Trinity Triune-Unity

The Sword of Intellect
Book - 4
Trinity Triune Unity
By: Mohammed Fareeduddin Siddique

Book Number: 4 Document number: 4.02 Dated Updated: 30th March 2004.
TRINITY TRIUNE-UNITY
[Jesus, The Holy Father and the Holy Gost!]
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Peace be unto you, peace be to thy hands, peace be to this day that you happen to open this paper, peace be to your sense of reasoning. The word Trinity, which never happens to appear in the entire Bibles, is the most debated and doubtful issue within the Pauline circles. Jesus [God the Son], Holy Father [God the Father], the Holy Ghost [God the Holy Spirit?] forms the triune God God-head system. All being one in essence is what the scribes put forth as definition of One-God, or the Triune God, or the Triune Unity. Father, Son and the Holy Spirit being Co-Equal, Co-Eternal, CoDevine and each one being fully-God in Triune Unity. Many analogies were put forth to explain the Trinity, many examples were put forth by the Pauline churches to simulate the Triune Unity, all of them failed collectively and utterly to justify a non-existent Trinity. I asked, many shepherds over the internet, few basic questions on the Triune system, however these questions were either ducked or I was declared a disbeliever amongst them. The famous TNC [Trinity Network Corporation] on the television envisages all sorts of concocted lies to support their claim or their personal understandings and short-comings of the Triune System. This TV channel is the biggest and the most viewed channel in the Christian world, however my Questions to them by emails always fell on deaf-ears. None of my emails were ever discussed in public with them, or they preferred not to do so [Ask me for these emails]. They do not seem to discuss their idea of Triune system at all to any levels a blind belief indeed. Religion seems to be a big-business in Christendom. If my reader is a Christian, I would like them to cast a critical-eye on my questions and to verify my quotes from their Bibles. Their attestation would be an added advantage for the inception of this paper. I posed a simple question to one of my Pauline shepherds over the net chat: Who is the father of Jesus pbuh? Did Jesus pbuh Christ have two fathers? The Father is the Father of the Son (I John 1:3), yet the child born of Mary was conceived by the Holy Ghost (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). Which one is the true father? Some Trinitarians say that the Holy Ghost was merely the Father's agent in conception - a process you may compare to artificial insemination! Further, how many Spirits are there? God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24), the Lord Jesus is a Spirit (II Corinthians 3:17), and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit by definition. Yet there is one Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4).
If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?
Page 2 of 6 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER: This document in not intended to hurt any sects religious, emotional feelings. Any thing that is written by a human being is susceptible to errors (like the present day Bible). If there is any truth in this paper, then it is from Allh s.w.t, the typo errors (if any) are from myself, Allh s.w.t forgive me for my human / typo errors. I can be contacted at mailto:author@fareedsiddique.com. I will be happy to clarify any doubts from my Christian friends in particular and all others in general. Fareed Siddique
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Definition of a Triangle as per Pythagoras: A triangle is a set of geometry, contains 3 (three) distinctively different set of angles forming 1(One) triangle. Summation of these angles equals to 180 degrees. Triangle can have equal angels and is called equilateral triangle, each angel equals the other and each side equals other. [also see my paper On water, steam and Ice] Similarly, how can the Son not know as much as the Father? (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32). Similarly, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? (John 5:19, 30; 6:38). Similarly, what about other verses of Scripture indicating the inequality of the Son and the Father? (John 8:42; 14:28; I Corinthians 11:3). Did "God the Son" die? The Bible says the Son died (Romans 5:10). If so, can God die? Can part of God die? Or was the Roman5:10 bluffing??? How can there be an eternal Son when the Bible speaks of the begotten Son, clearly indicating that the Son had a beginning? (John 3:16; Hebrews 1:5-6). If the Son is eternal and existed at creation, who was His mother at that time? We know the Son was made of a woman (Galatians 4:4). Did "God the Son" surrender His omnipresence while on earth? If so, how could he still be God? If the Son is eternal and immutable (unchangeable), how can the reign of the Son have an ending? (I Corinthians 15:24-28). Whom do we worship and to whom do we pray? Jesus said to worship the Father (John 4:21-24), yet Stephen prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59-60). Can there be more than three persons in the Godhead? Certainly the Old Testament does not teach three but emphasizes oneness. If the New Testament adds to the Old Testament message and teaches three persons, then what is to prevent subsequent revelations of additional persons? If we apply trinitarian logic to interpret some verses of Scripture, we could teach a fourth person (Isaiah 48:16; Colossians 1:3; 2:2; I Thessalonians 3:11; James 1:27). Likewise, we could interpret some verses of Scripture to mean six more persons (Revelation 3:1; 5:6). Are there three Spirits in a Christian's heart? Father, Jesus, and the Spirit all dwell within a Christian (John 14:17, 23; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 3:14-17). Yet there is one Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4).
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There is only one throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2). Who sits upon it? We know Jesus does (Revelation 1:8,18, 4:8). Where do the Father and the Holy Spirit sit? Do they stand or squat in the heavens..??? If Jesus is on the throne, how can He sit on the right hand of God? (Mark 16:19). Does He sit or stand on the right hand of God? (Acts 7:55). Or is He in the Father's bosom? (John 1:18). Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus? Colossians 2:9 says the latter. Given Matthew 28:19, why did the apostles consistently baptize both Jews and Gentiles using the name of Jesus, even to the extent of rebaptism? (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5; 22:16; I Corinthians 1:13). Who raised Jesus from the dead? Did the Father (Ephesians 1:20), or Jesus (John 2:19-21), or the Spirit? (Romans 8:11). If Son and Holy Ghost are co-equal persons in the Godhead, why is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost unforgivable but blasphemy of the Son is not? (Luke 12:10). If the Holy Ghost is a co-equal member of the trinity, why does the Bible always speak of Him being sent from the Father or from Jesus? (John 14:26; 15:26). Does the Father know something that the Holy Spirit does not know? If so, how can they be co-equal? Only the Father knows the day and hour of the Second Coming of Christ (Mark 13:32). Did the trinity make the Old and New covenants? We know the LORD (Jehovah) did (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:7-13). If Jehovah is a trinity then Father, Son, and Spirit all had to die to make the new covenant effective (Hebrews 9:16-17). If the Spirit proceeds from the Father, is the Spirit also a son of the Father? If not, why not? If the Spirit proceeds from the Son, is the Spirit the grandson of the Father? If not, why not? Whatever the answers to these unanswered questions, so far, none of the Pauline churches and note even the Trinity Network Corporation were able to put-up any reasonable answer to my simple questions so far. Why then do they stick to the alleged trinity-blasphemy, why not use sense of reason, why not use your intellect? In "The New Catholic Encyclopedia" (Bearing the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur, indicating official approval) we get a glimpse of how the concept of the Trinity was not introduced into Christianity until close to four hundred years after Jesus (pbuh): ".......It is difficult in the second half of the 20th century to offer a clear, objective and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and theological elaboration of the Mystery of the trinity. Trinitarian discussion, Roman Catholic as well as other, present a somewhat unsteady silhouette. Two things have happened. There is the recognition on the part of exegetes and Biblical theologians, including a constantly growing number of Roman Catholics, which one
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should not speak of Trinitarianism in the New Testament without serious qualification. There is also the closely parallel recognition on the part of historians of dogma and systematic theologians that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma 'One God in three Persons' became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought ... it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development" (emphasis added). "The New Catholic Encyclopedia," Volume XIV, p. 295 They admit it!!! Jesus (pbuh), John, Matthew, Luke, Mark, all of the apostles, and even Paul, were completely unaware of any "Trinity.!! Why then would you not desist from the blasphemy of trinity? Does something in your pride and self esteem stop you to shun the lies of trinity? Tom Harpur says: "The idea of the Second Person of a Holy Trinity knowing what it is to be God-forsaken has only to be stated to be recognized as absurd" For Christ's Sake, pp. 45. Quran clarifies all your doubts, O Christians, heed to the Quran 05:73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilh (God -Allh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. 74. Will they not repent to Allh and ask His Forgiveness? For Allh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[] 75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allh and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayt (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). Allah [ ] instructs the Trinitarians in very clean and clear terms. 04:171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rh) created by Him; so believe in Allh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allh is (the only) One Ilh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allh is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs. O my Christian reader, do you any sense of reason? Do they have any thinking-heads? Does God stops you from thinking reasonably? Or would you like to regret in the hereafter. They will say, "If only we had really listened and used our intellect, we would not have been Companions of the Blaze." (Noble Quran, Surat al-Mulk: 10) or would the followers of St. Paul like to regret!
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O my Christian reader! Respond to your Lord before a Day comes from Allah [S.W.T], which cannot be turned back. On that Day you will have no hiding-place and no means of denial. (Noble Quran, Surat ash-Shura: 47) Except for those who are steadfast and do right actions. They will receive forgiveness and a large reward. (Surah Hud, 11) I invite you now, O my Christian reader, to use your intellect and be a true believer, a truthful submitter to your and my God Allah [ .] May Allah [ ] bestow upon you his mercy and help you understand the fallacies of the Christian Pauline religion of Saul of Tarus...Ameen, ya Rabbal Izzah. Color codes: Red italics are the words of the present day bible. Blue italics are the Holy verses of Quran Al-Kareem, Translations by Yousuf Ali / M. Pickthal. Normal blacks are my words, bolded emphases are added from my side.

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