Join your Norms & Nobility friends as they discuss part 3 of chapter 5! The crew explores the idea that mathematics bridges the gap between ancients' focus on the ideal types and the moderns' focus on the utility of harnessing nature for man's own ends. The ancients found that math could explain the immanent forms of matter (the "perfect forms" undergirding reality), and that helped them make peace with their observations of the "irrational" concrete universe. 20% off Norms & Nobility at www.classicalconversationsbooks.com through May 31 when listeners use NORMSPOD20 at checkout.