. In the
direction of the moon were two cubes filled with
many stars. As the cubes moved closer to the moon
the cubes broke up and formed more cubes. The
stars moved into the cubes. The cubes increased
but not the stars. This process repeated itself until
the cubes were close to the moon. The formation of
the cubes with the stars in it was like an arrowhead
(like migrating geese). They moved toward the
moon but not into the moon. When they were under
the moon there formation changed. The cubes
moved very close to each other, rearranged in a
grid formation like soldiers in a squad. Then the
cubes disappeared and there were only stars. The
stars changed to asteroids. They shoot from out of
the north and it looked if it may hit some places on
the earth, but I cannot say with certainty that it will
be the case. I enjoyed the spectacular display of
the asteroids and thought one of the shooting stars
may hit the young woman’s family’s house. The
father of the young woman was also concerned that
one of the asteroids may hit their house in the city
they lived. I was not concerned if one of those stars
will destroy our house because I knew God will
supply all our needs.

While I was looking into the sky I was trying to show

the young woman what was happening in the
heavens but she did not pay attention to my
message or she was not able to see it. Only when
the stars started to shoot she saw it. Despite the
shooting stars she continued to fight with me.

The young woman told me that she will give me

one more chance to come into a close relationship
with her but she will think about it. Then she said, “I
will still decide about it because of what you have
done to me.” She suspected me of drinking coffee. I
thought to myself, “No, no, nobody make me a
fool.” I told her, “I have already decided for you.” I
wanted to tell her that I will never have a close
relationship with her but I saw in her eyes that she
knew what I meant. She turned around and walked
furiously away.

Then I saw a lodge in ruins, it was destroyed and

only the swimming pool remained.

Then I saw myself with the same immature young

adults in a penthouse but they were sleeping on the
floor in the bathroom and not in the bedroom. The
penthouse was only temporary accommodation for
a weekend. The penthouse was only for females but
an arrogant young man was sleeping with them. All
were sleeping on the bathroom floor. Their clothing
was dirty and stinking. Because they were asleep
on the bathroom floor I could not get to the toilet to
urinate. So I urinated inside of the young man’s
opened suitcase. Then I saw he had used two of my
shoes (unpaired). I saw he cleaned it very nicely
and I thought I will take it back. Then I was trying to
chat up one of the girls. In the beginning she liked
me but then she left me. It happened a second time
with another girl and then thoughts entered my
mind that the Lord does not want me to get into a
relationship with any of these girls.

Interpretation
For the time has come for judgment to begin at
the house of God; and if it begins with us first,
what will be the end of those who do not obey the
gospel of God? (Peter 4:17, emphasis added).

The background of the dream is Margate. Margate

means “Gateway to the Sea.” The name Margate
also refers to the Margate fish, the red-mouth grunt
(Diabasis aurolineatus) of the Gulf of Mexico, an
esteemed food fish. The sea symbolizes the people
and nations of the world. Then he said to me, “The
waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are
peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues”
(Revelation 17:15). A fish in the context of this
dream symbolizes a person or a soul. Then He said
to them, Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of
men (Matthew 4:19).

The Holy Spirit’s emphasis on Margate refers to the

great commission Jesus gave to His disciples. Go
therefore and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the Father and of the Son and of
the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things
that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you
always, even to the end of the age. Amen (Matthew
28:19-20). The great commission means firstly to
follow Christ then He will make you fisher’s of men.
Men need to be made disciples not just converts
(“teaching them all things that I have commanded
you”). For the house of the Lord to come to the
unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son
of God, to a perfect, man to the measure of the
stature of the fullness of Christ requires more than
just evangelists but all five ministries as described
in Ephesians four. This is to bring forth the sons
(nothing to do with gender) of the kingdom of God.

What we are seeing now is many ministries making

only converts and not disciples that result in many
converts going back to the world. There are too few
ministries that have compassion on these converts
to take responsibility for them to bring them to
disciple level. There are too many scalp hunters
only going for conversions (The two lodges, one for
adults and the other for teenagers). They do not
have the compassion to become fathers to sons
and there are far too few mothers of Zion. The
result is too many spiritual abortions. The abortions
that we see in the world are a parallel of the
condition of the Church world. The vision shows
young people in sin. They have inherited this
sickness from the previous generation; the iniquity
of the fathers is on the children. The battle was for
many years the braking down of walls between
individuals, churches, denominations and
generations. Praise God it is happening and we see
mighty covenant relationships that have developed
over the last few decades. However, the principal of
the natural first and then the spiritual still applies.
The dream shows that birds of the same feathers
flocks together (the young lady with her family and
friends). This is false unity; love is true unity. They
have an agenda of no tolerance of those that does
not conform to their theology.

As far as I know we must conform to the image of

the Son of God. Their agenda may be their vision of
Christ. As far as I know Christ is meek and lowly of
heart and He reveals Himself as our advocate and
the Father as the Righteous Judge. We must know
both the compassion of God on the wretched and
the severity of His righteous judgments otherwise
we will be deceived.

The father of the young woman symbolizes a line of

doctrines which are followed by these church
groups. The groups are the Evangelical, Pentecostal
and Charismatic church groups that follow similar
doctrines. The character of the young woman
represents the spirit that is operating in these
church groups (her friends were of the same spirit;
dirty and stinking clothing).

There are greater things happening in the spirit

than infighting between churches and individuals.
(All the time while she was talking to me I was
gazing into the sky). Will you be aware?

I looked intently toward the north and saw the

moon much bigger and much brighter than I have
ever seen it before. The moon bigger and
brighter symbolizes the church under
inspection.
In the direction of the moon were two cubes filled
with many stars. The stars refer to the sons of God
and the cubes speak about preparation for battle.

This whole signs in the heavens speaks of the Lord

that is preparing His army for the last epic battle of
the ages. They moved toward the moon but not
into the moon. They were under the moon. For
example, on the 16 February we had dreams to
start a school of the prophets. Then the Lord
showed us through various dreams that he is
preparing us as soldiers. Our group he gave a
specific time of two years. All these were
confirmed. I am sure the Lord is doing similar things
all over the world.

I believe the Lord will use the world as instruments

of judgment. However, I believe His church will
trigger the judgment; most probably through
intercession but I do not know for sure. I also
believe it will as a result of our cries for
righteousness that are reaching God’s heart.

The asteroids were shooting from the north. The

asteroids are judgments. The north refers to
judgment and affliction that is moving in. Set up
the standard toward Zion: retire not: For I will bring
evil from the north, and great destruction (Jeremiah
4:46, KJV).

People will be concerned that God will judge their

churches and lives but if we judge ourselves God
will not judge us (I was not concerned if one of
those stars will destroy our house because I knew
my future is in God’s hands).

The judgments of God are not destructive but are

for our good. It is to set things in order, to establish
righteousness and serve justice that all things may
be reconciled to God in His Son. Clouds and
darkness surround Him; righteousness and
justice are the foundation of His throne (Psalm
97:2, emphasis added).

NOTE: Dreams and visions are given by the

Holy Spirit for direction in the church,
especially for intercession and prayer
purposes, and not to establish doctrine. The
Scriptures are the only basis for Church
doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16).