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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Jeremy Bold [september17discuss] Markka and the art exhibit on wall St Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:40:15 AM
Hey al, I spoke with the curator of the art exhibit at wall St and broad today, one of our first sympathizers in the week before Sep. 17. She expressed concern to me that police have been raiding her place often, once breaking her bathroom. She said there were homeland security officers, too. The police barricade has hurt her business, as it has also hurt that of many wall street vendors. She told me she started a Kickstarter proj to keep her exhibit open another month, and she's planning an event thurs night. Her caterer backed out of it under pressure as well. She wants to include some occupy wall street photography in her event on thurs. Can we do a sponsor-an-occupier-to-attend-this-art-show type thing? Let's try to help her out on in some way!! Justin Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17 [september17discuss] Massive each expansion! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:40:15 AM
We will be developing a newsprint broad sheet for mass distribution. ( kinda like a newspaper, but don't call it that :) We will run between 50,000 and 100,000 copies. We hope to have it done by Friday or Saturday. If you would like to help with this, please come by The Red Thing, on the south east part of our square at 12pm today. We would love to have a calendar in there, so please, please set up events for next week, so we can include them! Put events on the calendar, post them here... I think we have about 24 hours before printing....
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:08:50 AM
RT @alexfethiere: @mtaibbi says he'll visit #occupywallstreet Wed 9-28: http://t.co/VX2Y7zld Here's pic. Welcome him! http://t.co/8OcGNjvr A thought: should we have "special guests" at GA's? No special privileges, just shouting out influential folks who come out Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17 [september17discuss] Money for nice art... Banners, flags, ectc Monday, September 26, 2011 10:40:11 PM
Some of you may recall the great art work from the may 12 th action. It was easy to read and the amazing visuals helped us get our message out. I would like for us to have some nice visuals for our upcoming actions, and the actions we attend in solidarity. Today I met the guy who has been making the tshirts and the colorful we are the 99% sign. He said he could get the supplies to make a bunch of banners and flags for us, for about $300. This would be money well spent, and would help our outreach a lot. Can someone propose this to finance committee.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] MSNBC "The Last Word" furious about the police at the protests Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:21:30 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44679119#44679119
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] My Thom Hartmann appearance on #OWS Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:44:40 AM
FYI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZiF0PzsJBA -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] NYCLU Monday, September 26, 2011 1:06:39 PM
Hello all, The NYCLU http://www.nyclu.org/ has reached out unofficially to see if there is anything that they could be working on that would be helpful to #occupywallstreet Let me know and I will forward the request. Cheers-
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Nathan Schneider september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] NYT letter to the editor published Monday, September 26, 2011 11:37:32 PM
My brief response to the Bellafante article in the Times was published as a letter to the editor: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/opinion/the-wall-street-protest.html Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Stephen Benavides september17@googlegroups.com dallas.sds@gmail.com; koolaid_x@hotmail.com; Kooper Caraway [september17discuss] OCCUPY DALLAS Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:20:05 PM
Dallas is set to initiate an Occupation of the Federal Reserve at 2200Pearl St. Dallas, TX on October 6, 2011. We are asking for any and all suggestions for how to combat the increased level of oppression we are assured to encounter in our efforts to unify with NYC. Maybe some assume that the Feds will react the same, but after a series of anti FBI rallies in response to the raids on Anti War activists, I and others assume the repression will be intense. Solidarity, Students for a Democratic Society Dallas Chapter -Stephen Benavides United Steel Workers Local #9479 North Texas Association of Public Employees Employee Representative Office: 214-760-7422 Cell: 214-779-8991 Fax: 214-760-7423
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Occupy Together Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:05:51 PM
http://occupytogether.org/ Didn't know if you all had seen this...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] occupywallst.org: revolution, not a riot, revolution Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:17:25 AM
Hey guys-- so the coverage on the website is great-However, I would like to strongly suggest that the language from the "we are 99 percent" flyer be the post on the front page for tomorrow morning, I have posted an example with links on my tumblr: http://grimwomyn.tumblr.com/post/10643247214/wearethe99-and-weoccupywallstreet it's great coz it brings together all of the press in one place as people are reading the post, and it gives a lot of sources for sharing and further research.... You know, an equal mix of information about the motivations for the occupation, and police actions, which do garner sympathy and headlines, but might scare people away.... if you want to lift the post entirely, please do... it is from the flyer circulated yesterday, if you would like me to post the writer, let me know... I think later this week a new post about wealth inequality would be great. I bet if we asked we could get Cornel West, Michael Moore, or Senator Bernie Sanders to write one since they have been so openly supportive of the movement. Most people have not been exposed to think about how the system does not work for them, they just know it doesn't work. It should be our mission to educate through the channels we have available. These channels are also the greatest tools for research and education. People need to be able to understand in totem how the system has failed, and they are not getting that information through the MSM as we well know. Just some Sunday thoughts, I hope all of you are safe warm and fed.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] official who wants to break up the banks Monday, September 26, 2011 11:08:14 AM
Perhaps we could throw some internet love to this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/top-fed-official-wants-to_n_521842.html
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Outreach to NYC families Monday, September 26, 2011 2:18:42 PM
Thursday and Friday are days off for kids in the NYC public school system, I think it might be a great day to have events and things for families to attend if at all possible. I'm not volunteering to coordinate, I am just passing on the information. http://schools.nyc.gov/Calendar/default.htm
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17 [september17discuss] Panel at URPE conference this Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 12:30:13 PM
Hi all, Chris Rude from URPE has invited us for organizing a panel on upcoming URPE conference this Sunday. http://www.urpe.org/ Sunday's program is structured around their membership meeting. It would be a good opportunity to do some outreach, explain URPE members about Occupy Wall Street and try to engage them on our activities. In my opinion (and I'm sure many of you agree on this) it's very important to establish some sort of communication between Occupy Wall Street and academic networks such as URPE. If groups like this become involved, in one way or another, with us, it could help developing many activities, thematic groups, etc. I'm looking for 2 persons interested in participating on this. What do you think? Let me know. Best, Vicente.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] planning a common action of #OccupyWallStreet and Organizing for Occupation Monday, September 26, 2011 5:17:52 PM
It would be an amazing push to the movement to do a massive anti-eviction action or at least a teach-in by O4O at the camp. These actions get huge popular support, and now we have a lot of attention. I hate to propose things that I can't do myself (in Spain we had a saying at the assemblies: "el que propone se lo come": if you propose it, you "eat" it). But this time I really have to, because I'm trapped in Philly with tons of work. Would some one volunteer to organize a common action of #OccupyWallStreet and Organizing for Occupation?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Cody Moore [september17discuss] police scanners Monday, September 26, 2011 12:58:33 AM
did i see on http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/09/24/live-blog-of-occupywallstreet-nypds-crackdown-on-theprotest/ that NYPD cut the police scanner app feeds yesterday? this is important to know 4 future reference. -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-nydiscussion@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Postal Workers National Protest on Tuesday Monday, September 26, 2011 2:32:07 PM
About the Postal Workers' protest tomorrow Tuesday at 5:30 (I'm looking for the site nearest to Liberty Plaza). One of the labor group's members, Matt, has been trying to set up a connection with the political director of the postal workers union, who has wanted to speak to us and invite us to the rally. However, Matt is getting married this week, and we didn't get it together. Fortunately I was able to have a long conversation with him; he can't come now because of all the work pressure for tomorrow's rally, but will come some other time. He loves OWS and was on the Saturday march with us. It's not too late to do something. Some of us could go to one of the 13 rallies in NYC (I can't; I'm teaching at that time). Also, they would welcome a statement of support from us which they would read at their 13 rallies (that will get us a lot of friends in the postal union! At this late date we would have to get a support statement by bringing a proposal to tonight's GA to be passed. Someone would also be welcome to read the statement of support at a rally nearest to Liberty Plaza if we can find someone to do it. I just learned a lot about the issue and could prepare a statement to be passed at tonight's GA. We can also publicize the demonstration on our various lists, and ask people in the GA to go to the rally. I can handle getting a proposal on the agenda and announment the rally in my Labor Working Group report. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Will Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:44 PM Re: Postal Workers National Protest on Tuesday I'm posting it to the labor working group listserv now. Thanks Luis. On Sep 26, 12:42 pm, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocabal...@yahoo.es> wrote: > There is also the postal workers protest tomorrow Tuesday at 5:30. Labor committee: are we in contact with them? Another great opportunity to show solidarity and to prove that this movement belongs to the 99%
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Postal Workers Rally Today Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:44:51 AM
SAVE THE POSTAL SERVICE WORKER UNIONS
SUPPORT POSTAL
Postal workers will rally today, Tuesday, at every Congressional District in the US against the closing of thousands of post offices and the laying off of hundreds of thousands of workers. Occupy Wall Street has been asked by the union to join them and present a statement in solidarity. Members of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts will also attend. The rally nearest to OWS will be from 4 PM-6PM at Varick and Houston streets, Cong. Jerry Nadlers office. We will gather in Liberty Plaza (at the red structure) after the 1PM GA (around 3:15) and go together to the rally. Those outside Manhattan can go to other rallies: Bronx Rep. Serranos office, 1231 Lafayette at Tiffany Place Coop City, Rep. Crowleys office, 177 Dreiser Loop Brooklyn Rep. Towns' office, 10408 Flatlands, between 104th & 105th streets Harlem Rep. Rangels office, 125th St. and 7th Ave.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Protesters Dig in as Park Owner Seeks Their Eviction Monday, September 26, 2011 9:21:47 PM
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:01:21 PM
+++++++++++1 On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, "M.S. Kushneir" <mskushn...@gmail.com> wrote: > So... essentially we have to give in to a kind of consumerism that brands us > as occupy wall streeters??? Just because it was made in the USA doesnt mean > that it wasnt produced in a way that undermines unions, the poor, > dispossessed, etc and supports a consumerist ideology - either way it would > mean that we are selling merch - if it was a donation, and people got them > for free, that is a whole other story... what will these shirts say, what > colors, whats the design, who will be responsible for this effect, and how > do we distribute etc etc.... there are more important things like working on > chants, and training and other things than worrying about selling shirts. > this isnt a rock concert, rally, protest, univ social function... we need to > be careful of how anything and everything could potentially be used to > undermine us as idealistic, middle class, largely suburban folks and all the > other things that could be said to nullify what we are doing as indeed being > revolutionary - that's how the opposition works and thinks... > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced T-shirts > > and such people want to represent (but don't want to bother making their > > own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree with it? I > > don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to have to > > buy stuff are there any other better places to give the money from that to? > > > --glj > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we could go > >> through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a business > >> model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come cash, we > >> can get money and donations in different ways other than selling > >> MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an article in the > >> media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be madness. > > >> but lets get that idea to the GA > > >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA > > >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to > >>>> pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go
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>>>> later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing >>>> I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on >>>> occupywallst.org ... stay tuned >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Should someone propose this at the GA today? >>>>> We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the >>>>> world, but we can sanction some people to do it. >>>>> It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She >>>>> is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to >>>>> cafepress. >>>>> justin >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushn...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the OK come from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have someone making money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used as a donation to the cause
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>> I would say $20 for a Tshirt is about as high as we should go >>>>>>> On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much, even >>>>>>> if it means less money for us. >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance team.
>>>>>>>> if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll >>>>>>>> give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written agreement. >>>>>>>> -justin >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>> On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: >>>>>>>>>http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore >>>>>>>>> is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming >>>>>>>>> to OWS? >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvah...@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up
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>>>>>>>>>> > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick >>>>>>>>>> which items >>>>>>>>>> > you want to sell. >>>>>>>>>> > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in >>>>>>>>>> any way >>>>>>>>>> > possible. Right? >>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> Any objections? >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin Wedes >>>>>>>>>> >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >>>>>>>>>> >> Use your voice! >>>>>>>>>> >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org< www.ourschoolsnyc.org>> >>>>>>>>>> >www.OurSchoolsNYC.org<http://www.ourschoolsnyc.org/> >>>>>>>>>> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> ~ >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab< usuncut.org>> >USUncut.org/yeslab
>>>>>>>>>> >> ~ >>>>>>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2...@gmail.com> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com> occupywallstreet.f...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* *fundraising* >>>>>>>>>> >> Justin, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>>>>>>>>>> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> >>>>>>>>>> >>http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have >> designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from >> cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the >> occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something >> that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go
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against any of >> the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your >> time and stay strong.
>>>>>>>>>> >> ->>>>>>>>>> >> GO HIPPOS!!! >>>>>>>>>> >> Kristen Harrington >>>>>>>>>> >> 510-857-6028 <http://tel:510-857-6028> >>>>>>>>>> >> <kristenh2...@gmail.com>kristenh2...@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chris _ september17 [september17discuss] Re: #occupywallstreet merch Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:11:06 PM
Speaking only for myself, I think this is a great idea, provided we don't inadvertently support sweat shops by selling them. This would also be a great alternative venue for this because Cafe Press stuff is always very expensive and, further, isn't specifically dedicated to groups like ours, functioning mostly as a platform. On Sep 27, 11:45 am, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > So we have talked abt cafepress... I wanted to throw out another idea... I > am a (very) silent partner at realpunkradio.com and they have a tshirt > printing arm.... I'm sure we could cut a deal with them to produce and ship > shirts and whatever other merch we want to sell to raise $ for the > movement.... let me know if the group likes this and I will contact them.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss Labor Working Group Meeting Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:35:08 PM
Yes, meet at the big red structure.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucas Vazquez Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:12 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] 1199
yeah sounds good is it at liberty plaza? On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Yes Lucas, we needed something at the postal rally todaywhy Occupy Wall Street supports labor and why labor should support Occupy Wall Street. Talk to me. See you at the Labor Working group Wed at 6? Jackie
Sounds amazing! I think we need to create some sort of flyer or info. sheet that ties our struggle in OWS to the labor struggle. Some more outreach like that in order to inform them on what has been going on and what goals we have established. I will be trying to formulate something like that if anyone is interested contact me On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Oh who cares who is behind it, if it leads to even 25% of what we want to change it isin the interest of the people. On Sep 27, 2011 11:59 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > That's fantastic news about SEIU, although WorldNetDaily told me that they > (and ACORN and Obama) were behind this whole occupation in the first place. > I don't know who to believe... > > http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334433 > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We are! but just so you know: >> http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29< http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29 > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >>> GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Yay! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in >>>> all kinds of ways. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> YEA!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > AWESOME!!!!!!! >>>>> > >>>>> > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through >>>>> the >>>>> > upper east side. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss press Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:50:36 AM
We should do press releases.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MAd Hatter Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:41 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org: revolution, not a riot, revolution
I am speaking about occupywallst.org. As then nycga site has a focus and process that is pretty clear. If we want to grow, at some point the coverage on the occupy website should be focused on the 99.9% who haven't yet joined us. The police briutality got us lots of press and we have folks attention, but we need to tell them a little bit about why we occupy and how they can join us. Is there a proces that determines what stuff gets posted? Perhpas you can have a section of news from Libery Square, and reserve the front page for more inclusive messaging about what we are all about and upcoming ways for people to get involved. Occupy wall street is now bigger than any one encampment, and has the potential to become the rallying cry for the 99%.
On Tuesday, September 27, 2011, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Heard a report on NPR - MarketPlace - basically repeating WSJ story about planned eviction but it gave me an insight, since I talked to a cop Sat. eve. I was sure they were going to evict but he said they were convinced we were going to march again - Sat. eve - and that's why there was such a heavy police presence. > So there you have it - they are happy to confine us to the park and what threatens them and the Mayor - is having us move out and really disrupt traffic and business as usual. > According to NPR, Bloomberg said, if we continue to "villify the banks" well, they just won't lend money for mortgages, and the economy will never improve. > See? It's OUR FAULT the economy is in the tank! > Ha! > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Definitely the demands for reform should be loudest right now. >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Both are true; they're mutually reinforcing. But the CP in the thirties didn't build a mass membership by calling for revolution at the expense of demanding reforms. The CP engaged in every struggle for reforms it could. So that example really just helps prove my point, that you don't build a movement for revolution by avoiding demands for reform. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Actually, I've gotten a reverse impression from a lot of our history: Reforms are most likely achieved when the ruling powers are scared by talk about revolution. This certainly is a big part of why the New Deal reforms went through - because there was concrete fear of a revolutionary communist movement. Much of the workers' organizing that led to pressure for reforms like the New Deal was led by the Communist Party. (Our comrade Noam Chomsky has said as much on many occasions - and he is not normally a champion for any CP.) In other countries, too, some of the great leaders who are highly regarded here would not have been able to achieve what they did had there not been harder or more militant revolutionaries to balance them out, scaring the ruling classes. Certainly, this was one of the keys to Gandhi's political success, as Gandhi was easier for the ruling class to take than the very prevalent communists of the day. On Sep 25, 8:06 pm, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every revolution in history has begun with demands for reform. You don't begin a revolution by trying to "prefigure" a future society, you do it by building democratic, participatory movements for change that address issues that directly impact peoples' lives. When the state and capital are unwilling or unable to meet the needs of the mass of the people, revolution can result. Doug S
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Honestly it will be neither a revolution nor a riot if our only > demands are some reforms on the legislative agenda which the > legislators will get rid of again in a matter of months.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: a general strike, in my opinion Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:00:19 PM
100 boycotting work out of 40,000 Let's face it, police's job is to be the guardians of the status quo. On Sep 28, 5:54 pm, "L. W. Wind" <play.real...@gmail.com> wrote: > is the only thing thats gonna really get peoples attn to the point where the > people have control. how true is it that some police where on our side?? > > -> -Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Buses and suspected protesters might be getting turned back Monday, September 26, 2011 9:34:41 AM
Good suggestion. We'll also try to get a reliable account, we know the Vermonters had trouble getting in.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:41:45 PM
Congress is ostensibly not real democracy, it was specifically designed by landlords like Madison and Hamilton to ensure it was not democratic because of the fear of the unwashed masses and has been accomplishing this job for the past 224 years. It's no different from most parliamentary systems. They themselves said it was not democracy. 224 years ago, corporations were not an influence on politics unless it was the great colonial companies of France, Britain and the Dutch Republic. Additionally we're still falling in the trap of electoralism when we could make a demand to the people. Assemblies, everywhere. The thing is the vast majority of the people who obsess over the one demand have placed themselves as enemies of the movement to begin with.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:40:07 PM
Some of us actually disagree but I feel like I'm one of the few still shouting against the wind. On Sep 28, 7:25 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control > that they exert on gov't, yes? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.real...@gmail.com> wrote: >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:43:08 AM
+1 To Micah and Justing. I'll be short because I have to meet someone in a few. But - All power to the assemblies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:51:02 AM
Yes, I know, not worded this way as a demand, simply a proposal for it to be the essence - people organize everywhere - communities, towns, workplaces, schools. Assemblies of the people getting together. Also I meant justine, sorry. On Sep 27, 11:43 am, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 To Micah and Justing. > > I'll be short because I have to meet someone in a few. But > > - All power to the assemblies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:58:09 AM
While I have no problem with not wasting any more energy on cops, except the naming and shaming of whoever can be identified, yes, police as an institution is the enemy. Maybe not individual cops, but police's entire raison d'tre is the enemy.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chris _ september17 [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 7:36:55 PM
I've said this multiple times, but I think our demand should be for a True Peace Dividend. End the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other foreign theaters. Use the money that has already been appropriated for these wars and direct it, instead, toward debt relief: mortgages, student loans, cars, etc. This is, one, a specific demand, two, theoretically do-able (if politically challenging), three, directly helps the people for whom we are fighting and, four, will probably have a great deal of popular support. On Sep 26, 6:47 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > +1 > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Amin Husain<amin.husain@gmail.com>wrote:All, > > I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible. > > > > Amin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will september17 [september17discuss] Re: Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 12:08:58 PM
Looks like you all are doing good work on this. Unfortunately I'm not able, due to lack of time, to participate much in this discussion so I just wanted to commend all your efforts regarding this issue and add my voice to the chorus saying that it's essential that we release a set of coherent demands as promptly as possible. Will On Sep 26, 10:35 am, Amin Husain <amin.hus...@gmail.com> wrote: > All, > > I am sure I know many of you (e.g. Cesar, Isham, etc.) from Liberty Square. > I am on the facilitation working group and others. I agree with all of you > on the urgency of demands and/or vision/goals. I think that process can run > parallel with Principles of Solidarity. I also think the Communique > statement looks great as it has been revised (reserving judgment on the > specific items mentioned, for the moment). I note that there is a consensus > that the issue of demands/vision/goals in the context (or not) of the > communique is on the agenda and should be so this evening at 7pm. If so, > from the email exchanges, I think that is going to be a very difficult GA > because of the competing approaches and understandings. I am concerned we > will not get far enough. If I may respectfully suggest, in the interest of > moving the discussion and its resolution along, that those who have proposed > specific formulations here or at the GA to familiarize themselves with the > competing proposal and try to be ready to make friendly amendment and get on > board one or the other competing proposals, and have suggestions as point of > compromise. This may help a great deal. Recognize that the GA, from > experience, gets paralyzed if there are competing proposals to the body. We > are likely to end up going in circles, and that may cause great damage to > the cause, because people that are sitting in new on the GA will not like > what they see. This is just a suggestion. We are doing great, and we can > figure this out. I will say this. Let us not panic or get frustrated about > not having demands; let's work hard on formulating them as soon as possible. > > Amin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 1:16:06 AM
Why don't we also get rid of the words like revolution, workers and people like we're at it, I heard they were unpopular with a certain crowd. On Sep 26, 12:58 am, "Ms." <play.real...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like What Jon i selling- nI agree with those ideas very strongly, as > well as all of the relation to the 99% part. We can only win the rest > of the world if we drop words like "Oppression" and get rid of things > like "tax the rich" and "class War" > > On Sep 26, 12:40 am, Jon Good <therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is > > watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from > > college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and > > support. > > > Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start > > with one overarching message: > > *Democracy for the people, not the corporations*. > > > Beneath that, three points of what our goals: > > *Stop *special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich*; * > > *Create *a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; > > *Build *solidarity and economic justice for all > > > And below that, the specific action items: > > > - *Stop the housing crisis*. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending > > and huge medical bills. > > > - *Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street.* Reinstate the 1933 > > Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial > > banking. > > > - *Tax all financial transactions* as we tax all goods through a sales tax. > > Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. > > > -* Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now*. Pair the > > taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. > > > - *Corporations are not and will never be people.* End corporate personhood > > under the 14th Amendment. > > > - *Ban all corporate funding to political candidates.* Introduce a tax bonus > > that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate > > or party of his or her choice.
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> - *Radical reform of the electoral system.* Enable new political formations > to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. > > > > > I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.
> I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. > Solidarity, > Jon > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to > > some type of interim resolution by end of meeting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsen...@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal.
> > >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is > > working
> > > >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue > > > needs to > > > >> be addressed immediately.
It has relatively little to do with electoral law. In fact much of it was illegal in that scandal. Corporate control is still there. Therefore the problem lies elsewhere.
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/party-finance/legislation This is british electoral law regarding party finances. There are very few loopholes even if yes it's possible to try to game the system a bit (it always is, the electoral reform being put out can be gamed as well). Canadian campaign finance law is extremely close except it adds about 100 million in public funding at about 3$ a vote from federal coffers.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ms. september17 [september17discuss] Re: DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 12:58:56 AM
I like What Jon i selling- nI agree with those ideas very strongly, as well as all of the relation to the 99% part. We can only win the rest of the world if we drop words like "Oppression" and get rid of things like "tax the rich" and "class War" On Sep 26, 12:40 am, Jon Good <therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: > I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is > watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from > college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and > support. > > Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start > with one overarching message: > *Democracy for the people, not the corporations*. > > Beneath that, three points of what our goals: > *Stop *special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich*; * > *Create *a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; > *Build *solidarity and economic justice for all > > And below that, the specific action items: > > - *Stop the housing crisis*. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending > and huge medical bills. > > - *Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street.* Reinstate the 1933 > Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial > banking. > > - *Tax all financial transactions* as we tax all goods through a sales tax. > Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. > > -* Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now*. Pair the > taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. > > - *Corporations are not and will never be people.* End corporate personhood > under the 14th Amendment. > > - *Ban all corporate funding to political candidates.* Introduce a tax bonus > that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate > or party of his or her choice. > > - *Radical reform of the electoral system.* Enable new political formations > to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties. > > I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets > off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just > a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we > have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's > 300 million people we have to stay in touch with. > > I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. >
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Solidarity, Jon
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbra...@gmail.com> wrote: > should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to > some type of interim resolution by end of meeting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsen...@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: email me Working Groups Schedules for webupdates Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:38:10 PM
the organigram is great way to start. This information needs to be on the webpages.
On Sep 25, 11:56 am, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > For those interested, we've been trying to put together an organigram > of working groups so we can keep track of things > > It's a draft, we made it here. > > https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1pdws5K9uzNppClIl_J6J61Z12lLtpompc...
This is a great action for us to support, but the websites calendar right now is to structure the times of events that happen Zuccotti. Adding a rally that happens elswhere could lead to confusions. On Sep 25, 7:17 pm, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisa...@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > We should put on the schedule for Monday a rally at 4 PM at Baruch College > (Lexington Ave. and 24th St) in support of PSC-CUNY (Professional Staff > Congress) the faculty & staff union at City University which is fighting to > retain health benefits for part time faculty. 3 work groups have endorsed > the rally - Labor, Outreach & Direct Action. > > > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Lauren > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:33 PM > To: september17 > Subject: [september17discuss] email me Working Groups Schedules for > webupdates > > I need the schedules of working groups to put them on the occupy > wall.st and NYGA.net. > > There are people out there that really want to help us in our > redesigning of society by being part of the working groups. These are > people with busy with full time jobs and families, but that strongly > support us. They dont need for us to to explain our goals or demands. > They get it already. And they want to help. > > We need to offer them a possibility to let them help us by taking them > in consideration and letting them know when they can come to work with > us. The GAs are not a good moment for them to come because the GAs > mainly discuss internal issues at this point. > > I know that if we get the camp place structured we will have more > people. I think that there is this general idea the main way you can > contribute is by camping here and this puts people off. Getting the > working groups structured and started is a key element to have more > people help to work on goals, and it will contribute to defend the > neccesity to keeping Liberty Square as our space. > > If you are in a working group, decide on times and try to keep them so > we can do effective Outreach. And please let me know about them ahead > of time. I will post the time on Occupy wall st. and NYCGA.cc .- Hide quoted text > > - Show quoted text -
For those interested, we've been trying to put together an organigram of working groups so we can keep track of things It's a draft, we made it here. https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1pdws5K9uzNppClIl_J6J61Z12lLtpompc61ZRRvdyPc/edit?hl=en_US
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: For Jackie and the Labor committee, a proposal we"re slowly working on, with a note on the risks involved Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:47:45 AM
EDIT - This is only true in some states as far as I can tell. Still, since increasing labor actions carries its own risks I just had this fleeting and mildly depressing thought.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Government for the people, not the corporations! Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:22:50 PM
great! how about adding banks? "democracy for the people, not for corporations and banks" On Sep 25, 5:13 pm, Jon Good <therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm good with "democracy for the people, not for corporations" as a headline over the goals. > > On Sep 25, 2011, at 12:05 PM, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > > > > > At the march yesterday I was standing in store entrances and saying "Democracy is for people, not for corporations. Take your country back," and getting applause from many. > > > One guy asked me, "Is this the change you were looking for?" the standard anti-Obama line. I said "No, The Democrats and the Republicans are selling the country to the highest bidder." He looked down and nodded in agreement. > > > On 09/25/11, Jon Good<therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Government for the people, not the corporations! > > > I humbly suggest that this be the title above the goals we set. I have been back home visiting my family and volunteering at the county fair this weekend, and everybody really wants us to succeed, but NOBODY has a clear idea of exactly what we're about, and are not ready to support us because they don't know what they're getting. > > > We need clear, simple things that everybody in America can get behind. That folks who have been laid off from their jobs while watching their bosses get million-dollar bonuses, folks who've seen their future destroyed when a company bought out their family's livelihood, and folks who never had the promise of a real job or real chance at the American dream can all identify with and say "fuckin' A! those guys are right!" together. > > > If somebody can put this to the GA TODAY (I can't because I'll be traveling back to New York), I would be very grateful. I'm going to start making flyer and press release templates so we can get these out with whatever we end up saying ASAP. > > > Solidarity, > > > Jon Good- Hide quoted text > > - Show quoted text -
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Suzy Exposito september17 [september17discuss] Re: Huge Possibilities for Outreach this Weekend!!! (Slutwalk, Rally for a Nuke-Free World, The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow) Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:53:48 PM
Hi everyone, I'm a Slutwalk NYC organizer, and I will be one of the MCs for Saturday's march. There are many of us organizing Slutwalk who are anti-capitalist and who have been at the occupation for the past week. We've been discussing a collaboration but we're concerned about timing. Our march is set to start at noon, from Union Square. We are planning to return to Union Square between 1:30 and 2pm. Depending on what time you all are planning on marching again, we would like to meet up with your group. I'll be at the GA tonight to discuss possibilities! -Suzy On Sep 26, 6:59 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > +1000000000 > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Will<william.russell.v@gmail.com>wrote:Great suggestion Luis! > On Sep 26, 11:27 am, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocabal...@yahoo.es> > wrote: > > Yes! and physically bring those marches to Zucotti, as it happened with the Troy Davis march! >> > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Will wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Hey beautiful people, >> > > > Last Saturday's march was amazing until it ended in extreme police > > > brutality, and I have a suggestion for how we can follow up that march > > > with something potentially even bigger and in my opinion infinitely > > > more significant. >> > > > This Saturday is a huge day for marches in NYC, with Slutwalk, the > > > Rally for a Nuke-Free World, both of which will likely draw about > > > 1,000 people each, and an event for the Campaign to End the New Jim > > > Crow. (I'll add more info about each of these protests below.) > > > Unfortunately each of these events is planned for more or less the > > > same time, which I think is indicative of the current level of > > > division within the left, or at least its severe lack of > > > coordination. >> > > > For us to organize a large march for the same time would show a huge > > > lack of solidarity and I strongly urge that we avoid doing this!
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I suggest that instead we organize ourselves into three groups based upon which event we would like to identify with this Saturday (tough choice I know!) and mobilize the mass of ourselves to show up in force at these events. I don't suggest that we organize marches from the occupation to these events, first because we need to save our energy for them and second because of the risk of drawing more police brutality to ourselves and also to the other protesters involved in these events. This is a golden opportunity for us to further project our reach beyond the financial district, build our own movement, and show our solidarity and establish ties with the rest of the NYC left. We can make Occupy Wall Street a place where previously fragmented segments of the left can find a unifying cause and a safe place to build campaigns around their specific issues. I know for sure that after the police crackdown on us this past Saturday we gained a lot of sympathy from long-time activists in the city who might have been skeptical about us before and recognition that we are a force to be reckoned with. Let's show NYC, the country and the world that Occupy Wall Street is a place where different sections of the left can come together and unite around a common purpose.
> In solidarity, > Will >---------------------------> Slutwalk NYC - Union Square - Noon >http://slutwalknyc.com/ >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IEhxr4-Yhqw > > > > > > > > > > > No No No No No No No matter matter matter matter matter matter matter who you are where you work how you identify how you flirt what you wear whom you choose to love what you said before:
NO ONE has the right to touch you without your consent. SlutWalk NYC is part of a worldwide grassroots movement challenging rape culture, victim-blaming and slut-shaming, and working to end sexual and domestic violence.
> Note on the name: This movement is a response to what the police > commissioner of Toronto said at a gathering, that if women didn't > dress like sluts, they wouldn't become victims of violence. This has > already spawned huge marches across Canada, the US and the world > (Mexico City, Honduras, Mumbai, etc) >---------------------------> Rally for a Nuclear-Free Future - Pier 95 Hudson River Park - Noon >http://www.nuclearfreeplanet.org/articles/coalition-against-nukes-ral... > The Coalition Against Nukes National Day of Action flagship rally will > be in NYC Saturday, October 1, 2011. Located at Pier 95 Hudson River > Park, 12th Ave @ West 55th Street, from Noon to 3:30 pm > The Fukushima Daiichi meltdowns inspired this grassroots action. It > was intensified by the August 23 magnitude 5.8 earthquake that caused
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> two reactors at Virginias North Anna nuclear plant to shut down. > Twelve reactors up and down the eastern US reported "unusual events" > to the NRC. > Then, on August 28, Hurricane Irene demonstrated powerfully that > electrical power and transportation routes can be disrupted over a > very large area-for days and weeks. > > > > > > In New York, Entergys aging, leaky, 40-year old Indian Point nuclear reactors, with uncorrected safety concerns yet under consideration for additional 20-year relicensing by the Obama Administration, are located near 2 fault lines, just north of NYC in a very denselypopulated area. Twenty million people live within 50 miles of Indian Point in NY, New Jersey and Connecticut.
> We stand with the people of Japan who are suffering this ongoing > nuclear disaster. We cannot let that happen here! >---------------------------> NJC: The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow > Assembly Hall, Riverside Church 490 Riverside Drive [Enter on > Claremont Ave] Manhattan, NY - 1pm >www.endjimcrow.org > The Issue? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -2.3 million Americans are imprisoned (twice as much as London and four times as much as France). While African Americans constitute 13 percent of the U.S. population, they disproportionately fill the prison system at 38 percent. -Since the War on Drugs, the number of inmates imprisoned for drug convictions increased from 41,100 to 1/2 million with the vast majority being people of color. -According to a Health and Drug study, Blacks make up 14 percent of the drug user population, but constitute 54 percent of drug convictions in the U.S. Criminal Justice System. -5.3 million Americans are denied the right to vote because of laws prohibiting voting by people with felony convictions. This has resulted in the disenfranchisement of an estimated 13% of black men. -The "felon" label continues to bar ex-offenders from public housing, welfare and other basic rights
> The Answer? > NJC: The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow > Join us in building a movement to end mass incarceration and the > injustices of the new caste system. Find out how you can help at our > first open organizing meeting. All are welcomed! > START study groups, DEMAND justice, CHALLENGE legislators, HOLD law > enforcement accountable, DOCUMENT the struggle, GET INVOLVED! > For more information, visit our website atwww.endjimcrow.orgorcall >212-501-2112begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 212-501-2112 >----------------------------
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park Monday, September 26, 2011 11:03:48 PM
A sound permit is the element that would significantly change the current dynamic of the assemblies. Being able to organize assembies with a loudspeaker instead the peoples mike would be a dream come true. Imagine having GAs where we could speak normally again! If you need help in any way with getting the permit please inform us. On Sep 26, 3:29 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > Sorry, one of the local stations, i think it was ABC, said it real fast this morning and I posted my message just before I ran out to work. Hopefully they don't know what their talking about. Seems that I was wrong about the cops coming late Sunday, fortunately. Keep an eye out. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:Source? Links?Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > > > Use your voice! > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > >~ > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out atUSUncut.org/yeslab > >~ > > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:23 AM,jemcgloin@verizon.netwrote: > > > > The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday. Pls contact the park and tell them if possible. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:This would be great! > We are working on asoundpermit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
-justin On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at > 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the > same as a Free University. We can do both. > > -----Original Message----> From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] > > The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can > work with you (especially since you're in the group). > > -----Original Message----> From:september17@googlegroups.com[mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM > To:september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall > Street, date and time TBD > > hey gang! > > The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist > economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at > Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. > > With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we > start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to > say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't > know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message > we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. > > Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I > know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I > do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. > > Ok! Thanks! > > Nico > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17 [september17discuss] Re: My article on Occupy Wall Street in the Indypendent!!! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:37:51 AM
It's a great article, but I do take issue with the idea that the entire left has ignored OccupyWallStreet (OWS): New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts (NYABC), the International Socialist Organization, the Organization for a Free Society and Workers World have been involved with it since the planning stages. In fact, it was NYABC (a coalition that includes the ISO, OFS and WW, among others) that called the first General Assembly to start planning for OWS (although after this first meeting the GAs became an independent entity not tied to NYABC). Doug 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> http://www.indypendent.org/2011/09/26/arrests-trigger-occupation-support/
Solid Ground at Occupy Wall Street

By Conor Toms Reed September 26, 2011 | Posted in IndyBlog | Email this article On Saturday, Sept 24, over 100 participants in an Occupy Wall Street march in New York City were arrested in an explosion of police brutality that has catapulted this nonviolent public square movement to global attention. Swiftly, organizers blasted videos online documenting the NYPDs unhinged force while securing arrestee legal support and political re-groupment to maintain Liberty Plaza, a peoples camp that has been permanently nestled a bricks throw from Wall Street since last Saturday, Sept 17th. In the aftermath, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly is being urged to resign in disgrace. These graphic images echo NYPD aggression from only two nights earlier, when a crowd of thousands claimed the streets of lower Manhattan on Sept 22, one day after Troy Davis execution. Called A Day of Outrage by the NYC Campaign to End the Death Penalty, what began as a Union Square vigil mourning his death became a full-scale disavowal of the US government and justice system. Thousands of people of all colors shot through the streets, without permit, ceasing traffic, dodging police vehicles, from Union Square into the West Village, then down across Broadway to join a mass rally at Liberty Plaza.
An unintended outcome of this state repression is the remarkably vast public support for these interlinking community efforts at social change. Amy Goodman, Michael Moore, Lupe Fiasco, Tom Morello, Manu Chao, Anonymous, Wikileaks, the Yes Men, and more praise the Occupy Wall Street public square movement that is being modeled after past and present tent cities in Cairo, Madison, Athens, and Madrid. The experiment is now being replicated like a fever in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Madison, Toronto, London, Sydney, Stuttgart, Tokyo, Milan, Amsterdam, Algiers, Tel Aviv, Portland, Chicago, Phoenix, Montreal, Cleveland, Atlanta, Kansas City, Dallas, Seattle, and Orlando.
And yet, for those who may have only encountered the aspirations of Liberty Plaza and Co. from a computer screen, this dazzling picture can remain a bit time-lagged, grainy, and all-too-flat. At worst, it might even appear to be chaotically doomed, a political liability. As a result, the big secret is that the political event of the year is catching New York Citys hundreds of broad left groups by complete surprise. Since early August, activists of varying stripes held weekly outdoor general assemblies leading up to heed counter-culture mag Adbusters call to Occupy Wall Street. But now, because this kind of protestone where people stay put in a public space to build powerisnt in many groups repertoire, a pivotal movement may be passing them by. An on-the-ground view of Liberty Plaza clearly affirms why many more should actively support this projects growing significance. Soon after thousands peacefully set up camp in Zucotti Square (since re-named Liberty Plaza) at the corner of Broadway and Liberty on Sept 17, the assemblys various workgroups coordinated food, clean-up, bedding, student/labor networking, media/online and community outreach, legal support, childcare, arts/culture/festivities, and more. The on-site OccupyWallSt.org broadcasts daily statements that address the squares purpose, goals, and concerns, which much media coverage chooses to ignore. All group decisions are made in the assemblies, with constant attention to historically under-represented voices, ongoing political education, and yes, good vibes. For many people contributing to this project, experiences from over the last several years have proven invaluable, including the December 2008 New School occupation; February 2009 NYU occupation; March 4 and October 7, 2010 national days to defend public education; February 2010 Wisconsin capitol occupation; early May actions in NYC and Albany against Cuomos budget; and June 2011 Bloombergville encampment against Bloombergs budget. To be sure, at times discussions in Liberty Plaza are a bit uneven because of different knowledge and experience levels, but this collective radicalizing process can become exponential with consistent undogmatic support. Young and old leaders alike are pointing the way to a unique new form of social action that requires everyone to rethink familiar organizing modes. During the early 2011 Egyptian Spring, the following phrase gave direction to mass mobilization: the road to factory occupations lies through Tahrir Square. This city and countrys own road to vibrant job actions, grassroots community control, opposition to legal lynching, and all other kinds of mechanized violence may lie through these Liberty Squares now blossoming everywhere. Egypts lessons acutely demonstrate that liberated squares must become liberated workplaces, neighborhoods, and eventually cities. This is exactly Liberty Plazas aimnot to be a self-contained, pre-figurative mini-society, but a decisive tipping point in the belly of the economic beast that can collaborate with this widening network to transform global society altogether. In 2008, David Harvey likewise asserted that our Right to the City is far more than the individual liberty to access urban resources: it is a right to change ourselves by changing the city. It is, moreover, a common rather than an individual right since this transformation inevitably depends upon the exercise of a collective power to reshape the processes of urbanization. Unsurprisingly, copies of this essay floated around the first Liberty Plaza assemblies, and continue to be shared at its free library. Harveys big-sighted emphasis on mapping the hot-spots for urban change is reflected in the public squares movements attention to not only workplaces and schools, but to these democratized hubs where diverse community sections can envision and act together in plain sight. Political discussions constantly engage the square, like Serbian student leader Ivan Marovic coming to share how youth movements helped overthrew Milosevic, and the CUNY STRIKE study circle poring through Joe Burns Reviving the Strike. Alongside principles and ideologies, street tactics and strategies flow in and out of regular conversation. Heres how we can use the police blockades of Wall Street to benefit our own efforts at shutting down financial operations. These are the city government and business pressure points. This is how we link arms or move quickly to avoid arrest or kettling. This striking union needs our support, that student coalition welcomes us to help demand a free CUNY. Mostafa Omars now-famous story on what the Egyptian revolution street-level view looked like is
instructive for how Occupy Wall Street can ultimately deal with a bullish state: I listened online to an amazing tape of a radio communication between the police headquarters in Alexandria and commanders in the field, trying to deal with the flood of angry protesters. In the tape, police officers are begging headquarters for reinforcements to deal with what they described as massive and dangerous crowds of 10,000, 20,000 and 30,000 people, closing in on them everywhere in the city. But the headquarters was helpless because all of the officers in the fieldliterally all of themwere asking for reinforcements. The headquarters advised officers and units to retreat to the precincts, and the officers responded: Sir, protesters are burning the precincts. The tape ends dramatically with the commander at headquarters asking a subordinate for an explanation for the police defeats. The officer simply told him: Sir, it is over. The people are in the saddle. The first night on occupied Wall Street, in which thousands of fiercely elated participants inaugurated this new public space of community power, hints at the kinds of action that can put people in the saddle. The tremendous roar of Justice for // JUSTICE FOR Troy Davis // TROY DAVIS! that for one near-insurrectionary night seized lower Manhattan hints at why people are propelled to take the reins. This anger and excitement will indeed continue after Saturdays unnecessarily volatile march. With this Mondays protest at Baruch College against the CUNY Trustees refusal to fund teachers healthcare or roll back the $1500 in tuition hikes, then October 5ths student walkouts across CUNY, then all the actions we have ahead both inside and outside of Liberty Plaza, the citys prelude to a revolution may not seem so unexpectedly out of reach.
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET THE MARCH TO UNION SQUARE from Rhodes Pictures on Vimeo.

Conor is a coordinator with the Adjunct Project, and a member of the CUNY STRIKE study circle. He can be reached at conortomasreed@gmail.com.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17 [september17discuss] Re: Open Forum at OccupyWallSt: Talk on Sovereign Debt-TODAY 6pm Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:33:00 PM
FB Event page for today's talk: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=166494413436071 2011/9/27 Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> Hi all, Christopher Rude, from URPE, will give a talk on Sovereign Debt TODAY AT 6PM. We will meet at "the Red Thing" (shouldn't we make that name official?) and find a nice spot where to sit down and begin the activity. The activity is oriented to a general public, and will have of course on open format. Please join us, and please share this info! Best, Vicente.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Sound permit Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:10:35 PM
I am working today. Please keep us posted with this. Would allow sound permit for one day or regularly? On Sep 27, 10:57 am, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please take in the application, this is critically important, to start this process so we can later apply pressure > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard S. september17 [september17discuss] Re: Strategy Inspiration: Anna Hazare Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:05:45 PM
On Sep 25, 5:31 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sent from a good friend of mine for the group to consider:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Hazare Arundhati Roy's criticisms of the Anna Hazare movement are interesting - she says it's corporate-NGO-funded and pursues a "World Bank agenda." She also has interesting thoughts about the emphasis on "rule of law" under a system in which the laws themselves are designed to perpetuate inequality. Check out this interview, among others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC93o7tWUh0
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew september17@googlegroups.com Naomi Less [september17discuss] Re: The Women of Occupy Wall Street Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:26:57 AM
Love it! I hope no one disapproves of my putting it online: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/26/day-10/
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Re: Update from Tue: March on Saturday to Brooklyn, outreaching/ canvassing to Brooklyn Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:33:34 PM
That will be added.. On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: > there is nothing on it that says there is a march to brooklyn... are we marching to brooklyn? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Folks, here are some flyers for Saturday.... Print, handout, Bring >> extra to the plaza. we need thousands! >> >> http://minus.com/mi890McLI#1 <http://minus.com/mi890McLI#1> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter ows_outreach@googlegroups.com; september17 [september17discuss] Re: Update from Tue: March on Saturday to Brooklyn, outreaching/ canvassing to Brooklyn Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:27:28 PM
Folks, here are some flyers for Saturday.... Print, handout, Bring extra to the plaza. we need thousands! http://minus.com/mi890McLI#1
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow Matthew Bralow [september17discuss] Re: URGENT OUTREACH OPPORTUNITY - TODAY SUNDAY FROM NOON TO 3PM Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:13:39 PM ows_ARABIC_FLYER2.jpg ows_english2.jpg
> > sorry this took so long to get to people. i needed to sleep! also, i > don't know how to write in arabic! got a translation from someone > else.... > > THERE IS STILL TIME TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE AT PARADE... PARADE > finishes around 3-4. please volunteer to do reach out if you can! > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: >> To get to Muslim Day Parade, R train or 6 train to 23rd St. >> Madison & 23rd St. Noon-4pm. >> >> ------>> >> San Gennaro takes place on Mulberry St. 6 train to Spring St or Canal >> St. N,R to Prince St. or N,R,Q to Canal St. All afternoon and into >> evening. TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF THIS FESTIVAL. Again, a tremendous >> reach out opportunity! If anyone wants to do this today please come >> and do it! Would be wonderful to get the KIDS OUT for this one too! >> >> --------->> >> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello all.... Can someone who is associated with OWS, please please >>> PLEEEEEASE.... get volunteers to PRINT a flyer and volunteers to HAND >>> OUT FLYERS at the following event today??? >>> >>> the MUSLIM DAY PARADE! I know it's short notice. But an ENORMOUS >>> opportunity for outreach! >>> >>> It starts today at 12noon......... at 37th St & Madison Ave. and will >>> proceed to 23rd St. & Madison Ave >>> >>> There should be a flyer ready in the morning. I will make sure it's >>> posted hopefully early. In arabic! And if people that know arabic want >>> to make their own or translate an existing one from English, please >>> feel free to do so. Or if anyone wants to a written message or flyer >>> from the Arab Spring, please FEEL free to duplicate that and >>> distribute! >>> >>> Again, it's short notice, but could really start to diversify our >>> movement and build it! >>> >>> ----------->>> >>> ALSO.... >>> >>> There is also the SAN GENNARO FESTIVAL on MULBERRY ST in Manhattan. >>> This is also a TREMENDOUS opportunity to reach a diverse mix of >>> demographic from the New York Tri-state area. Flyer should be geared
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
towards INFORMING AND EDUCATING PEOPLE about the increased environmental pollution and TIE it into the IMMEDIATE NEED to get corporations out of government, STOP the continued broken promises, the psychopathic disregard that corporations have for human beings and our lives, and the mis-allocation of our public funds. And STOP LYING to the American people. We also want to show the NECESSITY for the PEOPLE of NYC to RISE UP to create a NEW FUTURE for NY and for the USA. A PEACEFUL REVOLUTION to create a strong local economy and a HUMANE citizenry that respects the RIGHTS OF and the WILL OF the PEOPLE and respects our Mother Earth and doesn't promote the raping of Her. -------------
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow Matthew Bralow [september17discuss] Re: URGENT OUTREACH OPPORTUNITY - TODAY SUNDAY FROM NOON TO 3PM Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:12:23 PM
actually the arabic flyer seems to not have formatted the font properly. i will have to redo... i don't know arabic so anyone that can help me get this designed on a PC asap would be great! thanks! matt 917-607-0962 On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> sorry this took so long to get to people. i needed to sleep! also, i >> don't know how to write in arabic! got a translation from someone >> else.... >> >> THERE IS STILL TIME TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE AT PARADE... PARADE >> finishes around 3-4. please volunteer to do reach out if you can! >> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: >>> To get to Muslim Day Parade, R train or 6 train to 23rd St. >>> Madison & 23rd St. Noon-4pm. >>> >>> ------>>> >>> San Gennaro takes place on Mulberry St. 6 train to Spring St or Canal >>> St. N,R to Prince St. or N,R,Q to Canal St. All afternoon and into >>> evening. TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF THIS FESTIVAL. Again, a tremendous >>> reach out opportunity! If anyone wants to do this today please come >>> and do it! Would be wonderful to get the KIDS OUT for this one too! >>> >>> --------->>> >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hello all.... Can someone who is associated with OWS, please please >>>> PLEEEEEASE.... get volunteers to PRINT a flyer and volunteers to HAND >>>> OUT FLYERS at the following event today??? >>>> >>>> the MUSLIM DAY PARADE! I know it's short notice. But an ENORMOUS >>>> opportunity for outreach! >>>> >>>> It starts today at 12noon......... at 37th St & Madison Ave. and will >>>> proceed to 23rd St. & Madison Ave >>>> >>>> There should be a flyer ready in the morning. I will make sure it's >>>> posted hopefully early. In arabic! And if people that know arabic want >>>> to make their own or translate an existing one from English, please >>>> feel free to do so. Or if anyone wants to a written message or flyer >>>> from the Arab Spring, please FEEL free to duplicate that and >>>> distribute! >>>> >>>> Again, it's short notice, but could really start to diversify our >>>> movement and build it! >>>> >>>> ----------->>>> >>>> ALSO....
>>>> >>>> There is also the SAN GENNARO FESTIVAL on MULBERRY ST in Manhattan. >>>> This is also a TREMENDOUS opportunity to reach a diverse mix of >>>> demographic from the New York Tri-state area. Flyer should be geared >>>> towards INFORMING AND EDUCATING PEOPLE about the increased >>>> environmental pollution and TIE it into the IMMEDIATE NEED to get >>>> corporations out of government, STOP the continued broken promises, >>>> the psychopathic disregard that corporations have for human beings and >>>> our lives, and the mis-allocation of our public funds. And STOP LYING >>>> to the American people. We also want to show the NECESSITY for the >>>> PEOPLE of NYC to RISE UP to create a NEW FUTURE for NY and for the >>>> USA. A PEACEFUL REVOLUTION to create a strong local economy and a >>>> HUMANE citizenry that respects the RIGHTS OF and the WILL OF the >>>> PEOPLE and respects our Mother Earth and doesn't promote the raping of >>>> Her. >>>> ------------>>>> >>> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com; NYABC [september17discuss] Re: URGENT OUTREACH OPPORTUNITY - TODAY SUNDAY FROM NOON TO 3PM Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:09:36 AM
To get to Muslim Day Parade, R train or 6 train to 23rd St. Madison & 23rd St. Noon-4pm. ------San Gennaro takes place on Mulberry St. 6 train to Spring St or Canal St. N,R to Prince St. or N,R,Q to Canal St. All afternoon and into evening. TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF THIS FESTIVAL. Again, a tremendous reach out opportunity! If anyone wants to do this today please come and do it! Would be wonderful to get the KIDS OUT for this one too! ---------On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all.... Can someone who is associated with OWS, please please > PLEEEEEASE.... get volunteers to PRINT a flyer and volunteers to HAND > OUT FLYERS at the following event today??? > > the MUSLIM DAY PARADE! I know it's short notice. But an ENORMOUS > opportunity for outreach! > > It starts today at 12noon......... at 37th St & Madison Ave. and will > proceed to 23rd St. & Madison Ave > > There should be a flyer ready in the morning. I will make sure it's > posted hopefully early. In arabic! And if people that know arabic want > to make their own or translate an existing one from English, please > feel free to do so. Or if anyone wants to a written message or flyer > from the Arab Spring, please FEEL free to duplicate that and > distribute! > > Again, it's short notice, but could really start to diversify our > movement and build it! > > -----------> > ALSO.... > > There is also the SAN GENNARO FESTIVAL on MULBERRY ST in Manhattan. > This is also a TREMENDOUS opportunity to reach a diverse mix of > demographic from the New York Tri-state area. Flyer should be geared > towards INFORMING AND EDUCATING PEOPLE about the increased > environmental pollution and TIE it into the IMMEDIATE NEED to get > corporations out of government, STOP the continued broken promises, > the psychopathic disregard that corporations have for human beings and > our lives, and the mis-allocation of our public funds. And STOP LYING > to the American people. We also want to show the NECESSITY for the > PEOPLE of NYC to RISE UP to create a NEW FUTURE for NY and for the > USA. A PEACEFUL REVOLUTION to create a strong local economy and a > HUMANE citizenry that respects the RIGHTS OF and the WILL OF the > PEOPLE and respects our Mother Earth and doesn't promote the raping of > Her.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17 [september17discuss] Re: Victory in Tacoma: Teachers defy injunction, win strike Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:26:45 PM
And just in case the links between this strike and OccupyWallSt aren't clear, the movement to privatize public education and gut teachers' seniority and compensation is being led by corporate 'reformers' like the Gates Foundation and the Broad Foundation, who exercise as much power in educational policy as the banks do in economic policy. Gates was directly involved in the attack on Tacoma teachers, as discussed in the article. And the justification for cuts to education (and the post office, hospitals, senior centers, etc.) is that there is no money to pay for them despite the fact that there were trillions of dollars to bail out Wall Street and the banks, and that it was Wall Street that caused the economic crisis in the first place. The line from Wall Street to attacks on public education is short and direct. Doug S On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: This is a major development. Teachers in Tacoma were facing calls for concessions on their seniority and pay and attempts to basically crush the union, part of the nationwide attack on teachers which is the front line in the attack on workers and unions. They were ordered by a judge to call off their strike but they ignored the injunction, held out, and beat back the concessions. They also won guarantees to hold down class sizes, showing that teachers' struggles and students' struggles are linked and that, rather than teachers' unions being bad for students, it's the corporate 'reformers' who are bad for students. The fact that the Tacoma teachers' union defied a court ruling and won will hopefully be an example for other unions to follow. This is what we need to see more of in order to build an anti-austerity movement that's actually capable of winning. Occupations can help catalyze resistance and put pressure on politicians, but the struggle needs to extend deep into workplaces, schools and communities in order to have the social and political muscle to win. Remember, it was the prospect of a general strike in Egypt that finally forced Mubarak from power, and it was a strike wave in the preceding years that created the political atmosphere and the network of activists that initiated the protests and the occupation of Tahrir. Doug
http://socialistworker.org/2011/09/27/victory-for-tacoma-teachers
Protests were critical to the struggle as well. After voting by 93 percent on September 14 to defy a judge's back-to-work order, thousands of teachers and students rallied the following day, completely encircling the school district's Central Administration Building. Support for the strike was strong throughout. Students organized a Facebook group to back their teachers and rallied at the Tacoma Dome to support
teachers when they voted to defy the court order. Hundreds of students chanted, "Teacher Power" and formed a gauntlet of high fives for teachers to walk through. ---------------THE TACOMA teachers' strike shows that it's possible to stand up against school districts and corporate reform groups' attempts to shred due process and balance budgets on our backs. "We haven't gone on strike in 33 years," said TEA President Andy Coons. "We didn't go into this lightly. We have a very high strike threshold--80 percent of the entire membership, not just those that turn out for the meeting. It's unified us. We realize the power of the worker, and that when something is not right, we can stand up, and we can make it right." ... But TEA members say their struggle didn't end when they voted to approve the contract. In a speech to the association after ratification, Coons quoted Margaret Mead: "Never depend upon institutions or government to solve any problem. All social movements are founded by, guided by, motivated and seen through by the passion of individuals."
Victory for Tacoma teachers

Dan Trocolli, a member of the Seattle Education Association, reports on the widespread implications of a victory by Tacoma public school teachers. September 27, 2011 Tacoma teachers on the picket line in defiance of a judge's injunction AFTER 10 days on the picket line in defiance of judge's order, Tacoma teachers fended off a pay cut and attacks on the union's seniority protections to win a contract that bucks the concessionary trend in teachers' union settlements across the U.S. The teachers, members of the Tacoma Education Association (TEA), voted September 22 by a margin of 98.9 percent to ratify the tentative agreement with Tacoma Public Schools (TPS) and return to work. The agreement was reached a day earlier after union and TPS negotiators met for hours in the state capital of Olympia, with Gov. Christine Gregoire mediating. If Gregoire felt pressure to intervene, it's in part because of the widespread community and labor support for the strike. Members of other unions, such as the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, United Food and Commercial Workers and Washington Federation of State Employees were present at picket lines in support as well. National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel recorded a message of support for Tacoma teachers.
As Fred Garnsey, a fourth grade teacher at Arlington Elementary, said: "NEA is the largest union in the United States, and as such is in the forefront [facing] attacks to eliminate collective bargaining and free up corporate administrations to do whatever they want, whether it be to hire and fire without any justification. This is a microcosm of what's happening nationwide in different states. The TEA came up with creating ways of publicizing the struggle, including a website called WeTeachTacoma.org. Comments on the website from people supporting the strike came in not only from Tacoma and the surrounding area, but as far away as Wisconsin and Indiana. The TEA also distributed a regular flyer to picketers called On the Line, which informed strikers of new developments and picket location changes, while providing talking points for union members. A group of teachers organized a group that cycled from picket to picket, earning a rousing cheer at each location. Protests were critical to the struggle as well. After voting by 93 percent on September 14 to defy a judge's back-to-work order, thousands of teachers and students rallied the following day, completely encircling the school district's Central Administration Building. Support for the strike was strong throughout. Students organized a Facebook group to back their teachers and rallied at the Tacoma Dome to support teachers when they voted to defy the court order. Hundreds of students chanted, "Teacher Power" and formed a gauntlet of high fives for teachers to walk through. ---------------THE TACOMA teachers' strike shows that it's possible to stand up against school districts and corporate reform groups' attempts to shred due process and balance budgets on our backs. "We haven't gone on strike in 33 years," said TEA President Andy Coons. "We didn't go into this lightly. We have a very high strike threshold--80 percent of the entire membership, not just those that turn out for the meeting. It's unified us. We realize the power of the worker, and that when something is not right, we can stand up, and we can make it right." The TEA and the school district disagreed primarily over removing seniority from displacement and transfers of teachers, as well as disputes over pay and class size. Under the agreement that union members approved, seniority protection will remain in place for the first year of the three-year agreement, during which time the district and the union will form a joint committee to explore new criteria for the displacement process. Initially, TPS sought to cut teachers' pay, even though the district has $45 million in reserves. Despite a state cut of 1.9 percent to teacher pay, the union avoided a cut to the salary schedule, losing only one building optional development day. The TEA also protected existing class size limits and strengthened contract language on class size caps for elementary schools.
The district played hardball from the get-go, hiring an outside negotiator, Washington Employers, at a rate of $1,500 a session. On its website, Washington Employers describes its services: "We provide a full range of collective bargaining services for member employers with unionized employees, as well as for non-union employers facing union organizing efforts...[including preparing] a strike readiness plan and assisting in maximizing the employer's ability to withstand a strike with minimal interruption of operation." TPS also used robo-calls to get its claims about bargaining out to teachers and the community--many teachers were outraged by what they felt were outright lies about the district and union proposals. The TEA routinely tried to set the record straight at WeTeachTacoma.org. The school district was being lobbied to make drastic changes in seniority by a group called the Vibrant Schools Tacoma Coalition (VSTC). On its website and elsewhere, VSTC lays out its claims focus without any supporting facts. For example, in a letter to the Tacoma News Tribune on behalf of Vibrant Schools, the authors claim that 80 percent of Tacoma voters support a teachers contract that guts seniority protections. Vibrant Schools, which formed in late April, is a coalition of various local organizations, including the Tacoma chapter of Stand for Children and the Gates Foundation-funded League of Education Voters, both corporate-style "education reform" organizations. According to the Seattle Education blog, which is affiliated with the group Parents Across America Seattle, the domain name for the Vibrant Schools website was registered to someone from Strategies 360/DMA. Strategies 360 is a marketing firm used last year in Seattle by another Gatesfunded group, the Alliance for Education, to conduct a push-poll advocating performance-based pay for teachers, the anti-union Teach for America program and an end to seniority protections for teachers. The firm then used the push poll to set up an Astroturf group in Seattle, called the Our Schools Coalition, to push corporate school reform. Meanwhile, Vibrant Schools also hired an outside firm, EMC Research, to conduct surveys in Tacoma upon which most of its positions are based, though it is unclear how the supposed "grassroots" coalition paid for the polling. ---------------DESPITE THE pressure from the school district and VSTC, union members' resolve only increased. It's clear that the district intends to continue its efforts to undermine the union. For example, according to a letter from TEA President Coons to the Tacoma School Board and district superintendent, school officials are violating the amnesty agreement in the contract by withholding all but two days' pay during the strike from teachers' October paychecks. But TEA members say their struggle didn't end when they voted to approve the contract. In a speech to the association after ratification, Coons quoted Margaret Mead: "Never depend upon institutions or government to solve any problem. All
social movements are founded by, guided by, motivated and seen through by the passion of individuals." Teachers feel they won an important victory, even though the fight to defend seniority rights will continue. Teacher Fred Garnsey reflected the overwhelming sentiment among TEA members after the approval of the contract: There has to be some flexibility, but there also has to be some safeguards. There needs to be due process for teachers so that they have the opportunity to be mentored, to improve and at least know why and not be fired for no-cause. Classroom teachers do an awful lot, but they can't do it all. Just having a teacher in every classroom is not enough. We need support personnel and resources to meet the needs of our students. TEA members will have to keep their passion alive to ensure that the joint committee on displacement doesn't succumb to pressure to erode seniority further and keep the district to its word.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:57:30 AM
White shirts are supervisors and officers. The bosses, basically. On Sep 25, 11:50 am, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > Why is it so often the officers in white shirts that are the most violent? > > > > > > > > On 09/25/11,grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com>wrote: http://youtu.be/QDyrQpccfgwhttp://youtu.be/15Bg3EoA2J4http://youtu.be/moD2JnGTToAhttp://youtu.be/a1LR5sPJcUk > These are just a few of the videos that made it online... there are many-- and they are staying up on youtube > I hope that the girls who were pepper sprayed get a gigantic settlement from nycOn Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Elysa Lozano<elysalozano@googlemail.com>wrote:Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone/group is collecting videos of individual arrests. > > I know some folks who would love access to theirs at this point. > > Wondered if this was being centralized at all? > > Or if people happened to take video of individuals being taken down? > > > > Elysa
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] Re: We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:56:11 PM
Do you think Karen can come a little bit earlier, around 5.45 pm? Just to be fair with our other volunteer that has been scheduled at 6pm!
On Sep 28, 4:33 am, Michael Strom <michael.g.st...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is great! I was hoping a popular education program like this would be > put together. Thanks. =) > > But I do have a question about something I'm in the process of pulling > together for Thursday. I'm a member of a group called Organizing for > Occupation (O4O: o4onyc.org), a grassroots organization that works to > actualize the human right to housing through direct action. One of the lead > organizers of O4O, Karen Gargamelli, would like to come speak at Liberty > Plaza on Thursday at 6pm about the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we > can do bring together and support our struggles. O4O members fighting > through foreclosure and/or homelessness would come and speak as well. > > One of the goals of this discussion will be to establish relationships > between Occupy Wall Street and O4O folks in hopes of organizing a series of > anti-foreclosure actions next week. > > I know that 6pm on Thursday is the only time Karen can come this week. Is > there any way that we could combine this with Thursday's 99% Open Forum? > Maybe switch things around so that Thursday's topic is housing-related? > > I think working with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of > levels (help us build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in > deeper conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum > through strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous > events take away from each others' attendance. > > Thoughts? > > -Michael
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Response To NY Times article is Amazing! Monday, September 26, 2011 3:13:01 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/nyregion/protesters-are-gunningfor-wall-street-with-faulty-aim.html - The article is pretty bad, but the comments are amazing. Nearly every comment is super supportive and it's very inspiring actually. I find it interesting that the NY Times closed the comments. I think the NY TIMES is getting that people aren't okay with this type of coverage. Hope their next report is more objective, because as a fellow journalist, I was cringing reading it. Ouch.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Salon article Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:59:23 AM
.@salon thank you for a great article on y we #occupywallstreet http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/28/protests/index.html #occupywallstreet #occupytogether
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com "Luis Moreno-Caballud" [september17discuss] Sept.24 WOW! Obama calls people, especially African Americans, into the streets Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:41:34 PM
WOW! This, as Obama reminded his audience, is how the 60s started and succeeded. Speaking before the Congressional Black Congress Pres Obama just called on AfricanAmericans (who officially are said to be at 17% unemployment with 40% African-American children in poverty) to press on, saying Im going to press on: for jobs, for equality, for the sake of our children, for all those families that are struggling, I expect all of you to march with me and press on; take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes; stop complaining; stop grumbling, stop crying; we are going to press on. When you say at a time when the top 1/10 of 1% has seen their income go up 4 or 5 times over the last 20 years & folks at the bottom have seen their income decline and you want them to pay more, give me a break. They say thats class warfare. If asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a janitor makes me a warrior for the working class, I wear that as a badge of honor. He hit all the issues of ordinary people: unequal tax burdens, jobs, cuts in social programs, education, access to college, crumbling infrastructure, accessible health care, loss of homes to mortgage foreclosures, privileges of corporations, oil companies. He said, they may say were crazy, but thats the good kind of crazy that says you cant stop marching; you cant stop We should sign petition asking him to acknowledge Occupy Wall Street and we should reach out to the African American community. https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/#!/petition/recognize-men-and-women-who-areoccupying-wall-street/tX0ZX8Z7
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Solidarity of New Yorkers Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:01:45 PM
A CUNY colleague has offered to organize a peaceful solidarity rally of New York City supporters against the police abuse that people could even attend with their children. What do people think?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jason ahmadi september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] solidarity with postal workers? Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:15:58 PM
hey all, I am here in upstate NY recovering from a staph infection at my uncle's who is a PhD in electrical engineering and works at IBM and he could not understand why folks marched to the postal workers. He told me that postal workers have 25% less usage in this modern age and therefore should face reflective cuts. He also asked me when was the last time I sent someone mail and offered the same question to all of the occupiers who are so dependent on email, twitter and facebook for our communications. I am usually pretty good and talking points, but I did not have a good response on why occupy wall street (can we please, please avoid activism speak of acronyms and OWS) supports the postal workers. Can someone please give me an educated informed response on why we support the postal workers? Keep in mind that we are talking to each other on this and not outreaching to media, but at sometime the media will ask the same questions and we should be ready. Peace and Love, Jason p.s. I think I will be back in the streets on Friday with no more nasty pustules on my face.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Sound permit Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:57:50 AM
Hi all, I'm unable to go into precinct today. Can someone please take in the application, this is critically important, to start this process so we can later apply pressure Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Strategy Inspiration: Anna Hazare Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:31:46 PM
Sent from a good friend of mine for the group to consider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Hazare
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com straw.ash@gmail.com [september17discuss] Suggest we start using #OCCUPYALLSTREETS to build solidarity actions across the country and world Monday, September 26, 2011 1:42:12 PM
Hey guys, Its seems we have gotten a national and international platform now. Maybe its time to start promote the using of #OCCUPYALLSTREETS as well as #OCCUPYWALLSTREET in our twitter communication. The idea sprung from the fact that soon Ash and I will no longer be in NYC. It is our intention that after the stop the machine campaign in DC, we will hit the road again and attempt to organize actions in solidarity with #OCCUPYWALLSTREET across the nation. We are going to use the hashtag #occupallstreets to mark these actions and think it may be a good way for activists leaving #OCCUPYWALLSTREET to go home to continue to organize actions in solidarity with #OCCUPYWALLSTREET as well as encouraging those who can not make it Liberty Park to organize actions in their towns in support. Let me know what you think... Yours in peace and struggle, ~GARY
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard S. september17 [september17discuss] Support and Criticism from the World Socialist Web Site Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:53:41 AM
Sometimes it's good to see some of the criticisms from the left. The World Socialist Web Site is an excellent news source, and it's read by many people who aren't just Trotskyists, including many anarchists or non-Trotskyist socialists (I'm somewhere in that area - not a Trotskyist, but I read this all the time). They took a while to get around to talking about Occupy Wall St.... Their article was generally supportive, especially with regard to the confrontation with the police and regarding the outlook of many participants in the group (nice interviews), but also somewhat critical of the organizers. Their main criticism starts out like this: "The organizers of the occupation have made a point of rejecting 'politics,' which essentially provides a cover for a perspective that is clearly one of reforming the capitalist system though protest..." Here is the link: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/sep2011/wall-s26.shtml By the way, there have also been at least two articles the past day or so in CounterPunch too (though haven't really read them yet)...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17; ows_outreach@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] The #occupywallstreet journal needs help Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:40:43 PM
Plz email occupymedia@gmail ASAP if you are a copy editor or graphic design person and you have time tomorrow.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Naomi Less [september17discuss] The Women of Occupy Wall Street Monday, September 26, 2011 11:28:24 PM
Hi all, You may remember Naomi and Glenn from a recent general assembly and all their mic equipment. Naomi has compiled a short video w/ interviews of ladies here at the park. Check it out... @occupyWallStNYC: Check out 'The Women of #OccupyWallStreet' VIDEO: http://t.co/75ECAmYa #sep17 #fem2
Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] This video... Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:47:10 PM
... was seen by 340 people yesterday night. It has now almost 270,000 views. It is spreading like wildfire through social media: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moD2JnGTToA& It is the best call for a solidarity rally against police abuses we can possibly have as it is so obvious that there was no reason whatsoever to pepper-spray these students.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] three events sponsored by brecht forum at Occupy Wall Street (PUBLISH at occupywallst.org) Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:31:05 PM
Thursday, September 29 5:30 pm AT FREEDOM SQUARE(LIBERTY PLAZA) CORNER OF LIBERTY AND BROADWAY From Madrid to New York to.... A History of Occupations People's University at #OccupyWallStreet Discussion with Gerardo Renique Tuesday, October 4 5:30 pm AT FREEDOM SQUARE(LIBERTY PLAZA) CORNER OF LIBERTY AND BROADWAY Economic Update with Rick Wolff People's University at #OccupyWallStreet Rick Wolff Occupy Wall Street continues to capture the imagination of millions across the globe. Join us for a series "People's University at Occupy Walls Street" as we connect the dots, build bridges and...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow Matthew Bralow [september17discuss] TODAY, 5PM - Chris Williams - No Nukes! No Fracking! - How Renewable Energy Can Power the Planet Monday, September 26, 2011 12:23:08 AM
TODAY, Monday, 5:00pm - Chris Williams - No Nukes! No Fracking! - How Renewable Energy Can Power the Planet at Liberty (formerly Zuccotti) Park - Broadway & Liberty St. 6 train to Fulton St., A,C,E to World Trade Center, N,R to Rector St. In a clear indication of just how far removed from reality the debates in Washington have become, the meltdowns that occurred at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan have led to calls by US politicians not for an end to nuclear power, but for its EXPANSION and the growth of other environmentally destructive energy solutions: hydrofracking, the refining of tar sands, mountain-top removal of coal, the expansion of off-shore drilling. But movements against nuclear power, fracking and TRULY SUSTAINABLE ENERGY are RE-EMERGING with renewed vitality across the world: due to mass protest, the governments of Germany and Switzerland are closing their nuke plants and 95% of Italians just voted to do the same! How can we build the movement here in NYC? How realistic are wind, solar and geothermal alternatives to power all of our energy needs? What other changes are necessary to bring them about? Join us at OCCUPY WALL ST at Liberty Park to discuss how we can STRENGTHEN THIS movement and what solutions can put forward for the ecological crisis facing our society!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 [september17discuss] Two critical articles worthy of review Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:55:25 PM
By the same woman, but I think there may be a few points to consider: http://www.nathalierothschild.com/ http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/11098/
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com; NYABC [september17discuss] URGENT OUTREACH OPPORTUNITY - TODAY SUNDAY FROM NOON TO 3PM Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:02:02 AM
Hello all.... Can someone who is associated with OWS, please please PLEEEEEASE.... get volunteers to PRINT a flyer and volunteers to HAND OUT FLYERS at the following event today??? the MUSLIM DAY PARADE! I know it's short notice. But an ENORMOUS opportunity for outreach! It starts today at 12noon......... at 37th St & Madison Ave. and will proceed to 23rd St. & Madison Ave There should be a flyer ready in the morning. I will make sure it's posted hopefully early. In arabic! And if people that know arabic want to make their own or translate an existing one from English, please feel free to do so. Or if anyone wants to a written message or flyer from the Arab Spring, please FEEL free to duplicate that and distribute! Again, it's short notice, but could really start to diversify our movement and build it! -----------ALSO.... There is also the SAN GENNARO FESTIVAL on MULBERRY ST in Manhattan. This is also a TREMENDOUS opportunity to reach a diverse mix of demographic from the New York Tri-state area. Flyer should be geared towards INFORMING AND EDUCATING PEOPLE about the increased environmental pollution and TIE it into the IMMEDIATE NEED to get corporations out of government, STOP the continued broken promises, the psychopathic disregard that corporations have for human beings and our lives, and the mis-allocation of our public funds. And STOP LYING to the American people. We also want to show the NECESSITY for the PEOPLE of NYC to RISE UP to create a NEW FUTURE for NY and for the USA. A PEACEFUL REVOLUTION to create a strong local economy and a HUMANE citizenry that respects the RIGHTS OF and the WILL OF the PEOPLE and respects our Mother Earth and doesn't promote the raping of Her. -------------
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17 [september17discuss] Victory in Tacoma: Teachers defy injunction, win strike Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:18:06 AM
This is a major development. Teachers in Tacoma were facing calls for concessions on their seniority and pay and attempts to basically crush the union, part of the nationwide attack on teachers which is the front line in the attack on workers and unions. They were ordered by a judge to call off their strike but they ignored the injunction, held out, and beat back the concessions. They also won guarantees to hold down class sizes, showing that teachers' struggles and students' struggles are linked and that, rather than teachers' unions being bad for students, it's the corporate 'reformers' who are bad for students. The fact that the Tacoma teachers' union defied a court ruling and won will hopefully be an example for other unions to follow. This is what we need to see more of in order to build an anti-austerity movement that's actually capable of winning. Occupations can help catalyze resistance and put pressure on politicians, but the struggle needs to extend deep into workplaces, schools and communities in order to have the social and political muscle to win. Remember, it was the prospect of a general strike in Egypt that finally forced Mubarak from power, and it was a strike wave in the preceding years that created the political atmosphere and the network of activists that initiated the protests and the occupation of Tahrir. Doug
http://socialistworker.org/2011/09/27/victory-for-tacoma-teachers
Protests were critical to the struggle as well. After voting by 93 percent on September 14 to defy a judge's back-to-work order, thousands of teachers and students rallied the following day, completely encircling the school district's Central Administration Building. Support for the strike was strong throughout. Students organized a Facebook group to back their teachers and rallied at the Tacoma Dome to support teachers when they voted to defy the court order. Hundreds of students chanted, "Teacher Power" and formed a gauntlet of high fives for teachers to walk through. ---------------THE TACOMA teachers' strike shows that it's possible to stand up against school districts and corporate reform groups' attempts to shred due process and balance budgets on our backs. "We haven't gone on strike in 33 years," said TEA President Andy Coons. "We didn't go into this lightly. We have a very high strike threshold--80 percent of the entire membership, not just those that turn out for the meeting. It's unified us. We realize the power of the worker, and that when something is not right, we can stand up, and we can make it right."
... But TEA members say their struggle didn't end when they voted to approve the contract. In a speech to the association after ratification, Coons quoted Margaret Mead: "Never depend upon institutions or government to solve any problem. All social movements are founded by, guided by, motivated and seen through by the passion of individuals."
Victory for Tacoma teachers

Dan Trocolli, a member of the Seattle Education Association, reports on the widespread implications of a victory by Tacoma public school teachers. September 27, 2011 Tacoma teachers on the picket line in defiance of a judge's injunction AFTER 10 days on the picket line in defiance of judge's order, Tacoma teachers fended off a pay cut and attacks on the union's seniority protections to win a contract that bucks the concessionary trend in teachers' union settlements across the U.S. The teachers, members of the Tacoma Education Association (TEA), voted September 22 by a margin of 98.9 percent to ratify the tentative agreement with Tacoma Public Schools (TPS) and return to work. The agreement was reached a day earlier after union and TPS negotiators met for hours in the state capital of Olympia, with Gov. Christine Gregoire mediating. If Gregoire felt pressure to intervene, it's in part because of the widespread community and labor support for the strike. Members of other unions, such as the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, United Food and Commercial Workers and Washington Federation of State Employees were present at picket lines in support as well. National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel recorded a message of support for Tacoma teachers. As Fred Garnsey, a fourth grade teacher at Arlington Elementary, said: "NEA is the largest union in the United States, and as such is in the forefront [facing] attacks to eliminate collective bargaining and free up corporate administrations to do whatever they want, whether it be to hire and fire without any justification. This is a microcosm of what's happening nationwide in different states. The TEA came up with creating ways of publicizing the struggle, including a website called WeTeachTacoma.org. Comments on the website from people supporting the strike came in not only from Tacoma and the surrounding area, but as far away as Wisconsin and Indiana. The TEA also distributed a regular flyer to picketers called On the Line, which informed strikers of new developments and picket location changes, while providing talking points for union members. A group of teachers organized a group that cycled from picket to picket, earning a rousing cheer at each location.
Protests were critical to the struggle as well. After voting by 93 percent on September 14 to defy a judge's back-to-work order, thousands of teachers and students rallied the following day, completely encircling the school district's Central Administration Building. Support for the strike was strong throughout. Students organized a Facebook group to back their teachers and rallied at the Tacoma Dome to support teachers when they voted to defy the court order. Hundreds of students chanted, "Teacher Power" and formed a gauntlet of high fives for teachers to walk through. ---------------THE TACOMA teachers' strike shows that it's possible to stand up against school districts and corporate reform groups' attempts to shred due process and balance budgets on our backs. "We haven't gone on strike in 33 years," said TEA President Andy Coons. "We didn't go into this lightly. We have a very high strike threshold--80 percent of the entire membership, not just those that turn out for the meeting. It's unified us. We realize the power of the worker, and that when something is not right, we can stand up, and we can make it right." The TEA and the school district disagreed primarily over removing seniority from displacement and transfers of teachers, as well as disputes over pay and class size. Under the agreement that union members approved, seniority protection will remain in place for the first year of the three-year agreement, during which time the district and the union will form a joint committee to explore new criteria for the displacement process. Initially, TPS sought to cut teachers' pay, even though the district has $45 million in reserves. Despite a state cut of 1.9 percent to teacher pay, the union avoided a cut to the salary schedule, losing only one building optional development day. The TEA also protected existing class size limits and strengthened contract language on class size caps for elementary schools. The district played hardball from the get-go, hiring an outside negotiator, Washington Employers, at a rate of $1,500 a session. On its website, Washington Employers describes its services: "We provide a full range of collective bargaining services for member employers with unionized employees, as well as for non-union employers facing union organizing efforts...[including preparing] a strike readiness plan and assisting in maximizing the employer's ability to withstand a strike with minimal interruption of operation." TPS also used robo-calls to get its claims about bargaining out to teachers and the community--many teachers were outraged by what they felt were outright lies about the district and union proposals. The TEA routinely tried to set the record straight at WeTeachTacoma.org. The school district was being lobbied to make drastic changes in seniority by a group called the Vibrant Schools Tacoma Coalition (VSTC). On its website and elsewhere, VSTC lays out its claims focus without any supporting facts. For example, in a letter to the Tacoma News Tribune on behalf of Vibrant Schools, the authors
claim that 80 percent of Tacoma voters support a teachers contract that guts seniority protections. Vibrant Schools, which formed in late April, is a coalition of various local organizations, including the Tacoma chapter of Stand for Children and the Gates Foundation-funded League of Education Voters, both corporate-style "education reform" organizations. According to the Seattle Education blog, which is affiliated with the group Parents Across America Seattle, the domain name for the Vibrant Schools website was registered to someone from Strategies 360/DMA. Strategies 360 is a marketing firm used last year in Seattle by another Gates-funded group, the Alliance for Education, to conduct a push-poll advocating performancebased pay for teachers, the anti-union Teach for America program and an end to seniority protections for teachers. The firm then used the push poll to set up an Astroturf group in Seattle, called the Our Schools Coalition, to push corporate school reform. Meanwhile, Vibrant Schools also hired an outside firm, EMC Research, to conduct surveys in Tacoma upon which most of its positions are based, though it is unclear how the supposed "grassroots" coalition paid for the polling. ---------------DESPITE THE pressure from the school district and VSTC, union members' resolve only increased. It's clear that the district intends to continue its efforts to undermine the union. For example, according to a letter from TEA President Coons to the Tacoma School Board and district superintendent, school officials are violating the amnesty agreement in the contract by withholding all but two days' pay during the strike from teachers' October paychecks. But TEA members say their struggle didn't end when they voted to approve the contract. In a speech to the association after ratification, Coons quoted Margaret Mead: "Never depend upon institutions or government to solve any problem. All social movements are founded by, guided by, motivated and seen through by the passion of individuals." Teachers feel they won an important victory, even though the fight to defend seniority rights will continue. Teacher Fred Garnsey reflected the overwhelming sentiment among TEA members after the approval of the contract: There has to be some flexibility, but there also has to be some safeguards. There needs to be due process for teachers so that they have the opportunity to be mentored, to improve and at least know why and not be fired for no-cause. Classroom teachers do an awful lot, but they can't do it all. Just having a teacher in every classroom is not enough. We need support personnel and resources to meet the needs of our students. TEA members will have to keep their passion alive to ensure that the joint committee on displacement doesn't succumb to pressure to erode seniority further
and keep the district to its word.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Elysa Lozano september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:21:30 AM
Hello, I was wondering if anyone/group is collecting videos of individual arrests. I know some folks who would love access to theirs at this point. Wondered if this was being centralized at all? Or if people happened to take video of individuals being taken down? Elysa
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] VIjay Prashad"s Article: "The Philosophy Behind Occupy Wall Street" Essential Reading!! Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:21:14 PM
Vijay Prashad, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_Prashad, just published this piece in counterpunch about finance capital and the reason why we are occupying wall street. Mandatory reading! Discussions!! Lots of kids at the encampment are confused. A fellow approached me last night at Liberty Plaza, asking if I was interested in joining his BDSM affinity group...concerned. Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 [september17discuss] We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:10:35 PM
Hello! As we announced at the GA, we have started the We are the 99% Open Forum at Liberty Square. The idea is to have a daily 6pm discussion on economics and politics that are relevant to the goals of the protest. Each Open Forum starts with an introductory presentation on a topic by a volunteer. After the presentation, there is an open discussion on the days theme. Today the theme revolved around "The sovereignity of debt". Around 30 people gathered around, many of them passerbys. After the presentation we invite them to join the working groups and participate in future forums. Thursday at 6pm is How to tax millionaires. We meet in the part of the park that is accross the burger king. Keep giving out ideas!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] What do we tell the world? Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:49:34 AM
There was a proposal made at the facilitating working group right before things really started getting ugly.* I don't remember the name of the person who made it, but she had a brilliant idea and it sucks that we didn't pick up on it. The idea was: We need consensus on the form of any message, statement, or demand from Occupy Wall Street before we can even begin to discuss its content. What does that mean? It means that there's a whole bunch of different kinds of things we can say, and they all have different purposes and effects, and there are different processes for creating each. An oversimplification follows: A statement of principles talks about who we are. A statement of goals talks about what we want to accomplish. A list of demands talks about how we want to effect change. A call to action talks about why we exist. Will we have a numbered list? A single slogan? A few paragraphs? A single paragraph and then a bulleted list? A meme? An all-singing, all-dancing, disco revival extravaganza? There are even more ways to say things than this, and *really* well-written one can say several of these things at once. We should, at some point, have all of them. But right now it's important to agree which one(s) we will create this week. I'd like this to be a proposal at the next GA but I won't be around tomorrow, so if someone agrees with me please step up and adopt this. I don't know if it should be a working group or just straight to the GA. Thoughts? Solidarity, Jon * I want to apologize for the role I had in the uglification of that meeting. I felt a lot of pressure from outside that something needed to be said today, and this made it hard for me to think clearly and hard to realize when I should check my privilege.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com [september17discuss] WOW! Obama calls people, especially African Americans, into the streets Monday, September 26, 2011 3:56:09 AM
Of course youre right, Doug, about Obama. He is Wall Street. So he was losing his base & catching hell from some African-American leaders and needed to draw them back for the 2012 election. So I agree this is opportunism- and the jobs program it is meant to support offers little to the masses and quite a bit to employers Still, even if it does delude people about Obama, the fact that the message that went out wasnt lets beat the Republicans but go into the streets and start marchingthe way we did in the 60s may create an opening for the left in the African-American community which has been very torn about mobilizing militantly lest it be seen as antiObama in a community that for historical reasons still is attached to the idea of the first black President. See Nick Powers article Exile in the Promised Land in the May 2011 Indypendent. I just think it might be read by some like FDRs to the labor movement if theres something you want, go out &) mobilize & make me do it. And one blogger is already interpreting and promoting it as a call to go join Occupy Wall Street.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:23 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Sept.24 WOW! Obama calls people, especially African Americans, into the streets
This is such utter hypocrisy from Obama. He has spent his entire administration and all his political energy protecting Wall Street and the rich, privatizing education and attacking teachers, continuing and extending the wars and occupations and the attack on civil liberties, and doing as little as possible to create jobs, fight racism or protect people facing foreclosures. This is simply a diversion designed to mobilize people behind him as we enter election season and divert attention from the long list of his failures. We should not take this bait and see him as our ally: he has proven with his actions that he is not. Doug S On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: WOW! This, as Obama reminded his audience, is how the 60s started and succeeded. Speaking before the Congressional Black Congress Pres Obama just called on AfricanAmericans (who officially are said to be at 17% unemployment with 40% African-American children in poverty) to press on, saying Im going to press on: for jobs, for equality, for the sake of our children, for all those families that are struggling, I expect all of you to march with me and press on; take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes; stop complaining; stop grumbling, stop crying; we are going to press on. When you say at a time
when the top 1/10 of 1% has seen their income go up 4 or 5 times over the last 20 years & folks at the bottom have seen their income decline and you want them to pay more, give me a break. They say thats class warfare. If asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a janitor makes me a warrior for the working class, I wear that as a badge of honor. He hit all the issues of ordinary people: unequal tax burdens, jobs, cuts in social programs, education, access to college, crumbling infrastructure, accessible health care, loss of homes to mortgage foreclosures, privileges of corporations, oil companies. He said, they may say were crazy, but thats the good kind of crazy that says you cant stop marching; you cant stop We should sign petition asking him to acknowledge Occupy Wall Street and we should reach out to the African American community. https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/#!/petition/recognize-men-and-women-who-areoccupying-wall-street/tX0ZX8Z7
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of L. W. Wind J.A. Myerson; september17@googlegroups.com; Joshua van Praag; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; Lauri Faggioni [september17discuss] www.nycga.org is shut down Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:16:41 PM
someone has been PWND --Ms. Wind
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of nikky schiller globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com assembly 8pm at one liberty plaza by tomorrow tusday Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:53:06 AM
we will meet you there all the best viva la revolucin
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Camera Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:35:31 PM
Can someone just confirm that my silver HV20 with wide angle adaptor and shotgun mike is within sight / in a safe place? I know Maria was running it to stream the GA when I left last night. I just ask that it be water protected if the rain comes in -- it's our only working HV camera until we get those others in Thx Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Fwd: Livefeed audio Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:48:32 PM
Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multi-camera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even
with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of jason ahmadi globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Monday, September 26, 2011 11:57:26 AM
I am sure ya'll know of this guy and his video projects. Can Flux or someone send him some good video and is there someone in particular we want to send his way for an interview? I identify as a person of color and am willing to do it, but if someone else wants to then they should go for it. Peace and Love, Jason ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: stimulator <submedia@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Occupy Wall Street To: jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> Hey Jason, Yeah man links to the best videos would be great! Also, do you know a person who can give me an interview over skype? Preferably a woman and or a person of color? thanks! stim On 11-09-25 8:19 AM, jason ahmadi wrote: > Dear Mr. Lopez, > > We met in Modesto, CA when you brought your film to the Anarchist space > there. I was the kid who was involved in EF! Humboldt who you told the > story about falling out of the tree and defended the power of nonviolence in > the comment part of your event. I have been an organizer of the occupy wall > street action and wanted to offer anything in your work of putting out the > real story. I can be reached through email or phone 408-529-8683. Also I > am on the media team so I could help get you footage from the ground. I > follow your show regularly and keep up the great work. > > Peace and Love, > Jason > -http://submedia.tv/stimulator http://twitter.com/stimulator htpp://youtube.com/stimulator http://www.myspace.com/submedia http://www.facebook.com/thestimulator
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globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of nikky schiller globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; jwedes@gmail.com meeting independent audiovisual media center at 6.00 today at square Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:36:26 PM
ey we wait for you to have the meeting nikky &vlad
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; Lauri Faggioni Musical coalition in solidarity Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:07:07 PM
Hey y'all Vanessa Wruble from Okay Player got in touch with us today. She is working with The Roots who have expressed an interest in joining our movement and helping to spread awareness by creating a coalition of big-name musicians who could visit the park, participate in marches and perhaps even organize a concert or two down the road. She suggested that the brilliant Quest Love himself might be prepared to front this coalition. People -- this could be really great for us, both in terms of morale booster for everyone in the square and for outreach and media coverage. I have given her a rundown of how things have been working on a daily basis, and directed her to www.nycga.org for a schedule of events. She understands that it's important to bring people down asap and she's figuring out people's schedules on her end and will be in touch. Im cc-ing Lauri Faggioni on this email -- she's been helping out at the park with various things and is an avid supporter of the movement. As a music video director and production designer she has also worked with lots of amazing musicians and is busy reaching out to more as we speak. She is prepared to help coordinate any bigger events and I ask that an administrator please add her to this listserve. As soon as we have an idea of when artists might be coming down we can collab with media relations to get the word out. Vanessa is also trying to get a web page up on www.okayplayer.com dedicated to OWS but there having problems with their designer. They are looking for someone with good HTML / Flash skills to lend a hand. The site gets hundreds of thousands of hits a day so it could be great again for spreading awareness. Anyone who's interested should contact me right away off-list Solidarity Josh. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Prudence Katze globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: assembly 8pm at one liberty plaza by tomorrow tusday Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:30:34 PM
Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Prudence What ever happened to that piece that was being cut from my footage and aquired footage of Hero getting beat by the cops? He needs any existing footage for his lawyers. Please let me know asap. Thanks Katie
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Hi Katie, Thanks so much! And Abe, if you are reading this - you can just email me at prudencekatze@gmail.com if you want to fill me in about the details for today if they are applicable to tomorrow (Thursday). in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts - live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA
No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
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How was the meeting? Are there any minutes for it? Also, I'm sorry that I keep repeating myself, but I want to let everyone know that I am going to be at the media center for a shift starting either 8AM or 10AM. Tomorrow looks like a lot of rain, so please let me know if ya'll have any specific rain plans or if I should know anything in advance of coming. Either way, I'm prepared to do a long shift and make sure everything stay dry! Also, is there a schedule for shifts? Or should I spearhead starting that while I am there tomorrow? in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On 27 sep, 01:53, nikky schiller wrote: > we will meet you there > all the best > viva la revolucin
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vlad T globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: assembly 8pm at one liberty plaza by tomorrow tusday Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:44:15 PM
hero was fluxes footage On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts - live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can
fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
its on the desktop of the pink streaming laptop On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: I remember that. I don't have that footage because we couldn't figure out how to get it off of his computer while I was there. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: hero was fluxes footage On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hi Katie, Thanks so much! And Abe, if you are reading this - you can just email me at prudencekatze@gmail.com if you want to fill me in about the details for
today if they are applicable to tomorrow (Thursday). in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts - live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to
Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
I remember that. I don't have that footage because we couldn't figure out how to get it off of his computer while I was there. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: hero was fluxes footage On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hi Katie, Thanks so much! And Abe, if you are reading this - you can just email me at prudencekatze@gmail.com if you want to fill me in about the details for today if they are applicable to tomorrow (Thursday). in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY)
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts - live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift
8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
So, Katie will that work for you? Will you be able to get that footage? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: its on the desktop of the pink streaming laptop On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: I remember that. I don't have that footage because we couldn't figure out how to get it off of his computer while I was there. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: hero was fluxes footage On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts - live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos
Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
Also, last thing - can all twitters please NOT mention when we are out of gas and need a donation? I feel like we need to be more discrete about that. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: So, Katie will that work for you? Will you be able to get that footage? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: its on the desktop of the pink streaming laptop On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: I remember that. I don't have that footage because we couldn't figure out how to get it off of his computer while I was there. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: hero was fluxes footage On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Prudence What ever happened to that piece that was being cut from my footage and aquired footage of Hero getting beat by the cops? He needs any existing footage for his lawyers.
Please let me know asap. Thanks Katie
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed
Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
ok very cool. as first thing have them make a livestream account. for people with phones etc have them download qik and see if they can sream to their channel. send us account names so we can make them camera people or editors etc. we will also need their emaisl to put them on globaltv google groups and send them irc chat instructions.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Yes - got it! Thanks so much. Also Vlad - the LA GA met last night, approx 70 people were there. They're planning their march for Saturday and want to somehow connect with Live Stream. A bunch of my production/tech savvy friends are there - can we discuss later what they would need to set a Live Stream up? Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bncck63l9cserdpo430bboe7iv0hg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-ww0-f59.google.com [74.125.82.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:57:17 -0400
So, Katie will that work for you? Will you be able to get that footage? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: its on the desktop of the pink streaming laptop On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: I remember that. I don't have that footage because we couldn't figure out how to get it off of his computer while I was there. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: hero was fluxes footage On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days
ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage
Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
How was the meeting? Are there any minutes for it? Also, I'm sorry that I keep repeating myself, but I want to let everyone know that I am going to be at the media center for a shift starting either 8AM or 10AM. Tomorrow looks like a lot of rain, so please let me know if ya'll have any specific rain plans or if I should know anything in
advance of coming. Either way, I'm prepared to do a long shift and make sure everything stay dry! Also, is there a schedule for shifts? Or should I spearhead starting that while I am there tomorrow? in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On 27 sep, 01:53, nikky schiller wrote: > we will meet you there > all the best > viva la revolucin
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of katiedavison@rogueproduction.com globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; jilh@sourcepictures.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: assembly 8pm at one liberty plaza by tomorrow tusday Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:07:21 PM
For now email contact in LA will be: Jil Hardin Jilh@sourcepictures.com

Connected by a corporate tax dodger - aka Verizon Wireless. We pay-shouldn't they?
-----Original message----From: Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> To: globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 17:21:30 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: assembly 8pm at one liberty plaza by tomorrow tusday
ok very cool. as first thing have them make a livestream account. for people with phones etc have them download qik and see if they can sream to their channel. send us account names so we can make them camera people or editors etc. we will also need their emaisl to put them on globaltv google groups and send them irc chat instructions.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Yes - got it! Thanks so much. Also Vlad - the LA GA met last night, approx 70 people were there. They're planning their march for Saturday and want to somehow connect with Live Stream. A bunch of my production/tech savvy friends are there - can we discuss later what they would need to set a Live Stream up? Return-Path: <globalrevolutionmedia+bncck63l9cserdpo430bboe7iv0hg@googlegroups.com> Received: from mail-ww0-f59.google.com [74.125.82.59] by mail35.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:57:17 -0400
So, Katie will that work for you? Will you be able to get that footage? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: its on the desktop of the pink streaming laptop
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: I remember that. I don't have that footage because we couldn't figure out how to get it off of his computer while I was there. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: hero was fluxes footage On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Katie, Sorry, can you please tell me which one Hero is? I can be bad with names! This is the footage with the flag? If so you can find this link here: http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertyPlazaRev#p/u/5/5rbXfelyIoM . I have not had a chance to get to the other clips, but I asked someone two days ago (I think it was Vlad?) if they had footage and was told that they did. If not, I will be in Manhattan around 4 (at work right now) and can drop off the footage for you, the lawyers, or whoever needs it. Just let me know. in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hi Katie, Thanks so much! And Abe, if you are reading this - you can just email me at prudencekatze@gmail.com if you want to fill me in about the details for today if they are applicable to tomorrow (Thursday).
in solidarity, Prudence 901.237.1551 (TEXTS ONLY) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Katie Davison <katiedavison@rogueproduction.com> wrote:
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts - live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to
Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Prudence Katze globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] Re: assembly 8pm at one liberty plaza by tomorrow tusday Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:50:52 AM
Hey Prudence Notes from the media meeting below. We're going to be setting up a white board schedule for production and post production - maybe we can set up a general spread sheet for all shifts - live stream and "security" as well? There's a guy named Abe that should be there this morning - if you talk to him, he can fill you in on the rest of the details from the meeting. I'll be in this evening around 5. Have a great day. Katie MEDIA MEETING AGENDA No food or drinks inside the media station Send all the information and centralize in one spot Teams: Producers, production and post-production with a team leader for each group Need to create producers committee: Tim , Andrew, Craig, Sharon, Abe. OWS Media ID's needed What are we covering? Assign Shifts to media members Power and storage Integrate media in GA Video for security needed Organizing committee, Drew will be in charged of committee We need to use all the cameras and assign them objectives and shoots We need to bring all the media info to one spot and have 1 direct line Print media, blogs, editing, audio and visual need to have own teams reporting to Media center Need more democracy oriented reports Center all the info in one website using different domains Every media assembly needs to be documented for uploading to website NYCGA is willing to empower somebody to upload all this info in to website Keep a data base of submissions One camera is needed at every work group Live stream, prosperity context and daily news Security shifts needed Create 60 second petition videos Live stream needs own work station Need charging station outside of the media center Producers responsibilities: content management, dealing with public, finance, equipment Producers team need to keep public out and disseminate, make sure shooters are prepping the Different events. Producers will also be in charged of logistics and assigning coverage teams Back-up server at a secure location
Option of having a mobile unit Daily press release needed for MSM Social media needs a reliable source of information to confirm reports before posting Libertyplazarev password: unityequality4 - Youtube channel for uploading videos Need a media whiteboard for writing info about available media resources Crow Tag aggregates RSS via tag Droople video uploading Need 1 person holding all passwords and accounts Need a main account or channel to dump all the videos in to Need to get police badge numbers during the shooter assignments Forward the raw footage to legal team for investigation purposes Craig will be in charge of media's team power and storage Security: need to record police badges, faces, dates, times, location for evidence in the future Mac will be in charge of media station security, needs people with security background to help, 2 shifts needed Signage sheet needed for assigning shifts, each team needs to have at least 1 person per shift 8-12, 12-4, 4-8, 8-12 media shifts Drivers and production base camp needed West Broadway and Canal for possible base camp
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Prudence Katze globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] video of police taking down tarp @ media center today Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:47:27 PM
fuck On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: http://bit.ly/nFhGxY
globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com on behalf of Messiah Rhodes globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: [GlobalRevolutionMedia] video of police taking down tarp @ media center today Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:59:44 PM
Get the view count up. Could be raining for the next two days. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Prudence Katze <prudencekatze@gmail.com> wrote: fuck On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Vlad T <vlad@glassbeadcollective.org> wrote: http://bit.ly/nFhGxY
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Monday, September 26, 2011 7:10:22 PM
I'm not sure this is a good idea, but it is creative. We do need to know who is doing it, where the money is going, and why the prices so high.
On 09/26/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com
>> *Subject:* *fundraising* >> >> Justin,

>> >> My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening >> regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at >> <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
<http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your time and stay strong. -GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sahar Vahidi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:57:49 PM
All of the details can be worked out. I was thinking if the shirt is sold online, he can ship it from his office. If the shirts are sold at liberty, then i guess we could do something about that too. The price can be anything. What does the GA want to make as a profit? Or is this about outreach and less about profit? On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > ok-- how much would he charge per shirt? that is really the issue and could he take care of shipping? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > > My father would purchase the shirts from American Apparel. Their offices are like down the street from where he is. (He was figuring some like this .... http://www.americanapparel.net/newsletter/wholesaleUS110906.html) The printing would be done locally. All workers are paid above "min wage". > But it also sounds like Grim also has a solution for you guys.... > So whatever you guys decide..... > I'm just offering because my father offered. > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay I am working on this-> > I have a small printer in TN who has already pitched that they will print and ship for $8 a shirt- we just have to send them artwork, weekly orders, and $$ they run the website: http://realpunkradio.com > > I am waiting on information from a wholesaler who can get us american apparel shirts for $3-$5 a shirt-- still waiting on that. > > I would like to suggest strongly that this be considered as the way to go about this. Heather and Jason (the couple in TN) are as 99% as it gets-- on SSI-- two kids they can barely feed, no health insurance. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > > I hope there are no objections to that. but...does he make them? himself? where does the cloth come from? If anyone helps him to make them, what does he pay them? where do the plain shirts come from? these are things that need to be answered before all will agree to this. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:03 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>
wrote: > > Amazing. > > JAM > > On Sep 28, 2011 7:02 PM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> My father, located in Los Angeles, is offering to produce the t-shirts. They >> will be made in the USA. And how the money is managed, etc, can all be >> decided by the GA. So here's my official offer to go away from a major corp >> like Cafe Press. >> >> My father owns his own business. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> *thumbs up* >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I need to pitch the whole project... of course it will go to the square >>>> when I have all the pieces, prolly tomorrow. >>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:29 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > not to sound uncool, but what about if all the people currently IN the >>>> > square "voted" on it. >>>> > *ducks* >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Well people are profiting off the ows brand currently and I thought it >>>> >> would be better for people who want to be identified as su
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:19:52 AM
Yeah-- the problem is though that there is no contact info on this particular cafe press store- and no proof that the $$ is being donated to OWS/USDOR/or anywhere---so they may be profiting off the movement.... without contributing to the movement, unless you are resigned to the fact that at least branding is out there to raise awareness, it is a trade off...
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:04 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much, even if it means less money for us. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance team. if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll give her the goahead today and send everyone our written agreement. -justin On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > >
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab
>> ~ >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>> >> <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> >> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change >> >> This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY >> and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have >> designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from >> cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the >> occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something >> that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of >> the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your >> time and stay strong. >> >> ->> GO HIPPOS!!! >> >> Kristen Harrington
>> 510-857-6028 >> <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:09:09 AM
So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance team. if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll give her the goahead today and send everyone our written agreement. -justin On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab
>> ~ >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com: <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your time and stay strong. -GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:07:54 AM
I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much, even if it means less money for us. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance team. if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll give her the goahead today and send everyone our written agreement. -justin On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org
>> >> >> >> >>
Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab
>> ~ >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> KY >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com: <http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your time and stay strong. -GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:22:59 AM
errghh-- there is no contact information on the cafe press store--On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: Don't know who is behind it or what their intentions are, but cafepress is notorious for its high minimum prices (and not-super margins for people who are not them). Don't know if there is anything better, though. --glj On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:10 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On 09/26/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of L. W. Wind september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:59:36 PM
I would like to suggest pay what you can PWYC often brings in more money rather then less, with the added plus of everyone being able to buy it. you could sell online with a sett price and sell in the park by PAYC (which is different then by donation which rarely meets cost) On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: Are you at liberty? I just got here, just got off work. Wanna talk about it in peraon? My number is 212 920 1762 On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > He could do hundreds of thousands. No prob. > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> umm-- this is going to be big when it hits the web--- how many shirts is he prepared to buy? I was thinking about getting 500 @4 each or 1K at $3 each ... and this will continue to go on-- he is expecting to be paid back with sales, yes? and he doesn't want to make any profit on it at all? >> >> I am thinking that this is an ongoing revenue stream to feed the needs of the movement, not a one off thing. >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> All of the details can be worked out. I was thinking if the shirt is sold online, he can ship it from his office. If the shirts are sold at liberty, then i guess we could do something about that too. >> >> The price can be anything. What does the GA want to make as a profit? Or is this about outreach and less about profit? >> >> On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> ok-- how much would he charge per shirt? that is really the issue and could he take care of shipping? >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> My father would purchase the shirts from American Apparel. Their offices are like down the street from where he is. (He was figuring some like this .... http://www.americanapparel.net/newsletter/wholesaleUS110906.html) The printing would be done locally. All workers are paid above "min wage". >>> But it also sounds like Grim also has a solution for you guys.... >>> So whatever you guys decide..... >>> I'm just offering because my father offered.
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Okay I am working on this->>> >>> I have a small printer in TN who has already pitched that they will print and ship for $8 a shirt- we just have to send them artwork, weekly orders, and $$ they run the website: http://realpunkradio.com >>> >>> I am waiting on information from a wholesaler who can get us american apparel shirts for $3-$5 a shirt-- still waiting on that. >>> >>> I would like to suggest strongly that this be considered as the way to go about this. Heather and Jason (the couple in TN) are as 99% as it gets-- on SSI-two kids they can barely feed, no health insurance. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I hope there are no objections to that. but...does he make them? himself? where does the cloth come from? If anyone helps him to make them, what does he pay them? where do the plain shirts come from? these are things that need to be answered before all will agree to this. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:03 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Amazing. >>> >>> JAM >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011 7:02 PM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hey All, >>>> >>>> My father, located in Los Angeles, is offering to produce the t-shirts. They >>>> will be made in the USA. And how the money is managed, etc, can all be >>>> decided by the GA. So here's my official offer to go away from a major corp >>>> like Cafe Press. >>>> >>>> My father owns his own business. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *thumbs up* >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <
--Ms. Wind
Are you at liberty? I just got here, just got off work. Wanna talk about it in peraon? My number is 212 920 1762 On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > He could do hundreds of thousands. No prob. > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> umm-- this is going to be big when it hits the web--- how many shirts is he prepared to buy? I was thinking about getting 500 @4 each or 1K at $3 each ... and this will continue to go on-- he is expecting to be paid back with sales, yes? and he doesn't want to make any profit on it at all? >> >> I am thinking that this is an ongoing revenue stream to feed the needs of the movement, not a one off thing. >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> All of the details can be worked out. I was thinking if the shirt is sold online, he can ship it from his office. If the shirts are sold at liberty, then i guess we could do something about that too. >> >> The price can be anything. What does the GA want to make as a profit? Or is this about outreach and less about profit? >> >> On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> ok-- how much would he charge per shirt? that is really the issue and could he take care of shipping? >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> My father would purchase the shirts from American Apparel. Their offices are like down the street from where he is. (He was figuring some like this .... http://www.americanapparel.net/newsletter/wholesaleUS110906.html) The printing would be done locally. All workers are paid above "min wage". >>> But it also sounds like Grim also has a solution for you guys.... >>> So whatever you guys decide..... >>> I'm just offering because my father offered. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Okay I am working on this->>> >>> I have a small printer in TN who has already pitched that they will print and ship for $8 a shirt- we just have to send them artwork, weekly orders, and $$ they run the website: http://realpunkradio.com >>> >>> I am waiting on information from a wholesaler who can get us american apparel shirts for $3-$5 a shirt-- still waiting on that. >>> >>> I would like to suggest strongly that this be considered as the way to go about this. Heather and Jason (the couple in TN) are as 99% as it gets-- on SSI-- two kids they can barely feed, no health insurance. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I hope there are no objections to that. but...does he make them? himself? where does the cloth come from? If anyone helps him to make them, what does he pay them? where do the plain shirts come from? these are things that need to be answered before all will agree to this. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:03 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Amazing. >>> >>> JAM >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2011 7:02 PM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hey All, >>>> >>>> My father, located in Los Angeles, is offering to produce the t-shirts. They >>>> will be made in the USA. And how the money is managed, etc, can all be >>>> decided by the GA. So here's my official offer to go away from a major corp >>>> like Cafe Press. >>>> >>>> My father owns his own business. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *thumbs up* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <
He could do hundreds of thousands. No prob. On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > umm-- this is going to be big when it hits the web--- how many shirts is he prepared to buy? I was thinking about getting 500 @4 each or 1K at $3 each ... and this will continue to go on-- he is expecting to be paid back with sales, yes? and he doesn't want to make any profit on it at all? > > I am thinking that this is an ongoing revenue stream to feed the needs of the movement, not a one off thing. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > > All of the details can be worked out. I was thinking if the shirt is sold online, he can ship it from his office. If the shirts are sold at liberty, then i guess we could do something about that too. > > The price can be anything. What does the GA want to make as a profit? Or is this about outreach and less about profit? > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> ok-- how much would he charge per shirt? that is really the issue and could he take care of shipping? >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> My father would purchase the shirts from American Apparel. Their offices are like down the street from where he is. (He was figuring some like this .... http://www.americanapparel.net/newsletter/wholesaleUS110906.html) The printing would be done locally. All workers are paid above "min wage". >> But it also sounds like Grim also has a solution for you guys.... >> So whatever you guys decide..... >> I'm just offering because my father offered. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Okay I am working on this->> >> I have a small printer in TN who has already pitched that they will print and ship for $8 a shirt- we just have to send them artwork, weekly orders, and $$ they run the website: http://realpunkradio.com
>> >> I am waiting on information from a wholesaler who can get us american apparel shirts for $3-$5 a shirt-- still waiting on that. >> >> I would like to suggest strongly that this be considered as the way to go about this. Heather and Jason (the couple in TN) are as 99% as it gets-- on SSI-- two kids they can barely feed, no health insurance. >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I hope there are no objections to that. but...does he make them? himself? where does the cloth come from? If anyone helps him to make them, what does he pay them? where do the plain shirts come from? these are things that need to be answered before all will agree to this. >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:03 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Amazing. >> >> JAM >> >> On Sep 28, 2011 7:02 PM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hey All, >>> >>> My father, located in Los Angeles, is offering to produce the t-shirts. They >>> will be made in the USA. And how the money is managed, etc, can all be >>> decided by the GA. So here's my official offer to go away from a major corp >>> like Cafe Press. >>> >>> My father owns his own business. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> *thumbs up* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I need to pitch the whole project... of course it will go to the square >>>>> when I have all the pieces, prolly tomorrow. >>>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:29 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > not to sound uncool, but what about if all the people currently IN the >>>>> > square "voted" on it. >>>>> > *ducks* >>>>> > >>>>>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:00:39 PM
umm-- this is going to be big when it hits the web--- how many shirts is he prepared to buy? I was thinking about getting 500 @4 each or 1K at $3 each ... and this will continue to go on-- he is expecting to be paid back with sales, yes? and he doesn't want to make any profit on it at all? I am thinking that this is an ongoing revenue stream to feed the needs of the movement, not a one off thing. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: All of the details can be worked out. I was thinking if the shirt is sold online, he can ship it from his office. If the shirts are sold at liberty, then i guess we could do something about that too. The price can be anything. What does the GA want to make as a profit? Or is this about outreach and less about profit? On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > ok-- how much would he charge per shirt? that is really the issue and could he take care of shipping? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Sahar Vahidi <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > > My father would purchase the shirts from American Apparel. Their offices are like down the street from where he is. (He was figuring some like this .... http://www.americanapparel.net/newsletter/wholesaleUS110906.html) The printing would be done locally. All workers are paid above "min wage". > But it also sounds like Grim also has a solution for you guys.... > So whatever you guys decide..... > I'm just offering because my father offered. > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:15 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay I am working on this-> > I have a small printer in TN who has already pitched that they will print and ship for $8 a shirt- we just have to send them artwork, weekly orders, and $$ they run the website: http://realpunkradio.com > > I am waiting on information from a wholesaler who can get us american apparel shirts for $3-$5 a shirt-- still waiting on that. >
> I would like to suggest strongly that this be considered as the way to go about this. Heather and Jason (the couple in TN) are as 99% as it gets-- on SSI-- two kids they can barely feed, no health insurance. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:08 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > > I hope there are no objections to that. but...does he make them? himself? where does the cloth come from? If anyone helps him to make them, what does he pay them? where do the plain shirts come from? these are things that need to be answered before all will agree to this. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:03 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: > > Amazing. > > JAM > > On Sep 28, 2011 7:02 PM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> My father, located in Los Angeles, is offering to produce the t-shirts. They >> will be made in the USA. And how the money is managed, etc, can all be >> decided by the GA. So here's my official offer to go away from a major corp >> like Cafe Press. >> >> My father owns his own business. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> *thumbs up* >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I need to pitch the whole project... of course it will go to the square >>>> when I have all the pieces, prolly tomorrow. >>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:29 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > not to sound uncool, but what about if all the people currently IN the >>>> > square "voted" on it. >>>> > *ducks* >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Well people are profiting off the ows brand currently and I thought it >>>> >> would be better for people who want to be identified as su
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Monday, September 26, 2011 7:49:20 PM
Don't know who is behind it or what their intentions are, but cafepress is notorious for its high minimum prices (and not-super margins for people who are not them). Don't know if there is anything better, though. --glj On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:10 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On 09/26/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab
>> ~ >> >> Begin forwarded message:
>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Stephen Benavides september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [official] Principles of Solidarity Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:10:37 PM
Under subpoint "7": This change is suggested: "The belief that education is a human right, not a privilege" Under subpoint "4" referencing opposition to all forms of oppression: Only the complete destruction of the state, in all forms of capitalism and State Socialism or any other form of bureaucratic government (Trots and Stalinist, etc) would assure this. Im not sure if the NYGA understands the scope of this statement, with all of its implications. Maybe Im wrong..
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On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone as you may know the GA agreed on working draft of the Principles of Solidarity. A google doc is available for comment
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Monday, September 26, 2011 9:19:59 PM
Why not produce a training video? Quick and dirty, and a good way to communicate the 'personal style' I'd be happy to help Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: Marisa, David Graeber and myself conducted the facilitator training here. This should be brought up in the facilitation group, but in reality its a hard thing to teach through a text. This really goes around personal style as well as the people who are involved, and is something that normally takes a bit of practice. A better way may be to query questions from them, and then we can answer them. Also if there is a phone number, personal phone calls may be helpful. Just thoughts... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Drew H <drew@nycga.net> wrote: nycga.net needs instructions on how to facilitate General Assemblies. #GeneralAssemblyATL is asking for a guide, we need to put together a text guide, a hand out, and a video. I can help design this stuff if someone can get me the information! Thank you so much, Drew
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Monday, September 26, 2011 9:56:09 PM
Take the square has a text that is exactly that, a facilitation guide, perhaps you have seen it already: http://takethesquare.net/2011/07/31/quick-guide-on-groupdynamics-in-peoples-assemblies/ On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Joshua van Praag wrote: Why not produce a training video? Quick and dirty, and a good way to communicate the 'personal style' I'd be happy to help Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: Marisa, David Graeber and myself conducted the facilitator training here. This should be brought up in the facilitation group, but in reality its a hard thing to teach through a text. This really goes around personal style as well as the people who are involved, and is something that normally takes a bit of practice. A better way may be to query questions from them, and then we can answer them. Also if there is a phone number, personal phone calls may be helpful. Just thoughts... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Drew H <drew@nycga.net> wrote: nycga.net needs instructions on how to facilitate General Assemblies. #GeneralAssemblyATL is asking for a guide, we need to put together a text guide, a hand out, and a video. I can help design this stuff if someone can get me the information! Thank you so much, Drew
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Monday, September 26, 2011 9:57:41 PM
I will be on site tomorrow... We can talk then. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Why not produce a training video? Quick and dirty, and a good way to communicate the 'personal style' I'd be happy to help Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: Marisa, David Graeber and myself conducted the facilitator training here. This should be brought up in the facilitation group, but in reality its a hard thing to teach through a text. This really goes around personal style as well as the people who are involved, and is something that normally takes a bit of practice. A better way may be to query questions from them, and then we can answer them. Also if there is a phone number, personal phone calls may be helpful. Just thoughts... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Drew H <drew@nycga.net> wrote: nycga.net needs instructions on how to facilitate General Assemblies. #GeneralAssemblyATL is asking for a guide, we need to put together a text guide, a hand out, and a video. I can help design this stuff if someone can get me the information! Thank you so much, Drew
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:00:11 AM
@joshua can you make it to Internet group meeting 5pm on tuesday? I would like to discuss this. I will also try and bring it up with facilitation. Thanks everyone
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:51:22 AM
I second the need for a video on facilitation, and I'd be happy to help with it. Marisa On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > Drew > > Am shooting on a job through Weds night but am planning to be back down in Zuccotti to shoot on Thursday. Would be happy to meet then otherwise I am reachable by phone or you can find me here :-) > > Joshua van Praag > jvanpraag@me.com > > +1.347.445.8315 > +44.(0)7787.896952 > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> @joshua can you make it to Internet group meeting 5pm on tuesday? I would like to discuss this. I will also try and bring it up with facilitation. >> >> Thanks everyone >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:15:10 AM
Drew Am shooting on a job through Weds night but am planning to be back down in Zuccotti to shoot on Thursday. Would be happy to meet then otherwise I am reachable by phone or you can find me here :-) Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > @joshua can you make it to Internet group meeting 5pm on tuesday? I would like to discuss this. I will also try and bring it up with facilitation. > > Thanks everyone
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:02:13 PM
sounds good, I will speak with facilitation today. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Great, we're assembling a crew! Perhaps we can continue planning over email, meet Thursday and plan to shoot Friday?
Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: > I second the need for a video on facilitation, > and I'd be happy to help with it. > > Marisa > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: >> Drew >> >> Am shooting on a job through Weds night but am planning to be back down in Zuccotti to shoot on Thursday. Would be happy to meet then otherwise I am reachable by phone or you can find me here :-) >> >> Joshua van Praag >> jvanpraag@me.com >> >> +1.347.445.8315 >> +44.(0)7787.896952 >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> @joshua can you make it to Internet group meeting 5pm on tuesday? I would like to discuss this. I will also try and bring it up with facilitation. >>> >>> Thanks everyone >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [URGENT NEED] Facilitation guide! Monday, September 26, 2011 9:10:32 PM
Marisa, David Graeber and myself conducted the facilitator training here. This should be brought up in the facilitation group, but in reality its a hard thing to teach through a text. This really goes around personal style as well as the people who are involved, and is something that normally takes a bit of practice. A better way may be to query questions from them, and then we can answer them. Also if there is a phone number, personal phone calls may be helpful. Just thoughts... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Drew H <drew@nycga.net> wrote: nycga.net needs instructions on how to facilitate General Assemblies. #GeneralAssemblyATL is asking for a guide, we need to put together a text guide, a hand out, and a video. I can help design this stuff if someone can get me the information! Thank you so much, Drew
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:46:59 AM
GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Yay! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in all kinds of ways. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: YEA!!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > AWESOME!!!!!!! > > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the > upper east side. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:32:24 AM
Yay! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in all kinds of ways. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: YEA!!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > AWESOME!!!!!!! > > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the > upper east side. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:28:34 AM
GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in all kinds of ways. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: YEA!!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > AWESOME!!!!!!! > > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the > upper east side. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:26:10 AM
YEA!!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > AWESOME!!!!!!! > > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the > upper east side. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:24:57 AM
AWESOME!!!!!!! March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the upper east side. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning everybody. 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of right now.
Onward! -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:01:49 PM
That's fantastic news about SEIU, although WorldNetDaily told me that they (and ACORN and Obama) were behind this whole occupation in the first place. I don't know who to believe... http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334433 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We are! but just so you know: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Yay! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in all kinds of ways. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: YEA!!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > AWESOME!!!!!!! > > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the > upper east side. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:05:21 PM
Oh who cares who is behind it, if it leads to even 25% of what we want to change it isin the interest of the people. On Sep 27, 2011 11:59 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > That's fantastic news about SEIU, although WorldNetDaily told me that they > (and ACORN and Obama) were behind this whole occupation in the first place. > I don't know who to believe... > > http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334433 > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We are! but just so you know: >> http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29< http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29 > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >>> GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Yay! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in >>>> all kinds of ways. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> YEA!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > AWESOME!!!!!!! >>>>> > >>>>> > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through >>>>> the >>>>> > upper east side. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson < >>>>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Good morning everybody. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >>>>> >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it >>>>> could do to >>>>> >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial >>>>> as of >>>>> >> right now. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Onward! >>>>> >> ->>>>> >> J.A. Myerson >>>>> >> http://www.jamyerson.com >>>>> >> 347.688.0241 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:12:52 PM
Sounds amazing! I think we need to create some sort of flyer or info. sheet that ties our struggle in OWS to the labor struggle. Some more outreach like that in order to inform them on what has been going on and what goals we have established. I will be trying to formulate something like that if anyone is interested contact me On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Oh who cares who is behind it, if it leads to even 25% of what we want to change it isin the interest of the people. On Sep 27, 2011 11:59 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > That's fantastic news about SEIU, although WorldNetDaily told me that they > (and ACORN and Obama) were behind this whole occupation in the first place. > I don't know who to believe... > > http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334433 > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We are! but just so you know: >> http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29< http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29 > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >>> GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Yay! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in >>>> all kinds of ways. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> YEA!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > AWESOME!!!!!!! >>>>> > >>>>> > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through >>>>> the >>>>> > upper east side. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson < >>>>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Good morning everybody. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >>>>> >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it >>>>> could do to >>>>> >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial >>>>> as of >>>>> >> right now. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Onward! >>>>> >> ->>>>> >> J.A. Myerson >>>>> >> http://www.jamyerson.com >>>>> >> 347.688.0241 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:12:34 PM
yeah sounds good is it at liberty plaza? On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Yes Lucas, we needed something at the postal rally todaywhy Occupy Wall Street supports labor and why labor should support Occupy Wall Street. Talk to me. See you at the Labor Working group Wed at 6?
Jackie
Sounds amazing! I think we need to create some sort of flyer or info. sheet that ties our struggle in OWS to the labor struggle. Some more outreach like that in order to inform them on what has been going on and what goals we have established. I will be trying to formulate something like that if anyone is interested contact me On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Oh who cares who is behind it, if it leads to even 25% of what we want to change it isin the interest of the people. On Sep 27, 2011 11:59 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > That's fantastic news about SEIU, although WorldNetDaily told me that they > (and ACORN and Obama) were behind this whole occupation in the first place. > I don't know who to believe... > > http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334433 > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We are! but just so you know: >> http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29< http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29 > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >>> GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Yay! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in >>>> all kinds of ways. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> YEA!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > AWESOME!!!!!!! >>>>> > >>>>> > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through >>>>> the >>>>> > upper east side. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson < >>>>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:51:41 AM
We are! but just so you know: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Yay! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in all kinds of ways. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: YEA!!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > AWESOME!!!!!!! > > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the > upper east side. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:51:32 PM
Yes Lucas, we needed something at the postal rally todaywhy Occupy Wall Street supports labor and why labor should support Occupy Wall Street. Talk to me. See you at the Labor Working group Wed at 6? Jackie
Sounds amazing! I think we need to create some sort of flyer or info. sheet that ties our struggle in OWS to the labor struggle. Some more outreach like that in order to inform them on what has been going on and what goals we have established. I will be trying to formulate something like that if anyone is interested contact me On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Oh who cares who is behind it, if it leads to even 25% of what we want to change it isin the interest of the people. On Sep 27, 2011 11:59 AM, "Matthew Presto" <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > That's fantastic news about SEIU, although WorldNetDaily told me that they > (and ACORN and Obama) were behind this whole occupation in the first place. > I don't know who to believe... > > http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334433 > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We are! but just so you know: >> http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29< http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29 > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >>> GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Yay! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in >>>> all kinds of ways. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> YEA!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > AWESOME!!!!!!! >>>>> > >>>>> > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through >>>>> the >>>>> > upper east side. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson < >>>>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Good morning everybody. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >>>>> >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it >>>>> could do to >>>>> >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial >>>>> as of
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > right now. Onward! -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cesar september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A deadline Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:20:15 AM
+ Sent from phone
On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:13 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Seconded On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Should the GA let it be known to the public that we plan to have a statement by Friday? It will put pressure on us, but it will could also create a good buzz and encourage the world to keep it's attention on us for a bit longer. Solidarity, Jon
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A deadline Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:13:16 AM
Seconded On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Should the GA let it be known to the public that we plan to have a statement by Friday? It will put pressure on us, but it will could also create a good buzz and encourage the world to keep it's attention on us for a bit longer. Solidarity, Jon
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A deadline Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11:45 AM
nah, it doesn't make sense to put pressure on ourselves. You have always to announce things that put pressure on the counterpart, not on yourself. On 9/27/11 9:20 AM, Cesar wrote: + Sent from phone
On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:13 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Seconded On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Should the GA let it be known to the public that we plan to have a statement by Friday? It will put pressure on us, but it will could also create a good buzz and encourage the world to keep it's attention on us for a bit longer. Solidarity, Jon
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Argentina President Slams IMF as Idiotic Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:26:06 PM
Eh? asi que tenemos algunos pinguinos en el grupo? hmmm. fijense, la politica de denuncia del FMI en Argentina tambien funciona de cortina de humo, una manera de distraer al pueblo de las muchas medidas neoliberales que siguen vigentes. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > Aguante Kristina! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:51 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Argentine President Slams IMF Murderous "Idiocy and Stubborness" >> >> >> >> Sept. 27 (LPAC)--Speaking in Mendoza province Sept. 26, Argentine >> >> President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner scathingly attacked the >> >> insanity of the IMF's austerity policies, now being forced on >> >> Europe, as well as the arrogance of IMF Managing Director >> >> Christine Lagarde, who announced last week that the Fund would >> >> not use data from INDEC, Argentina's official statistical agency, >> >> to assess the country's GDP and inflation rate, because the data >> >> was too "unreliable." Instead, Lagarde said, the Fund would get >> >> better data from "private consultants." >> >> Not only did the IMF cause Argentina's 2001 crisis and >> >> default, Fernandez charged. Today, "in the midst of the most >> >> calamitous failure in recent memory...those directly responsible >> >> for Argentina's 2001 failure, and today's in Europe and the >> >> United States, are still trying to force the world to swallow the >> >> same medicine they gave us for a decade in order to ruin us! Such >> >> idiocy, such stubborness is inconceivable. How can they say that >> >> an economy will be reactivated and grow through austerity? This >> >> makes no sense!" >> >> So the IMF is going to determine what's "reliable" in >>
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Argentina? Let it be known, Fernandez said, that our "economic policy decisions are made here in the Casa Rosada [Presidential Palace] and in the national Congress, here within {our} national institutions"--not in private consultancies or dictated by foreign financial agencies. In the 1980s and 1990s, the President recalled, Argentina's Congress bent over backwards to implement foreign dictates, "and the world still came crashing down; Argentina still came crashing down on us. So, with some mistakes, with some successes, we've learned that we, the Argentines, will determine our present, and above all, our and our children's future." Fernandez was in Mendoza to inaugurate the expansion of the electricity grid, and in doing so, recalled that her late husband President Nestor Kirchner loved building infrastructure "because he maintained that this was progress." When you bring energy and electricity to regions that didn't have it, "you bring equality, sovereignty and federalism to places that had been ignored historically," the President emphasized. She recalled Nestor's first speech to the UN General Assembly in which he said that Argentina must be allowed to grow, because he didn't know of any dead people who could pay their debts. That, Fernandez said, "was a visionary metaphor for what's happening in the world today." The Argentine President underscored that everything she and her husband have done has been aimed at "liberating" the Argentine people, but more particularly youth, leaving them "a better country...liberating them from misery, from failure, from frustration and from poverty....We are rebuilding that Argentina which had been wrenched from us and which we have recovered, not for ourselves, but for our young people, for our children and grandchildren, so they don't have to live through what we have
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had to live through."[crr] -Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Argentina President Slams IMF as Idiotic Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:24:30 PM
On Argentina. I wrote/edited a book, after living in Argentina post crisis, interviewing people in the various movements, called: Horizontalism: Voices of Popular Power in Argentina (AK Press 2006). It is based in people's testimonies of their experiences of horizontalidad, autonomy, autogestion (self management) and popular power. Lots of lessons for us here - as well as inspiration. I will be sharing some thoughts on the Argentine experience on Thursday at 11am in the Plaza. Feel free to let whoever is interested know. In Solidarity, Marina On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > Aguante Kristina! > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:51 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Argentine President Slams IMF Murderous "Idiocy and Stubborness" >> >> >> >> Sept. 27 (LPAC)--Speaking in Mendoza province Sept. 26, Argentine >> >> President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner scathingly attacked the >> >> insanity of the IMF's austerity policies, now being forced on >> >> Europe, as well as the arrogance of IMF Managing Director >> >> Christine Lagarde, who announced last week that the Fund would >> >> not use data from INDEC, Argentina's official statistical agency, >> >> to assess the country's GDP and inflation rate, because the data >> >> was too "unreliable." Instead, Lagarde said, the Fund would get >> >> better data from "private consultants." >> >> Not only did the IMF cause Argentina's 2001 crisis and >> >> default, Fernandez charged. Today, "in the midst of the most >> >> calamitous failure in recent memory...those directly responsible >> >> for Argentina's 2001 failure, and today's in Europe and the >>
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United States, are still trying to force the world to swallow the same medicine they gave us for a decade in order to ruin us! Such idiocy, such stubborness is inconceivable. How can they say that an economy will be reactivated and grow through austerity? This makes no sense!" So the IMF is going to determine what's "reliable" in Argentina? Let it be known, Fernandez said, that our "economic policy decisions are made here in the Casa Rosada [Presidential Palace] and in the national Congress, here within {our} national institutions"--not in private consultancies or dictated by foreign financial agencies. In the 1980s and 1990s, the President recalled, Argentina's Congress bent over backwards to implement foreign dictates, "and the world still came crashing down; Argentina still came crashing down on us. So, with some mistakes, with some successes, we've learned that we, the Argentines, will determine our present, and above all, our and our children's future." Fernandez was in Mendoza to inaugurate the expansion of the electricity grid, and in doing so, recalled that her late husband President Nestor Kirchner loved building infrastructure "because he maintained that this was progress." When you bring energy and electricity to regions that didn't have it, "you bring equality, sovereignty and federalism to places that had been ignored historically," the President emphasized. She recalled Nestor's first speech to the UN General Assembly in which he said that Argentina must be allowed to grow, because he didn't know of any dead people who could pay their debts. That, Fernandez said, "was a visionary metaphor for what's happening in the world today." The Argentine President underscored that everything she and her husband have done has been aimed at "liberating" the
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Argentine people, but more particularly youth, leaving them "a better country...liberating them from misery, from failure, from frustration and from poverty....We are rebuilding that Argentina which had been wrenched from us and which we have recovered, not for ourselves, but for our young people, for our children and grandchildren, so they don't have to live through what we have had to live through."[crr] -Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731
-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
Hi Marina. I was involved in a popular social movement in buenos aires for two years. It would be fun to talk to you sometime! Will you be around most of thursday? Nico On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Argentina. > > I wrote/edited a book, after living in Argentina post crisis, > interviewing people in the various movements, called: Horizontalism: > Voices of Popular Power in Argentina (AK Press 2006). It is based in > people's testimonies of their experiences of horizontalidad, autonomy, > autogestion (self management) and popular power. Lots of lessons for > us here - as well as inspiration. > > I will be sharing some thoughts on the Argentine experience on > Thursday at 11am in the Plaza. > > Feel free to let whoever is interested know. > > In Solidarity, > Marina > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Lucas Vazquez > <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: >> Aguante Kristina! >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:51 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Argentine President Slams IMF Murderous "Idiocy and Stubborness" >>> >>> >>> >>> Sept. 27 (LPAC)--Speaking in Mendoza province Sept. 26, Argentine >>> >>> President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner scathingly attacked the >>> >>> insanity of the IMF's austerity policies, now being forced on >>> >>> Europe, as well as the arrogance of IMF Managing Director >>> >>> Christine Lagarde, who announced last week that the Fund would >>> >>> not use data from INDEC, Argentina's official statistical agency, >>> >>> to assess the country's GDP and inflation rate, because the data >>> >>> was too "unreliable." Instead, Lagarde said, the Fund would get >>> >>> better data from "private consultants." >>> >>> Not only did the IMF cause Argentina's 2001 crisis and
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default, Fernandez charged. Today, "in the midst of the most calamitous failure in recent memory...those directly responsible for Argentina's 2001 failure, and today's in Europe and the United States, are still trying to force the world to swallow the same medicine they gave us for a decade in order to ruin us! Such idiocy, such stubborness is inconceivable. How can they say that an economy will be reactivated and grow through austerity? This makes no sense!" So the IMF is going to determine what's "reliable" in Argentina? Let it be known, Fernandez said, that our "economic policy decisions are made here in the Casa Rosada [Presidential Palace] and in the national Congress, here within {our} national institutions"--not in private consultancies or dictated by foreign financial agencies. In the 1980s and 1990s, the President recalled, Argentina's Congress bent over backwards to implement foreign dictates, "and the world still came crashing down; Argentina still came crashing down on us. So, with some mistakes, with some successes, we've learned that we, the Argentines, will determine our present, and above all, our and our children's future." Fernandez was in Mendoza to inaugurate the expansion of the electricity grid, and in doing so, recalled that her late husband President Nestor Kirchner loved building infrastructure "because he maintained that this was progress." When you bring energy and electricity to regions that didn't have it, "you bring equality, sovereignty and federalism to places that had been ignored historically," the President emphasized. She recalled Nestor's first speech to the UN General Assembly in which he said that Argentina must be allowed to grow, because he didn't know of any dead people who could pay their debts. That, Fernandez said, "was
>>> >>> a visionary metaphor for what's happening in the world today." >>> >>> The Argentine President underscored that everything she and >>> >>> her husband have done has been aimed at "liberating" the >>> >>> Argentine people, but more particularly youth, leaving them "a >>> >>> better country...liberating them from misery, from failure, from >>> >>> frustration and from poverty....We are rebuilding that Argentina >>> >>> which had been wrenched from us and which we have recovered, not >>> >>> for ourselves, but for our young people, for our children and >>> >>> grandchildren, so they don't have to live through what we have >>> >>> had to live through."[crr] >>> >>> ->>> Diane Sare >>> cell: 201-220-7731 >> >> > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Argentina President Slams IMF as Idiotic Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:30:46 PM
obvio no soy ni cerca de ser pinguino chabon. Lo digo por esta instancia. En toda la historia de la presidencia de Kristina coincido con vos y no ha sido tan anti-neo liberal como dice K aveces. Tambien no hay duda que le roban la guita al pueblo. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Marina. I was involved in a popular social movement in buenos aires for two years. It would be fun to talk to you sometime! Will you be around most of thursday? Nico On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Argentina. > > I wrote/edited a book, after living in Argentina post crisis, > interviewing people in the various movements, called: Horizontalism: > Voices of Popular Power in Argentina (AK Press 2006). It is based in > people's testimonies of their experiences of horizontalidad, autonomy, > autogestion (self management) and popular power. Lots of lessons for > us here - as well as inspiration. > > I will be sharing some thoughts on the Argentine experience on > Thursday at 11am in the Plaza. > > Feel free to let whoever is interested know. > > In Solidarity, > Marina > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Lucas Vazquez > <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: >> Aguante Kristina! >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:51 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Argentine President Slams IMF Murderous "Idiocy and Stubborness" >>> >>> >>> >>> Sept. 27 (LPAC)--Speaking in Mendoza province Sept. 26, Argentine >>> >>> President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner scathingly attacked the >>> >>> insanity of the IMF's austerity policies, now being forced on >>> >>> Europe, as well as the arrogance of IMF Managing Director
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
Christine Lagarde, who announced last week that the Fund would not use data from INDEC, Argentina's official statistical agency, to assess the country's GDP and inflation rate, because the data was too "unreliable." Instead, Lagarde said, the Fund would get better data from "private consultants." Not only did the IMF cause Argentina's 2001 crisis and default, Fernandez charged. Today, "in the midst of the most calamitous failure in recent memory...those directly responsible for Argentina's 2001 failure, and today's in Europe and the United States, are still trying to force the world to swallow the same medicine they gave us for a decade in order to ruin us! Such idiocy, such stubborness is inconceivable. How can they say that an economy will be reactivated and grow through austerity? This makes no sense!" So the IMF is going to determine what's "reliable" in Argentina? Let it be known, Fernandez said, that our "economic policy decisions are made here in the Casa Rosada [Presidential Palace] and in the national Congress, here within {our} national institutions"--not in private consultancies or dictated by foreign financial agencies. In the 1980s and 1990s, the President recalled, Argentina's Congress bent over backwards to implement foreign dictates, "and the world still came crashing down; Argentina still came crashing down on us. So, with some mistakes, with some successes, we've learned that we, the Argentines, will determine our present, and above all, our and our children's future."
>>> Fernandez was in Mendoza to inaugurate the expansion of the >>> >>> electricity grid, and in doing so, recalled that her late husband >>> >>> President Nestor Kirchner loved building infrastructure "because >>> >>> he maintained that this was progress." When you bring energy and >>> >>> electricity to regions that didn't have it, "you bring equality, >>> >>> sovereignty and federalism to places that had been ignored >>> >>> historically," the President emphasized. She recalled Nestor's >>> >>> first speech to the UN General Assembly in which he said that >>> >>> Argentina must be allowed to grow, because he didn't know of any >>> >>> dead people who could pay their debts. That, Fernandez said, "was >>> >>> a visionary metaphor for what's happening in the world today." >>> >>> The Argentine President underscored that everything she and >>> >>> her husband have done has been aimed at "liberating" the >>> >>> Argentine people, but more particularly youth, leaving them "a >>> >>> better country...liberating them from misery, from failure, from >>> >>> frustration and from poverty....We are rebuilding that Argentina >>> >>> which had been wrenched from us and which we have recovered, not >>> >>> for ourselves, but for our young people, for our children and >>> >>> grandchildren, so they don't have to live through what we have >>> >>> had to live through."[crr] >>> >>> ->>> Diane Sare >>> cell: 201-220-7731 >> >> > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
sisi, perdoname. te estaba cargando... abrazos nico On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > obvio no soy ni cerca de ser pinguino chabon. Lo digo por esta instancia. En > toda la historia de la presidencia de Kristina coincido con vos y no ha sido > tan anti-neo liberal como dice K aveces. Tambien no hay duda que le roban la > guita al pueblo. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Marina. I was involved in a popular social movement in buenos aires >> for two years. It would be fun to talk to you sometime! Will you be >> around most of thursday? >> >> Nico >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > On Argentina. >> > >> > I wrote/edited a book, after living in Argentina post crisis, >> > interviewing people in the various movements, called: Horizontalism: >> > Voices of Popular Power in Argentina (AK Press 2006). It is based in >> > people's testimonies of their experiences of horizontalidad, autonomy, >> > autogestion (self management) and popular power. Lots of lessons for >> > us here - as well as inspiration. >> > >> > I will be sharing some thoughts on the Argentine experience on >> > Thursday at 11am in the Plaza. >> > >> > Feel free to let whoever is interested know. >> > >> > In Solidarity, >> > Marina >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Lucas Vazquez >> > <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Aguante Kristina! >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:51 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Argentine President Slams IMF Murderous "Idiocy and Stubborness" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sept. 27 (LPAC)--Speaking in Mendoza province Sept. 26, Argentine >> >>> >> >>> President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner scathingly attacked the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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insanity of the IMF's austerity policies, now being forced on Europe, as well as the arrogance of IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde, who announced last week that the Fund would not use data from INDEC, Argentina's official statistical agency, to assess the country's GDP and inflation rate, because the data was too "unreliable." Instead, Lagarde said, the Fund would get better data from "private consultants." Not only did the IMF cause Argentina's 2001 crisis and default, Fernandez charged. Today, "in the midst of the most calamitous failure in recent memory...those directly responsible for Argentina's 2001 failure, and today's in Europe and the United States, are still trying to force the world to swallow the same medicine they gave us for a decade in order to ruin us! Such idiocy, such stubborness is inconceivable. How can they say that an economy will be reactivated and grow through austerity? This makes no sense!" So the IMF is going to determine what's "reliable" in Argentina? Let it be known, Fernandez said, that our "economic policy decisions are made here in the Casa Rosada [Presidential Palace] and in the national Congress, here within {our} national institutions"--not in private consultancies or dictated by foreign financial agencies. In the 1980s and 1990s, the President recalled, Argentina's Congress bent over backwards to implement foreign dictates, "and the world still came crashing down; Argentina still came crashing down on us. So, with some mistakes, with some successes, we've learned that we, the Argentines, will determine our present, and above all, our and our children's future." the Fernandez was in Mendoza to inaugurate the expansion of
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>>> electricity grid, and in doing so, recalled that her late husband >>> >>> President Nestor Kirchner loved building infrastructure "because >>> >>> he maintained that this was progress." When you bring energy and >>> >>> electricity to regions that didn't have it, "you bring equality, >>> >>> sovereignty and federalism to places that had been ignored >>> >>> historically," the President emphasized. She recalled Nestor's >>> >>> first speech to the UN General Assembly in which he said that >>> >>> Argentina must be allowed to grow, because he didn't know of any >>> >>> dead people who could pay their debts. That, Fernandez said, "was >>> >>> a visionary metaphor for what's happening in the world today." >>> >>> The Argentine President underscored that everything she >>> and >>> >>> her husband have done has been aimed at "liberating" the >>> >>> Argentine people, but more particularly youth, leaving them "a >>> >>> better country...liberating them from misery, from failure, from >>> >>> frustration and from poverty....We are rebuilding that Argentina >>> >>> which had been wrenched from us and which we have recovered, not >>> >>> for ourselves, but for our young people, for our children and >>> >>> grandchildren, so they don't have to live through what we have >>> >>> had to live through."[crr] >>> >>> ->>> Diane Sare >>> cell: 201-220-7731 >> >> > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
todo bien, otro On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:46 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: sisi, perdoname. te estaba cargando... abrazos nico On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > obvio no soy ni cerca de ser pinguino chabon. Lo digo por esta instancia. En > toda la historia de la presidencia de Kristina coincido con vos y no ha sido > tan anti-neo liberal como dice K aveces. Tambien no hay duda que le roban la > guita al pueblo. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Marina. I was involved in a popular social movement in buenos aires >> for two years. It would be fun to talk to you sometime! Will you be >> around most of thursday? >> >> Nico >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > On Argentina. >> > >> > I wrote/edited a book, after living in Argentina post crisis, >> > interviewing people in the various movements, called: Horizontalism: >> > Voices of Popular Power in Argentina (AK Press 2006). It is based in >> > people's testimonies of their experiences of horizontalidad, autonomy, >> > autogestion (self management) and popular power. Lots of lessons for >> > us here - as well as inspiration. >> > >> > I will be sharing some thoughts on the Argentine experience on >> > Thursday at 11am in the Plaza. >> > >> > Feel free to let whoever is interested know. >> > >> > In Solidarity, >> > Marina >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Lucas Vazquez >> > <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Aguante Kristina!
>> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:51 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Argentine President Slams IMF Murderous "Idiocy and Stubborness" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sept. 27 (LPAC)--Speaking in Mendoza province Sept. 26, Argentine >> >>> >> >>> President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner scathingly attacked the >> >>> >> >>> insanity of the IMF's austerity policies, now being forced on >> >>> >> >>> Europe, as well as the arrogance of IMF Managing Director >> >>> >> >>> Christine Lagarde, who announced last week that the Fund would >> >>> >> >>> not use data from INDEC, Argentina's official statistical agency, >> >>> >> >>> to assess the country's GDP and inflation rate, because the data >> >>> >> >>> was too "unreliable." Instead, Lagarde said, the Fund would get >> >>> >> >>> better data from "private consultants." >> >>> >> >>> Not only did the IMF cause Argentina's 2001 crisis and >> >>> >> >>> default, Fernandez charged. Today, "in the midst of the most >> >>> >> >>> calamitous failure in recent memory...those directly responsible >> >>> >> >>> for Argentina's 2001 failure, and today's in Europe and the >> >>> >> >>> United States, are still trying to force the world to swallow the >> >>> >> >>> same medicine they gave us for a decade in order to ruin us! Such >> >>> >> >>> idiocy, such stubborness is inconceivable. How can they say that >> >>> >> >>> an economy will be reactivated and grow through austerity? This >> >>> >> >>> makes no sense!" >> >>> >> >>> So the IMF is going to determine what's "reliable" in >> >>> >> >>> Argentina? Let it be known, Fernandez said, that our "economic >> >>> >> >>> policy decisions are made here in the Casa Rosada [Presidential >> >>> >> >>> Palace] and in the national Congress, here within {our} national >> >>> >> >>> institutions"--not in private consultancies or dictated by
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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foreign financial agencies. In the 1980s and 1990s, the President recalled, Argentina's Congress bent over backwards to implement foreign dictates, "and the world still came crashing down; Argentina still came crashing down on us. So, with some mistakes, with some successes, we've learned that we, the Argentines, will determine our present, and above all, our and our children's future." the Fernandez was in Mendoza to inaugurate the expansion of
electricity grid, and in doing so, recalled that her late husband President Nestor Kirchner loved building infrastructure "because he maintained that this was progress." When you bring energy and electricity to regions that didn't have it, "you bring equality, sovereignty and federalism to places that had been ignored historically," the President emphasized. She recalled Nestor's first speech to the UN General Assembly in which he said that Argentina must be allowed to grow, because he didn't know of any dead people who could pay their debts. That, Fernandez said, "was a visionary metaphor for what's happening in the world today." and The Argentine President underscored that everything she
her husband have done has been aimed at "liberating" the Argentine people, but more particularly youth, leaving them "a better country...liberating them from misery, from failure, from frustration and from poverty....We are rebuilding that Argentina which had been wrenched from us and which we have recovered, not for ourselves, but for our young people, for our children and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
>>> grandchildren, so they don't have to live through what we have >>> >>> had to live through."[crr] >>> >>> ->>> Diane Sare >>> cell: 201-220-7731 >> >> > > > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
Aguante Kristina! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:51 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote:
Argentine President Slams IMF Murderous "Idiocy and Stubborness"
Sept. 27 (LPAC)--Speaking in Mendoza province Sept. 26, Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner scathingly attacked the insanity of the IMF's austerity policies, now being forced on Europe, as well as the arrogance of IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde, who announced last week that the Fund would not use data from INDEC, Argentina's official statistical agency, to assess the country's GDP and inflation rate, because the data was too "unreliable." Instead, Lagarde said, the Fund would get better data from "private consultants." Not only did the IMF cause Argentina's 2001 crisis and default, Fernandez charged. Today, "in the midst of the most calamitous failure in recent memory...those directly responsible for Argentina's 2001 failure, and today's in Europe and the United States, are still trying to force the world to swallow the same medicine they gave us for a decade in order to ruin us! Such idiocy, such stubborness is inconceivable. How can they say that an economy will be reactivated and grow through austerity? This makes no sense!" So the IMF is going to determine what's "reliable" in Argentina? Let it be known, Fernandez said, that our "economic policy decisions are made here in the Casa Rosada [Presidential Palace] and in the national Congress, here within {our} national
institutions"--not in private consultancies or dictated by foreign financial agencies. In the 1980s and 1990s, the President recalled, Argentina's Congress bent over backwards to implement foreign dictates, "and the world still came crashing down; Argentina still came crashing down on us. So, with some mistakes, with some successes, we've learned that we, the Argentines, will determine our present, and above all, our and our children's future." Fernandez was in Mendoza to inaugurate the expansion of the electricity grid, and in doing so, recalled that her late husband President Nestor Kirchner loved building infrastructure "because he maintained that this was progress." When you bring energy and electricity to regions that didn't have it, "you bring equality, sovereignty and federalism to places that had been ignored historically," the President emphasized. She recalled Nestor's first speech to the UN General Assembly in which he said that Argentina must be allowed to grow, because he didn't know of any dead people who could pay their debts. That, Fernandez said, "was a visionary metaphor for what's happening in the world today." The Argentine President underscored that everything she and her husband have done has been aimed at "liberating" the Argentine people, but more particularly youth, leaving them "a better country...liberating them from misery, from failure, from frustration and from poverty....We are rebuilding that Argentina which had been wrenched from us and which we have recovered, not for ourselves, but for our young people, for our children and grandchildren, so they don't have to live through what we have had to live through."[crr]
-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Attention arts committee Fwd: Peace Music Band Inquiry: we need help in what to do and where to go to play and keep this demonstration strong for the people by performing electrically not matter how far we have to carry our e Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:15:40 AM
Okay, just talked to him, he said that they would be coming in the later afternoon on Saturday prepared to both play electrically and without, so that it won't be an issue if OWS does not get a permit. Hooray!
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Peace Band Date: Monday, September 26, 2011 Subject: Peace Music Band Inquiry: we need help in what to do and where to go to play and keep this demonstration strong for the people by performing electrically not matter how far we have to carry our equiptment. To: "progressivechange@gmail.com" <progressivechange@gmail.com> Hi, we are a three month old touring band coming to NYC to play electrically for the masses as our songs are written about the current labored society and the need for an end to war to stop our economical and financial struggles. We are looking for help of where to go to set up and the best way to get there. You must be receiving many emails but we hope to hear back from you while we are preparing to come to NYC. My direct number is 14139238719. Direct link: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Peace/272458752772367? sk=app_131686150237656 Sent from my iPhone
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Attention arts committee Fwd: Peace Music Band Inquiry: we need help in what to do and where to go to play and keep this demonstration strong for the people by performing electrically not matter how far we have to carry our e Monday, September 26, 2011 10:43:16 PM
I can call them first thing in the morning-- I will eat this one! night On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Peace Band Date: Monday, September 26, 2011 Subject: Peace Music Band Inquiry: we need help in what to do and where to go to play and keep this demonstration strong for the people by performing electrically not matter how far we have to carry our equiptment. To: "progressivechange@gmail.com" <progressivechange@gmail.com> Hi, we are a three month old touring band coming to NYC to play electrically for the masses as our songs are written about the current labored society and the need for an end to war to stop our economical and financial struggles. We are looking for help of where to go to set up and the best way to get there. You must be receiving many emails but we hope to hear back from you while we are preparing to come to NYC. My direct number is 14139238719. Direct link: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Peace/272458752772367? sk=app_131686150237656 Sent from my iPhone
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Audio feedback to Live Feed Crew Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:28:47 PM
The wind is getting worse. Try putting a sock over the mic or something.
On 09/27/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I'm getting a nice feed, but the low end from the wind is as loud as the GA. If you have a wind screen or could filter out the low end it would be easier to hear the meeting. Thanks for everything.
On 09/27/11, Matthew Presto<matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: That's fantastic news about SEIU, although WorldNetDaily told me that they (and ACORN and Obama) were behind this whole occupation in the first place. I don't know who to believe... http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334433
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:47 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We are! but just so you know: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: GENIAL AMIGOS! Wonderful job everyone, we are making history here! On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Yay! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: GREAT!!! This would be a major development and would strengthen OWS in all kinds of ways.
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: YEA!!! On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > AWESOME!!!!!!! > > March from Liberty to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Straight through the > upper east side. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Good morning everybody. >> >> 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to >> support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to >> help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of >> right now. >> >> Onward! >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bad news argh Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:58:18 PM
From the article: "It's also worth noting that a short sale can be an alternative to foreclosure, and that some large banks are taking illegal cash payments from short sales. Exactly the sort of behavior that would make you want to knee in the street in protest."
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Yeah I saw this -- if it's true it's unfortunate Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: http://mobile.gothamist.com/2011/09/27/video_dramatic_protester_who_claime.php
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bad news argh Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:31:07 PM
Yeah I saw this -- if it's true it's unfortunate Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: http://mobile.gothamist.com/2011/09/27/video_dramatic_protester_who_claime.php
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bad news argh Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:00:24 PM
Also, I imagine that if my mom was having her house foreclosed, she would deny it to the media as well. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
From the article: "It's also worth noting that a short sale can be an alternative to foreclosure, and that some large banks are taking illegal cash payments from short sales. Exactly the sort of behavior that would make you want to knee in the street in protest."
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Yeah I saw this -- if it's true it's unfortunate Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: http://mobile.gothamist.com/2011/09/27/video_dramatic_protester_who_claime.php
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 10:18:06 PM
Definately! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will be great with it. Marina On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, > Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. > > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead > a multi-denominational service this sunday? > > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. > > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:13:14 PM
In fact, we need to do more outreach to the African-American community (and other people of color); this could be a good start.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jackie DiSalvo Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:33 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday
Yes! It could be wonderful. Is someone following up on this? Outreach? I havent heard anything about it at Liberty Plaza.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J Wedes Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:04 PM To: september17 Subject: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday
Hey all, Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, Oct 2, 10am. Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This includes both congregants and a group of ministers. How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead a multidenominational service this sunday? If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 10:23:54 PM
Yes, let's do it! On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Lucas Vazquez wrote: Definately! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will be great with it. Marina On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, > Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. > > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead > a multi-denominational service this sunday? > > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. > > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 10:49:35 PM
okay great-- if this is going to happen, "multi-denominational" or not, we should be able to have apples and honey on the food table for Rosh Hosanna Thursday and through the weekend. just sayin-- it is NYC... it is a a need of our community On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Yes, let's do it! On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Lucas Vazquez wrote: Definately! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will be great with it. Marina On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, > Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. > > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead > a multi-denominational service this sunday? > > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach.
> > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 10:53:56 PM
"All faiths and none." <3 --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:36:01 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday okay great-- if this is going to happen, "multi-denominational" or not, we should be able to have apples and honey on the food table for Rosh Hosanna Thursday and through the weekend. just sayin-- it is NYC... it is a a need of our community On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Yes, let's do it! On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Lucas Vazquez wrote: Definately! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will be great with it. Marina On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday,
> Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. > > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead > a multi-denominational service this sunday? > > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. > > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 10:56:41 PM
@grimwomyn, I am working (separately) with a prominent leader from the Jewish community to have a Peace Prayer Service this friday for Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year) and - yes - there will be apples and honey! -j On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:52 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: "All faiths and none." <3 --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:36:01 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday okay great-- if this is going to happen, "multi-denominational" or not, we should be able to have apples and honey on the food table for Rosh Hosanna Thursday and through the weekend. just sayin-- it is NYC... it is a a need of our community On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Yes, let's do it! On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Lucas Vazquez wrote: Definately! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will be great with it. Marina On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, >
> Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, > Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. > > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead > a multi-denominational service this sunday? > > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. > > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 11:12:41 PM
awesome-- gracias--as yr atheist friend and comrade :) On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:56 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: @grimwomyn, I am working (separately) with a prominent leader from the Jewish community to have a Peace Prayer Service this friday for Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year) and - yes - there will be apples and honey! -j On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:52 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: "All faiths and none." <3 --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:36:01 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday okay great-- if this is going to happen, "multi-denominational" or not, we should be able to have apples and honey on the food table for Rosh Hosanna Thursday and through the weekend. just sayin-- it is NYC... it is a a need of our community On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Yes, let's do it! On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Lucas Vazquez wrote: Definately! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will be great with it. Marina
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bedstuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, > Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. > > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead > a multi-denominational service this sunday? > > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. > > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 11:44:53 PM
110% in the affirmative! On Monday, September 26, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > awesome-- gracias--as yr atheist friend and comrade :) > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:56 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> @grimwomyn, I am working (separately) with a prominent leader from the Jewish community to have a Peace Prayer Service this friday for Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year) and - yes - there will be apples and honey! >> >> -j >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:52 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> "All faiths and none." <3 >>> >>> --glj >>> >>> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com >>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:36:01 -0400 >>> To: <september17@googlegroups.com> >>> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday >>> okay great-- if this is going to happen, "multi-denominational" or not, we should be able to have apples and honey on the food table for Rosh Hosanna Thursday and through the weekend. >>> >>> just sayin-- it is NYC... it is a a need of our community >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, let's do it! >>>> On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Lucas Vazquez wrote: >>>> >>>> Definately! >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee >>>>> tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will >>>>> be great with it.
>>>>> Marina >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Hey all, >>>>> > >>>>> > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists >>>>> > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General >>>>> > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in >>>>> > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, >>>>> > Oct 2, 10am. >>>>> > >>>>> > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This >>>>> > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. >>>>> > >>>>> > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead >>>>> > a multi-denominational service this sunday? >>>>> > >>>>> > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I >>>>> > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. >>>>> > >>>>> > -justin >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ->>>>> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:45:23 PM
I need finance to confirm that this money ($200) can be allocated. Do I need to present this to outreach committee or ga? Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:13 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: In fact, we need to do more outreach to the African-American community (and other people of color); this could be a good start.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jackie DiSalvo Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:33 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday
Hey all, Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, Oct 2, 10am. Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This includes
both congregants and a group of ministers. How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead a multi-denominational service this sunday? If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Monday, September 26, 2011 10:11:56 PM
Absolutely! Though this should go through the finance committee tomorrow or tonight and then before a GA. Right? I am sure folks will be great with it. Marina On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, > Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers. > > How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead > a multi-denominational service this sunday? > > If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I > will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. > > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:33:35 PM
Hey all, Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, Oct 2, 10am. Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This includes both congregants and a group of ministers. How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead a multidenominational service this sunday? If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Buses and suspected protesters might be getting turned back Monday, September 26, 2011 9:32:12 AM
Please, don't try to park buses in the city. Park in Harrison (or Jersey City, or Hoboken, or Newark) and then take the PATH in ($2.00 a ride, cheaper if you buy a SmartLink card and purchase rides in bulk) to the World Trade Center stop that is two blocks north of Liberty Park. You'll get less scrutiny, and it will probably be less expensive and less of a logistical nightmare. --glj On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > I know some groups have been stuck trying to enter NYC. > > We need to find and organize a way to get them through. Anyone have > ideas?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:34:02 PM
Their pledge:
"I pledge that if any U.S. troops, contractors, or mercenaries remain in Afghanistan on Thursday, October 6, 2011, as that occupation goes into its 11th year, I will commit to being in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., with others on that day or the days immediately following, for as long as I can, with the intention of making it our Tahrir Square, Cairo, our Madison, Wisconsin, where we will NONVIOLENTLY resist the corporate machine by occupying Freedom Plaza to demand that America's resources be invested in human needs and environmental protection instead of war and exploitation. We can do this together. We will be the beginning."
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: LOVE !!!!!! And it ties together into a larger movement! LOVE!!!!! YES!!!!!! together we are stronger!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Is there some reason we don't just adopt the October2011 platform? Is there any substantive difference? Human Needs Not Corporate Greed - one extra word. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they exert on gov't, yes? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted?? It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..but it doesn't solve anything. Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer
and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote: The demand needs to be four words or less. Example: mubarak out On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: > I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. > Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow > manifesto > "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..." > well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out > and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and > logical. > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one >> demand I still like >> >> Get corporate money out of politics >> >> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a >> real democracy. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Joshua van Praag >>> jvanpraag@me.com >>> >>> +1.347.445.8315 >>> +44.(0)7787.896952 >>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is >>> served >>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > um my spell check does not work >>> > >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry! >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson <<jesse.myerson@gmail.com> >>> jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: >>> > >>> >> What on earth does that mean? >>> >> >>> >> JAM >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < <play.reality@gmail.com> >>> play.reality@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty" >>> >>> then move to the next? >>> >>> ->>> >>> -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ->>> >> J.A. Myerson >>> >> <http://www.jamyerson.com>http://www.jamyerson.com >>> >> 347.688.0241 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > ->>> > -Ms. Wind >>> >>> >> > > > -> -Ms. Wind
--Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand? Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:19:36 PM
One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a million possibilities of change. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market. Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run. Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with: - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now. - Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and

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Solid Ground at Occupy Wall Street

#OCCUPYWALLSTREET THE MARCH TO UNION SQUARE from Rhodes Pictures on Vimeo.

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Love it! I hope no one disapproves of my putting it online: http://nycga.cc/2011/09/26/day-10/

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>> Subject: fundraising >> >> Justin,