In this week's podcast, Public Lands Council President and fourth-generation Utah rancher Dave Eliason and third-generation Montana rancher John Helle discuss their testimony before the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on Interior, Energy, and the Environment. At a hearing about grazing on public lands, Eliason and Helle testified about their experiences with how radical political groups have "weaponized" many environmental laws.