On The Gist, Beto O’Rourke has the momentum but also a mountain to climb. In the interview, Neal Katyal has argued 37 cases before the Supreme Court, and (better yet!) joined Mike Pesca on stage at Slate Day in Austin, Texas. Our condensed version of the interview covers the implications of a confirmed Brett Kavanaugh, why Robert Mueller “will have the last laugh” when it comes to taking on Trump, and what the indictment of a sitting U.S. president would look like. In the Spiel, what mothers of sons have to say about Kavanaugh.This episode is brought to you by the following advertisers: Bombas, the most comfortable socks in the history of feet. For 20% off your first order, go to bombas.com/gist and use code gist.