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Inteleg ca doi dintre colegii mei ofiteri de politie au fost prezenti la locul dumneavoastra de munca in dimineata aceasta dupa ce [dumneavoastra] ne-ati dat telefon ca sa reclamati un incident care s-ar fi petrecut acolo. V-am invitat aici ca impreuna sa analizam detaliat ceea ce s-a petrecut acolo. Da, intr-adevar colegii dumneavoastra au luat declaratii la momentul respectiv, dar eu eram asa de socata incat abia puteam vorbi cu ei. // Este vorba de un furt, cel putin asa cred. E greu sa fiu sigura, dar a disparut o foaie de examen importanta. O sa va opresc eu daca-mi ingaduiti si o sa va rog sa o luam incet si de la inceput. Cei doi colegi ai mei care se afla aici / cu noi ne vor insoti si vor nota (vor inregistra) ceea ce se spune sub forma unei declaratii ale unui martor. (data de un martor.) Da, desigur. Predau la liceul local RH. Lucrez acolo de 2 ani. Suntem mai degraba o mica scoala particulara, numai 6 profesori in total, plus personalul de catering. / de (la) aprovizionare. Cati elevi aveti (in general / indeobste / de regula)? Sunt / Provin din zonele invecinate? In mod normal avem 40 de elevi la zi. Majoritatea locuiesc pe o raza de o mila in jurul scolii. / la cel mult o mila distanta (fatza) de scoala. / la nu mai mult de... Bun, (deci) inteleg ca (dumneavoastra) sunteti preocupata / pe Dvs. va preocupa / sunteti ingrijorata de / in legatura cu niste evenimente / fapte / incidente care au avut loc in aceasta dimineata, cand ati fost prezenta in scoala / va aflati in incinta scolii. Haideti sa pornim de acolo, va rog. Cum problema este delicata va sfatuiesc / e de datoria mea sa va atrag atentia ca trebuie / e cazul sa procedam intr-un mod precaut / cu mare grija. Bine, fiind sambata eu nu ar fi trebuit sa fiu acolo in mod normal, dar acum ca ne apropiem de examene, trebuie / a trebuit (neaparat) sa fiu de fata. Acum cati alti membri ai personalului erau acolo? / Si cate cadre didactice in afara de Dvs mai erau (la fata locului)? As vrea sa stiu ce avea de facut fiecare. Pai, eram numai noi doua, Ioana Alexandrescu si cu mine. Dumneaei este profesoara asistenta care ma ajuta pe mine din cand in cand. Dupa cum v-am spus [deja], noi aprobam versiunea finala a examenului de romana de anul acesta [faceam ultimele corecturi la...], care a venit de la tiparit / tipar / tipografie / editura. Trimestrul acesta am fost cam zoriti din cauza de lipsa de personal si a trebuit sa ne organizam materialul pentru examen in mare graba. Foarte bine . O sa va rog sa imi spuneti cu exactitate ce s-a intamplat in dimineata aceasta. Amintiti-va ! Retineti ca declaratia dumneavoastra poate fi folosita ca dovada in instanta [de judecata]. [E foarte posibil ... ca] Probabil ca o sa va pun intrebari suplimentare. Eu si cu Ioana Alexandrescu tocmai finalizam o foaie de examen , verificam sa nu fie greseli de tipar. Era intr-un birou de la parter. Cam pe la ora 11 ne-am hotarat sa ne luam cafea. Trebuia sa mergem la celalalt capat al cladirii la 3 sau 4 minute distanta. Nici una dintre noi nu s-a gandit sa incuie usa biroului. Am lasat foaia de examen intr-un plic maro pe biroul meu. Eram singurele persoane din cladire in afara de 2 baieti care se harjoneau pe afara. Erau acolo ca sa isi ia niste echipamente de fotbal din vestiare care sunt in exteriorul cladirii. Va puteti inchipui surpriza mea cand m-am intors si nu am mai gasit plicul unde il lasasem. Am gasit plicul dar era gol si foaia originala de examen nu era de gasit. Chiar atunci i-am vazut pe cei doi baieti trecand prin fata geamului. Ii stiam pe amandoi foarte bine si i-am strigat pe nume, dar ei au continuat sa mearga repede, ceea ce mi s-a parut ciudat. Va multumesc. Ii vom interoga pe acesti baieti la timpul potrivit si vom decide daca sunt suficiente dovezi ca sa ii acuzam / punem sub acuzare. Amandoi au sub 16 ani, da? / nu? /nu-i asa? Da. E clar ca tocmai fotocopiau / xeroxau foaia de examen cand m-au auzit ca ma intorc . Numai ca imi fac griji sa nu scape dupa toate acestea. / / Lucrul care ma ingrijoreaza e ca sar putea sa scape dupa tot ce au facut.

Da inteleg . Asta depinde de mai multe / o serie de dispozitii legale. Mai intai, / Sa vedem ati zis la inceput ca... acesti elevi au (dat / produs) o explicatie plauzibila pentru faptul ca se aflau in incinta scolii in dimineata aceea?Sunteti sigura de acest lucru? Cred ca da / Asa cred / Eu asa presupun. Ioana Alexandrescu mi-a spus ceva cum ca si-ar lua / trebuia sa-si ia niste echipamente de fotbal, dar cand am vorbit cu ei nu duceau nimic in mana. Baietii acestia se numara / gasesc printre elevii care... care vor sustine examenul a carei foaie (cu subiecte) a fost furata? Daca da, cel putin asa s-ar stabili un motiv infractional in ceea ce ii priveste. .../ / caracterul de intentionalitate al faptei lor / comise. Da. Ambii trebuie sa isi dea chiar examenul acesta. / sa se prezinte tocmai / chiar la acest examen. Acest lucru o sa ne dea de furca foarte mult. Acum trebuie sa rescriem foaia de examen si aceasta / acest lucru presupune timp, efort si bani. Sunt constient de asta, dar dificultatea consta in a o dovedi. / a dovedi fapta/ e greu sa dovedesti faptele. Trebuie sa procedam in mod precaut / cu mare grija. In drept, procuratura are datoria de a dovedi vinovatia, lucru care nu este totdeauna usor de indeplinit / realizat. Da, inteleg fenomenul / despre ce e vorba. Dar sper ca oamenii dumneavoastra vor putea sa faca presiuni asupra lor cand o sa vorbiti cu ei. Nici asta nu e un lucru usor. Acesti baieti sunt minori sau / cu alte cuvinte copii in fata legii si / deci nu pot fi interogati decat in prezenta unui adult. Legislatia este clara in acest sens. / In privinta asta, legea / legislatia e cat se poate de clara / explicita. Dar presupun ca au lasat niste indicii ale prezentei lor in birou, cum ar fi [niste] amprente... E posibil sa fi lasat. / Se prea poate sa fi lasat. Dar (adevarul e ca) [ei] sunt elevi in aceasta scoala si / prin urmare orice contact cu acest birou poate sa aiba o explicatie in care ei sa apara ca fiind (cu desavarsire) inocenti / nevinovati. (Acum) Incep sa vad problemele, da. / sa-mi dau seama care sunt... Va mai pot ajuta cu ceva? Nu, cred ca asta este totul pe moment. O sa vorbesc cu colegii dumneavoastra mai tarziu si o sa tinem pe toti cei intresati la curent cu privire la cursul anchetei. Va multumesc pentru timpul acordat si buna ziua. / la revedere. Va dau si un exemplu de real life text, pe care il folosesc britanicii pt interpretii din tribunale. Succes! Consecutive interpreting The date is 6 August 2003. The time by my colleague's watch is 9.36 p.m. I am PC Smith, the other officer present is PC HOBBLES. This interview is being tape recorded. I am interviewing could you please state your full name? You have chosen not to use the services of a duty solicitor. ARE YOU HAPPY to proceed with questioning without a solicitor? I don't trust them. I shall presume that means yes. From now on, it would be wise to answer a direct question with a direct answer. Have you established with your interpreter that you can understand each other? yes. The interview is being tape recorded. At the conclusion of the interview I will give you a notice explaining what will happen to the tapes. Before I do so I must remind you that you are under caution, that is you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you fail to mention when questioned something which you you later rely on in court. Anything you say may be given in evidence. Do you understand? Yes You have been brought in for questioning after you were accused of attempting to shoplift from the Asda supermarket on LATIMER ROAD . Why were you in the supermarket at

approximatelly 8.30 p.m. this evening? I was on my way home after a lectureat the Chelsea College , and wanted to buy a new cd. When the security guard stopped you , you also had two pairs of jeans, a gray sweater and a pair of trainers in your bag all of which still have the price tag on them. Did you want to buy these too? I hadn't gone into the shop to buy them but when I saw them I thought they looked allright. Is it a crime to to buy more than you intended? Well indeed not, except it seems strange to me that you should want to buy two identical pairs of jeans, same colour, same size, same style.. I hadn't realised I had picked two. I only meant to pick up one. Oh come it off it. Anyone can see what the're putting in their bag if it is really something they wish to buy. Is this what you call evidence ? I am telling you I didn't realise. Likewise I assume you didn't realise you'd walked past all check-outs and you didn't stop at any? I hadn't seen them. The shop was full of people and I could't tell if they were standing in a queue or just, I don't know just standing there. You don't seem to be a particular stupid person. But on this occasion, you not only nearly purchased two pairs of identical jeans , you also didn't see the twenty or so check-outs. You don't seem to have the same problem when looking for the exit door. Yes but I realized when I reached the door I had make a mistake , and was about to turn around when thesecurity guard stopped me. A likely story. Well you have already made up yuor mind that I am quilty so what's the point in questioning me then? I don't believe the story that you are giving me. As I said earlier, direct answers to direct questions please. You are not doing yourself any favours by lying. I am not lying I wanted to buythe cds so I went into the shop, saw the other stuff and decided to buy that too. If you people have nothing else on me then I think i have a right to go home. When we have finished. There is more evidence that I haven't presented you with yet. LIKE WHAT? Well I can't quite understand how you were ever intending to pay for those goods when you appear to have forgotten your money as well. We asked you to empty your pockets. when you came into the station and you only had a 20 note on you. The total cost of these goods is 100. How do you explain that? Well like I said , I hadn't intended to buy anything more than the cd when I went into the shop. I just forgot I hadn't brought any more money with me. I would have realised this if your security guard hadn't been so quick to judge me. So that's yet another thing that you just forgot.? And don't you think it was just a bit convenient that you are using an old Asda shopping bag to carry your goods in rather than the baskets like everyone else? I didn't pick up a basket at first because all I wanted was the cd. Then when I saw this other stuff the basket pile was at the other side of the shop, and I had this bag in my pocket. It made sense to use it. This is farcical. You honestly expect us to believew that you hadn't intended to pick up two pairs of jeans, you hadn't intended to walk past all of the cash desks and now finally that you were using an old carrier bag because you couldn't be bothered to find a basket? That's right.

Do you think that's going to stand up in court? Are you really that stupid? I have changed my mind. I want to see a solicitor. That's the cleverest thing you have said all day. This interview is terminated in order to contact the duty solicitor. The time is 9.51 p.m. The date is 7 April 2005. The time is 10:28p.m. This interview is being tape recorded and I will give the suspect Notice 987 explaining what will happen to the tape at the conclusion of the interview. I am PC Green and my colleague is PC Williams. I am interviewing could you please state your full name ? You have chosen not to use the services of a duty solicitor. Is that correct? You are fourteen years of age, therefore an appropriate adult is present. What is your relationship with him? What is your relationship with him? He is my uncle. You have been arrested for being in possession of a knife with intent to harm , which you were found to be carrying at London Bridge Station this evening. I must remind you that you are under caution , and as such , you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you fail to mention when questioned, something which you will later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. Do you understand? Yes Can you explain yourself? Why were you carrying such a lethal weapon? I haven't got anything to say to you. You just said that I don't have to. Young man, in your position it would be in your best interest to tell me as much as possible. There is no doubt that you were intending to hurt someone this evening and I know for sure that this is not the first time that you have been arrested for such an offence. The only thing you have connecting me with this is that I had a knife in my pocket. I wasn't going to do anything with it . Then why were you carrying a knife if you had no intention of using it? Well, I know this may sound stupid but my mate had given it to me to look after. He was going to a club in Central London and he knew he would get searched at the door so he asked me to take it home for him . Complete rubbish. This is no joke you know. We received a very serious complaint this evening from a young man who was threatened with a knife as he waited for a train. That wasn't me. I told you why I had the knife on me, I didn't use it at all. The manager of Costa Coffee also saw you arguing with a boy on the station platform and alerted the Transport Police. Don't you think it's an amazing coincidence that you fit the description the manager gave and you had a knife in your pocket. I am telling you I wasn't arguing with anyone. You were stopped outside London Bridge Station. The argument took place at London Bridge Station and the manager had seen a boy like you wearing a blue Nike cap, a green jacket and denim jeans, only minutes shouting at a boy and then running away. The station was nearly empty, there were only a few other passengers all of whom witness the fight, so you 'd better start telling the truth. This kid is making it up. So is the manager. YOU ARE ONLY TRYING TO PUT THIS ON ME BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PUT ME IN JAIL. You think I'M TROUBLE. I used to be, but I haven't done anything wrong lately, I have straightened out now ask my uncle here. Don't worry, we will be speaking to members of your family and your neighbours. You have been arrested nine times in the past year for numerous offences for numerous offences including shoplifting , vandalism, and burglary. If this goes to court you are in serious

danger of having an Anti Social Behaviour order placed on you. Do you know what that means? No. It means that the court will deem you a menace to society. YOU WILL BE GIVEN A WHOLE LIST OF RULES to live by, which will restrict things like the people you can be friends with, the places you can go to and the time you need to be home every evening. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I MAY AS WELL GO TO PRISON. Well you are clearly out of control. You had better tell me the truth about this evening; it will make things a lot better for you in the long run. Did you threaten someone with a knife? No . Well, I suppose I did, but I wasnt going to stab him or anything. I just wanted to scare him a little bit. WHY WOULD YOU DO SUCH A THING? I was waiting for my train home, when I saw this kid I used to be friends with. I remembered he owed me 10 pounds . So I just asked him for it back. You just asked him politely, did you? At first, yeah. But then he started saying all this stuff about how my friends were trouble and he didn't like any of us. He said he couldn't remember borrowing money from me. He was lying. He got so angry and he looked like he was going to punch me. So I took the knife out of my pocket just to scare him a bit. I wasn't going to hurt him with it. I just wanted my money. What happened next? He started yelling saying that I was going to kill him. I got scared and ran away and that's when the police caught me outside the station. I see, so you did threaten him with a knife. This is very serious indeed. In the light of this information you have given me I would strongly suggest you find legal representation. Can I talk to my uncle private? And can I get a solicitor for free? You can get free legal advice, yes, and I think that's a good idea. We will take a break for the time being. This interview is terminated at 10.43 p.m.