The Jinn, the Quran and the confusion of Anthony Wales.

The Jinn, The Quran and the Confusion of Anthony Wales. This paper is a Muslim Response to The Jinn and the Challenge of the Quran, authored by Anthony Wales. You might read the anti Islamic article first. It would help you grasp my refutation, however, in any case, I have tried to make my response independent. Paper begins from here: Anthony Wales, another Christian Polemic, stumbled on Surah 17, Ayah 88: If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

He fumbled to object: 1. The Quranic argument about the jinn and human beings working together may actually be an unverifiable challenge. I say this because it is highly unlikely that jinn and humans will ever work together on such a project. Therefore, there is no reason to believe Islam. The Objections 2. Another issue with this Islamic argument is the existence of jinn. Do the beings that Islam calls jinn actually exist? Muslims cannot argue that Islam mentions jinn so they must exist. The current debate is whether or not we should believe what Islam tells us. Therefore, Muslims must produce some reasons for the existence of jinn that do not depend on the truth of Islam. In so many words, the Christian apologist has asked Muslims to establish the existence of Jinns from sources other than Islam(may be Science). Inshallah, I will deal with both these objections below. Furthermore, the Christian apologist presented a very witty argument of a cross in the centre of the Sun. By providing this argument he tried to establish that because cross in the Sun is a very weak and unverifiable argument so is Jinns and Humans working together, thus the Quranic argument can not be believed in and consequently the Quran is not the word of God. But I promise him and my readers that firstly I would defend the Quranic argument of Jinns and Humans working together (inshallah) to produce the likeness of Quran and then I would show him that there is a bigger preposterous and unverifiable argument in the Bible than a cross in the Sun. I promise you that, Inshallah. I found it to be in-congenial and impertinent to call my response as a Refutation, given the childish nature of the allegations, from our younger cousin(s). Thus, I call it an explanation than a refutation.

The Explanation Sources of Objections: The above objections are engendered when one does not pay respect:(a) To the context and the totality of the Scripture and/or (b) when one lives by Seeing is Believing (c) And/or when one reads Scripture prejudicially, that is, overlooking his own Book of Books. (This will be dealt in Turning Tables Over section of this paper). In my response, kindly find the aforementioned Sources of Objections unfolded. It is always advisable to put forth as many explanations as possible. I found many for our Mr. Anthony Wales. Let him (also) then choose his flavor. (Do not miss out to read Deuteronomy Dissection at http://donotsaytrinity.blog.co.in/2008/10/18/deuteronomy-dissection/ where I gave David Wood (another younger cousin) similar choices.) In this approach I will concord with Anthony Wales to pre-assume that Jinns and Humans WILL NEVER work together to produce the likeness of Quran. This response will also take into account the first point under Sources of Objections, namely, WHEN ONE DOES NOT PAYS RESPECT TO THE CONTEXT AND TOTALITY OF SCRIPTURE: A) Concordant Approach If one reads the context of Quran 17:88, that is, verses 85 through 89 then he will realize that the pagan cynics were hell bent to demand miracles from Mohammad, peace be upon him. For them the miraculous Quran was not enough to satiate their whimsical mischievous minds. In verse 85, they demanded (explanation) concerning the Spirit. However, this information was absolutely irrelevant for their spiritual euphoria. But still, the needful portion of information was conveyed to them with absolute information still with Allah alone. BUT NO, the infidel would insist in their whimsical demands as a proof for the veracity of Quran. So, Allah reproaches them in verse 86, that if He takes away revelations from them, then, they would have none to reveal to them a likeness to that of Quran. THEN, Allah further fortifies His claim that If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support(verse 88). Thereby, it is easily deducible from the context that the crunch verses 88 was an absolute rhetoric pre-emption to Allahs claim that none will be able to produce Quran but Him alone(verse 86). To put simply, the narration goes something like: If I (Allah) take away revelations from you then you will have none to help you to retrieve/ make Quran, even if you collude with Jinns.(your mistaken gods) So, it was dire and ultimate statement from Allah that they will not be able to produce Quran if it is bereaved off them.

But if Anthony Wales clings to the notion of humans and Jinns working together disregarding context of Quran 17:88. Then he must at least care to those verses which he himself considers as related to Quran 17:88. He helped me to find those related verse at Quran 2:23 and 11:13. Let us analyze them in the Light of Quran 17:88 and try to connect them with each other for better grasp of the scripture.

Being more generous with Christians Quran 2:23, reads: And if ye are in doubt As to what we have reveled from time to time to our servant then produce a Sura (roughly Quranic Chapters) like there on to; And call your witness or helpers(if there are any) besides Allah, if ye are truthful. We should pause here to think whom did pagans took(blasphemously) as their witnesses and helpers? They were Jinns, because the polytheists worshipped Jinns as their deity beside Allah(God Forbid): Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah though Allah did create the Jinns; Quran 6:100. So, we have two main pagan deviations (from the straight path). Firstly, Pagans disbelief in Quran and secondly, deification of Jinns (Q6:100). Thus consequently and finally Allah chastises both these pagan deviations in one verse, namely, Q 17:88. That is, pagans will not be able to produce a likeness of Quran EVEN IF they colluded with their so called gods The Jinns. We can only marvel Allahs argument and how He tackled with TWO heathen deviations in ONE verse. Allah had to deal with their cynicism for Quran and their deification of Jinns. He reproached both these by stating that even if your (impotent) gods(Jinns) help you (this explain that Jinns cannot be Allah), still you would not be able to produce a likeness of Quran (this explaining Quran must be believed in because it is inimitable).

Let the Quran Scholar fuss for the third time so that I may get an opportunity to explain the matter yet again. If Anthony would have at all thought for a while on the related verses to Quran 17:88 then he would not have written his paper, because, now I will expound semantics and grammatical construction of related verses and the crunch verse 17:88. Kindly pay assiduous attention to the subtle yet stupendous nuances herein.

Semantics Gymnastics In the related verses Allah has literally and unequivocally challenged doubters to produce Suras: And if ye are in doubt As to what we have reveled from time to time to our servant then produce a Sura (roughly Quranic Chapters) like there on to; And call your witness or helpers(if there are any) besides Allah, if ye are truthful. (Have you noted the downright demand of Surahs from Pagans?). (The Holy Quran, 2:23) (emphasis added) Furthermore, there can not be more clear cut demand of surahs than: Or they may say, He forged it. Say,HOWEVER, starkly, the entire grammatical construction of Quran 17:88 is totally different. Unlike Quran 2:23 and 11:13 where there was a Bring ye then ten Suras forged, like unto it, and call (To your aid) whomsoever Ye can, other than Allah!- If ye speak he truth! (The Holy Quran, 11:13) (emphasis added) definite dem and (and therefore a challenge), however, we find a definite assertion in Quran 17:88: They would not produce the like there of Thus, Quran 17:88 is no challenge. In fact, it falls in the genre of those assertive verses which undoubtedly prove the grandeur of Allah Almighty, such as: Say: If the ocean were Ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid. (The Holy Quran 18:109) (emphasis added) Could I humbly ask Mr. Quran Scholar whether he would consider above adduced verse (18:109) as a Quranic Challenge!! I do not expect to hear a YES from him.

There is absolutely no need for me to write this section lest I might sound like a lawyer. But if there are die hard supercilious cynics strutting Gods good earth then let me be so. B) 5th Explanation

The pith of Anthonys objection to Quran 17:88, in his own words, is:

The Quranic argument about the jinn and human beings working together may actually be an unverifiable challenge. I say this because it is highly unlikely that jinn and humans will ever work together on such a project. If observed meticulously, the usage of words by our prudent polemist is, surely, UNCENTAIN. Even Anthony Wales cannot establish , , of surety, that Jinns and Humans will or can not work together and thus he rightly and very judiciously used the words like, MAY ACTUALLY and again HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Else, provide me an established fact that humans and Jinns can not and will not work together. You should not expect Muslims to turn apostate Christolators after reading your uncertain and HIGHLY equivocal sentences. This is not good evangelism Wales. After FIVE satisfactory explanations it is now time to Turn the Tables Over. This part will certainly, ignominiously, elicit the Christian Apologists shallow hold of his own scripture Bible(?) Turning Tables Over

We read: But even if we, or an Angel from heaven preach any other Gospel to you that we have preached to you, let him be accursed. (The Open Bible, Gal 1:8, NKJV)(emphasis added) But even if we, or an Angel from heaven preach any other Gospel to you that we have preached to you, let him be accursed. (Holy Bible, Gal 1:8, TEV)(emphasis added) It needs no elucidation that Paul based the divine authenticity of his branded Gospel on so preposterous an argument that only Christians can believe namely, Angels of heaven, firstly preaching to humans and secondly teaching a condemnable Gospel. The way Anthony Wales reasoned his arguments on Quran 17:88; I would use the same reasoning on Gal 1:8 to ask TWO Questions:Will Angels ever preach Gospel to Humans? , if yes, then support your argument that Angels will preach to humans. On the other hand, if Angels will not preach to humans then why did Paul ground his argument on non-existence, non-materialising and unverifiable argument. 1) First Question:

I heartily commend Anthony Wales for a few truthful statements he made in his paper which I will recoil on him by substituting Muslims to Christians; Quran to Bible and the main argument of Jinns to Angels, he said:

Arguments for the truth of a religion should be supported with good reasons or evidence The muslim(CHRISTIAN) argument in question is clearly one of the principal arguments, if not the principal argument, for the divine origin of the Quran(BIBLE). Therefore, it is reasonable to expect muslims(CHRISTIANS) to present good reasons to support it(so support your argument that angels will preach to humans). A lack of supporting evidence would be a serious weakness, and give people good ground for not being persuaded by this argument. He haughtily wrote: Let me recoil his on him once again

The Quranic argument about the jinn and human beings working together may actually be an unverifiable challenge. I say this because it is highly unlikely that jinn and humans will ever work together on such a project. Therefore, there is no reason to believe Islam Recoiling The Biblical argument about Angels preaching to humans and/ or preaching false may actually be an unverifiable challenge. I say this because it is highly unlikely that Angels will ever preach to Humans and/or preach counterfeit Gospel. Therefore, there is no reason to believe Christianity. The argument for the authenticity of Pauls branded Gospel can not be verified (i.e. Angels descending down to preach to humans and / or preaching something condemnable). Presenting and unverifiable argument also raises questions about the intelligence and confidence of a religion and its founder, i.e. PAUL. Would not an intelligent person who was confident about the truth of their message put forward a good argument that people can actually test? 2) Second Question: Is it possible that Angels will preach a condemnable Gospel? If the answer is NO then why did Paul base the authenticity of his branded Gospel on a false argument? And if the answer is in the positive, then, can Christians prove that indeed, even Angels can preach condemnable Gospel. Because it would be blind belief in Pauline argument to doubt the integrity of Angels (i.e, Angels will preach a false Gospel) because: (i) Angels are protectors (you will soon read me destroying divinity of Christ, inshallah) of God: a) God will give orders to his angels about you (Holy Bible, Matt 4:6, TEV) b) God will put his angels in charge of you (Holy Bible, Ps 91:11 TEV) (ii) Angels will be companins of Jesus:

When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels, with him, he will sit on his royal throne (Holy Bible, Matt 25:31, TEV). WILL CHRISTIANS DOUBT THE COURTIERS OF THEIR GOD? (iii) Angels were helpers of God: Dont you know that I could call on my Father for help, and at once he would send me more than twelve armies of Angel? (Holy Bible, Matt 26:53, TEV) (iv) Angels are portrayed, in Bible, as ultimate symbol of righteousness: Well, no wonder! Even Satan can disguise himself to look like an angel of light (Holy Bible, 2 Cor 11:14. TEV) (v) MOST IMPORTANTLY, Angels are obedient servants, as we read: Praise the LORD, you strong and mighty ANGELS, who obey his commands, who listen to what he says. (Holy Bible, Ps 103:20) Thus, based on above Biblical citations it is highly unjustified that we circumspect integrity of poor angels to preach condemnable Gospel. That being the case, Why did Paul, then, base his argument on something (at least) far-fetched, if not, downright false? Did not Paul evince his dominance even ( you would soon read me proving Paul BOSSING over our beloved prophet Jesus, peace be upon him.) over Angels? That is to say: Angels can err and sin in preaching a false Gospel BUT I, Paul, cannot. What an overbearing and bossy statement from the mouth of Paul!! Can we then believe in such an over-weaning apostle? Should not apostles and prophets be more humble?

It seems that the evangandists are trained to ask questions while making caustic statements, Anthony Wales, did not flinch to apply his training. Their questions our responses

He commented: I am yet to see any evidence to support the Islamic argument that jinn and human beings working together cannot produce anything like the Quran. I have not seen Muslims present any combined attempts by jinn and humans, and explain why these attempts are not like the Quran My response:I am yet to see any evidence to support the Christian argument that Angels will

preach to human beings and/or preach a false Gospel. I have not seen Christians present any attempts by Angels to preach humans and/or preach false Gospel. He Questioned: Another issue with this Islamic argument is the existence of jinn. Do the beings that Islam calls jinn actually exist? Muslims cannot argue that Islam mentions jinn so they must exist. The current debate is whether or not we should believe what Islam tells us. Therefore, Muslims must produce some reasons for the existence of jinn that do not depend on the truth of Islam. If no reasons are produced, there are further grounds for not being persuaded by the Quranic challenge My response: Another issue with this Christian argument is the existence of jinn. Do the beings that Christians calls Angels actually exist? Christians cannot argue that Christianity mentions Angels so they must exist. The current debate is whether or not we should believe what Christianity tells us. Therefore, Christians must produce some reasons for the existence of Angels that do not depend on the truth of Christianity. If no reasons are produced, there are further grounds for not being persuaded by the Pauline Challenge. He gnashed: In other words, there is no evidence supporting the principal Muslim argument for the divine origin of the Quran. This means there is no reason to believe that the Quran is the word of God, and no reason to become a Muslim. Fitting retort: In other words, there is no evidence supporting the Christian argument for the divine origin of the Bible. This means there is no reason to believe that the Bible is the word of God, and no reason to become a Christian. To sum up, I would like to draw Anthony Wales and others cynics towards The Holy Quran 2:121: In the end Those to whom We have given The Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein: Those who reject faith therein, The loss is their own. Note:- Through this paper I diligently entreat Allah emancipate the condition of millions of my brothers and sisters all across the world and especially in war torn areas like, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine etc.