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Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

By Power1 / The Power To Be

February 17, 2011 Power1 This is a full disclosure of the facts that will enable humanity to attain a sustainable civilization without the need for oil. Full non proprietory disclosure into the Public Domain by me, the origin inventor. The Power To Be. PIEZOELECTRIC PRODUCTION OF ATOMIZE WATER WITH HHO FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE, COMBUSTIBLE WATER FUEL. This system uses plain tap water with no electrolyte, all parts are off the shelf components. The best solution to producing Water Fuel for Internel combustion Engine is to atomize water as being done in atomize water injection. You can buy an pond fogger that has piezo ceramic transducers. These piezoelectric transducers will atomize large volume of water with economical energy expense. make sure it's a piezoelectric machine that uses piezo transducers. what you need is fine atomize water fog and ultrasonic waves, in addition, piezoelectric crystals is employed to harvest surplus waves to make HHO, these ultrasonic waves would have otherwise been wasted as heat. The result is a rich combustible atomize water gaseous mixture with HHO produced. Make some zinc oxide crystals and and put it in wettable envelope. It will harvest surplus ultrasonic waves from the transducer and liberate water into HHO with piezoelectrochemical effect. Zinc oxide crystals are synthetic and made from oxidize zinc . It is tetrahedral structures and have polar Zn-O bonds whis is ionic and highly piezoelectric.

You need a durable envelope that will withstand the vibration, tyvek envelope might work, has to be wettable by water. The envelope is to contain the crystals from being splattered by the splashing water caused by the transducer. The crystals are very fine particles, nano meter sizes. I have been trying to come up with a simple low temperature method to growing micro size single crystals at low temperature that is simple enough for anyone to perform. The mainstream ZnO single cystals are fused at high temperature and vapor deposited requiring complicated setup and technical expertise. Ref: How to make ZnO crystals. more information on growing crystals to commercial standards, see this paper nathan.instras.com/documentDB/paper-243.pdf Piezoelectric HHO production. http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2010/03/23/zinc-oxide-hydrogenpiezoelectric/ This is a simplified version for home use. Please use all precaution, I am not responsible for anything that may occur. Materials: 1lb. Zinc powder nano. 1 gallon ammonia cleaning (ammonium hydroxide) Tools: Hot plate with Magnetic Stirrer teflon coated stir bar. 1 liter boiling flask with rubber stopper. reflux condenser if available. water bath. thermometer Dissolve 30 grams of ZnO in each 300 ml of 30% ammonium chloride/

hydroxide. This is best done by filling 300 ml of 30% amonnium hydroxide into the flask and place on stirrer with teflon bar. Turn on the heat to medium, Turn on Stirrer to low speed, #3. Slowly add zinc oxide to solution. When all ZnO is dispensed, cap flask and turn up stirrer to maximum, bring the heat up to 60 deg C and let it mix for 30 minutes.

Place flask in the Freezer and freeze solution to -0 degrees C. When you reach this temperature, allow an additional 1 hr. Before reflux, bath flask in a bowl of room temperature water for 5 minutes to avoid thermal shock and breakage of flask. Set up water bath, large boiling glass bowl with water. Put your flask of cold solution in the water bath and set up reflux condenser with water tube, if you don't have one then just cap your flask tightly and turn on heat. Allow solution to heat up to 60 degrees C, maintain 60 deg C temperature for 2 hours, crystals will grow during this time. Let solution cool to room temperature, Filter solution and recover crystals. the crystals are self seeding. these crystals are not the typical large crystals that most people grow at home. the single crystals are very small, nano size, at this size, they are able to pick up all induced waves and convert waves into electrolysis of water. When water is atomized with pond fogger, it is easily dissociated into HHO by the crystals. The gas mixture is rich in HHO, I don't know the H content but it is highly combustible. I got the idea after watching Dingles youtube video. You can clearly see the fog rising so I made the same unit in an old battery case and it works. The zinc crystals vibrates upon ultrasonic vibration generating it's own electricity and aiding in splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen. This makes the gas mixture richly combustible and the atomize water will keep your generator running cooler with greater power generation. This can also be ported for motive use. Obtain a small generator to learn on, you can get a 6 kw/hr electric start

Champion genset from costco for $500 or so. Swap out the spark plug, put on a Diamond/Splitfire or high performance spark plug from autopart store. If you can make Krupa spark plug, that will work much better. Construct a chamber to house your Atomizer and duct the fog into the engine air intake. Start engine with regular gasoline, then switch over to water injecion. It will run good and you can improve upon it by selective filtering of H and O2 seperately into a storage tanks so no gasoline/ diesel is needed to start engine, you can also add 2 and 3 stage tanks to seperate atomize water also and be able to precisely blend your gaseous mixture on demand according to your engines needs, thus allowing you to run all types of ICE, small engines, diesel and gasoline.

Copy of Krupa's Firestorm spark plug . http://www.panaceauniversity.org/howtomakeplasmaplugs.pdf replication Instructable. Ultrasonic Water Fogger-The Mist Maker http://www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html K006 is the transducer, there machines are bit too $$$ but they ship fast. buy em cheap from aliexpress or taobao, delivery takes 1 week. zinc oxide is $11/ lb from ebay. ammonium hydroxide is $15 per bottle. more reading http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1239.0

February 25, 2011 Power1

Thank you all for you interest in this project. We have been trying to replicate this simple method with difficulties at EF forum. The concept is simple, A piezoelectric transducer atomizes water whereby ZnO crystals harvest the surplus ultrazonic waves to liberate atomize water into HHO. Atomized water is a fine molecule measuring 1 micro meter or less, it takes very little energy to liberate HHO at such small size compared to regular water with molecular bond. The difference is just like grinding fine sand into powder versus 1 inch gravels. I have been labelled with various names of which that does not bother me. From the very begining of our discussion, I had asked everyone numerous times, DO NOT LOOK up to me, I am no difference. You have your own intelligence that resides within you, my goal is to help you liberate your own natural conscious. Everything is whole, you can not learn Natural Conscious from reading a book as it is only self taught. You can not theorize Conscious as that is pure speculation. When you understand Natural Conscious, you learn to let go, your EGO is the barrier that seperates you from your higherself. I apologize for ranting continously but you have to understand, the only way to knowing the Truth of Nature is by becoming One with Nature, you do not need a Teacher, you are the Teacher. You do not need me as you are very capable on your own, but I am only here to lend a hand, to show you the first steps. Nature is abundant with everything that anyone will ever need. When you understand, you will see the many many things that is wrong with this world, and together we will all make a Change. I am not holding anything back, I have simplified the process by utilizing common elements inplace of Chemicals that is restricted from Public Access, there by allowing you to see How Nature truly works, how transmutation occurs, how any different elements can be fused together to achieve the same property. There is no Law in Nature, you are the Creator.

I thank you all for your trouble and efforts in helping me distribute this knowledge, Together, we will make a Change.

February 25, 2011 Power1 And for the record, I am not ill. I am in peace and harmony, I do fast, it is a wonderful way of allowing your body to harvest energy directly from the enviroment, much higher energy that allows one to see much clearly. Everything is just ONE, you can not dissect Conscious into different fields, that is how your are lost. Spirituallity, Conscious, Mind, there are no such division. Forget everything that you have ever learned, that is the only way. If you can not do that, than I ask that you please do not attempt to do this, it will simply not work. Nature is the Opposite of everything that you hold as knowledge. My impatience is a simple way of pushing you to please move on and take action. I am scouting a site that is related and suitable for our work, where everyone is treated equally and where information can flow freely.

February 25, 2011 Power1 Quote from: markdansie on February 21, 2011, 09:10:13 AM @The Power to be Thank you for sharing You have my attention. Appart from the water does anything else get consumedor or need

replenishing. Having read your other threads you are a serious researcher. The devil is in the detail...have you any figures for the power needed for instance to run the electrics to produce the gas to run the generator. IE is it possible to close loop. I have seen no over device or replication of a device that has managed to do so. Kind Regards Mark The test 6kwh generator was closed loop with further developments of low pressure storage tanks for H and O2 to enable start/ stop operation without the need for fossil fuel. ZnO crystals just needs permanent adhesion, there are many ways of doing this, composite plating, ceramic etc, you decide. My effort is not to give you a solution, but help you develop your own solution in your own unique way, Energy is around you 24 hrs, you just need to see it!.

February 25, 2011 Power1 Quote from: Qwert on February 19, 2011, 05:30:40 PM Years ago I have read an article in a pop-tech magazine, that pure hydrogen makes steel parts brittle when contacting them, by fluxing away the structural carbon from the steel lattice. So, be aware of this when using your car's engine! Just "Google" it. My fast "Googling" research can confirm this here for example: http://www.springerlink.com/content/p475551841jhh711/ This system is a primitive method of utilizing widely available Internal Combustion Engines. The gas mixture contains 60 to 80 percent atomize water, only enough HHO is injected to make water fuel combustible, the result is a cooler running engine which shall prolong engine life.

There are oil additives such as ceramic that you can use if you are so concern of such damage, It has not been a concern for me.

February 25, 2011 Power1 I have had time to see this through clearly. Guys, I am very sorry but I will no longer pursue this project. It is not my call, it is yours. I must continue on my own journey. I wish you all the best.

February 25, 2011 Romo

Power1, You might be giving up, but I am not. I have also already ordered supplies in order to complete this project -- so I'm in too deep to not give it a try. My chainsaw arrives this weekend -- and I need to wait for the parts of my spark plug to arrive. I will be ON this project -- at the latest -- in a week. If anyone else is in a similar situation -- or if anyone else simply wants to pool together information about this project, that we may collectively string these ideas together, and get it working in some way. I'm not sure if I can access "higher states" of consciousness yet, so as to rely on my inner knowledge -- but I beleive that through collective collaboration, we may yet get this project running/working. I meditate, and ask myself questions in dreams -- keep a dream journal, and occasionally am gifted with answers. I do not know if this is useful information to anyone -- but I know I get some pretty solid answers sometimes. Off topic: Does anyone else do this? Can anyone else TRV, or dowse? If yes, we might be able to pool together some "data gathering" -- see if that leads anywhere. I think There are too many good ideas applied in this project -- to bring nothing to fruition. At the very least, I'll get a brand new HHO torch, and can experiment with suggested silicone refinement, and odd matieral properties with HHO. I can also use the HHO to bubble through olive oil, or water to "charge" it with a negative millivolt potential -- I've seen some good health results with this already -- this would help to produce more of the stuff. But Enough about my ideas of how I will apply this project. I simply know I also had a strong gut feeling to go with this project -- I also wish to ask Power1 many questions about the things he has done with ORME's, and seawater reactions. Call me crazy, I but it seemed as though he knows some of the things I have been trying to use/do for the past year or two, since I had my first experience with kundalini. If anyone has any guidance, or wishes to collaborate, I will leave a spare email address it is -- askromo@gmail.com Power1, if you read this, and are kind enough to reach out and share where you learned these things from, I would be very greatful. If not, I understand -- I simply hope the next time you wish to share your ideas, or further your ideas -- to not leave so abruptly. I feel you have AT LEAST a few people who

are humbled by the information and work you share with us -- we ARE willing to listen, and experiment. Please, give us time. In the least, I am working as fast as my own time will allow. I am sorry if this does not produce results in your measure quickly enough. I can only offer what I CAN do -- If what we have not offered enough -- I wish that you may be blessed with someone who may asborb the information in its entirety. I have also done internet research based on the keywords you have left in multiple threads -- this leads to a large wealth of information, and books. While I could pile through all of the information you have left in a year or so -- I wish to know which path you took, to better understand how I might apply this "databank" of tangents you've left us with. If nothing else -- in spite of my desires and wishes -- thank you for sharing with us. It is a feeling I get around my heart -- not organ-related. I beleive this is sincerity -- I know you did not have to share this information, nor lead us on with further tangents (albeit, through several accounts) in spite of having been kicked several times. I see the effort here. I, in the least, very much appreciate the effort. You are right -- the world is too F*cked up to not do anything about it. I'm 20 years old, and I'm stepping up -- I want to help make a change. I'm posting here, because I'm looking for help from any community to do so. Anything you can share will be further appreciated. If it is to me, I will share it with anyone who I know can use it -- If to others, I hope I may hear of it. I have the procedure, (almost) all the matierals -- and will either improvise a lab, or rent part of my school's lab for a short time. I will be working on this whether anyone else joins me or not -- I simply hope I am not alone in this pursuit. It is much easier to realize a working machine with multiple people shooting in the dark -- instead of just one. I hope I can exchange contact information with anyone else who is interested in working with this idea. Please contact me via email, or through "PM" at the Energeticforum -- My

username is also "petar113507". I hope to be working with some of you, in order to find the ways in which it CAN work, instead of the ways which we THINK it won't work. I beleive that we must think in the LIGHT, to see the truth in the workings of nature. Peace, ==Romo

February 25, 2011 Power1 Quote from: RAD-HHO on February 25, 2011, 06:35:35 PM You will not pursue this project any more here in this forum, or period? Not your call, but ours? Please explain! I for one am waiting on supplies I have ordered to complete this project! Now you say you are dropping it! Thanks! Your call some call it self learning, some call it enlightenment, I call it Natural Conscious when you are mature. You still can not see what I have been trying to say all along. The mind virus has been rooted deeply into the populace, and it only lives if there is a host. Please continue, I will lend a hand where needed, but will not pursue calling upon you to take action. Everyone my find their way at their own pace. You are the creator, please do create.

February 25, 2011 Romo Quote from: Qwert on February 25, 2011, 07:23:12 PM

Anyway, the final decision always belongs to experimenters. My concern here is to warn those unconscious/unaware ones. There are always risks. I can see it may have been with good intent -- but sometimes I just don't want to hear it. I'll take my chances with the risk. A reason why power1 may have been frustrated with your questions, was that he is trying to get people to go ON board with this project, to spread the knowledge of this kind of working device. When you tell people too much about the inherent risks (which, should have already been analyzed by the experimenter) -- it sounds discouraging. Discouraging prospects of a new project, can be frustrating for an inventor/tinkerer -- especially when they're trying to get people to replicate the project. I ask, if power1 comes back -- is there a way to re-word your speculative concerns, so that it may be seen as furthering the discussion/troubleshooting of the project, instead of sounding discouraging to new prospects? I ask this out of courtesy, because it appears (to me, at least) that this type of frustration, and mis-understandings were the things which made the project "dropped" by him. I wish to pursue this project -- and I sure could use some guidance -- I can't have that direct council if he's "out". I mean no foul play. I only seek to bridge the communication gap here. Peace, ==Romo

February 25, 2011 Power1 There is no defined path or short cut, everyone will have their own way, everyone is unique. A little help for you first steps. Work on you own, observe well, you have your own intellgence, Tesla was a loner so has been every other inventor that found good knowledge.

You can not cheat your way through Conscious, it may work in the lower realm that we all experience but it will only do more harm, be sincere. Do not Believe, when someone has a Secret, run as fast as you can the other direction. Do not join groups or be fooled into being organized, you will be vulnerable to manipulation. Stay away from the beaten path, you are the creator, create your own path, I did not learn a thing from these forums, conductyour own research, read old books. There was an interesting quote by Eric Dollard regarding the falsehood knowledge that is keeping everyone confused and lost. There are sacrifices that you must make, when you are ready. Sentimental beings do not eat meat, find natural foods or grow your own, you are what you eat.

February 27, 2011 Power1 I would like to thank you all for your continued efforts in this project. Sharing of your finding is great, but please continue to develop your own intelligence, see the result of others but only apply it if it makes sense to you. This process of self learning is no different from Pshycic development, where you are encouraged to connect with your own intelligence. All of the answers are readily avaliable, look for it on your own way, there are many online forums, resources that will show you how to proceed with already known methods, read them, ask them questions, but only apply the Facts that makes sense to you. I have been helped greatly from aborad, you can find tools to enable multipledialect communications, As long a you are sincere and understand that We are All Equal, others will be willing to share their findings with you openly and honestly. These abilities will lead on to other great such as being able to self learn

complex technologies in very little time that normally takes years to learn. You are the creator, allow your intelligence to grow and mature, enormous amounts of energy is around us, but you need the understanding to see your responsibilities. Nature will only reveal herself to you and you only, everything is balanced, everything is ONE.

February 28, 2011 Power1 Quote from: fishman on February 28, 2011, 06:21:32 PM Are these dry crystals fragle? The paint like paste does dry sticking to the container. Is there a preferred method to un-stick them? Do we just scarp the dryed paste off the sides? does it mater? You are the creator, what do you think is best?. Good job RAD, now proceed to testing. Do not discard ammonium, save for next batch. Then fuse the same crystals with magnesium to achieve higher permittity. Methods already discussed. For those of you that still do not understand the Power of Natural Intelligence, the whole mainstream knowledge of electricity was observed by Henry Cavendish and later theorized by James Maxwell. Tesla made major improvements. While most of you are fascinated by Ismael's radiant car, You too have the power to achieve the same result if you choose to take control of your own reality. Ismael was self taught, but he seems to have fallen for the same bait of Greed. We are surrounded by energy, I have already discussed practical methods to harvesting energy directly from the enviroments, this knowledge is not new nor exotic, Photovoltaic effect of Lead Sulfide was first disclosed in 1904, and

for the multi-aliases manipulators that don't have a clue of reality, check your facts, there is more properties of Silicon that you can not comprehend with your current state of false mentality. Listen to your own intelligence, I will aid you only when necessary, you are very capable on you're own. For those same party that are trying to takje this project private, It simply will not work, everyone is a Tesla, let's grow your intelligence so that Man will be Free. There are already Artificial-Intelligence System bots that will penetrate and manipulate these discussions, I suggest that you the People move, propergate and multiply these discussions to mainstream portals such as Facebook, Youtube etc. I will hep you there and so will many other honest decent human beings.

February 28, 2011 Power1 Slovenia, If you sincerely wish to pusue this project, then please utilize your energy and spread this project to other mainstream fields, create new posts in Chemistry, Ceramic, Metallurgy, HHO borards etc, there are many many ways to do this Piezoelectric HHO production, you are only limited by your own imagination. For those from other countries, start your own thread locally, while we are tinkering with 100 years old technology, others countries continue to accelerate far ahead, you can get help everywhere on basic questions that you may encounter. You own intelligence will easily solve your problem, China has more higher education graduates than the whole population of California and the West Coast combined!, and they will eagerly help you if you are sincere, honest and understand that We are all Equal. You are the Teacher, You are the Creator, please take control of your own Reality, many more great things will follow.

March 1, 2011 Fishman Quote from: The Power To Be on February 28, 2011, 09:44:21 PM You are the creator, what do you think is best?. I am not the creator. I am a guy trying to find out if there is any truth in what you originally claimed. If i deviate from your method too much i will not achieve that goal. I'm not saying i wont be creative at some point, im just trying to understand and prove to myself that your idea actually works as you describe first. I made my decision to try these experiment based on you and your many the posts in many threads. Usually i understand the projects i start before i spend money, this project was an exception, so yes i could use help. Some of the things you say lately are very bazaar to me. I've concluded that you ether genius with good intentions, or a escapee from a crazy house. More than like a little of both. I realize you not that interested in helping much more, but i will continue to ask questions in hope that if not you someone may have a good suggestion. I will also offer ideas where i can. I for one, do believe we all can learn from each other. I'm just not one with nature yet

March 1, 2011 Romo

Alright -- things are starting to come in, and that means I'm a few steps closer to construction. I thought I would briefly share a pricetag of the project so far -- For a prototype, this is relatively cheap. Engine: 160CC Lawn mower engine -- 75$ (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0226011601.jpg) Bottom side: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0226011603.jpg) Ammonium Hydroxide: Janitorial grade 10% -- 6 Dollars at my local hardware store (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/photo.jpg) Cooking Plate: 42 ish Dollars. (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/photo2.jpg) Masonry Jars: Quart Jars -- 12 Dollars (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/photo3.jpg) Total So far: 135 $ (Plus Zinc crystals -- approx. 10 Dlls + free shipping) As I'm hurrying up to wait while the zinc arrives, I was wondering -- Rad HHO -- How did you cook the crystals? Was it with, or without a reflux condenser in your masonry jars? I have been thinking I could drill out the top of the masonry jars, and use a valve and some aquarium tubing to make a makeshift condenser -- if it is nescessary at all. I don't want to have one of these jars blow up on me -- But I was sort of hoping that the jars could withstand the pressures.

The next questions I have for the future: 1)Has anyone found any retailers for the sub-micron-pore bags? 2)What Kind of spark plugs have you decided to do? I'm pretty sure Powerme suggested to use Kupra "firestorms" -- I'm just a little fuzzy on making them myself as of yet. Does anyone have an idea if there might be an available "off the shelf" model to simply purchase? I'm not entirely clear on what specifications I'm looking for the sparplug, or the driving circut. Thanks Rad, and Power To Be -- It's nice to know someone else is working on this project. When I get this thing to work -- I will be spreading the technology locally -and will have some friends working with me in different cities for this. The future will be here shortly, ==Romo

March 1, 2011 Power1 Quote from: fishman on Today at 01:06:02 AM I am not the creator. I am a guy trying to find out if there is any truth in what you originally claimed. If i deviate from your method too much i will not achieve that goal. I'm not saying i wont be creative at some point, im just trying to understand and prove to myself that your idea actually works as you describe first. I made my decision to try these experiment based on you and your many the posts in many threads. Usually i understand the projects i start before i spend money, this project was an exception, so yes i

could use help. Some of the things you say lately are very bazaar to me. I've concluded that you ether genius with good intentions, or a escapee from a crazy house. More than like a little of both. I realize you not that interested in helping much more, but i will continue to ask questions in hope that if not you someone may have a good suggestion. I will also offer ideas where i can. I for one, do believe we all can learn from each other. I'm just not one with nature yet

Hey fishman, great humor, thanks. I cannot forget the scent, I have given up seafood long time ago, Tesla turned 100% vegan too. While were discussing Tesla, I have no desire to be compared to this great man, He suffered the same treatment that I am encountering. Name calling, Madness etc., etc., I thought we were already pass this stage?. Fishman, If you cannot believe in yourself then please STOP right there. Save yourself the time and hassle. I have already discussed ways to proceed with this project that is not expensive. You can make zinc oxide from Zamak, you can find zamak easily, old cars, electronics, car transmission, motor casing etc. If you use transmission Zamak, go online and find out what class it is, make, model, year simple search will tell you what it is. Use sodium hydroxide to oxidize zamac which has high zinc content, you can refine further by using floathing method etc. There are many ways to make these crystals, it can be done with Red Phosphorus reflux, Sulfur etc. but we will stick with Ammnium as everyone can get it easily. Ditillaton has already been discussed. This invention belongs to Dingle, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_WJfFzBe28&feature=related He encountered legal problem, same scenario with all other non-petroleum technology. Dingle never did reveal his secret, but after watching his clip, I made an atomizing chamber out of an old battery using ceramic piezo transducers and ZnO crystals, and I was able to produce the same result. My work on crystal is not limited to Internal Combustion Engines as it I have been able to modify lattice of PbS to harvest Radiant Energy directly, the same principle Tesla originated and further developed by many others. Hey Slovenia, please no hard feeling from my earlier comment, the understanding is unique to everyone, some people may have to go through endless lifetimes where as others can achieve it in a matter of seconds, if you feel that you are ready, then please do proceed. If you wish to commercialize this project, please do proceed, I had mentioned other fields and they will be very helpful with new inputs that you may not

have been able to see on your own. I have no interest in the application of this project, but others will have useful purpose for it. When you understand the meaning of life, of nature etc., everything materialistic no longer have value, you will see that money is just pieces of paper, assets are mere possessions, the only thing of value is Life itself. Good job petar, this is not the greatest technology, there are other greater things, but this is a good start.

March 1, 2011 Power1 link to Daniel Dingles site with more informtion and certificates of tests, his piezo transducers are much more effecient, I don't know of his formulation but it seems he's able to fracture HHO with only 36watts, you can use off the shelf transducers that will produce enough HHO t run a 2.4litre engine consuming under 300 watts, fine tuning will bring it down to 100 watts. http://danieldingel.com/

March 1, 2011 E2matrix Quote from: fishman on Today at 01:06:02 AM I am not the creator. I am a guy trying to find out if there is any truth in what you originally claimed. If i deviate from your method too much i will not achieve that goal. I'm not saying i wont be creative at some point, im just trying to understand and prove to myself that your idea actually works as you describe first.

I made my decision to try these experiment based on you and your many the posts in many threads. Usually i understand the projects i start before i spend money, this project was an exception, so yes i could use help. Some of the things you say lately are very bazaar to me. I've concluded that you ether genius with good intentions, or a escapee from a crazy house. More than like a little of both. I realize you not that interested in helping much more, but i will continue to ask questions in hope that if not you someone may have a good suggestion. I will also offer ideas where i can. I for one, do believe we all can learn from each other. I'm just not one with nature yet Not bazaar. I call it new age, unity consciousnes, enlightened, heart consciousness, genius or one who listens to the 'small still voice within' (as taught by author Susan Shumsky) .... it's all very familiar to me. I'm glad to see Power to Be is still around. petar113507, for being 20 y.o. you are way ahead of the crowd. If you were 50 y.o. you would still be way ahead of the rest. I think right here on this forum will be a good place to do group work unless the trolls get to heavy. If that happens there are many alternatives. Still waiting to get some ammonia as I'm far from any sources and I doubt ordering online is affordable as it's surely a hazardous liquid with high shipping cost. I'll likely have some soon when we make our semi-annual trek into civilization I'd ask everyone to communicate here but if another forum or place gets especially active on this please post a link to it in this thread.

March 1, 2011 Romo Allright -- things are starting to come in, and that means I'm a few steps closer to construction.

I thought I would briefly share a pricetag of the project so far -- For a prototype, this is relatively cheap. Engine: 160CC Lawn mower engine -- 75$ (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0226011601.jpg) Bottom side: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0226011603.jpg) Ammonium Hydroxide: Janitorial grade 10% -- 6 Dollars at my local hardware store (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/photo.jpg) Cooking Plate: 42 ish Dollars. (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/photo2.jpg) Masonry Jars: Quart Jars -- 12 Dollars (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/photo3.jpg) Total So far: 135 $ (Plus Zinc crystals -- approx. 10 Dlls + free shipping) As I'm hurrying up to wait while the zinc arrives, I was wondering -- Rad HHO -- How did you cook the crystals? Was it with, or without a reflux condenser in your masonry jars? I have been thinking I could drill out the top of the masonry jars, and use a valve and some aquarium tubing to make a makeshift condenser -- if it is nescessary at all. I don't want to have one of these jars blow up on me -- But I was sort of hoping that the jars could withstand the pressures. The next questions I have for the future:

1)Has anyone found any retailers for the sub-micron-pore bags? 2)What Kind of spark plugs have you decided to do? I'm pretty sure Powerme suggested to use Kupra "firestorms" -- I'm just a little fuzzy on making them myself as of yet. Does anyone have an idea if there might be an available "off the shelf" model to simply purchase? I'm not entirely clear on what specifications I'm looking for the sparplug, or the driving circut. Thanks Rad, and Power To Be -- It's nice to know someone else is working on this project. When I get this thing to work -- I will be spreading the technology locally -and will have some friends working with me in different cities for this. The future will be here shortly, ==Romo

March 1, 2011 Power1 Quote from: fishman on Today at 01:06:02 AM I am not the creator. I am a guy trying to find out if there is any truth in what you originally claimed. If i deviate from your method too much i will not achieve that goal. I'm not saying i wont be creative at some point, im just trying to understand and prove to myself that your idea actually works as you describe first. I made my decision to try these experiment based on you and your many the posts in many threads. Usually i understand the projects i start before i spend money, this project was an exception, so yes i could use help.

Some of the things you say lately are very bazaar to me. I've concluded that you ether genius with good intentions, or a escapee from a crazy house. More than like a little of both. I realize you not that interested in helping much more, but i will continue to ask questions in hope that if not you someone may have a good suggestion. I will also offer ideas where i can. I for one, do believe we all can learn from each other. I'm just not one with nature yet

Hey fishman, great humor, thanks. I cannot forget the scent, I have given up seafood long time ago, Tesla turned 100% vegan too. While were discussing Tesla, I have no desire to be compared to this great man, He suffered the same treatment that I am encountering. Name calling, Madness etc., etc., I thought we were already pass this stage?. Fishman, If you cannot believe in yourself then please STOP right there. Save yourself the time and hassle. I have already discussed ways to proceed with this project that is not expensive. You can make zinc oxide from Zamak, you can find zamak easily, old cars, electronics, car transmission, motor casing etc. If you use transmission Zamak, go online and find out what class it is, make, model, year simple search will tell you what it is. Use sodium hydroxide to oxidize zamac which has high zinc content, you can refine further by using floathing method etc. There are many ways to make these crystals, it can be done with Red Phosphorus reflux, Sulfur etc. but we will stick with Ammnium as everyone can get it easily. Ditillaton has already been discussed. This invention belongs to Dingle, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_WJfFzBe28&feature=related He encountered legal problem, same scenario with all other non-petroleum technology. Dingle never did reveal his secret, but after watching his clip, I made an atomizing chamber out of an old battery using ceramic piezo transducers and ZnO crystals, and I was able to produce the same result. My work on crystal is not limited to Internal Combustion Engines as it I have been able to modify lattice of PbS to harvest Radiant Energy directly, the same principle Tesla originated and further developed by many others. Hey Slovenia, please no hard feeling from my earlier comment, the understanding is unique to everyone, some people may have to go through endless lifetimes where as others can achieve it in a matter of seconds, if you feel that you are ready, then please do proceed. If you wish to commercialize this project, please do proceed, I had mentioned other fields and they will be very helpful with new inputs that you may not

have been able to see on your own. I have no interest in the application of this project, but others will have useful purpose for it. When you understand the meaning of life, of nature etc., everything materialistic no longer have value, you will see that money is just pieces of paper, assets are mere possessions, the only thing of value is Life itself. Good job petar, this is not the greatest technology, there are other greater things, but this is a good start.

March 1, 2011 Power1 link to Daniel Dingles site with more informtion and certificates of tests, his piezo transducers are much more effecient, I don't know of his formulation but it seems he's able to fracture HHO with only 36watts, you can use off the shelf transducers that will produce enough HHO t run a 2.4litre engine consuming under 300 watts, fine tuning will bring it down to 100 watts. http://danieldingel.com/

March 1, 2011 Fishman Quote from: e2matrix on Today at 06:47:57 AM Still waiting to get some ammonia as I'm far from any sources and I doubt ordering online is affordable as it's surely a hazardous liquid with high shipping cost. I'll likely have some soon when we make our semi-annual trek into civilization I got 500ml 30% for $15, the shipping was $15 dollars, it took about 3 days.

The science company. www.sciencecompany.com It would be nice to find it locally.

March 1, 2011 Fishman Quote from: e2matrix on Today at 06:47:57 AM Not bazaar. I call it new age, unity consciousnes, enlightened, heart consciousness, genius or one who listens to the 'small still voice within' (as taught by author Susan Shumsky) .... it's all very familiar to me. I'm glad to see Power to Be is still around. Yeah im glad to see he is still around and that he gets my humor also. I do understand a little about New Age. But the part i find very confusing (or bazaar) is when The power to be says "Just believe in yourself and you can do it". What does that mean? For face value the words don't add up to much for me. Of course i believe i can do this. On the other hand, many people believe they can do things but fail every day. Believing you can do something, and success in doing something are not always 100%. Look at the dozens of folks who tried and are still trying to replicate Fast Freddy's cell. What I don't believe is that i could have done this, and many other things Ive succeeded at, by myself. I rely on my internet, i rely on my computer, i rely on the forum host, i rely on the participants, and all the people that made those tools and ideas available, that list goes on and on. So to think, or believe, i can do this or anything on my own, seems bazaar. It appears to me that we are interdependent and that that is not a bad thing. FWIW

Since this is off topic, if you care to explain this maybe you could PM me. Thanks

March 1, 2011 Rad-HHO Quote from: fishman on Today at 02:46:57 PM I got 500ml 30% for $15, the shipping was $15 dollars, it took about 3 days. The science company. www.sciencecompany.com It would be nice to find it locally. I got mine on E-Bay. 1000ml for $27 total. Got it in one week. http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem? itemId=120688102947&index=0&nav=SEARCH&nid=97191406678

March 1, 2011 Power1 RAD, conduct simple test with Lucs spark circuit, record your result and continue, dont need to be more complicated, simple is better. Fishman, the purpose of this project is to teach folks Natures Truth knowledge, transmutation, element phases, elements properties etc. etc. These things are not taught in School. Give people the proper knowledge and people will have the abilities to do ANYTHING!!, Folks, you do not have the slightest idea of your True Potential, You can be as knowledgeable as Tesla, if you choose to observe nature and listen to your own Intelligence. Kapanadze, Ismael Aviso etc, they only found their knowledge from self learning. By continuing with the Installed System of knowledge, you are only parroting falsehood knowledge such as Einstein and Thompson, I

never did subscribe to those views, jargons such as neurons is a legalese to describe Nature which is useless. Dream think, you can use any piezoelectric crystals, quartz, transitional crystals, you just need to transmute crystals by fusion with high energy elements like ammonium, this results in higher piezoelectrochemical activity. I use ZnO because it resonates well above 40khz, the range where water freely dissociates. Geo, yes, water will freeze at -0 C, this will yield anhydrous ammonium which requires extreme care, I suggest that everyone only use Sola Distillation to make 30% unless you have the proper facilities to store 100% freeze separated ammonium.

March 1, 2011 Power1 How do you listen to yourself, to your intelligence?. I cannot answer that, only you can. How did you learn to walk, how did you learn to speak?. Do blindfold tasting, blindfold walking a straight line?. How did you do that?. Only you can answer that, but I'll give you a hint, it only happens if you are sincere and honest. Understand that we are all Equal, only then will you become your own Teacher. How do you read 1000 wpm and have patience in waiting for your unconscious to catch up?, how do you do bizarre things like leaving your body, encountering other Intelligence beings?, that is bazaar things that I experience but wish to leave out of discussions.

March 1, 2011

SuperGod One thing I am confused on is, if the crystals are not wet, how will they make HHO? I am totally new to this crystal stuff, but it seems to have promise. Do we dump the crystals in the water so they pick up the waves? Can the crystals make HHO from inside the bag, even if they aren't touching water? I will experiment once I get the necessary equipment. I know my (capacitor70's) circuit causes water to react anomalously and "explode" in the cylinder when subjected to high current, but I do not know why. Perhaps it is doing the same thing the crystals do.

March 1, 2011 Power1 Thank you Super God, you are the Spirit, allow you're spirit to grow and mature, then you will be able to do anything. You're current state of mentality is no difference from a caged Lion, in Nature you have freedom and posses extra sensory, but confined in a cage, you then become same as all other domesticated pets. The knowledge you posses is like telling a Bee to ONLY make honey from citrus, and after many generations, you only know how to make citrus honey, Imagine the possibilities if you wandered off and tasted pollen of other trees!. Do not believe what others are saying, Do not believe me either!, Only Believe yourself, that is how you learn. From observing your own work. Do not subscribe to organizations, religions etc, they will only hinder your development, of course they are good for socializing but only apply Facts if they make sense to you first.

March 1, 2011

Power1 Hey Super God, Do know that we are al Equal My envelope was my method of measuring piezoelectrochemical effeciencies of several different types of crystals in a controlled manner effectively. Forget about the envelope, just put your crystals in the water and conduct your test, the crystal needs to make contact with the waves, envelope blocks most of the waves. You need to permanently adhere crystals to a surface, you decide what you think is best. Porous composite, electro plating, aerated ceramic, etc. Where we are heading is the Forbidden Zones of knowledge, and You will get LOST if you continue with your current understanding. The ZnO refluxed with NH3 under pressure forces NH3 to bind with ZnO at molecular level, same principle employed at Gene Modification where atom size particles of other elements are bombarded into living cell. What causes these transmutation?. What are the electrical properties of these elements?. What are their electrochemical properties?. What causes piezo electrical conversion of acoustic waves?. What is a wave, why is it not called a helix, there are 2 equalized intertwined forces isn't there?. Why do elements known transmute or transform into other known elements, what is the cause?. There are other many fascinating things that you will learn, phase changes that occurs, what causes them, how to control them etc. You are the Teacher, you are the Creator, there are many powerful things that I wish never to disclose as you first need to understand Nature and the Responsibilities that lays behind these Wisdom. I can control the forces of nature and so can you!.

March 1, 2011 SuperGod Do you subscribe to the Pantheistic theory, in that we all as a whole compose everything? I don't know about that (I am Spiritist) but I do know that this information is for the benefit of Humanity as a whole. I do realize we are equals. Thank you for your advice, I will try to adhere them to one of the surfaces in the container. As far as lost, I'm already dazed and confused, but I will try and see if I can understand what is going on. Thanks again for the base information!

March 2, 2011 Power1 Quote from: Super God on Today at 12:40:07 AM Do you subscribe to the Pantheistic theory, in that we all as a whole compose everything? I don't know about that (I am Spiritist) but I do know that this information is for the benefit of Humanity as a whole. I do realize we are equals. Thank you for your advice, I will try to adhere them to one of the surfaces in the container. As far as lost, I'm already dazed and confused, but I will try and see if I can understand what is going on. Thanks again for the base information! I am not aware of this Theory, generally I would just listen to what one will have to say and absorb only what makes sense to me. However the God concept does help those that are starting out, but one must know that such Universal Ruler and Law does not exist, there are other intelligence entities but we are all equal. Everything is just ONE, there is no seperation, what you experience is your

own manifested delusion. For those new to this thread, I sometime respond to question from Energetic Forum and quote them here as I no longer am allowed to post there due to their private and regulated laws and beliefs. I have already covered the safety concerns regarding NH3, maintain reflux temperature at 60 C by cooling and excessive pressure will not accumulate. Just use the largest Mason Jar that you can find, 1/2 gallon with moist towel wrapped on top portion constantly sprayed with water to remove excess heat. You are free to do whatever that you wish to build, there is no particular method here, just like building an automobile, all styles allowed and all will be drivable.

March 2, 2011 Power1 Some of you may question my sanity or may have a hard time grasping the fact or validity of the things that I have said. Let me tell you this, your projected reality is planned and engineered values that you have voluntarily installed upon yourself. The GOD concept is a timeless control method mechanism that has been deployed successfully for eons, "I do not believe in God - I do not report to him." - Baron Benjamin de Rothschild, a recent interview of one of the highest rank of the Elites. These transmutation effects are not new, We Humans posses many different qualities, some choose to modify their own DNA to accumulate power over others, longevity, god abilities etc, the methods are already known. A few take advantage of the opportunity to finish this life cycle and continue on, it is just a Phase Change. You are what counts, yourself only, nothing else matters, but 99.9% of the population still do not understand this fact. Your incomplete after life is also

controlled where 99.9% will be re-incarnated and the whole process continued all over again. You have the power to make the change now, but it is your call not mine. This is also out of topic in regards to our project so I wish not to discuss it further.

March 2, 2011 Power1 Altrez have posted his findings, please absorb only what makes sense to you, do not continue with the old habit of Believing, conduct your own test and observe the result, that is the only way that you will ever learn.

March 2, 2011 Power1 Slovenia, You are the source, yourself only. I am not your Teacher. No one is, only you. For as long as you continue to look elsewhere in books, peers, authorities etc., you will continue to suppress, rob yourself and sabotage your own development. Why peek through a tiny little whole with TRV when you, yourself, is the whole. Why continue to hold on to false knowledge when it is the barrier that blocks you from your own intelligence. A fictitious book once quote that a camel will easily pass through the eye of a needle where as one with vast accumulation of possessions such as parroted knowledge will never be able to pass.

The knowledge is only self taught, there is no other way. Perhaps your current purpose is to continue with your current occult. If I were you, I would put in all efforts and conduct many other virtuous deeds, perhaps you may have the chance in another life time. Best of Luck to you.

March 3, 2011 Power1

Super God Sr. Member Posts: 383 Dark backward abysm of time... (No subject) Sent to: The Power To Be on: March 02, 2011, 11:18:27 PM Quote Reply Save PM Remove -------------------------------------------------------------------------------"God exists. You cannot doubt His existence, and that is one essential point. Do not seek to go beyond it; do not lose yourselves in a labyrinth which, for you, is without an issue. Such inquiries would not make you better; they would rather tend to add to your pride, by causing you to imagine that you knew something, while, in reality, you would know nothing. Put aside systems. You have things enough to think about that concern you much more nearly, beginning with yourselves. Study your own imperfections, that you may get rid of them; this will be far more useful to you than the vain attempt to penetrate the impenetrable." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------The force that you doth attain to is not All. We are the whole, each and everyone of the sentimental beings. How does man attain the knowledge?. 1. By GOD love 2. By DOG evol One that chooses cunningness and parably will remain a coded man but a Dog that has evol is edoc of the universe. I have already disclosed all that you need to proceed. Do not Believe, continue your learning. Best of luck to you all. Farewell.

Mod: Please delete this account.

March 3, 2011 Romo Personally, I was hoping you could drop us some more clues Powerme. Please, keep in touch, or check on our progress from time to time. What you were describing with the lead sulfide crystals, is something I wished you had shared a few more tidbits with us. Why is there this necessity you have to leave? ==Romo

March 3, 2011 Power1 Farewell Notes: The eternal ignorance and arrogance of Man. The History of Humanity has been a long cycle of surpressor and the surpressed, sinner and the sinned against, voilent and the victim. It is has been a non ending cycle that will continue forever. Do not fall victim to the prank, You have your own Brain, you have your own intelligence, Use it. It is time that you STOP letting the small 1% of the population called the Elite Ruling Class continue their corruptive manipulation. It is time for you to THINK for yourself, Free Energy does EXIST but it will never materialize if you continue to follow the Lies and False Knowledge that is your current

Habit. Do not Believe, that is how you fall victim to their LIES, Do not join any group such as Slovenia, or any of the Authorities in these Forum, avoid following any of the Long time Researchers that have been posting endlessly, DEMAND evidence from them, Demand working prototype. I will not show you a working prototype because I want you to Learn on your Own, Use your own brain, think for yourself, it is not that hard. You do have higher intelligence that resides within you. Allow it to grow and prosper. If you question my Ethic, then May your GOD help you, I do not have any EGO, nor should you, we are all equal. Common people like you and me are getting tired of the abuse, not only of the Economic Slavery, Mental Slavery, Spiritual Slavery but also of their brutality, murdering, torture etc. There is an uprising that is taking momentum worldwide, this is your Chance to Stand UP and Free yourself. Romo: I will no longer post here, complicated issue. Continue your work, show me progress. Post youtube, I will lend a hand there, I will give you my production method for PbS, when you are ready, show me first.

March 3, 2011 Power1 Farewell Notes: The eternal ignorance and arrogance of Man. The History of Humanity has been a long cycle of suppressor and the suppressed, sinner and the sinned against, violence and the victim. It is has been a non ending cycle that will continue forever. Do not fall victim to the

prank. You have your own Brain, you have your own intelligence, Use it. It is time that you STOP letting the small 1% of the population called the Elite Ruling Class continue their corruptive manipulation. It is time for you to THINK for yourself, Free Energy does EXIST but it will never materialize if you continue to follow the Lies and False Knowledge that is your current Habit. Do not Believe, that is how you fall victim to their LIES, Do not join any group such as Slovenia, or any of the Authorities in these Forum, avoid following any of the Long time Researchers that have been posting endlessly, DEMAND evidence from them, Demand working prototype. I will not show you a working prototype because I want you to Learn on your Own, Use your own brain, think for yourself, it is not that hard. You do have higher intelligence that resides within you. Allow it to grow and prosper. If you question my Ethic, then May your GOD help you, I do not have any EGO, nor should you, we are all equal. Common people like you and me are getting tired of the abuse, not only of the Economic Slavery, Mental Slavery, Spiritual Slavery but also of their brutality, murdering, torture etc. There is an uprising that is taking momentum worldwide, this is your Chance to Stand UP and Free yourself. Romo: I will no longer post here, complicated issue. Continue your work, show me progress. Post youtube, I will lend a hand there, I will give you my production method for PbS, when you are ready, show me first.

March 5, 2011 Power1 Farewell Notes: The eternal ignorance and arrogance of Man.

The History of Humanity has been a long cycle of suppressor and the suppressed, sinner and the sinned against, violence and the victim. It is has been a non ending cycle that will continue forever. Do not fall victim to the prank, You have your own Brain, you have your own intelligence, Use it. It is time that you STOP letting the small 1% of the population called the Elite Ruling Class continue their corruptive manipulation. It is time for you to THINK for yourself, Free Energy does EXIST but it will never materialize if you continue to follow the Lies and False Knowledge that is your current Habit. Do not Believe, that is how you fall victim to their LIES. Do not join any group such as Slovenia, or any of the Authorities in these Forums. Avoid following any of the Long time Researchers that have been posting endlessly. DEMAND evidence from them. Demand working prototypes. I will not show you a working prototype because I want you to Learn on your Own, Use your own brain, think for yourself, it is not that hard. You do have higher intelligence that resides within you. Allow it to grow and prosper. If you question my Ethic, then May your GOD help you, I do not have any EGO, nor should you, we are all equal. Common people like you and me are getting tired of the abuse, not only of the Economic Slavery, Mental Slavery, Spiritual Slavery but also of their brutality, murdering, torture etc. There is an uprising that is taking momentum worldwide, this is your Chance to Stand UP and Free yourself. Romo: I will no longer post here, complicated issue. Continue your work, show me progress. Post youtube, I will lend a hand there, I will give you my production method for PbS, when you are ready, show me first.

March 5, 2011

Power1 Chet, Romo and All that stands taller. I am glad to know that I am all Canadian, All of your responses carries the sender's natural imprint, it doesn't matter what type of instrument they are trying to play, your key is still the same. Stop inflicting harm upon yourelf, the price is hefty, let me tell you this. I am not to continue but feel obligated to help any pesron wishing to make the transition. The system of hierarchy is old and far penetrating the entire world causing reversal in the core of humanity. While you tend to upkeep your shop, earning your wage but Now know that Gold was not intended for legal tender, it's much more valuable within you, but the wiser would rather earn copper, and the elders may prefer mercury, but the wisest of all will not dare indulge as Nature is much more pleasant. One that fails to see Our Equality and continues to value possesions and will forever be blinded by the consquences. A fool is just a tool, very dispensable and easily replacable. The world is at their disposal, You now have the Power to make the Change, your chance may not come again!. Socrates had paved the way, the Renaissance accelerated the self intellectual transformation, but they feared of loosing control and massive efforts had resulted in our current confinement and containment. I once seeked God and found that I was him, but after I knew that I know nothing, I saw that I was a Dog, and glad to know of who I am, Nature allowed me to evol.

March 7, 2011 Power1 Power1 Post to Over Unity (March 7 #66)

Good job Romo. Ramset, EF forum, FCR etc and those Standing Tall. There is no Religion being marketed here, As I do not subscribe to Organized Faith where Man is robbed of his intelligence in exchange for Beliefs without Proof. You can NEVER understand the Forces of Nature if you DO NOT UNDERSTAND yourself first. It is that simple. How can you liberate water Gaseous fuel without undertanding the Aether bond that holds bind in the first place. And you will not know the properties of Transmutation if you do not DO the experiment. It is not taught anywhere, WHY?, because NATURE is abundant, everything is right infront of YOU!. How can you harvet the waves if you DO NOT KNOW the properties of the body that moves in the water, creating others motion in perpetual and continue until the limit of material space and immensity. You can not use Math here as you will wander off with infinite equations that holds NOT a single FACT to Reality, The only way for you to LEARN is by doing the Work and Observing, BY YOURSELF ONLY, use your own intelligent, other interference will only hinder the the progress. Differrent Phases of Water, from making Water Fuel to Cold Fusion and many other fascinating possibilities. Tesla described relativity as "a beggar wrapped in purple whom ignorant people take for a king." Beginners, this is a Good Read. "Occult Ether Physics". This book is dedicated to the rediscovery of, examination of, and the integration of these secrets into the public knowledge. Because of the last 76 or more years of progressively intensifying false propaganda and manipulation of knowledge and science, a majority of scientists ridicule the concepts of the existence of an ether and of flying saucers, as if such thinking belonged in the category of a "flat earth" theory and the "little green men" from outer space babblings, but the reverse is true.

The proponents of Relativism and the Big Bang (the "Big Bangers") want you to believe that the universe is finite, so that, if you go "too far", you will "fall off the universe", rather than off a "flat earth". What's the difference? Flat earth...finite universe...they're both dumb theories. And what do the "little green men" lies have to do with exclusively man-made electric flying machines, and technology based on sound and well-established electrical science and physics, but which, like the existence of the ether, has been tucked away in secret vaults, to keep you from using it, while you are being fed false and useless "theories"? These range from "curved space", "time travel", "Big Bang", and "alien abduction" stories, to "parallel universe", "interdimensional travel", and any other outrageously incredible stories, concocted by government spooks, national security personnel, and secret agents in the "UFOlogy" and "pseudodebunker" communities ("pseudo-debunkers" in my vernacular, are official government spokesmen or scientific know-it-alls whose job it is to completely deny the existence of flying saucers, or to ridicule their other covert government counterparts, the UFOlogists, new-agers, or paranormalists).

March 7, 2011 Power1 Power1 Post to Over Unity (March 7 #67) The Human Quality Needed: Virtue (Latin: virtus, Greek: "arete") is moral excellence. A virtue is a trait or quality deemed to be morally excellent and thus is valued as a foundation of principle and good moral being. You do not need ANYONE to teach you, as you already have these qualities but buried deep within you. You need to know how Nature works, the Free Energy is abundant in the enviroment, all you have to do is Harvest it. But How can you Harvest energy if you DO NOT HAVE a clue of what they are.

Transmute, the phases of Elements, how the work, it is simple!. It is no different from going to a lake and taking water with a bucket. Examples of virtues include: ability acceptance altruism assertiveness attention, focus autonomy awareness balance benevolence candor caring caution charity chastity citizenship cleanliness commitment compassion confidence conscientiousness consideration contentment cooperativeness courage courteousness creativity curiosity dependability detachment determination diligence discernment ethical egoism empathy

encouragement endurance enthusiasm equanimity fairness faithfulness, fidelity flexibility foresight forgiveness fortitude friendliness generosity gentleness goodness gratitude, appreciation helpfulness honesty honor hopefulness hospitality humility humor impartiality independence individualism industriousness integrity intuition inventiveness justice kindness knowledge logic lovingness loyalty meekness mercy mindfulness moderation

modesty morality nonviolence nurturing obedience openness optimism order patience peacefulness perseverance philomathy piety potential poverty prudence purity purposefulness reason readiness remembrance resilience respectfulness responsibility restraint, self control reverence salubrity self-awareness self-confidence self-discipline self-reliance self-respect sensitivity service sharing sincerity spirituality stability strength

sympathy tactfulness temperance tenacity thankfulness thoughtfulness trustworthiness truthfulness understanding unity vigilance wisdom wit

March 8, 2011 Romo Ramset, Read the most recent posts I've made. I don't think anyone else will spoon feed you guys any more. It's all there. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7365-discussion-best-wayuse-heat-hho-generate-electricity-16.html I would also appreciate it if you left your age-based prejudices at the door. We youngsters are here to help too. Peace, ==Romo

March 8, 2011 Supergod

Just to verify, when we take it out of the freezer (before reflux) we put the flask in room temp water. Then, assuming I don't have a condenser, I would tighten the rubber stopper and apply heat to the flask until it is at 60C for 2 hours. Sounds easy enough, this is the only step that caused me to stumble a bit, once I do it Im sure it'll come to me.

March 8, 2011 Romo If you don't have a reflux tube -- you're going to want to watch out for pressure build up. I would suggest a cooling mechanism of some sort on the top of a flask -- or maybe a failsafe "pop top", so that the glass/flask doesn't explode. I don't want anyone getting hurt by being careless (by not calibrating/compensating for the pressure build up), Please be careful. The Masonry jars worked beautifully, because they are pretty pressure & heat resistant -- Plus there is a large space in the top of the jar for the gas to cruise around on top. I used a bag of ice atop the masonry jar (was not my idea though) -- and the metal lid allowed the top to get rid of heat pretty well. For your 'hiccup' in the process, The reason you would take the flask out of the ice water -- and let it sit in the room temp. water for about 5 mins or so, is so that the flask does not shatter from thermal shock. ==Romo

March 8, 2011

Power1 New Power1 Message at OverUnity (Post #80)

Great Job Guys, We're Almost There!!

RAD, what caused your poor result? fishman, What binds H2 + O, that is what you need to control, What is it?. It's the link that connects everything, When you understand, then you will Know that there is no separation, dividing knowledge into separated fields of studies will only confuse you more. You will only Learn more if you Know who you are first, Do not wait for your Death experience as it will be too late. MasterPlaster, Give Man all of the Technologies of the World and it will NOT change a thing. Many great men have tried, their efforts were fruitless as common man could not understand and never can see any significances and their findings buried deep. It is not about Technology, Findings etc. etc. It is only about YOU, yourself only and what you Value. This water fuel project is not important any sane person can make crystals and produce piezoelectric water fuel with many different kinds of elements. It's primitive technology, explosion, noise, deterioration etc., sure you can run your car on water and travel or run a genset to make electricity, it is a good start but what is it worth to you?. Chet, you said Knowing takes the Fun out of Life but Knowing that you know nothing is what Life is all about. Man will not lift a rifle if only he knows his virtues. Knowing is not important, Clear Perception is. What you VALUE is what counts, nothing else. We would happily be trading sticks as legal tender if that is what's valued. Paranoid is a natural defense. The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane. - Nikola Tesla. "Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. Every civilization carries the seeds of its own destruction, and the same cycle shows in them all. " - Mark Twain, "Education is the transmission of civilization." - Ariel and Will Durant "The more rapidly a civilization progresses, the sooner it dies for another to rise in its place." - Havelock Ellis, The Dance of Life

"Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos." Will Durant "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." - John Steinbeck

March 9, 2011 Power1 great job RAD, ZnO has many phases, too hot above 80 C and you will have forced hydrolysis where NnO structure is different. How did you test?. I have used clear tupperware shoebox $2 with a custom vacuum molded plastic lid, In the lid I build in vent port and pump mount, any polycarbonate from hardware store works. Plastic molding is cheap good prototyping material, oven plastic and mold over vacuum chamber, only shop vacum is needed. Don't ask me, it's common knowledge. I also used the above gadget to inject atomize water into regular ICE with E3 plug, BIG gas saving!.

March 9, 2011 Power1 hey Almine, no master here, I am just like you, no difference. fog is injected into air intake, works well, but may need tuning according to each vehicle's need. here's a little injector that I put together, make it bigger, better etc.

Romo: good, I'll look forward to it. Chet, fishman: please, no hard feelings, we all the same, pls accept my apologies as well.

March 9, 2011 Romo I would like to point out, that It is all powerme's information -- I still suggest reading his procedure. I wrote it, so that it might help others as a cross-reference. In and of itself, it is not a complete compendium. Powerme, I hope to have a youtube link for you by next weekend with test results. Thank you for being patient, ==Romo

March 9, 2011 Romo I have a few ideas here. If the water molecules are held together by an electric/magnetic bond on a molecular level, would changing the water, alter how it burns at all? In this, I mean by magnetizing the water, will it make it dis-associate easier with the pizeoelectricity? I have noticed that the water become more viscous when it is 'alive' -- it could go either way. Partially related -- Jetijs posted a great ionizer circut. (Here: Ozone generator...) I was thinking of replacing the 12V fan with the ionizer. It also 'pumps' air, but it makes the air negatively charged in polarity. I was thinking

this might have some effect to the way it would burn -- just like it does in a car. If you use one of those air ionizers on the intake manifold on a gasoline engine, you can get away with letting the fuel burn leaner, and using less fuel. I do not know why this works this way, but I have a hunch that I might be able to use the ionizer similarly, to make the car run off of even LESS water. These are just tests I'm going to do when I get this thing up and running -- it sure tickles my imagination to see the different ways in which I can test, and tweak this. I'd also like to ask -- where should I pose general questions about powerme's clues? I had some "dreamthinking" last night I'd like to discuss. Should I start a new thread about this, to keep this one on the "nuts and bolts" procedure? I ask this, as I do not want anyone to think that this project is less legitimate, or workable due to any 'partially related' tangents. Trying to bounce around some ideas, ==Romo

March 9, 2011 Power1

petar113507 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 57 I have a few ideas here. If the water molecules are held together by an electric/magnetic bond on a molecular level, would changing the water, alter how it burns at all? In this, I mean by magnetizing the water, will it make it dis-associate easier with the pizeoelectricity? I have noticed that the water become more viscous when it is 'alive' -- it could go either way. Partially related -- Jetijs posted a great ionizer circut. (Here: Ozone generator...) I was thinking of replacing the 12V fan with the ionizer. It also 'pumps' air, but it makes the air negatively charged in polarity. I was thinking this might have some effect to the way it would burn -- just like it does in a car. If you use one of those air ionizers on the intake manifold on a gasoline engine, you can get away with letting the fuel burn leaner, and using less fuel. I do not know why this works this way, but I have a hunch that I might be able to use the ionizer similarly, to make the car run off of even LESS water. These are just tests I'm going to do when I get this thing up and running -- it sure tickles my imagination to see the different ways in which I can test, and tweak this. I'd also like to ask -- where should I pose general questions about powerme's clues? I had some "dreamthinking" last night I'd like to discuss. Should I start a new thread about this, to keep this one on the "nuts and bolts" procedure? I ask this, as I do not want anyone to think that this project is less legitimate, or workable due to any 'partially related' tangents. March 9, 2011 Trying to bounce around some ideas, ==Romo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------great intelligence Romo, use spark gap with magnet quenching to produce electric wind, this moves

gaseous at the same time solidifying bonding force thus liberating HHO by ionization. Same principle used by Tesla in his Electric flying machine. Electric wind has many peculiar properties too!. Truesearch, You can expect 30% gain minimum, but you can go much higher!. RAD, There is no wrong or right here, please look beyond these forums for knowledge. Best if you conduct think dream, you have much more knowledge than what you now perceive.

March 9, 2011 Power1 Romo, can you expand on your new ideas please, quite fascinating. I only use positive charge for ionization, the beneficial result is well known, lots of old books that explains it, Influencing as it was called. The earth is already charged negative. Thank you all for your interest and efforts.

March 9, 2011 Power1 Quote from: truesearch on March 09, 2011, 10:17:06 PM @ThePowerToBe: Thanks for your reply! I'd like to see what sort of measurable results I can get.

sincerely, truesearch great, please post your process if possible for others to see. I did not add heater etc, but one can build according to their specific need. Slovenia, thank you for your efforts, but please let everyone be Free, We are here on earth as individuals for a reason. Good job, please post your process if you are building too. Electric Wind, electric whirls etc are not well known, old books will hep you understand the effect, there are some patents too.

March 10, 2011 Power1 Great job RAD, not to discourage you but everything that you msay ever need to know has already been done and published and readily available. ZnO crystals have been researched for many different applications, which is great as it will save us lots of time. For testing, it is best to use Air tight chamber and route gas to a small ICE, may be a small genset to power ultrasonic as well. It's a plus to develop speed reading, you can read all of the materials before hand so to have a vast library of your own refrences, it is best to work on your own so that you can observe what is happening without having others tell you of what they think, you can always look for the mainstream coined terms that best describes your observence. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Thank you Slovenia, the back up files will come handy someday. Nature has remedies to aid with your dreams and manifestation of reality. Shaman uses them but I dont. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Romo brought up a totally different route to making HHO from ultrasonic water fog, the process is called Influencing. It is a very effecient process where very little current is needed. This process is still utilized in powder coating today but it's wider application has been halted due to other complicated political issues. Anyhow, only the positive of high frequency high potential voltage is fed thorough spark gap, the negative is grounded. This spark is used to ionize large volume of air with very little energy input, and since our water is already semi gas, we can apply the same method here to produce HHO at very high effeciency. The ionizer is very simple to build and it is robust and realively free maintenance, it consists of a simple TT coil and rectify vacuum tube, no semiconducter is needed. Another method to produce HHO, thanks Romo.

March 10, 2011 Power1

fishman, i have not tried gluing but heck, it's your creation, try and let us know. ZnO is pretty tough,don't worry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Chet, thanks for the new info. HHO alone is will raise ICE temperature unsafely, however the atomize fog acts as a coolant. there are already numerous sites that sells and explain effects of water fog injection kits, some have been doing this for decades successfully, but the ultrasonic HHO is an all new cat in the playground. --------------------------------------------------------------------------Supergod, I am not sure of the application that you had mentioned. The circuit I am talking about is 100 years old. TT, rectify tube, condensors, Ionizing chamber. Simple stuff. I do not care for new age discrete electronics. Submolecule water fog is easily nucleated and ionized to release HHO by white spark from positive charge, NOT the purple spark from negative. An auxiliary tubular condenser chamber will be suitable for this purpose as it can produce electric wind to move fog in and out of chamber at the same time dissociate fog with fine electrostatic force at controlled rate, preferbly 20-40% HHO only. If you still think that water is binded only by H2 + O then you have not learned a thing. Aether has properties, it can be made a solid out of water and the H2 and O that is why H2 and O is released FREELY This is a combination of already known work in Sonochemistry and Cavitation Nucleation. Analog circuitry is much easie to build and very robust, not to mention easily replicable and cheap. --------------------------------------------------------------------------Everyone, When testing your crystals, throw away the transformer that came with the ultrasonic fogger, wind your own transformer, for the single piezo, I run it at 36v, current not important. You can buy just transducer only and mount them yourself, they are $2 each, you need to cast your own housing, metalgury skills. Or better, ask to buy the ultrasonic fogger without power supply, that will shave off some $$. For automotive application, It does not make sense to run and inverter Your transducer needs to run at above 43 khz or you will not have combustible gas. My cells runs at 45 khz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am not a guru, no teacher, no expert, I never ever wish to be one. I am next to Nothing as I'm just another man like you. Guys, follow your guru as you have not and may never learn self intellectual. Best of luck. Have a nice day

March 10, 2011 Romo

My fogger arrived! Whoo! So, I can do my tests a week early! Unfourtunately, this is the only post I could really squeeze in before I'm headed off to the library to get work done. So, I havent been able to do tests with the crystals +Pizeo yet. Soon! Rad HHO, It strikes me that I do not know the vibration rate of my DK-24 Pond fogger. Do you know that of yours? This may be what made your crystals "not work" -- they might not have been vibrating fast enough. (For the pizeoelectric crystals, this means there wouldn't have been a strong enough electrical difference at short range -- so no HHO) I have not conducted any tests yet -- so this is an untested thought. I'll get back to you on this over the weekend. Also, I have a couple of old microwave transformers laying around, (and my friends think it's nuts, but I dont care ) and was thinking about substituting the pond fogger transformer for the bigger one. Problem is, I don't know what the transformer is rated for. I was even thinking -- the transformer on the fogger is rated at 24V -- Could I just add another "step up" transformer between the fogger, and the stockfogger-transformer to step it up a little bit more? Why are we stepping up to 36V? Is there an upper limit to the voltage that I should not cross Does increasing the voltage increase the speed of vibration of the pizeoelectric? If it is not the voltage -- how can we get the fogger to vibrate faster? I'm drawing a blank here you guys -- and I've gotta study and write a paper tonight. I'll pick up on these questions later on the weekend if no one knows the answers. If anyone does though, I would be much obliged for any insight! I will post everything I have done/tested over the weekend. Pictures of setup, Videos of making crystals -- everything I have done. I hope it helps others get up-to-speed. Spring break is here for me after my last midterms(tomorrow!) -- and will be able to go full time on this project soon.

The ball is gettin' a-rollin, ==Romo

March 11, 2011 Power1 Post from OU (Post #109)

March 11, 2011 e2matrix, The TT is the only Tesla Transformer that I utilize, pancake coil type and not the tower everyone uses to create spark show. Tesla confined sparks to prevent loss. The china ultrasonic uses transistor oscillator to tune oscillation frequency, just refresh your memory of Pierce oscillator circuit, tune your resonator to 43 khz. Just like crystal oscillators, there are many ways to do this, crystal angles, temp, voltage etc. You can use a network analyzer to conduct reading, I don fancy these things. There's a wealth of information out there on regular guys like us hacking just about anything that you will ever need to fine tune in this project. Other forums have hacked these cheap piezo and modify them according to their likings. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Romo, please use your intelligence, it is not hard to steup up 12 to 36v?, simple transformer, MOT is overkill. All of the technical specs for your fogger is available online. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Come on people, please be REAL. Anyone serious about this project, it is best to leave these forums and seek required knowledge else where. Google Books, Patents, published papers, electronic forums, chemistry forum etc. They are readily available. Forget about your Free Energy knowledge, Meyers, Boyce etc. You guys just need a CLEAR mind to see it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------While the simplicity of Truth is not exciting, simple things do work best, no exotic myths and tales. Anyone that wants to save on their gas can use my little fog injector, you can also atomize gasoline into vapor, there's a great myth about the 200 mpg car, you can do it now if you wish. YouTube - Ultrasonic Gasoline Vaporizer by Sul-tech Anyhow, these things are real simple and easy to do. I hope you folks will find uses for them and see that there is no Energy Crisis, the only crisis is your Values and the false reality that you continue to perceive.

Good luck to those people in Wisconsin that are standing up for what is right, and great job for those in Maine that fought for food sovereignty. You are what you eat people, you need good natural minerals to think and see clearly. What is in your food?.

March 11, 2011 Question from OU (Post #108) March 10, 2011 E2matrix Thanks again for all your help. A couple questions. I've seen TT coil and TT come up a couple times but I don't know what that is unless you are referring to a car HV ignition coil? Question also about the Ultrasonic frequency. None that I've seen state their operating frequency. Do most of them operate above 43 Khz? Or will we need to modify them some way to get the higher frequency. While I have never taken one apart I assume there is a small oscillator circuit in them driving the ceramic transducer. I did build an ultrasonic transmitter from scratch about 40 years ago to demonstrate Doppler effects but it's transducer is not made for fogging or use in water. I think it is in the 25-30 Khz range. I do have a frequency reader although I'm not sure how to hook it up to a fogger as they look sealed as I expect they would need to be in order to be water tight. I did unscrew the top on one to remove a broken disk but below that it appears all sealed with no access to the electronics or output connections. Anyone have any ideas to know what frequency these run at or how we can get them above 43 Khz?

March 11, 2011 E2matrix post from OU (Post #197)

March 10, 2011 E2matrix Response to Romo's last post. NO! Do NOT use a MOT between your power supply and the fogger or you will destroy your fogger. You would be multiplying the voltage by about 15 to 20 times and MOT's can handle all the current you throw at them so you would potentially be putting about 480 volts at serveral amps into your little ultrasonic circuit = Instant Destruction! Like Altrez said MOT's are dangerous for many reasons and even if it wasn't dangerous for you it would be instant death for your equipment if set up like that.

March 11, 2011 Power1 Post from OU (Post #111) March 11, 2011 great efforts fishman, the technical data is widely available. A little hacking is all that's needed to tune the resonator or transducer or piezo or what ever one wishes to call it, have fun but be very careful!. anyone working on increasing their MPG, this is a very good demo YouTube - GASOLINE VAPOR COMBUSTION IS AIDED BY HHO great job Peter is you are still out there.

March 11, 2011 Power1 Post from OU (Post #112) Quote from: fishman on Today at 03:41:33 PM

I have seen one fogger with frequency listing, it was (CORRECTION 30khz) for a single US transducer the volt listed at 24 volts. Multi-disk units listed 36 and 48 volts. Unfortunately i cant find that listing anymore to verify that. (I was able to verify 30hz @24 volts) I assume you can simply raise the voltage and the frequency goes up also. The Power also mentioned that he has used a PWM. I'm going to figure this out myself this weekend with the help from a equal, Not A Teacher, friend i have. Power1 Response: great efforts fishman, the technical data is widely available. A little hacking is all that's needed to tune the resonator or transducer or piezo or what ever one wishes to call it, have fun but be very careful!. anyone working on increasing their MPG, this is a very good demo YouTube - GASOLINE VAPOR COMBUSTION IS AIDED BY HHO great job Peter is you are still out there.

March 11, 2011 Romo Post on OverUnity (Post #113)

March 11, 2011 Romo Thank you for the quick replies, and the concern for saftey. I did not mean to come off as stupid, hasty, or unrealistic. I was kind of rushed for cramming for classes, and threw out a half solidified idea out there. One of the things I meant to include -- (Yes, but no-one had known aside from me... ) was that I was trying to hack open (break open) the MOT, to try to scrap some of the coils to use in a smaller transformer. It turns out, that even that wasn't too great of an idea, as the entire housing was firmly welded shut. If I had an HHO torch (which I hope to have soon) it might stand a fighting chance -- but as of yet -- that was mostly just a bad idea. Like I said, thank you for the concern. We all learn things as we work -- I just learned I need to more thoroughly mull through my ideas before sharing them. :O With that apology @ all, I will mention that I am not very knowledgeable (yet) about pizeo's or modifying them to be at a higher frequency. This one goes on the backburner for a few days for me. Onwards, Powerme is leaving a lot of tangents around. I know they are all inter-related, and very important (from my perspective) towards the goal of thinking in "higher octaves" (as walter russel would put it). I think this is the goal here -- because this would reflect what powerme is trying to teach us -- Self reliance, and the abillity to think through the problems at hand. If we can do that (No offense powerme), but we wouldn't need him -- nor to constantly ask him for answers. As frustrating as that may be for the replicators -- as we want to first completely make a system work exactly as the inventor had it work -thinking in this manner would allow us to further improve on a design, while we would see how it works. While we may be thinking "OOh, Treasure!" for the system that powerme has disclosed to us -- I beleive that he wants us to look for something different.

The KEY to the treasure is what he is trying to show us -- At least, this is what I think. If you have a single key, to a single treasure chest, you are entitled to all the rewards within that chest. (Understanding the ) If you were to have, however -- the key to ANY treasure chest -- you have the potential to reap all the treasures of the world. This is to know the wheelwork of nature, so that we may tap it into every facet for adapt to our needs. In this case indeed, the key to the treasure, IS the real treasure. That is, understanding why those matierals do that, is the treasure here. The Problem is (for me) -- because I feel I am running out of time, and need to get as much done as possible -- the sheer quantity of tangents is almost overwhelming. This is not to say that I CAN do the work over time, and learn about it -- but I feel that we are pressed for exactly that -- time. Regardless, I will start with what I think I am good at first. I will begin with Powerme's little tangents he keeps leaving around. Thereafter, if no one else has presented anything about pizeo's, I'll follow up with more research about pizeoelectrics and see if I can help in that area. Fishman, I look foreward to hearing what you find out. It's the start of spring break for me, so I expect to be pouring a lot of time into this project. I'm also beginning fasting for a week of spring break -- so I should get more time in to read, because I don't have to prepare food. ======================= Powerme's Tangents: ======================= (Work in Progress -- will edit post by tonight) ==Romo

March 11, 2011 Romo Post on OverUnity (Post #113 Continued & Updated)

This post takes off where Romo left off on his last Post #113 at OU. I will start with what I think I am good at first. These are my thoughts -- I have read or seen most of this information somewhere (But I cannot recall usually where, so I cannot cite sources). If anyone has a response, or a further idea to these reflections -- I hope this sparks a discussion, so that we might help each other understand a little more. ======================= Powerme's Tangents: ======================= ======================== While you tend to upkeep your shop, earning your wage but Now know that Gold was not intended for legal tender, it's much more valuable within you ======================== On this, I think he is talking about Gold's original purpose -- ORME's. ORME's were the reason that gold was coveted -- because of what it could be turned into -- not because the darned metal is a "rare, precious metal" in the earth at all. Not in its yellow-metallic state anyhow. Think about this for a moment, Gold is not inherently worth anything -- it is just another bit of light/matter (whatever you wish to call it) -- it was attributed to have a worth between humans because many humans desired it. Many people did not nescessarialy desire the matieral itself, but what the matieral would allow them to do. I do not exactly know what happened to the gold molecules in order to get into the ORME state -- I have a vauge idea of what they must undergo to get into this state -- but I do not know why they must do that, to get to that state. I know that in this state, they are "superconducting" -- they are pushed along an ion channel very easily by the "smallest" of potentials. If you think about this in terms of a music -- a lower, bass note octave pushes a whole lot of air to provide the pressure wave we experience as sound -- Kind of like a brutish,

powerful primal thought. I liken this to "instinct". A "higher" octave of the bass note, would be a higher pitch -- and would concequently be vibrating much faster. In order for your brain to be able to pick up all of the information embedded in the carrier wave (the faster vibrating rate) -- (connecting it here to the brain) it would need to be pushed along the ion channel easier. The mother lode of this is in ORME's -superconducting. You would be more "sensitive" if your brain had superconducting elements in it. Interesting -- because your brain ALREADY has those elements in it -- Traces of ORME's are in the grey matter of your brain. Think about your brain for a moment. The finer, more inter-connected the neurons are, the more diverse/inter-connected your thoughts are. Very intelligent people suposedly have very diverse neural connections. Does this sound at all like how powerme was saying "See how everything is the same" -- In order to do this, your brain must be pretty darned interconnected. This would be, in part -- due to having ingested ORME's. But I do not think you ingest the orme's raw though. There were some papers I read a while back about the way that we currently farm. I beleive they were some papers done in the 40's in the US about remineralizing the soil, because the natural nutrients which our bodies NEED in order to stay healthy, were being leeched from the soil. This included ORME's. That was in the 40's. I cannot safely assume that the soils have gotten much better since then, as these papers were largely ignored by the general public. There is a very subtle taste difference in organic food, and processed food as well. I notice it -- I think the food tastes full of life-giving-substance. Maybe that's just me. I think the feeling of "satiated" with food, or being "full" is the sign that your body gives you telling you that you've tanked up on enough nutrients, and you don't need to eat anymore. Processed food doesn't even make you feel full (think of a box of lucky charms :O ) -- I always viewed this an extention of the lack of nutrients in those heavily processed foods.

It's almost like your body is telling you "Naah. Not much nutrients here." and won't give you a "satisfied" or satiated feeling. Eventually it will give your stomach the feeling of being "filled with mass" -- which is usually what people confuse for the upper limit of their eating capicity. They think that their stomach being full of mass = full. That, as far as I can see, is inadvertent gluttony. Part, from lack of self control, but also in part, due that they aren't treating their body right, with the right nutrients! Monocultures are constantly leeching nutrients out of the soil. The soil actually USED to have trace ammounts of collidal gold, and silver in the 'olden days' -- plus some ORME (gold,Rhodium, Iridium) -- and potentially other "Precious metals". (Ever wonder why they were "precious" metals? Remember, it's not due to the inherent quantity on this planet. Silver-ware? Used to actually be made of silver, so we would ingest silver!) Before I go on -- ORME's are already present in your brain matter. Having more of them present in your brain, would allow you to "see" more subtle connections. Would this also result in you being more "in tune" with your higher self? Or being more "enlightened", or more intelligent? I do not know. To me, without going much into beleifs, it makes sense that superconducting elements in your brain would change the octave (frequency domain) in which you think. ============== and the elders may prefer mercury, but the wisest of all will not dare indulge as Nature is much more pleasant. ============== Ingesting ORME's directly seems to be a mistake that most people make. (At least, I think so -- this is a personal hunch.) Ingesting these elements through your food -- would explain why "nature is kinder". If you were to directly ingest such a concentrated dosage of the

ORME's, I think there might be some kind of negative side effects. I'm not sure -- but I don't want to really take the risk at my body's expense. Nature would be kinder. It woule be the natural way to have your body asborb the minerals. This is also why Powerme has been so amandant about eating organic foods that you grow yourself. You could "dope" the soil with some of those ORME's, or precious metals from seawater. Incidently, I have considered a similar process for growing my own spirulina, or kelp in my living room -- so that I could ensure also doping the foods with those elements to take care of myself. Your thinking capicity is going to be limited by your body if you don't take care of it. this is where in eastern philosophies/practices, they regarded your body as a "temple". In order for you to have the capicity to think at this "upper level" (to understand the wheelworks, and interconnectedness of nature), you cannot be cramming your face full of burgers on a daily basis. Hence also, "you are what you eat". =========== but the wiser would rather earn copper, ==================== I think this is very interesting. I always thought wise people who were working in the now -- were saving up for the future. So -- put more work in now -- reap rewards later, kind of thing. Well -- why would we be saving copper for later, in the future? As John Bedini showed in EFTV 18 (Transmutation) -- Copper IS gold, only it is just a "octave" under it. It only needs to undergo a phase transition, or shift in order to become gold. This seems to imply that we may undergo a phase transiton; that our bodies are capable of catalyzing this phase transition (Like us being able to make gold, into an ORME through meditation maybe?) ======================= and the elders may prefer mercury, but the wisest of all will not dare indulge

as Nature is much more pleasant. ======================= I don't understand the mercury though. Is this relevant to anyone? Does this help at all? I am writing some more things from his clues. This is really just a very small isolated tangent. I would like to discuss these things otherwise though -- get some fresh perspectives to see a little more clearly. Lemme know if these thoughts are too scattered Best wishes to all, (it was long, and more coming will be longer too...) ==Romo Last Edit: Today at 02:05:21 AM by petar113507

March 12, 2011 Romo Post on OverUnity (Post #113 Updated March 12)

March 12, 2011 (Edited Version) Romo Thank you for the quick replies, and the concern for saftey. I did not mean to come off as stupid, hasty, or unrealistic. I was kind of rushed for cramming for classes, and threw out a half solidified idea out there. One of the things I meant to include -- (Yes, but no-one had known aside from me... ) was that I was trying to hack open (break open) the MOT, to try to scrap some of the coils to use in a smaller transformer. It turns out, that even that wasn't too great of an idea, as the entire housing was firmly welded shut. If I had an HHO torch (which I hope to have soon) it might stand a fighting chance -- but as of yet -- that was mostly just a bad idea. Like I said, thank you for the concern. We all learn things as we work -- I just learned I need to more thoroughly mull through my ideas before sharing them. :O With that apology @ all, I will mention that I am not very knowledgeable (yet) about pizeo's or modifying them to be at a higher frequency. This one goes on the backburner for a few days for me. Onwards, Powerme is leaving a lot of tangents around. I know they are all inter-related, and very important (from my perspective) towards the goal of thinking in "higher octaves" (as walter russel would put it). I think this is the goal here -- because this would reflect what powerme is trying to teach us -- Self reliance, and the abillity to think through the problems at hand. If we can do that (No offense powerme), but we wouldn't need him -- nor to constantly ask him for answers. As frustrating as that may be for the replicators -- as we want to first completely make a system work exactly as the inventor had it work -thinking in this manner would allow us to further improve on a design, while we would see how it works. While we may be thinking "OOh, Treasure!" for the system that powerme has disclosed to us -- I beleive that he wants us to look for something different.

The KEY to the treasure is what he is trying to show us -- At least, this is what I think. If you have a single key, to a single treasure chest, you are entitled to all the rewards within that chest. (Understanding the singular system ) If you were to have, however -- the key to ANY treasure chest -- you have the potential to reap all the treasures of the world. This is to know the wheelwork of nature, so that we may tap it into every facet for adapt to our needs. In this case indeed, the key to the treasure, IS the real treasure. That is, understanding why those matierals do that, is the treasure here. The Problem is (for me) -- because I feel I am running out of time, and need to get as much done as possible -- the sheer quantity of tangents is almost overwhelming. This is not to say that I am at all, in any way resentful -- I feel very privelaged to have been exposed to all of this type of information. I only wish I could sometimes have more exact clues, or more time to sift through them. I CAN do the work over time, and learn about it -- but I feel that we are pressed for exactly that -- time. /rant I will begin with Powerme's little tangents he keeps leaving around. Thereafter, if no one else has presented anything about pizeo's, I'll follow up with more research about pizeoelectrics and see if I can help in that area. Fishman, I look foreward to hearing what you find out. It's the start of spring break for me, so I expect to be pouring a lot of time into this project. I'm also beginning fasting for a week of spring break -- so I should get more time in to read, because I don't have to prepare food. I will start with what I think I am good at first. These are my thoughts -- I have read or seen most of this information somewhere (But I cannot recall usually where, so I cannot cite sources). If anyone has a response, or a further idea to these reflections -- I hope this sparks a discussion, so that we might

help each other understand a little more. ======================= Powerme's Tangents: ======================= ======================== While you tend to upkeep your shop, earning your wage but Now know that Gold was not intended for legal tender, it's much more valuable within you ======================== On this, I think he is talking about Gold's original purpose -- ORME's. ORME's were the reason that gold was coveted -- because of what it could be turned into -- not because the darned metal is a "rare, precious metal" in the earth at all. Not in its yellow-metallic state anyhow. Think about this for a moment, Gold is not inherently worth anything -- it is just another bit of light/matter (whatever you wish to call it) -- it was attributed to have a worth between humans because many humans desired it. Many people did not nescessarialy desire the matieral itself, but what the matieral would allow them to do. I do not exactly know what happened to the gold molecules in order to get into the ORME state -- I have a vauge idea of what they must undergo to get into this state -- but I do not know why they must do that, to get to that state. I know that in this state, they are "superconducting" -- they are pushed along an ion channel very easily by the "smallest" of potentials. If you think about this in terms of a music -- a lower, bass note octave pushes a whole lot of air to provide the pressure wave we experience as sound -- Kind of like a brutish, powerful primal thought. I liken this to "instinct". A "higher" octave of the bass note, would be a higher pitch -- and would concequently be vibrating much faster. In order for your brain to be able to pick up all of the information embedded in the carrier wave (the faster vibrating rate) -- (connecting it here to the brain) it would need to be pushed along the ion channel easier. The mother lode of this is in ORME's --

superconducting. You would be more "sensitive" if your brain had superconducting elements in it. Interesting -- because your brain ALREADY has those elements in it -- Traces of ORME's are in the grey matter of your brain. Think about your brain for a moment. The finer, more inter-connected the neurons are, the more diverse/inter-connected your thoughts are. Very intelligent people suposedly have very diverse neural connections. Does this sound at all like how powerme was saying "See how everything is the same" -- In order to do this, your brain must be pretty darned interconnected. This would be, in part -- due to having ingested ORME's. But I do not think you ingest the orme's raw though. There were some papers I read a while back about the way that we currently farm. I beleive they were some papers done in the 40's in the US about remineralizing the soil, because the natural nutrients which our bodies NEED in order to stay healthy, were being leeched from the soil. This included ORME's. That was in the 40's. I cannot safely assume that the soils have gotten much better since then, as these papers were largely ignored by the general public. There is a very subtle taste difference in organic food, and processed food as well. I notice it -- I think the food tastes full of life-giving-substance. Maybe that's just me. I think the feeling of "satiated" with food, or being "full" is the sign that your body gives you telling you that you've tanked up on enough nutrients, and you don't need to eat anymore. Processed food doesn't even make you feel full (think of a box of lucky charms :O ) -- I always viewed this an extention of the lack of nutrients in those heavily processed foods. It's almost like your body is telling you "Naah. Not much nutrients here." and won't give you a "satisfied" or satiated feeling. Eventually it will give your stomach the feeling of being "filled with mass" -- which is usually what people confuse for the upper limit of their eating capicity. They think that their stomach being full of mass = full. That, as far as I can see, is inadvertent gluttony. Part, from lack of self control, but also in part, due that they aren't

treating their body right, with the right nutrients! Monocultures are constantly leeching nutrients out of the soil. The soil actually USED to have trace ammounts of collidal gold, and silver in the 'olden days' -- plus some ORME (gold,Rhodium, Iridium) -- and potentially other "Precious metals". (Ever wonder why they were "precious" metals? Remember, it's not due to the inherent quantity on this planet. Silver-ware? Used to actually be made of silver, so we would ingest silver!) Before I go on -- ORME's are already present in your brain matter. Having more of them present in your brain, would allow you to "see" more subtle connections. Would this also result in you being more "in tune" with your higher self? Or being more "enlightened", or more intelligent? I do not know. To me, without going much into beleifs, it makes sense that superconducting elements in your brain would change the octave (frequency domain) in which you think. ============== and the elders may prefer mercury, but the wisest of all will not dare indulge as Nature is much more pleasant. ============== Ingesting ORME's directly seems to be a mistake that most people make. (At least, I think so -- this is a personal hunch.) Ingesting these elements through your food -- would explain why "nature is kinder". If you were to directly ingest such a concentrated dosage of the ORME's, I think there might be some kind of negative side effects. I'm not sure -- but I don't want to really take the risk at my body's expense. Nature would be kinder. It woule be the natural way to have your body asborb the minerals. This is also why Powerme has been so amandant about eating organic foods that you grow yourself. You could "dope" the soil with some of those ORME's, or

precious metals from seawater. Incidently, I have considered a similar process for growing my own spirulina, or kelp in my living room -- so that I could ensure also doping the foods with those elements to take care of myself. Your thinking capicity is going to be limited by your body if you don't take care of it. this is where in eastern philosophies/practices, they regarded your body as a "temple". In order for you to have the capicity to think at this "upper level" (to understand the wheelworks, and interconnectedness of nature), you cannot be cramming your face full of burgers on a daily basis. Hence also, "you are what you eat". =========== but the wiser would rather earn copper, ==================== I think this is very interesting. I always thought wise people who were working in the now -- were saving up for the future. So -- put more work in now -- reap rewards later, kind of thing. Well -- why would we be saving copper for later, in the future? As John Bedini showed in EFTV 18 (Transmutation) -- Copper IS gold, only it is just a "octave" under it. It only needs to undergo a phase transition, or shift in order to become gold. This seems to imply that we may undergo a phase transiton; that our bodies are capable of catalyzing this phase transition (Like us being able to make gold, into an ORME through meditation maybe?) ======================= and the elders may prefer mercury, but the wisest of all will not dare indulge as Nature is much more pleasant. ======================= I don't understand the mercury though. Is this relevant to anyone? Does this help at all? I am writing some more

things from his clues. This is really just a very small isolated tangent. I would like to discuss these things otherwise though -- get some fresh perspectives to see a little more clearly. Lemme know if these thoughts are too scattered Best wishes to all, (it was long, and more coming will be longer too...) ==Romo Last Edit: Today at 06:23:48 AM by petar113507

March 12, 2011 Romo Post on OverUnity (Post #114) March 12, 2011 Romo I would also like to add, I'm no expert here. I just think that all of powerme's ideas should be given careful consideration, as they do seem to relate to understanding more about the universe around us, and in us. ==Romo

March 12, 2011 e2matrix post from OU (Post #114) March 12, 2011 e2matrix, From what I understand about ultrasonic transducers (the fogger) they are basically a sealed oscillator circuit that uses a ceramic disk as a type of high frequency speaker. So if I am correct changing the voltage input will not alter the frequency and may only damage your oscillator if it is too high. I think it

is more likely there will be a resistor somewhere in the oscillator circuit that will raise or lower the frequency. I think as power to be has mentioned there are a lot of hardware hacking type forums that will probably have info on this. I hesitated to open the one I have as there did not seem to be any easy access to the circuit board but there is always a way but it will just take a little more effort. It would be also a consideration if we could find a manufacturer to get some specs on them and see if any might be higher if if we had enough people here interested maybe the could make a small run of enough with a higher frequency. I also suspect it would not be hard to make your own 555 chip based oscillator to run one of these. It's quite easy to build 555 circuits as they typically only require the one inexpensive chip and a small handful of components like a couple resistors and maybe a cap or two. I just not sure if the direct output from a 555 would be strong enough for the ceramic disk or peizo. I could be wrong about this but that's my take on it as I did build an ultrasonic transmitter and a separate receiver many year ago. They are not much different than a basic audio tone generator circuit except just above human hearing in the ultrasonic range and thus the speakers become tranducers.

March 12, 2011 Power1 Post from OU (Post #114) March 12, 2011 Power1 great thinking Romo, sound like you are ready for a journey into the higher realm. Many moons ago, i was over lavished with the cosmic bliss but keep keep on going and taking nothing for granted. ewizard, china piezo were designed for water atomizing, fits the bill well, just work on raising oscillation, very doable. you can easily get ready made commercial resonator units, just look around.

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March 14, 2011 Romo Allrighty, At first my procedures were very strict -- but now they're a lot more lax. I'm going to post some pictures outlining my equipment, and what I do with them. First things first: I don't know if anyone's ever inhaled ANY ammonium hydroxide Nh3(OH) before This is the only website that I needed some technical information from. I suggest looking for more to understand what you need to until your curiosity is satisfied. This has, thus far, worked excellently for me. http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/ammonia_refrigeration/ammonia/index.ht ml Specifically, this table: Summary of properties: Boiling Point -28F Weight per gallon of liquid at -28F 5.69 pounds Weight per gallon of liquid at 60F 5.15 pounds Specific gravity of the liquid (water=1) 0.619 Specific gravity of the gas (air=1) 0.588 Flammable limits in air 16-25% Ignition temperature 1204F Vapor pressure at 0F 16 psi Vapor pressure at 68F 110 psi Vapor pressure at 100F 198 psi One cubic foot of liquid at 60F expands to 850 cubic foot of gas So, the stuff that we're looking for turns into a gas at 28F or higher. Most of the time, it will not freeze if you are careful.

I'll mix in some pictures of my equipment too, so it doesn't get too dull for anyone. First: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0312012036.jpg) At first I used this distilling system. Looks like a regular distilling system -Kinda like you might use to make rubbing alcolhol, or make beer flat, and non-alcolholic. It worked allright, but I had some technical difficulties. It has to do with the "boiling point" as listed above. At first, I had thoght I just had to heat up the 1-GAL container, and wait for the ammonium condense on the other side. So my first 24 hours (last week) were spent, waiting for something to condense out, and it wouldn't. With little critical thinking, I looked up the table I have listed above -- and realized it will only condense into a liquid at a significantly lower temperature. (Doh) (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0312012101.jpg) So then I put the two bottle contraptions into the mini fridge, and connected them at the tops with my distilling-contraption. This works as I have found, but good luck if anything freezes in the aluminum pipe. Warning: If you inhale 10% ammonium hydroxide, you will feel a burn in your nostrils like you have inhaled essence bleach or wasabi. The warning is, as follows: It is Very painful. Breathe in twice, and you get lightheaded enough that you need to sit down, in a well ventilated area -- and are incapicated for about 10-20 minutes. Leave your eyes open when pouring to a different jar, and it burns your eyeballs quite badly. (Not physical burn, but quite the sting.)

This is the only time, that I have been grateful that I had lab goggles for chemistry. I have even resorted to using (swimming) goggles. Looks goofy, works great. That is working with the 10% stuff. I have been working with my concentrated stuff with by breathe held, and swimmers goggles, and clothespin over my nose. Like I said -- It looks goofy but I don't even want to find out what it is to make a mistake with the concentrated stuff. This has been your warning. It turns out, you don't need all the aluminum tubing fancy stuff. Turns out, After a moment of clear thinking -- most of my fancy add-ons were unnescessary. The simplified version -- (The day that superman9976 posted the same thing! Great idea! ) -- is throwing it in the fridge, and leaving it at a coldest temperature I can set my fridge to. The water freezes and the ammonium stays liquid. (laugh smiley) If you want to Read his simplified procedure: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7422-growing-crystalspiezoelectric-energy-harvesting-2.html#post134004 He also has some great points. Another source to contrast against the original procedure. And when it emerges, the water should be frozen, but not the other stuff. The slush looks like this (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0313011230.jpg) I take out the water while it is half-frozen (still slushie form), and strain it through a metal strainer -- to filter out some ice. (Remember, do this outside) I then put the solution into the second container. Put the second container back in the freezer. Rinse and repeat. Strainer: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-

ICE/0312012358.jpg) I do not know the exact concentration -- I poured in about 600 ml in the beginning, and it was concentrated @ 10%. You gotta do a little bit of math, to see that when the concentration is at about 200ML or LESS, then your concentration is "enough". A little more won't hurt, but it WILL add more pressure to your reflux condenser. But, Speaking of the reflux condenser: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0312012122.jpg) (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0312012121.jpg) Okay, so now that you've got the ammonium at the right concentration, what next? Go through the crystal procedure: Cook at to 60* C, adding in the Zno. Slowly doesn't really matter. I can even pop off the lid of the jar, and dump in 30 G at once, and then mix it up with my "stirrer". I suggest "popping" the lid outside, as doing it inside will take quite a while to clear out. My "stirrer" (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0312012131.jpg) Three magnets are on the left sides. (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0312012132.jpg) The one in my hand, I threw inside the jar too -- the ones on the drill stayed like that. Throw it into a big pot of water -- Cook it at 60* C.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0313011327.jpg) The water/oil/whatever you use acts as a thermal buffer. It stores up a lot of heat -- so your stove going on/off every so often doesn't matter. Just keep the water around 60, and you can sit back and relax. Note that I had the reflux thermometer, and the outside solution thermometer. The thermometer on the reflux jar tells me the internal temp. of the solution -- and the outside candy thermometer (atop the pot of water) tells me how hot the water "buffer" is. Comparing between the two has given me "good enough" temp. control. Eventually though -- if you don't wanna be that fancy, I found that keeping the outside solution between 65-70C, and an ice cube on top of the 1/2 gal kept it the "right" temperature. Throw in the Zinc oxide when it gets hot enough. (60*) Stir it every 5 mins or so. I spent this time reading, and getting up to pick up my jar, and use the "stirrer". Let it get down to 0* (Freezer/fridge) (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0313011517.jpg) Take the mix out when it has sat at 0* for about an hour. Let it sit in warmer water, so as to avoid breaking your glass. Sit for 5 mins to avoid thermal shock. (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0313011358.jpg) Cook it again @ 60* C, stirring it to break up the crystals from getting too

large. (every 5-10 mins for 2 hours.) (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0313011653.jpg) Even if you mess up a little bit, you still grow crystals. Here, I have about 2-3 times the original. Before: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0313011351.jpg) After: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHOICE/0313011919.jpg) Tests with them and with the pizeoelectric are on the prioroity list for the next few days. I grew the last batch to be slightly larger than the other crystals,so that they might perhaps use a slower wave frequencey. Next few days should tell me that. I've got a good feeling about getting this done, ==Romo ================================ I don't know about anyone else, but JB's most recent quote: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7351-bedini-earth-light15.html#post134012
Quote from: JB Question......... Inquorate, This is a subject that I really do not want to get into, but I will answer you this one time. The cell did bounce around a little very small amount with the charting. But the Scalar

Tuner was all over the place. I'm sorry to say this but were not finished with any of this. It's going to get far worse and "They" know it, that is why they are storing food, but not for us just them. It is time to put all differences aside and work together. I really hate to know anything about any of this, but I guess it's my path in life. I just see things far different then most people and always have. Yes I'm off the wall sometimes but I'm really afraid at what I see going on with the whole world. Take for example the Sun and what is going on with it, that Star can cook you right one side of the planet, reason for under ground bases built everywhere, but not for you. That is all I'm going to say about it. John B This has been the reason I've been driving in overhaul about this energy stuff for the past few years. Does anyone else know why I've felt pressed for time?

March 14, 2011 Romo Piezo So I got fed up with looking at the blank pages, I couldn't find the right information about the transformer, or pizeo circut. So I cracked it open. It looks like the transformer is just the transformer -- nothing to break up or modify really in there. (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/0313012049.jpg) it would be then, potentially something inside the circut. I would need to, therefore, break open the pizeoelectric transducer itself, and either modify, or replace something in there. (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/0313012053.jpg) Does anyone have any leads that I can run with in doing this at all? I'm looking for a certain resistor or potentiometer. Can we brainstorm at all in how to get the pizeo tuned?

Closer, ==Romo (P.S.-- Copper IS gold picture I was talking about: (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/CopperISGold.jpg))

March 14, 2011 Romo

Two things. One -- Distilling the ammonium is easiest done inside the freezer, and a jar of some kind. Bring it down to 0* -- the water freezes, and the ammonium doesnt. Use a metalfilter, to "screen" off the ice. Do it twice, and it's WAY above the concentration that we need for this experiment. THAT is the simplest that I've found, and stick to this one as of yet. Takes about 6 hours to distill it twice. Second, Those "natures aids" reminded me of something I read about shaman, and psychoactives. They called Salvia divinorum the "shaman's herb". Someone I knew, also grew crystals (a concentrated version of the psychoactive in Salvia) from the stuff, and tripped out really hard. Kid never was the same thereafter. Drugs, are not the "real" way to open up various parts of your endocrine system (chakras) -- but can temporarily open them up, so that you know when the thing is "open" or not. For some people, it works because it gives them a roadmap of getting themselves more "enlightened" but because your body needs to 'process' the chemicals, it can be harder on your liver or kidneys. Knowing when the different parts are "open" can let you know what you need to do, on a daily basis in order to become more "open". Now, taking drugs -- won't help you if you don't pay attention to where your feelings go in the first place. This might be a little bit over some people's heads -- but feelings travel places in your body. When you are frustrated, or angry -- Most people know the "lump" in your throat. How did the lump get there? Where does it go when you get rid of it? (Answer here, Most people know the sigh after being frustrated & had solved it -- The sigh is the physical indicator of a deeper process. When I say the feelings "travel" between bodyparts -- I am asking you to pay attention to where your feelings go, or how they feel when they go somewhere. You

become more sensitive with this over time.) Also, people don't always pay attention to the "tingles" that happen when you have a good idea, or have done something right. Your body is a very powerful tool, and will tell you quite a bit you'll need to know. All you need do, is listen. If you are sensitive to these internal processes, and are aware what happens to you on a regular basis -- experiencing the altered state, can be insightful. This is terribly off tangent though. Onward to the pizeo-electric today and tomorrow! ==Romo

March 14, 2011 Power1 Hey Slovenia, Thank you for your continued effort. Your pvc idea is great, it is a very durable material. My little shoebox was just a quick way to entice people into seeing the many possibilities of water as fuel. Experiment with your setup, you will come up with your own unique way. For self eccentric, it will develop over time, much like speech process. My process started with cosmic orgasm, and the manifestation of intelligent entities, yes they do exist, hence I was a Dog but don't dwell upon the phases, keep moving. -------------------------------------------------------------------------Romo, you have a great mind, there are many papers though restricted in Sonochemistry and other published works that employed Keeleys findinds of water dissociation at 43khz. The ZnO crystals amplifies the HHO production. -------------------------------------------------------------------------Nature is the best way to go, but a concentrated natural dose will allow one to experience the higher realm first hand, not a good way but a helpful one, Leary had already explained them but it's a tiny portion of the All.

Good luck all and thank you for your efforts, everyone has their own unique way.

March 14, 2011 Romo Quote from: RAD-HHO on March 13, 2011, 07:00:42 PM
Romo, Have you seen the video Power to be posted the link for a while back? I almost missed it. His transducer is out of a humidifier and it operates at 48 Khz. It has the driver circuit too. Easy access for mods. I may have to go to walmart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwWj-gcYPTg&feature=related Great video. Thanks again Power to be. Thanks for the link! I totally missed that. From the looks of things, as I am taking apart one of the two transducers I have -- They look like they're not going to give up their little circutboard easily. This leads me to the conclusion, we will effectively have to build our own circutboard, or find one. Circutry, gentlemen, is not my area of expertise. Is there any way we can have circutboards made through an onlinecompany, and then distributed through this group? I might know a few of them that wouldn't be too expensive. Like I said though -- It is not my area of expertise. I do not think I have the technical-know-how to build one of those things from scratch. I'm currently looking up the how-to's -- but I think there must be a faster way. So, what I am proposing, is to make a joint effort to create the circutboard/oscilator circut, and then we would purchase them, distribute them -- and effectively have the same working oscillator on the transducer in the end. Please contact me via PM, or at askromo@gmail.com I am looking to get this done as soon as possible (within a few days). If you're on the ball for this project, I hope to hear from you. On a side note -- has anyone given much consideration as to where to bind the crystals?

I was thinking of putting them on the inside of a copper-pipe and laying a very thin layer of expoxy or ceramic therein. (pipe as per-that last video) I could then put the spark gap outside the pipe, and into a secondary mist chamber. The primary "mister" would be governed by the "influencer" to produce more HHO. The secondary chamber would be towards adding more water vapor, so that the mixture does not become too HHO rich. Then, on to the inlet/intake manifold. The valve on the side of the copper pipe would be attached to a refill-sensor (for a later build version), and added water when need be. Like this,

==Romo

March 14, 2011 E2matrix

petar113507, Is the item in your hand in the last picture the inside bottom (or top) of the ultrasonic fogger? If so it's no surprise that it appears to be encased in silicone or some other potting material since the unit has to be underwater. If it's silicone rubber like it may be possible to peel away the silicone to get at the circuit but if it's a harder material it's probably going to difficult to avoid damaging the circuit. I think it would be fairly easy to build a circuit but I would mostly be concerned about how well it would work with the existing disk if the frequency is much higher that the circuit feeding it now. The circuit below would be simple enough and is variable by VR1 from 40 to 50 Khz which is right in our target range. Circuit description below from :http://www.electronic-circuitsdiagrams.com/audioimages/audiockt10.shtml "Circuit of a new type of remote control switch is described here. This circuit functions with inaudible (ultrasonic) sound. Sound of frequency up to 20 kHz is audible to human beings. The sound of frequency above 20 kHz is called ultrasonic sound. The circuit described generates (transmits) ultrasonic sound of frequency between 40 and 50 kHz. As with any other remote control system this cirucit too comprises a mini transmitter and a receiver circuit. Transmitter generates ultrasonic sound and the receiver senses ultrasonic sound from the transmitter and switches on a relay. The ultrasonic transmitter uses a 555 based astable multivibrator. It oscillates at a frequency of 40-50 kHz. An ultrasonic transmitter transducer is used here to transmit ultrasonic sound very effectively. The transmitter is powered from a 9-volt PP3 single cell. The ultrasonic receiver circuit uses an ultrasonic receiver transducer to sense ultrasonic signals. It also uses a two-stage amplifier, a rectifier stage, and an operational amplifier in inverting mode. Output of op-amp is connected to a relay through a complimentary relay driver stage. A 9-volt battery eliminator can be used for receiver circuit, if required. When switch S1 of transmitter is pressed, it generates ultrasonic sound. The sound is received by ultrasonic receiver transducer. It converts it to electrical variations of the same frequency. These signals are amplified by transistors T3 and T4. The amplified signals are then rectified and filtered. The filtered DC voltage is given to inverting pin of op-amp IC2. The non- inverting pin of IC2 is connected to a variable DC voltage via preset VR2 which determines the threshold value of ultrasonic signal received by receiver for operation of relay RL1. The inverted output of IC2 is used to bias transistor T5. When

transistor T5 conducts, it supplies base bias to transistor T6. When transistor T6 conducts, it actuates the relay. The relay can be used to control any electrical or electronic equipment. Important hints: 1. Frequency of ultrasonic sound generated can be varied from 40 to 50 kHz range by adjusting VR1. Adjust it for maximum performance. 2. Ultrasonic sounds are highly directional. So when you are operating the switch the ultrasonic transmitter transducer of transmitter should be placed towards ultrasonic receiver transducer of receiver circuit for proper functioning. 3. Use a 9-volt PP3 battery for transmitter. The receiver can be powered from a battery eliminator and is always kept in switched on position. 4. For latch facility use a DPDT relay if you want to switch on and switch off the load. A flip-flop can be inserted between IC2 and relay. If you want only an ON-time delay use a 555 only at output of IC2. The relay will be energised for the required period determined by the timing components of 555 monostable multivibrator. 5. Ultrasonic waves are emitted by many natural sources. Therefore, sometimes, the circuit might get falsely triggered, espically when a flip-flop is used with the circuit, and there is no remedy for that."
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March 14, 2011 E2matrix One other note on that circuit is I'm not sure the output power would be strong enough. If not we might get some help from some others here to suggest some add ons for higher power. Hopefully this doesn't seem to complex but it may be needed to hit the target frequency which I believe is important. 555 circuits and help in building them is abundant on the Internet. They are really fairly simple and generally quite inexpensive to build. No need for a circuit board even at these frequencies. Last circuit I built around a 555 I just put it into a small box and filled it with Silicone.

March 15, 2011 Power1

Great job guys!! Please keep it simple.

Stay with the cheap china piezo, they have decent life, 1500 hrs average and is readily available. Someone mentioned the humidifiers, some model comes with variable frequency, no further modification needed but a bit more costly. e2matrix, I had tried Tesla oscillation and it does work as well to ionize fog using tubular condenser, and added bonus is repulsion effect but it's a whole different approach.

March 15, 2011 Romo The ultrasonic pond foggers have an oscilator on them already. Those oscilators, (for watever reason) were not made to be vibrating at the 43 KHZ that we want them to. Currently, mine does not vibrate fast enough. When you make them vibrate faster -- you encounter "ineffecinces" -- I would suspect that this may be the reason powerme has a 36 V input power -so that the thing still runs or produces forceful enough oscilations. I will see about keeping the same input transformer (24v) with a faster oscilator, and seeing if the voltage input needs to be stepped up or not. As chance would have it, one of my room-mates father's is an electrical engineer. I will be contacting him shortly, and he should also be able to give me his "two cents" about something that should work. Progress will first be made by someone who posts what their "known electrical engineer" says about a circut. Mine will contact me in a few days. If anyone else's contacts them sooner -- please post info, so that we can each 'cross check' to see if one's methods will work or not. (For me, double checking has been a good practice thus far) My spark plug arrived today for the 160 CC engine. So the fogger is the last bit that I need to get working (at the right frequencies), and then I should be able to confirm a replicated "water runner". I have everything else on-hand,

and ready. At first, I will be testing a lead-acid battery envelopes -- and a will investigate a secondary way of sticking the crystals to some form of acrylic, or steel plates, with some kind of adhesive. This is all the progress I can report, aside from reading into some books that powerme might have also "suggested" (at least, a book related to his tangents left behind) to read about. Will post some of these books shortly, ==Romo

March 16, 2011 Romo

The books contained in "book package" (Lemme know if the link goes down) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=533MBGYE The life of henry caverndesh - This guy was also interested in igniting water. He discovered hydrogen, and all sorts of quirks about water. This book has given me the beginning of some tangents to press further into his works. (I.E. Looking up more stuff about him) A treatise on cemistry - Metals (part I & II) Zinc production and history -- A book about 18th century uses, and refining techniques for zinc. This book has given me a general idea on how to process zamak -- as well as some of the "crystal" forms of zinc. I have not carefully looked twice, but have not found that they knew about pizeoelectric properties of the crystals in this book. Powerme, can you throw out any tangents that relate to these crystals? How did you learn how to "make the honey of different nectars" with these crystals? What kind of book/publication can we find the information about lead sulfide/oxide crystals that you are talking about growing? Did they know in "olden days" what the properties of the crystals were?(I.E.what would they call the effects of the crystals that we would be making?) What kind of process are we making the crystals with? What did they call those processes? I am looking for more tangents to research, to 'get ahead' in crystal production -- what aim we will be having with the leaden crystals. Any clear processes, or instructions are much valued. For instance -- after you mentioned "influencing", I knew I should become aquainted with all the information about the subject that I could. (Of which, I am still looking for more, to make the ionizer/wind pump). Any other processes, or key words in those processes that will assist on what is going on with the crystals (how they draw energy from the enviroment) -- what kind of energy they will be harvesting (I suspect, infared radiation?) -- how we will be rectifying both sides of the wave (in the crystal oscilation), ETC. That is, unless I am putting the cart before the horse here.

Anything is greatly appreciated. Thank you for all your help so far, ==Romo

March 16, 2011 Romo

Rad HHO, as you slowed down the frequency, the voltage went up? I would think that you would have hit a standstill (a point which thereafter, the pizeoelectric would not respond). I think that may be limited by your input voltage. My thought here, is that the two are co-related. Except with increasing the frequency, you would need more voltage to compensate. I do not know why, but this is just the route that I would normally investigate with the wavegenerators. (Edit: This is what e2matrix said. Thanks for the info! ) I have found some circut-boards. China markets are pretty diverse, and can find a lot of stuff. You just gotta look carefully: http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/hainetec1/productdetailFMOQVpBKMHkI/China-Ultrasonic-Generator-Ultrasonic-PCB-.html Thoughts there? On the off chance that anyone can look -- why not just look into a high frequencey ultrasonic transducer? I am finding some transducers which are of novel cost (I'd assume shipping is the kicker): http://www.alibaba.com/productgs/352922184/10w_50Khz_Ultrasonic_transducer.html If the pizeo's do not work (or if we cannot easily adapt the input voltage to match the frequency), then I would imagine that these kind of transducers may fit the bill. My next questions: Do we know if we are trying to hit 43 KHZ exactly, or just above the 43 KHZ range? Next, why are we looking for the dis-association frequencey? How do the crystals just "help" the dis-association (does it work better at certain frequencies, or is it just the electrical oscilation of the crystal that rips water molecules apart?) Is it not the electric force that we are breaking, through the pizeoelectric oscilations at a set frequency? Or does this somehow infer that through sound that we can manipulate the electric nature of matter? I would imagine "constructive intereference" to be coupling together, amplifying itself at at

certain resonant frequencies to produce electric effects? If this is the case, this would sound like a base, in the work that keeley was associated with. These questions are posed to everyone -- they are questions which I would normally ask myself. In this case, I have not yet found the answers to them, so instead of reporting back with the answer, I am merely asking the question. I hope it sparks someone else to discuss, ==Romo

March 16, 2011 Romo So, the pizeo-ceramic discs: http://www.annon.com.cn/product/PZT-atomizing.htm The driving circut board: http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/hainetec1/productdetailFMOQVpBKMHkI/China-Ultrasonic-Generator-Ultrasonic-PCB-.html I would only like a clear "that should work" before I buy the units. The pond foggers are nice trinkets, but I don't have the expertise to modify them myself. I have since, been looking for high frequency transducers, or variable frequency humidifiers. Written a few emails to a few companies, will wait for replies to point me towards the right product, which should 'fit the bill' for this project. Cheers, ==Romo

March 16, 2011

Romo I'm calling the manufacturer for a few ultrasonic humidifiers. I'll post what I find out from them. From what it sounds like so far -- You have to compensate at a higher input voltage, of offset the "inefficiencies" that ocurr at higher frequencies of the vibrating transducer. I think it may be easiest (for the primary working model at least) to have an oscilator/humidifier that runs between 40-50 KHZ. I asked about the frequencies, because if we are just using the crystals in HHO production, we can use a jewlery cleaner for the extra HHO liberation. Thereafter -- use the pond fogger, and the "ionizer" to pump the air + hho into the intake manifold of the engine. (These are my plans) I am not trying for a selfrunner -- just a proof-of-concept model, that you can run an engine on sheerly HHO, and water. Afterwards, I have generated sufficent interest in a working model, that I can investigate soley using the cheaper pond foggers, and the ionizers to produce the nescessary HHO to make it a selfrunner. This might have the potential cut out the pizeo-electric crystals entirely -- I do not yet know. Tests, and funds are further required for that. I am simply trying to get SOMETHING to produce the HHO nescessary to make a primary model. So far, I can either modify the pond fogger (might not work, I have not found solid information -- after to days searching, it is a little frustrating. I don't know if I'm looking for the correct keywords or information about the foggers.) Any ideas? ==Romo

March 18, 2011 Power1

You're making it harder than it is!!

Guys, you are making this harder than it is.

Pierce Oscillator Circuit

I had asked that you look at the Pierce oscillator circuit, the transducer is driven only by crystal transistor with capacitor. Oscillation can be altered by voltage, crystal angles or temperature. Wave frequency in the water needs to be 43khz +. If you keep increasing frequency, you will end up with abundant HHO from piezo only. The Zno crystals amplifies the effect. What bonds H2+0, it has a property that you are controlling here. You need to adhere ZnO to a permanent structure. What crystal geometry best amplifies wave frequency? They are the same ones used in electronics. Nebulizer circuit, same as humidifier. http://www.tdk.co.jp/tefe02/ef441_nb.pdf Look at the Sol-tec video. There's a comment on a patent application there from Japan, research it. There are many ways to dissociate water into HHO with little energy expense. You do not have much time!! TIME is a luxury which you do not have. Earth is Changing!

March 18, 2011 Romo

Guys! I have Great news! The last batch of crystals did the trick. I let them sit for longer than I usually would, and I thought that I was allowing it to grow longer crystals. I didn't know if it worked or not until I had it dried. It stopped raining today, and my crystals finally dried out. Some of them that were stuck to the masonry jar. So I scratched some of the crystals off the masonry jar. Put it into a ziplock baggie. Sucked out all the air I could. http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/Romo_Land/SaltWater/031701214 2.jpg Put it in water, above the pizeoelectric. The waves were heavily dampened by the ziplock bag, but after a few minutes, I could see a few air bubbles in there that were not present before. Took a bigger ziplock bag, and more of that batch of crystals. Still little bubbles seemed to add up over time. Because the crystals were not "stuck" to any surface, they were constantly swooshing around the bag. I could not easily discern, which were air bubbles,and which were little zinc oxide bits floating around. So, I stuck the transducer inside the masonry jar, and left it on its side. No mist was produced, but I hammered the insides of that jar with the pond fogger frequency. It appeared to still be producing minute ammounts of air, out of the water. Little bubbles rose to the surface. The pictures are bad quality -- but you might be able to see them. They liked to bubble up around the power chord. http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/Romo_Land/SaltWater/031701214 8.jpg So, what have I concluded? They DO work. The crystals ARE pizeo-electric, and they produce HHO, in minute quantities.

So, what is the next step? We need to be making the crystals work better. ================================= Powerme just mentioned a structure which amplified wave frequency. I suspect a common household bowl, or "half basketball" shape would do the trick, if the ZnO were bound in the center somehow -- where the wave would be most compressed into the crystals. Making the ultrasonic transducer run faster -- past 43 KHZ, also suposed to increase HHO production. Peirce oscilator circut for the frequency mod. (Sorry, I missed that. ) Making my own ZnO from zamak may be useful. (For the Al, and Mg. in small quantities in it) The Ionizer to produce HHO, Post-mist-fogger in setup. ====================== I will be posting my further progress this week, in how I will be fine-tuning the system. For now, the proof-of-concept -- IT WORKS. Happy thursday to a close, I hope we make it in enough time. On an off-tangent note -- Powerme, I do not quite know what I am preparing for. I only know that I am bracing against something to come. Is there any way that I can know what I need to be prepared with? Or how I need to be prepared? If not from you, where may I learn it? How long do we have? It is driving me nuts to see everything slipping up a little bit, and not know how long I have. Thank you for your time -- I am trying.

So far, it seems to be working. ==Romo

March 19, 2011 Slovenia

I figured it out!! Power To Be Questions from yesterday (Posed March 18, 2011) 1.) What material and geometry exhibits excellent acoustic harmonic qualities? Use this for your atomizing chamber!! Response: The atomizing chamber must be in the shape of an acoustic horn and the material used must be brass. 2.) How do you adhere crystals to other surfaces? Response: Water proof epoxy 3.) How do you harvest ultrasonic waves, what shape or geometry should you make the collector? Response: The receiver, collector, must be in the shape of a bowl. I noticed the bowls at the top of Power1's diagram and they really puzzled me. Well, I finally figured out what they were and why they were there. So, the zinc crystals are not in the water at all but coated on the inside of the bowls at the top of the cell. Recap: The transducers are at the bottom of the cell and there are two of them one on each side spaced accordingly. They are aimed at the bowls, collectors, at the top of the cell. The bowls are coated with the zinc crystals. So, the water is atomized at the bottom of the cell with the transducers and they are harmonically aimed with a brass acoustical

horn at the bowls, collectors, at the top of the cell. So, guys we have it.

March 19, 2011 Power1

@All, thank you for your continued efforts. ----------------------------------------------------------------------superman there are many transducers, just make sure it is submersible and cxan operate above 43khz. You can buy small lots from taobao.com, use a translator to search. In their electronic component section you can find transducer, complete circuits, professional high frequency drivers etc for less than 20% or less of listed price in the US. You can buy from several different vendors and have a Broker concile shipment into 1 lot to save lots$$ on shipping. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Slovenia, The DC fan was a quick approcah to moving fog for water injection, not practical due to auto operating conditions but gives a demo of how to move fog out. Ionic air or electric wind is much more feasible. HHO will freely flow out of the chamber but you still need to move atomize fog to help in cooling of ICE. For circuit, you dont need anything fancy, the Nebulizer circuit will work and you can put one together with readily available parts. In Sonochemistry, the higher the frequency, the higher the effeciency lowering wattage. This is easily done by increasing voltage alone. Acoustic dissociation of water wil cease at higher frequency above few mhz. If you employ electric wind or ion influence, other effects occurs too. Brass is a great material, optimal effeciency can be utilized at a later stage to fine tune performance and scale down the device into a smaller size. ------------------------------------------------------------------------RAD You can dissociate water effeciently with ultrasonic alone, ZnO amplifies

effect dramatically lowering input energy, Ion influence will also dissociate atomized water alone at extreme effeciency. Sonoluminescence in water is also possible where acoustic wave is turned into light, these effects reflects cold fusion properties or may be the same thing!. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Romo, You have a small window to harvest moon dew of Ormes, don't let this one pass. ------------------------------------------------------------------------fishman, coat the copper pipe with ZnO and mount piezo on the bottom of pipe. ZnO works best when in contact with water.

March 19, 2011 Power1 There are many fascinating things you can do with Brass in acoustic cavitation! The sky is not the limit, water has many many phases. For the water fuel project, simple atomizing ultrasonic chamber will work just fine. For Home power, water sonoluminescence is extreme power!

Quote from: Slovenia on Today at 07:23:38 PMThe acoustic horn needs

to be made out of brass and I think of fairly thin material. The configuration of the horn needs to be just so I'm thinking also. I also think the bowl receivers need to be made of brass also. Anyway, I'm thinking that the bowl needs to be able to vibrate too. The bowl is pure speculation on my part at this juncture. I will probably try something else first and then experiment with the brass bowls later. There are a lot of brass bowls available from India and they are fairly inexpensive. I may be wrong on the bowl material.

March 19, 2011 Romo

Quote from: Sprocket on March 19, 2011, 10:07:23 PM Can anyone here yet confirm that Zn0 actually amplifies the production of HHO? I've got a humidifier that's just begging to be dismantled but would have to order Zn0, so it would be nice if someone could confirm its efficacy or lack thereof... Yes, It produces HHo. How much of it, will be determied by determined by our fuel chamber's geometries -- or by the process of "influencing" as listed above. As for the test I used for that -- I literally dried out my first batch of crystals (they stuck on the inside of the masonry jar) -- and pointed the ultrasonic pond fogger at them, poured water in the 1/2 gal jar --- and I got little bubbles -- kind of like you might see a soda pop bubble up. This was all the testing I needed before I began making lots of batches of crystals, and researching how to stick the crystals to the inside walls of your atomizing chamber. As for adhering the crystals: I have decided to go try an experiment with electrolosis -- if not, I can adhere the zinc by letting it dry out of the substance. Epoxy, I feel would be a more last-resort way, because of the spring "cushion" feeling of dried epoxy (at least when I've done it). I think the epoxy could be a minor wave-dampener. If any of these experiments dont turn out well, I will be using epoxy -- but there are equally simple ways to get the crystals to stick to another surface. Goodness knows I haven't even looked into potential ceramic configurations. If you are creative about it, there are no shortages of answers. I will be likely using folded up aluminum foil, made rough from sandpaper -stacked side by side, glued/fastened to the underside of a dead CD. I hope the sheer quantity of surface area, if put directly above the transducer (while in the water) will allow the vibrations to hit enough of the crystals -- quantity is the goal here) (to make them produce enough HHO to make the mixture combustable)

I suspect this will stifle one pond fogger, and not allow as much mist to be produced -- if any -- so I will have a secondary fogger running to produce the mist. 12 V fan could potentially run it into the intake manifold. This is one "prototype" I had In mind. Another will be mentioned shortly. More recently: I have been diverging my efforts into researching how to get the water to be dis-associated with the ion-wind/air pump. I feel that if I can get that part of the process to be "good" -- we might not even need the crystals. It took a little bit of thinking about what powerme meant -- but a TT might = a Tesla Transformer. If anyone doesn't know -- Tesla coils & tesla transformers can be extremely simple to build if you know how to. I have been reading for the past few days on all these tangents -- There is a very vast depth to this condensed information powerme is chucking at us. This leads me to the second prototype (which may be able to bypass using crystals) The pond fogger, pumps out finely atomized water -- producing HHO, as well as pumping the mixture into the intake manifold. If too much HHO is made by the ionizer, you could bubble it through a secondary pond fogging-chamber, to "dillute" the HHO gas with more water. A secondary fogger would produce additional mist, an additional 12V fan to pump mixture into intake manifold. Making the correct ammount of HHO, would be a matter of tuning the tesla tranformer, to adjust the ionizer voltage, and frequency. Like I said though, a little more research is needed to understand it (Tesla Transformers, How to build them, how to tune them, Spark gaps, (potentially) Home made Caps / Gaps & coils -- the whole thing, to build yourself) -- but I hope this gives you an idea of the potential secondary "function-able" prototype.

Either way -- I think it could work. Making the crystals, seeing them produce HHO, have all passed my 'proof of concept' trials to great satisfaction. I'm getting ready to test a few full setups over the next week. My buddy who is helping me test, comes back tonight, so we'll be on the ball experimenting this next week. ==================== Powerme, thanks for the heads up about the Dew. I had been thinking of a way to extract ORME's from the air and seawater (I can see them, darned it -- the little white dust dots constantly moving against the background blue sky) I have a simple setup in mind which should collect quite a bit of dew. ===================== Will write more in a bit, ==Romo

March 19, 2011 Romo Quote from: fishman on Today at 12:00:29 AM I don't mean to be pessimistic, i think the bubbles being HHO may be a good assumtion BUT How did you confirm the bubbles you made where HHO? Could those bubbles have been just normal cavitation bubbles? Something other than HHO? It at least proves that bubbles are made by this interaction. I saw quite plainly with my eyes, where the bubbles were comming from. It was near the crystal formations on the side of the jar, and near a "slush" zinc deposit on another side. If you would like to conduct your own tests to see if the crystals produce a satisfactory result, you are welcome to observe. The escaping gas mixture was enough to produce a flickering in a butate lighter held above the masonry jar.

I think using a different Zno substrate may be useful in obtaining more HHO bubbles. (Substrate = zamak), Or, by adding magneisum chloride to the crystal 'mix' as it is cooking should add magnesium to the crystals. I have said that the results I have as to yet obtained, have been satisfactory. I beleive this project can work. If I beleive that -- What was it that I was looking for? In considering powerme's tangents in this way, it has been most helpful to me to getting more answers out of his statements, or hints. ==Romo

March 20, 2011 Power1 Power1 Post from OU (Post #207)

March 20, 2011 Power1 Response to Question: Cavitational sonoluminescence bursts is produced with negative ion influence, I prefer the nucleation effect of positive influence.

March 20, 2011 Power1 Power1 Post from OU (Post #208) March 20, 2011

Power1 Guys, Have you made time to stop and observe Nature?. Have you ever wondered why very simple things are made so complicated by Man, his logic is replaced with artificial intelligence that holds no relation to reality. His values are based on artificial commodities that he tirelessly labors for yet they hold absolutely no value. He lives to consume and create artificial obstruction that Nature will only equalize with decay, Why can't Man see the equilibrium that Nature has always put in place. Please learn to understand the Forces of Nature, so much power is available right in front of you, All of my Research has all lead to Dead Ends. Simple things that are tuned to the Force of Nature yielding in large enormous amounts of power that holds no purpose in Today's artificial reality, the Internet is just another extension of our false reality. My findings will only add burdens to our current demise as Today's Man will only seek the worse of things. At least the water fuel is non destructive and may help relieve the economic hardship that is placed upon you. Good luck and have a nice day.

March 20, 2011 Power1 Power1 Post from OU (Post #212) Slovenia, Thank you for your interest but really, these are old findings of others that I just have happened to stumbled upon. I am your equal, no more

and no less. I told someone last week of the water fog injection at the local discount store, he bought a Vicks Ultrasonic Humidifier - $40 Small inverter -$30 Set of E3 plugs - $30 I saw him today at the Store and he happily reported gains of above 30% mpg for his mileage during this past week. He said it will be better as he's at 10% oil life and doing an oil change. Simple off the shelf items that will help with lower your fuel expenses. He only duct taped a piece of water hose to the humidifier vent and inserted it into the air intake.

March 20, 2011 FRC Another Interesting Statement

Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Poppy Oxygen is a magnetic atom (polarized) and is just like a magnet. O1 being magnetic bonds to another O1 atom to form O2. This unfortunately is like connecting two bar magnets which completes the magnetic path and the magnetic field is confined and weaker outside that path. An electrostatic discharge under the right conditions will cleave the atoms apart momentarily and produce a magnetic field. A laser can also be used. It is important to place the gas under a vacuum which produces acceleration and multipacitor effect which is electron cascade. Many of the free energy devices used this process. Hubbard coil, Gray tube

aatementnd Kapanadze coil just to name a few. A complete how to info. on this subject was recently posted at overunity.com and was suppressed. They turned off email notifications so people could not even get the text of the post in their notifications. (It is smart to turn that option on) That web site is clearly the opposite of what it pretends to be. Lots of people are working to insert confusion and disinformation into the OU discussion. Another of their favorite tactics is to give you busy work with blinky LEDS playing with insignificant power that will not be a threat to oil or OU. All free energy devices use acceleration to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass. All you have to do is learn the acceleration techniques and locate that process in the device to understand how it works. A spark gap is also an accelerator of sorts. The electrostatic cavitation will help cleave the bond to produce that magnetic field. Oxygen has the same magnetic field strength as iron by weight. I'm not sure if that is O2 or O1. I suspect it is O2 which I would guess would make O1 stronger. Resonance or the mesomeric effect is also helpful as it get the electrons into a bounce from higher to lower orbit. With a little ping from a spark gap at the right moment, the electron will be removed from the atom. A photon will also carry the photon away. Take note about the comment about OU . This suppressed info would be very important to HHO production. FRC

March 20, 2011

Romo Romo Post from OU (Post #213) Quote from: Super God on Today at 05:46:23 AM I'm having trouble keeping enough pressure to raise the boiling point of the ammonia to 60C...I think I ruined the first batch but will keep trying... save it, and test it with a simple water test. I have found with my crystals, if I saved the entire batch, I got a "feel" for what I was making -- in regards to HHO production. I think that This is part of a process of learning the full effects in a system -- the effects of growing the crystals with temperature, pressure differences -- it is all a matter of simply being observant. If you save the old batches and remember under what conditions they were grown -- it is at least possible to troubleshoot and understand under which conditions that the best/worst crystals were grown under. I am looking for the answers that, even if the internet were to be brought down tomorrow -- I would still have a fighting chance at observing 'what is happening' on a very small level. Do as many tests as you can please -- I am waiting for someone else to have results against which I can compare my own findings. PS. Those ORME dew's have the "peacock" oily signature in them against light. I feel that this may be better ingested at once, instead of leeched through plant life into consumable vitamin form. What would you suggest, to me (or anyone following in your/my footsteps) to undergo the transition? It is my current aim in life, to live this life out, and fulfill what purposes I can to assist in. How may I further find answers, if not by soley the method in which I have described?

Powerme, you seem to be riddled with many ways to understnad, I am merely seeking as many avenues as I can to further my progress here. I want the transition -- I can see my own understandings as to how I can further myself, but I wish to know -- how did you undergo this transition? If need be, PM or Email is available -- If at all possible, can you make any more information known to others? I seek to shine through example -- that others might learn similarly. It is a wish of mine -- I ask, can you help me, or point me in a furthering direction? Best wishes and many thanks thus far, ==Romo

March 20, 2011 Power1 Power1 Post from OU (Post #214) Hey Romo, Yes, the Lunar Oil is highly precious, do not let it go to waste. If it is all natural, you do not need to cleanse with plant transmutation. Do you have visitations from the higher entities?. Be as Novel as you can be, your time here on the earth duration is just like the blink of an eye. Good day.

March 20, 2011

Romo Romo Post on OU (Post #215) Quote from: The Power To Be on Today at 12:47:12 PM Slovenia, Thank you for your interest but really, these are old findings of others that I just have happened to stumbled upon. I am your equal, no more and no less. I told someone last week of the water fog injection at the local discount store, he bought a Vicks Ultrasonic Humidifier - $40 Small inverter -$30 Set of E3 plugs - $30 I saw him today at the Store and he happily reported gains of above 30% mpg for his mileage during this past week. He said it will be better as he's at 10% oil life and doing an oil change. Simple off the shelf items that will help with lower your fuel expenses. He only duct taped a piece of water hose to the humidifier vent and inserted it into the air intake. I am also thrilled at your friend's gain. I hope to be reporting similar gains in approx. 1 week's time. May I ask, however -- how you happened to stumble upon your many tangents, or where I might be able to further investigate some of your findings? I understand "old books", and am downloading many files of these "older publications" to potentially have a reserve of information in which to investigate -- But I am seeking more information, more experiences & observations (From other people) in which to cross reference (against my own experience) -- that I might be able to clairify the findings in more general, understand-able terms to others. I am not concerned anymore whether these things contradict modern science, as I seem to have observed some results that defy my explaination -- But simply wish to know more.

One of such, is putting water into a certain geometry [circle] (tuned according to the wavelength) -- so as to make a standing wave at 45-50 KHZ in the middle of the caviation chamber -- So as to compensate for the bubble to be formed at the standing wave in the center of the resonant chamber. This was done in a basketball-shaped figure from the CVS pharmacy. I used the ball to form a cast of plastic, and tuned the frequencey accordingly. This is very similar to keeley's findings -- just do your research on him. Powerme has been gracious enough to leave some tangents to lead you in the right direction -- this is at least what lead me to "brush up" with this material again, to further understand it. Anyhow -- These were the general guidelines by which I abided, and have seen water shower all about the room in an abrubt "bang" -- with enough force to shatter my backyard fence. (and a portion of my neighbors fence as well!) Powerme, I wish to further my avenues in which you have described, as understanding nature. Also, understanding the ways in which nature seems to store information in frequencies/waves -- would be vastly helpful. I understand disclosure according to to normal safety standards -- but I am quite sure I am willing to experiment with the "risky" and "unstable" procedures. Would you like pictures of the shattered fence as proof? I am a student here. I am willing to learn. Can you help me? Anything you can offer, will hopefully insightful to me -- and further, I can hope to clairify, and also point others in a similar direction of interest, in order to understand. Thank you for your answers, ==Romo

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Quote from: petar113507 on Today at 01:23:11 PM Powerme, I wish to further my avenues in which you have described, as understanding nature. Also, understanding the ways in which nature seems to store information in frequencies/waves -- would be vastly helpful. I understand disclosure according to to normal safety standards -- but I am quite sure I am willing to experiment with the "risky" and "unstable" procedures. Would you like pictures of the shattered fence as proof? I am a student here. I am willing to learn. Can you help me? Anything you can offer, will hopefully insightful to me -- and further, I can hope to clairify, and also point others in a similar direction of interest, in order to understand. Thank you for your answers, ==Romo March 20, 2011 from Power1 I am trying to help you as much as I can, You still DO NOT know WHO YOU ARE!!!!! You are not the student. I have nothing to teach. Only you, yourself can help, You hold your own key. Think of a destructive caterpillar, it will only morph when it is mature, please grow up. You will get visitation when you are ready, they will show you the way. It is only self taught, there is nothing more that I can do. Work on your Virtues. You are trying too hard, take it easy, enjoy life please.

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March 20, 2011 Power1 Power1 Post from OU (Post #218) Hey Romo, Just a heed, since we are both Male, you probably will first encounter the lovely Isis, no prank or joke here. It is not part of the transition, I still do not know why she came first?. I tried and moved on as quickly as I could but it was a long while, nothing bad just too much excitement for me. @All, Sorry if this is way off topic, your higher self comes with a whole new world. Higher octaves as Walter Russell had called it. Do not attempt to cheat your way there by any means, please it is not worth the TROUBLE!

March 20, 2011 Romo Romo Post on OU (Post #221) In regards to what everyone was fussing about before with the oscilatr circut -- powerme has given us a circut to research -- or you can look into a tesla transformer and adjust the stepped up-voltage & frequency (might as well look it up, and become familiar with it too, to use it in different components). If you can figure these things out -- then you can buy just the pizeo ceramic's

-- and hook it up to the transformer. Much more efficent, price-wise. In the extra 20-25 dollars I would otherwise spend on Shipping, I can snag quite a few more pizeo's -- or just buy a bit of wire for winding the transformer. I read the condensed intro to Tesla Transformers by Eric Dollard -- it's a good start. I'm still poking around the net for some of the equations to calculate the size of the cap. bank nescessary, as well as the length/gap size. Just thought I'd give an update on the "frequency" problem we had before. Cheers, ==Romo (NEW) Just Added!! As a note: I'm getting help from an electrical engineer on the Tesla Transformer/Tesla Coils. I'm even getting friends to chip in a little bit of time too -- I'm not alone on getting my information here. I don't quite fully understand what I am doing -- I'm still reading up on bits of information I didn't know about electronics. March 20, 2011 Romo Romo Post from OU (Post #222) Quote from: fishman on March 20, 2011, 02:19:00 PM I had a similar problem with my first batch also. I found that that heating a pot of water (like in one of Romo's picture) to transfer the heat worked much better than just the jar placed on on the heater stirrer. Heating that pot of water to 67C made the jar contents 60C and was much easier to maintain. I also had a fan pointed at it the hole time from about 2 feet away. i believe the fan helped to condensate vapors by keeping the exposed part of the jar cooler.

March 20, 2011 Romo Nice work. ;D I also find that between 65-70 keeps the solution at the "right" temp. I just keep it around that temperature, and it works great. Have you noticed any differences is cooking the crystals and constantly agitating the ammonium? (Shaking with vigor for higher pressure) I think that I get slightly more crystals when I cook them at a higher pressure, but I'm not sure. My reason for agitating the crystals periodically (every 10 mins to so during the "grow" phase), was that I had an ice cube on the lid of the jar. If I did not shake it hard enough -- the top part of the jar would get too cold, and the pressure would not be high enough to pressure cook them. Remember though, cook it too hot, and you kill the batch of crystals. In my experience the temperature is the easiest thing to botch up. I would suspect there is also an upper limit on pressure -- but I'm pretty sure the jar would bust, before the pressure gets too high for those crystals. I am currently working on adding less ammonium to the crystal paste -- as I currently feel that with the concentrated ammonium, I should be able to create more zinc "slurry" paste and less liquid sloshing about. Just a thought. I have also found that adding the crystals, after making the ammonium 60 Degrees C, opening the lid, and tossing them in -- and THEN sealing it shut -doesn't really hurt the overall batch, even if you loose some ammonium. I wear goggles and a scarf so it doesn't get my face. I compensate for the evaporated stuffs by adding about 320 ML's -- I eyeball it around 300 ish (no more than 350 though -- I have had pressure "hiss" leaks if I put in too much, even in the 1/2 gal. jar.) Remember though -- I am weaning this down. I have gotten down to 200 ML of higher concentration ammonium with, as of yet no detriment. I would suspect a reduction up to 150, or 100 ML would be

possible, but this ammount is yet untested. Finally, if you recycle your ammonium -- freeze-distill it a second time before you use it again. For me, this helped make it equally as concentrated as the "new" stuff (the non-recycled stuff). I don't know if this happened to you yet -- but if you don't check by throwing it in the freezer, you could wind up with a "dud" batch, like me... These are just some ideas that would've been useful if I had known before. If not -- you'll learn real fast with your "oopsies" Hope this helps you guys not make too many "oopsies",

March 20, 2011 Romo Romo Post from OU (Post #223) I'm Sorry!! I would like to extend an apology out, as I did not intend to be misleading. :-[ I should listen more carefully, so that I do not relay any false information. It was not an HHO explosion -- it was from a propane tank. Allow me to explain the accident. Me and a friend were trying to replicate the explosive phase of water to see if it were at all applicable to this engine project. We had a plastic ball-thingy from cvs -- we put a pvc tube out of it, and filled it with water to see if we could make any standing wave nodes inside the ball -- I was hoping for. We were "tuning" it by moving the fogger's distance up and down the PVC pipe. Sometimes the ball shook funny, but it was nothing major. I did not tune

the pond fogger's running frequencey. I went inside to use the restroom, and while I was there, we left the pond fogger running sitting still. Upon closer examination, Instead of exploding -the darned thing just was made poorly. It fell apart. > There was also, an unrelated accident with propane tanks nearby -- which blew apart the fence. Me and my friend were thankfully, unscathed inside the apartment. I was dumb enough to jump to conclusions of this last night. We investigated the outside explosion, but found little more than our poorly constructed fence, battered. :P Neither of us knew about the propane until this morning, we just knew something blew up out back, and thought it was our device. It turns out, some of our neighbors were seriously injured, and none of this accident was me "Stumbling upon the explosive phase of water." It was something with their gas tanks. Almost immedeately thereafter, I pulled out my "dew trap", and posted a bit on these forums. I was even ignorant enough to not notice the paramedics outside. It was late, and they didn't make much noize.... Even so. Thankfully, that accident wasn't my fault. Again though, Jumping to conclusions was my bad. I shouldn't have thought that unlocking that "phase" of water, would have been that easy. : I am sorry for having given the appearance of done something incredible, when I had not. Eesh. Now, after such a long night, I'm gonna retire. G'day all, ==Romo