Rob and Jason are joined by Gabriel Dos Reis from Microsoft. They first discuss the recent articles about Microsoft switching from C++ to Rust and let Gaby set the record straight. Then Gaby talks about the final state of Modules, how Microsoft is using them internally, and Gaby's plans for the future of Modules and much more. News r/cpp comments on Web Assembly Use Cases Microsoft: Rust is the Industry's 'Best Chance' at Safe Systems Programming Why is std implementation so damn ugly Italian C++ Conference 2020 Videos Links Practical C++20 Modules and the future of tooling around C++ Modules with Cameron DaCamara Peeking Safely at a Table with Concepts with Gabriel Dos Reis CppCon 2019: Gabriel Dos Reis "Programming with C++ Modules: Guide for the Working" CPPP 2019 - C++ Modules: What You Should Know - Gabriel Dos Reis Sponsors Clang Power Tools Use code JetBrainsForCppCast during checkout at JetBrains.com for a 25% discount